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Crisp stood by his locker after the game, smiling, with the remnants of the brawl on his face. He had scratches on his forehead and a red abrasion under his left eye. His nose looked slightly swollen. "The scratches on my face are from people trying to scratch like we’re playing football or something," he said. "Like little girls, trying to scratch out my eyes."

Ever the diplomat, Coco surely has the last word here.  Being called a "little girl" can’t possibly bother a guy like Jonny Gomes, right?  Yeah, this thing is over.  Sure.

The funny thing is that this wasn’t even the most sensational post-game comment of the night.  A few more caught my ear.  To wit:

  • Kevin Youkilis, on Manny Ramirez: "It’s a shanda fur die goy, Manny sitting on the bench while we fight.  That shtunk should have gotten out there in the shmutzik with the rest of us".
  • Manny Ramirez on Kevin Youkilis: "Youk, he complain about everything.  It’s too humid, he too sweaty.  It’s too cold, he too sweaty.  Waah waah waah.  Every time he get back to the dugout it’s like ‘that pitch inside?  No way. that pitch outside?  No way.  Waaah’.   I say, hey Youk, want some queso with that Manischewitz?"
  • Tito Francona: "The fight? No big deal, boys will be boys.  But what the f*ck do I do with this guy Lugo?  Seriously, he’s awful".

44 comments… add one

  • “It’s too humid, he too sweaty. It’s too cold, he too sweaty. ”
    Priceless.

    YF June 6, 2008, 9:53 am
  • I love Manny so much. I hope he plays with us (productively) until he’s 44.
    When I first read the “quotes” above I thought they were legit. I was like “Wow, Youk is really Jewin’ it up!” I’ve seen him wear a Yamaca before, but never heard him use Yiddish. Funny stuff.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 9:58 am
  • How about Shields…
    “I protected my own players and that’s what we need to do around here,” Shields said. “We’ve been getting stomped around the last 10 years and it isn’t going to happen anymore. I had to let them know early and let them know right away.”
    Tampa Bay’s lack of respect around the league has been bothering him since he was 16?

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 10:00 am
  • I don’t know why I feel this way, but I think Shields was totally justified. Coco shouldn’t have gone after Aki (especially after Duncan went after him once already this year), and I would want a Sox pitcher to do the same thing in that situation.
    Throwing a big punch with your pitching arm though? STUPID. You can’t pull that shit off unless you’re Nolan Ryan (God).

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 10:12 am
  • This may have been mentioned before, but the thing that bothers me about all this is Maddon getting upset at Crisp and somehow forgetting how proud he was when one of his players ran over a Yankee catcher IN SPRING TRAINING. Can’t have it both ways, Joe (lots of managers named Joe. Huh.)

    ponch - sf June 6, 2008, 10:29 am
  • Nice to see the Brawlin’ Rays are back. I was worried that, what with their “new name” and their “solid pitching staff” and their “winning ballgames”, they might think they were too good for that anymore. Florida, West Side! Represent!

    FenSheaParkway June 6, 2008, 11:23 am
  • I agree about Msddon. He also complained about Bartlett dropping a knee when Bartlett played for the Twins, but now that he plays for him, it’s apparently OK. Maddon’s double standard is pretty apparent.
    I still think Coco was justified with the hard slide, although he should have waited until it was Bartlett (though he might have not realized it wasn’t until too late). Shields was “retaliating” for an action that was already etaliation for something Crisp correctly called “a little shady.” Shields may have felt like he needed to protect his players, which is fine, but he needs to learn a little Tampa history. This ain’t the first time the Rays have felt the need to show Boston how well respected they should be. And it’s not the first time such actions have wound up hurting Tampa (at least short-term) more than the Sox.

    Paul SF June 6, 2008, 11:25 am
  • Maddon’s double standard is pretty apparent.
    Not to defend Maddon (I don’t like him at all), but most managers come off as having double standards at some point when dealing with situations like this. Joe Torre, who I really like and respect, was famous for this; he’d complain about the behavior of Sox fans at Fenway then give the rooters in the Bronx a free pass for similar behavior (1999 playoffs and 2004 playoffs, for example), he would crap on opposing teams for throwing at his players but defend his own guys. What do you expect, Paul? These guys are there to defend their own players, they aren’t supposed to be historians during post-game Q&A sessions.

    SF June 6, 2008, 11:35 am
  • Heh, I remember getting teed off at Torre for his double standards re: fan behavior. I don’t think Maddon should throw Bartlett under the bus, but screaming at Coco from the mound? Clearly encouraging the events that took place yesterday by doing nothing to defuse them? Maddon privately could have done a lot to avoid yesterday’s drama, even if he publicly defended his player. Of course, maybe he wanted the drama, in the hopes that it would spark his team to do something, anything in Fenway Park this year.

    Paul SF June 6, 2008, 11:47 am
  • Paul- I cant believe that you would think that a hard slide like Coco’s could ever be justified. That kind of slide could take out a guy’s knee or seriously maim him in some other way with long-term implications. If the Sox had an issue with Bartlett, they should have beaned him not slide as hard as possible into one of his teammates. I really dont think that if Pedroia were on the receiving end of the slide you would say that it was justified no matter what happened in the past…
    As far as Shields goes, basically any pitcher in baseball would have done the exact same thing. He can look at history and see that he should bean Coco the first time he came up. If Coco doesnt charge the mound like most other players, it doesnt hurt the Rays at all. His actions will end up hurting the Sox quite alot as Id expect him to have the largest suspension for escalating the affairs.

    sam-YF June 6, 2008, 11:51 am
  • His actions will end up hurting the Sox quite alot as Id expect him to have the largest suspension for escalating the affairs.
    And Crisp should get the biggest suspension of all the primary players. But Jonny Gomes is the biggest psycho in all this. Having watched the replay again, he’s completely out-of-line, swinging crazily on top of the pile despite having no reason to do so. He ought to get a pretty big suspension, if he gets off with a slap on the wrist then MLB is sending a very bad message to players who aim to escalate stupid situations to even dumber levels. He came out of the dugout and jumped on top of a pile, swinging at Crisp’s head, blindside. Nuts.

    SF June 6, 2008, 11:58 am
  • I’m with SF on this, it’s basically part of the job description.
    Some of the best quotes last night came from Tito…
    “Just another boring night at the ballpark.”
    Asked about what happened in the dugout – “Which time, with who?”
    Asked if Coco is hurt – “He’s going to wake up tomorrow and be pretty stiff.”
    “I think they were just exchanging some views on things.” (Manny v. Youk)
    “Everybody was fighting everybody, I was getting ready to kick Millsy’s ass”
    “What we wanted to do is win the game and that’s what we did, a lot happened in between.”
    The whole thing is on NESN.com, it’s just gold.

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 11:58 am
  • SF- Totally agreed on Gomes. After what he did in the spring against the yankees he should be getting a big suspension too. He should have received more than 1 game for his actions then. He is a thug.

    sam-YF June 6, 2008, 12:04 pm
  • I was getting ready to kick Millsy’s ass”
    What an awesome response. Made me laugh out loud.
    I’ll have to see the slide again, but it didn’t look like he went in spikes up, which is the big no-no. If he did, then yes, he shouldn’t have done that either.

    Paul SF June 6, 2008, 12:04 pm
  • Paul:
    You can see the slides here:
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080605&content_id=2843982&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
    The first play by Bartlett is just cheap, against the rules, and dangerous. Crisp should have taken it up with Bartlett, and not Iwamura. It’s the equivalent of a pitcher plunking the guy up AFTER a big home run is hit, why him? What did Iwamura do to deserve that from Crisp? Crisp’s slide was incredibly aggressive and frankly unnecessary, even as it was legal – inside the baseline (his foot still covers the bag) and fully legit – it was no elbow to the nuts ;-). It was just completely misplaced, seeing that Bartlett was nowhere nearby.

    SF June 6, 2008, 12:25 pm
  • Spikes-up is considered the “big no-no”, but worst-case scenario is that you get some stitches. What Coco did to Iwamura was far more dangerous, intentionally trying to take out his knees. When I saw the play live I immediately thought “Wow, that could have ended Aki’s season”.
    If it had been Bartlett he would have deserved some revenge, like a beaning as Sam mentioned above. But going after the smallest player on the other team (when he had already been the target of revenge in a previous high profile altercation this year) was asking for even more retaliation.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 12:55 pm
  • i have nothing of real substance to add to the discussion, but i doubt that iwamura’s run-in with shelley duncan even crossed crisp’s mind as he was running down towards second base. i just can’t see him weighing that into his decision.
    poor aki. wrong place, wrong time. twice.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 6, 2008, 1:04 pm
  • I wasn’t trying to imply that it had crossed Coco’s mind (or even should have), but rather that afterwards Coco should have expected more retaliation. To say “okay we’re even now” after sliding into Aki is a little presumptuous, in my opinion.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 1:10 pm
  • HURRAY! New Dugout post about the Manny-Youk scuffle last night.
    http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/06/06/when-the-dugout-looks-kinda-weird/

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 1:11 pm
  • “Spikes-up is considered the “big no-no”, but worst-case scenario is that you get some stitches.”
    Absolutely, 100%, false. Sorry Atheose, I’ve seen some pretty nasty shit happen to people with spikes and it wasn’t just a few stitches.

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 1:12 pm
  • gotcha, atheose. fair enough.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 6, 2008, 1:16 pm
  • That Dugout thing is hilarious!

    rootbeerfloat June 6, 2008, 1:19 pm
  • Ahh, really Lockland? I saw a kid get 8 stitches on his thigh but that was the worst. What have you seen?
    Yeah RBF, that’s probably the funniest Dugout I’ve ever read. By the way, I apologize for not being on the gamer last night to yell “GOD BLESS COCO!” when he charged the mound!

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 1:25 pm
  • “manny heeding nanny” = genius

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 6, 2008, 1:29 pm
  • I still like the one where Manny visited Papi in the hospital in 2006, and the doctor was like “Oh my god are you chewing on needles out of the biohazard trashcan?” and Manny said “Manny HIV’ing Manny”

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 1:34 pm
  • jeez, somehow, that is even funnier.

    Yankee Fan In Boston June 6, 2008, 1:36 pm
  • I’ve seen a torn achilles and a severed radial artery in the wrist, to name two.

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 1:45 pm
  • Wow, in that case disregard my comments above Lockland. I had never heard of stories that bad before.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 1:51 pm
  • I’m not saying what Coco did wasn’t dangerous, but there is a good reason that spikes up is seen by baseball as extremely taboo, it’s not something they made up, they are essentially knives.

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 1:51 pm
  • That’s the best dugout in a while. “Manny heeding nanny.” Hee hee hee.

    Micah-SF June 6, 2008, 2:25 pm
  • Ath –
    Quite frankly, you’ve missed a number of occasions to type that and when I take up the slack, everyone thinks I’m an oddball. You’re gonna have to pick things up, buddy.

    rootbeerfloat June 6, 2008, 2:29 pm
  • You have my most sincere apologies, RBF. I moved into a new apartment last week and am still without internet/tv, so I haven’t been on the gamers. I was able to watch Wednesday’s game at a bar, but that’s the only one I’ve seen in a week.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 2:47 pm
  • Ath –
    Bummer! It’s all ok, I’ve been telling every you’re the kook. ;)

    rootbeerfloat June 6, 2008, 3:04 pm
  • So I can only comment from my IPhone…help Gerb!

    John YF June 6, 2008, 3:05 pm
  • Let me guess John, MAC user?

    LocklandSF June 6, 2008, 3:07 pm
  • Let the record show that John is a Communist.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 3:12 pm
  • Why am I a communist?
    No MAC for me…I wish!

    John YF June 6, 2008, 3:28 pm
  • Things are all good for me from my mac….

    sam-YF June 6, 2008, 3:39 pm
  • On one of the other threads this morning (the Sox gamer?) Lock and I were discussing Macs. I explained to him that Macs are for Communists.

    Atheose - SF June 6, 2008, 3:44 pm
  • If by “communists,” you mean, “people who like good computers,” then I agree 100 percent, Ath.

    Paul SF June 6, 2008, 5:26 pm
  • http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20080606_suspensions.78f9413.html
    Coco for seven (seems reasonable), Lester for five (what? They’d best get that reduced on appeal) and Casey for three (dunno why).
    Gomes and Shields better get HAMMERED for this, if that’s what they’re handing out for Boston.

    Micah-SF June 6, 2008, 5:30 pm
  • Very interesting take from St. Petersburg Times: http://www.tampabay.com/sports/baseball/rays/article609815.ece

    rootbeerfloat June 6, 2008, 5:44 pm
  • Depending on how many suspensions are handed out to both teams, this fight could be just the thing to propel the Yankees near the top of the AL East.
    Both Tampa and the Sox could have multiple significant players out for several games and play shorthanded.

    SoxFan25 June 6, 2008, 5:51 pm
  • http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3429644
    Looks like Youk’s actions after bad at bats is not appreicated in the clubhouse, WTF?!?!
    Actually if this is true, isn’t this why people love/hate him??

    BillsBurgSF June 6, 2008, 10:14 pm

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