NY Giants: Super Bowl Champs!!!!

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Wooo-Hoooo! Congratulations to the Giants, our old Yankee Stadium running mates and the 2007-08 Super Bowl Champs. They beat the best the NFL had to offer down the stretch to win their title: Dallas, Green Bay, and the vaunted 18-0 Patriots, a two TD favorite. It’s a banner day for New York sports, and for Boston? The Pats go down as either the most over-rated team or one of the biggest chokes in football history. Both?

It’s good to be the king! Go Giants!

59 comments… add one
  • I love the photo. Is that from a newspaper or did you take it?

    Nick-YF February 4, 2008, 10:01 am
  • “The Pats go down as either the most over-rated team or one of the biggest chokes in football history.”
    Wow, that was a needless kick in the nuts, surprising from you YF.
    Congrats Giants fans, it was a hell of a game.

    LocklandSF February 4, 2008, 10:03 am
  • The Pats go down as either the most over-rated team or one of the biggest chokes in football history
    definitely not a choke… im still wondering how that dude caught that pass trapped against his helmet.
    and here come the bandwagon giants fans!!

    Ric February 4, 2008, 10:06 am
  • I’ve been arguing that the Pats don’t stand up as one of the greatest ever for a long time now on this site, and said plainly that I expected a Giants win. The Pats are an excellent team, and the League just isn’t that great right now; that’s my opinion. A great team rolls into the Super Bowl and then kicks ass once they get there. Like the 85 Bears. This year’s Giants are Super Bowl champs, but hardly a team for the ages, like the 86 Giants. They’re like the 90 Giants, who beat a better Bills team thanks to the brilliant defensive scheme of Bill Belichick.
    I’m totally sympathetic to SF’s comment in the previous thread, in which he wrote that Pats fans (and the rest of us) should not denigrate what was, indeed, a great season full of amazing accomplishment. But Pats fans have been a bit hard to bear lately, so they’re going to have to take their lumps now. Football is a winner take all kind of game. Also, SF (and other Sox fans) has never had a problem labeling the Yanks of 2004 a massive “choke” job, so what goes around comes around. If you want to impose a narrative in one sport, then you’ll have to live with it when there are narratives that you don’t care for come back to bite you in another.
    Finally, for all the hemming and hawing, the Pats remind me of the Yanks the past couple of years: not in their “corporate” style, but in the fact that their all-world offense couldn’t make up for a deficiency in preventing their opponents from scoring when it mattered.
    Anyway, it’s a good day to be a Giants fan.

    YF February 4, 2008, 10:23 am
  • I guess one of the consequences of last night’s loss is that this season’s Pats are no longer part of the all-time great teams discussion. That seems like a cruel fate considering that for 18 weeks, they were one of the most dominant teams I ever saw.

    Nick-YF February 4, 2008, 10:33 am
  • Thank goodness the ’04 choke still beats the ’08 choke — and occurred in the sport that’s actually relevant to this site. ;-)

    Paul SF February 4, 2008, 10:36 am
  • Pats 2008 Record: 18 – Choke

    Westboro YF February 4, 2008, 10:38 am
  • As a Dolphins fan the win was three fold:
    1) Patriots lose…won’t have to hear about how perfect/wonderful/godly Brady and the Patriots are!
    2) NY team beats Boston team.
    3) My Dolphins 72′ legacy lives on!!!!

    krueg February 4, 2008, 10:43 am
  • YF – The difference between the 04 Yanks and the 07-08 Pats is that the Superbowl could have ended either way up until the last minute of the game.
    The Yankees had 4 consecutive nights where they only had to win once, and failed each of those four nights.
    My hat is off to the Giants D-Line. I think the line as a whole deserved the MVP, not Eli. If Tuck, Strahan et al don’t pressure Brady as they did, the Giants 17 points go down as a loss. Eli played well, but the D-Line won that game last night.

    Chris - SF February 4, 2008, 10:49 am
  • Congrats, Gints fans! And congrats to Trisk, who made the long trip.
    In a sign of adulthood, I missed a good portion of the second half due to a three year old with a 104+ fever, and ended up not nearly so concerned about sports. In the end, I am not sure if I should thank him or not.
    I hope people don’t use this game to diminish the Pats’ season (though clearly the season itself hasn’t been ultimately as great as it could have been), and I also hope Pats fans don’t demean what was obviously a stellar (and superior) effort by the Giants by calling this a fluke or anything like that. Again, Congrats to the Giants and their fans, well done.

    SF February 4, 2008, 10:50 am
  • But Pats fans have been a bit hard to bear lately, so they’re going to have to take their lumps now.
    Posting that here and making that inflammatory comment above is tantamount to me (or any SF) making a broad generalization about Yankees fans’ obnoxiousness and legitimizing it as some sort of payback. I thought this site was above that kind of thing, YF? Haven’t we been discouraging that kind of thing, in general, here? Why is it ok to give Pats fans (or Sox fans, or Yankees fans) that aren’t like the ones who visit this site such a hard time even when the type of fan you describe isn’t the type that we want as posters here? This is such a double standard, particularly at this site where we discourage this exact kind of behavior of lumping all fans under one aegis and then taking broad swipes at all of them, even though we know and acknowledge all fans are different.
    Way to take the high road.

    SF February 4, 2008, 10:57 am
  • kreug, my view mirrors yours exactly
    and YF, VERY well said.

    The Sheriff (Andrews) February 4, 2008, 11:18 am
  • “Way to take the high road”
    Stop whining and take it like a man, in silence, for once. Please.

    The Sheriff (Andrews) February 4, 2008, 11:20 am
  • Exactly SF.
    YF, what’s it like to be part of THE MOST arrogant, insufferable, entitled, gold chained, greasy, loudmouth, rude fan base in history?
    What’s wrong? You don’t like that stereotype?

    LocklandSF February 4, 2008, 11:23 am
  • “take it like a man”
    Great, that’s eloquent. How old are you?
    I stated exactly how I feel about what happened, in the previous thread and above, repeated in this thread. I am sincerely happy for many friends of mine who are Giants fans, and have said so to them. It was a great victory, and deserved, unqualified.
    I don’t need to say anything else, it’s not Pats fans throwing the rocks here.

    SF February 4, 2008, 11:25 am
  • I’ve been wondering whether this will go down as the Pats’ version of the Yankees’ 2001 World Series.

    Paul SF February 4, 2008, 11:37 am
  • sf, sorry to hear about the sick child, and i hope the little one is doing better today…
    i’ve mentioned before that i’m an [ugh] jets fan, so i’m supposed to dislike both of these teams…found myself rooting some for the underdog, partly because of that and partly because i can’t root for a team with boston ties, and the pats-hype was wearing me out…yf normally doesn’t come on so strong, but in a way i don’t blame him…i know quite a few pats fans, and they make the more obnoxious, entitled yankee fans you guys dislike so much look like amateurs, at least for this particular season [not all of them though]…i agree with yf on this: if you can dish it, you ought to be able to take it…when you add the trademarking of “19-0”, and the shameless pats-loving by espn and other supposedly unbiased sports reporters and tv analysts inundating us with over the top praise for brady and bellicheck, it gets a bit tiring…i do feel bad for the more tolerable fans i know, that were simply enjoying the ride, and that recognized that flaws were being exposed in the the second half of the season when the pats began to look less invincible…even they, as pats fans realized this team was far from perfect…heck, even my jets made a game of it in the second meeting with the pats, and that ravens game was all but over, but for the bizarre finish…i felt all year long that the way to beat the pats was to get to brady…he’s not good under pressure because he’s not good with his feet…teams tried it and almost pulled it off in the second half of the season…the giants actually got it done…
    having said all that, i think the pats are in for a difficult off-season…they’ll have to answer the second-guessers about why they couldn’t beat a double digit underdog, why bellicheck went for it on 4th and 13 instead of trying a FG, the aging defense, was brady really hurt afterall?, spygate II [i’m particularly interested in this one, given yfsf’s intolerance of cheaters]…should be interesting to see how it plays out…

    dc February 4, 2008, 11:50 am
  • not quite paul…the yankees finished their “perfect” season with 125 wins and a sweep of the padres in 1998….i’m surprised you didn’t know that, given your love of stats and all…. ;)

    dc February 4, 2008, 11:55 am
  • Hah, I was thinking more in the “end of the dynasty” theme. The Yankees were a great team with a 3-2 in that World Series, but were stunned in the closing seconds (innings), and never really came that close (Game 7) again.

    Paul SF February 4, 2008, 12:02 pm
  • i figured that’s what you meant…i was just goofing on you…

    dc February 4, 2008, 12:03 pm
  • “Great, that’s eloquent. How old are you?”
    old enough to name himself “The Sheriff”, which I must admit is pretty daunting as far as internet aliases go.

    Ric February 4, 2008, 12:22 pm
  • “I don’t need to say anything else, it’s not Pats fans throwing the rocks here.”
    ———-
    “Thank goodness the ’04 choke still beats the ’08 choke”
    yeah, no rocks. None at all.

    ansky February 4, 2008, 12:37 pm
  • “…I’m totally sympathetic to SF’s comment in the previous thread, in which he wrote that Pats fans (and the rest of us) should not denigrate what was, indeed, a great season full of amazing accomplishment….”
    uh, not so fast yf…i seem to remember some sox fans [maybe not sf] on this site telling me and others that winning is the only thing…as yf’s we shouldn’t find solace in the emergence of young players or older players having career years, in the midst of another yankee post season failure…any season that ended in less than a championship was to be considered a failure…i think the context was that “as yf’s, we should feel this way”…well it’s the same thing here…the pats were coronated the week after spygate, so anything less than a super bowl victory renders the rest of the season pointless…

    dc February 4, 2008, 12:47 pm
  • Let’s just say this:
    It’s pretty clear that last night enabled YF’s buried malevolence towards Bostonians to surface, since he doesn’t even really care about the Giants or the NFL that much. God help us if the Yankees ever win again, particularly at the expense of the Sox, YF will be a total brute!
    ;-)

    SF February 4, 2008, 12:47 pm
  • …and i will be insufferable…
    ;)
    …uh, i’ll try not to be…no promises…

    dc February 4, 2008, 12:51 pm
  • Last night’s game was definately a bummer for us Pats fans. The game was good and it was something eveyone usually hopes for, a good played game.
    Just a couple of days ago in some posts here, people were getting upset about inflammatory remarks. Well it seems to me the night the Yanks got eliminated the Sox fans were actually pretty tame in dealing with Yank fans. But maybe all of the Boston wins have finally broken thier backs.
    Remember, it is not the fans with the over the top Patriots man crushes. It has been a lot of the sports writers.
    A three point loss in a winner take all game is not a choke, it is a shame they lost the game, but is one game. The sad thing is the one loss on the season, leaves quite the blemish.
    Just think, had the Pats won that game you would have had a year of Brady Man crushes to deal with.

    Anonymous February 4, 2008, 1:16 pm
  • yeah, as not a very strong pats fan (i remember them more as the patsies), they were maybe getting pretty big for their britches. the only reason i was really rooting hard for them last night is that they were playing a manning, and i didn’t want TWO mannings on every single minute of TV for the next year.
    the pats were a great story for the first half of the decade, but maybe they needed this humbling? also, i couldn’t have taken a year of ‘cheated their way to a superbowl’ storylines.
    and the commercials were terrible. and troy aikman is not interesting.

    rk February 4, 2008, 1:33 pm
  • “and i didn’t want TWO mannings on every single minute of TV for the next year.”
    Dude, get ready for the non-stop Manning Bros commercials.

    Nick-YF February 4, 2008, 1:36 pm
  • “Thank goodness the ’04 choke still beats the ’08 choke”
    Does it really though? Being up 3-0 and having a four point lead with a couple minutes left in the Superbowl kinda seems to equate to me…both teams had it in the bag, or so we thought. If any Pats fan tells me they didn’t think they had it when Moss caught the go ahead TD well, they certainly weren’t at the bar I was in last night…
    (just food for thought, not trying to start anything!!!)

    krueg February 4, 2008, 1:37 pm
  • Krueg, anybody can win any game — and the Giants technically (by Vegas standards) weren’t as big underdogs as the Pats were in 2001. No one in baseball before or since has won three in a row like that. Non-equivalent, in my opinion.
    seem to remember some sox fans [maybe not sf] on this site telling me and others that winning is the only thing
    As I recall, dc, this was Sox fans turning the general Yankee argument against Yanks fans, not actually postulating that the championship was the only thing that determined a successful season. Since this is (was?) clearly what the Yankee ownership believed, it was used as a way to blunt those who pointed to the Yanks’ umpteen-straight division titles (particularly the last seven) — you know, back when they had that strwak. ;-)

    Paul SF February 4, 2008, 1:45 pm
  • Krueg – 2+ minutes with 3 time outs is an eternity in a football game. I was happy when the Pats went ahead, but by no means complacent. 4 points with ~2:30 to go is nowhere near safe in the NFL…no matter who you’re facing.

    Chris - SF February 4, 2008, 1:48 pm
  • strwak = streak in some alternate dimension.

    Paul SF February 4, 2008, 1:49 pm
  • seem to remember some sox fans [maybe not sf] on this site telling me and others that winning is the only thing
    No, actually, I DID hold this position, pre-2004, with the Sox. I honestly felt this — without a championship the Sox were really just failing, time after time. YF took a very different stance, which I understood. To be able to say that “winning isn’t everything” is a privileged attitude, typically because those who take it have experienced winning. I think that the Sox’ successes (and the Patriots’, to an extent) have changed my mind. So “winning isn’t everything” is something of a convenient position for me, maybe a little Johnny-come-lately. It’s certainly much easier to be romantic about loving the spirit of the competition over the success of one’s effort if your team has won a great deal.
    Certainly championships are gratifying and laudatory; they are rare. But I do understand now that they aren’t everything.

    SF February 4, 2008, 2:26 pm
  • i guess i took the “winning is the only thing” barb personally, rather than as an insult of my team’s ownership…i don’t think i was wrong to take it personally though since it was used in direct response to some musings i had about being disappointed with the results of the post season, yet finding some things to be encouraged about and seizing opportunities within the season to find enjoyment with the game of baseball itself…i remember the discussion being quite lively and lengthy and leaving me to feel that some of you thought i was being insincere…that was a bummer frankly since i survived the bad [worse] yankee decades of the late 60’s, early 70’s, and most of the 80’s, never bailing on my team…feeling good about a guy like horace clarke reaching the 100 hit milestone for the season, or a great play in the field in a losing effort, or mel stottlemyre winning 20 games for a bad team may seem silly, but that’s all i had in those days…there weren’t many televised games in those early days, so i fed my habit with AM radio at the kitchen table in my parents house for nearly every game…i won’t bother to go into the joy it was to watch mattingly play, even as it was painful feeling like he’d never get a chance to play in the post season…i was pathetic, but loyal…

    dc February 4, 2008, 2:55 pm
  • but that’s all i had in those days
    Hey, I’m with ya. Nate Minchey was a childhood hero of mine.

    Paul SF February 4, 2008, 3:10 pm
  • “Pats fans have been a bit hard to bear lately”
    This really isn’t that inflamatory, or wasn’t intended to be. Certainly I don’t think Pats fans are any more knuckleheaded as a group than any other fan base (I’m thinking of you, Jets!). Simply that, after 18 wins and 0 losses, all we’ve been hearing lately is HOW AMAZINGLY HISTORICALLY GREAT the Pats are. And while there was, I suppose, reasonable explanation for this, as someone who wasn’t buying into the hype, it was pretty annoying. Again, not really intended as a denigration of Pats fans per se.
    I don’t think one needs the privilege of championships to enjoy the game for what it is. I’m glad SF is over that all-that-matters-is-winning ‘tude, but I don’t think it springs from arrogance. Seems like fans fill up Wrigley every year proving this.

    YF February 4, 2008, 6:35 pm
  • “Great, that’s eloquent. How old are you?”
    47. Almost old enough to be your dad?
    With all the shit doled out here over the ’04 “choke”, you should expect some coming your way now. You’re mistaken if you think your congratulations (and with it your usual fence-riding) to render you immune.

    The Sheriff (Andrews) February 4, 2008, 7:31 pm
  • “to render you immune” = will render you immune

    The Sheriff (Andrews) February 4, 2008, 7:34 pm
  • Nice, dignified response, Andrews. Glad you have done so much to tear down the stereotype of the New York winner who can’t do it with any dignity. You are a credit to your (own) city; I live in a different one than you even though we are only a few miles apart.
    And no, you aren’t old enough to be my Dad. I’ll just leave your ugly insult within that comment to itself.

    SF February 4, 2008, 8:10 pm
  • YF:
    I don’t think the inflammatory comment was the one you thought it was. Perhaps the “over-rated” and “choke” comments were more apt.
    I totally agree with you that the love of the game absent victory doesn’t spring only from those who have won, I didn’t qualify it that way. But I do think that winning a championship certainly makes it easier to forgive failure. I certainly have experienced this, with the Celtics, the Pats, and now the Sox (forget the Bruins!!). So while one can lament the lost opportunity (like last night), the “failure” is dulled by the memories of prior successes, recent and less recent. With the Sox, in particular, I had never known what that ultimate success felt like, as a fan, and so everything up until 2004 felt somewhat incomplete. Knowing exactly how difficult and rare it is to win a World Series, or a Super Bowl, or a Stanley Cup makes the recognition of even near-success that much more acute.
    As for Cubs fans, I know many of them who look at their team as perennial failures, who love them no less for it. But they still look at them as failures. I never said anything about it involving arrogance, that’s your word. I used the word “privilege” in regards to witnessing a championship for one’s team which, in thirty five years of sports-rooting, is quite a big one.

    SF February 4, 2008, 8:18 pm
  • SF: Your skin seems pretty thin. You have no problem using the choke word when it comes to the Yanks, but it gets turned around here and it’s some kind of outrage. It’s a serious question for Pats fans, though. We’ve heard endlessly in the news about how great this Pats team is. So if you bought into that narrative, now you have to deal with the reality that either they weren’t that great, or they choked. There should not be anything incendiary there.
    As for my “arrogant, dickish” attitude, I was merely responding to what I found to be a needlessly argumentative post that seemed to deny reality and in the process diminish the meaning of both the win for the Giants and the loss for the Pats. Sheesh. Thin skin around here.

    YF February 4, 2008, 11:29 pm
  • Honestly, at this point i think New Yorkers can have their 48 hrs to bask in glory. When the sox won this year most of us didnt try to piss on your parade. I cant believe the direction that this thread has gone in as there have been stones tossed by both sides…
    Let us enjoy our win in peace!!!

    sam-YF February 4, 2008, 11:39 pm
  • ” Glad you have done so much to tear down the stereotype of the New York winner who can’t do it with any dignity.”
    Excuse me? I’m the gloating NY winner? Did I say anything derogatory about the Pats or their fans?
    If you would get your head out of your arse for once, you would realize that I’m not gloating, merely calling you out for once again “taking the high road” thinking that it will somehow immunize you from a good ribbing when things don’t go your way. If you think you custom of taking just enough of a dissenting opinion so as to claim in the end you’ve been right all along is fooling anyone here, you sorely mistaken.
    “You are a credit to your (own) city; I live in a different one than you even though we are only a few miles apart.”
    And you are a pompous, pedantic windbag.
    Maybe one day the world will get lucky and you grow tired of the sound of your own voice.
    Have a nice life.

    The Sheriff (Andrews) February 5, 2008, 12:52 am
  • you=you’re
    you=you’ll

    The Sheriff (Andrews) February 5, 2008, 12:55 am
  • “Finally, for all the hemming and hawing, the Pats remind me of the Yanks the past couple of years: not in their “corporate” style, but in the fact that their all-world offense couldn’t make up for a deficiency in preventing their opponents from scoring when it mattered.”
    For all the forced comparisons in this thread, this one seems closest to the truth. But for me, it’s not about the offense, it’s simply a matter of finishing the job. Both teams are getting to the playoffs with regularity – some years as the favorites, some years as not. But they aren’t getting it done any more. Less corporate, it just seems like the powers that be know how to put winning teams together, but that something critical is missing when it matters most.
    2001 = 2008 is a decent analogy too. If true, that would mean the Pats have six years of playoff losses to look forward to: Wild Card (2002), SB (2003), Conference Championship (2004), Wild Card (2005), Wild Card (2006), Wild Card (2007). :) But remember, the Yankees weren’t supposed to win in 2001. They were facing the Unit/Schilling beast in its prime and barely won two of those games.
    For the record, the “choke” this year wasn’t losing a three point game. It was having an invincible team – 18 wins against zero losses – and failing to convert the final game, one in which they were two touchdown favorites. For all the Yankee “choking” in 2004, they weren’t expected to win that series. The Sox had the much better pitching.

    A YF February 5, 2008, 6:29 am
  • Using the point spread as evidence of a choke is wrong. Las Vegas sets a line to get people gambling. It is not done for predictive purposes or as a qualitative assessment of a team’s season or abilities. Point spreads should never enter discussions about sports, unless one is discussing gambling on sports, that’s it.

    SF February 5, 2008, 6:38 am
  • One more note on that 2004 season, that I had forgotten:
    Pythag Records
    Yankees: 89-73, 892 RS, 802 RA
    Boston: 98-64, 933 RS, 756 RA
    The “choke” is a convenient fiction in which the unlikely 3-0 lead masked a real difference between the teams. That’s not to take anything way from the Sox – they were a great team – just their fans ;)

    A YF February 5, 2008, 6:50 am
  • Well, it’s not like it was just the spread. The 18-0 record had something to do with the Pats’ favored status too.

    A YF February 5, 2008, 6:55 am
  • Spread Shmead, the Pats were huge favorites going into this. This is one of the biggest upsets in Superbowl history. Really, what was striking about the game, was how out of rythm the Pats’ offense looked. It didn’t look like itself. I don’t care for the choke term because it diminishes both teams’ efforts. That said, what happened on Sunday, was truly exceptional because of how different the Pats looked from the team everyone knew up until that point. It was also exceptional because freaking Tom Coughlin outcoached Bill Belichick, which hurts this Wes alum’s sense of the world.
    And now I’m off to work.

    Nick-YF February 5, 2008, 7:08 am
  • Oh, it was an upset, no dispute at all. I just don’t like using point spreads for anything but gambling, and I don’t gamble!

    SF February 5, 2008, 7:19 am
  • (not trying to needlessly nitpick – I just have a pet peeve about point spread invocations by athletes and others)

    SF February 5, 2008, 7:22 am
  • Sheriff: As much as SF and I occassionally disagree, your comment is so far out of line as to warrant a lifetime ban–though I can’t imagine what you’re doing here in the first place if that is a reflection of your attitude.

    YF February 5, 2008, 9:31 am
  • i think the point sf, is that while point spreads have a specific purpose [gambling], they are indicative of one team’s favored status…the pats were heavy favorites by any measuring stick, and they did not win…that makes it an “upset”…it is right up there with the jets [yay] beating the colts in III…”choke” is a strong word…i don’t even like to use it when i’m on the offensive in a discussion, because there are usually a bunch of cases on both sides where we could say our teams have choked…i don’t think the patriots choked…rather, i think they were outplayed by a team that matched up very well with them, especially where it counted most: putting pressure on brady…the pats were not invincible, as a close look at some of their later games would show…it was a shaky 18-0…the hype was intense, but i don’t think that pressure got to them…

    dc February 5, 2008, 9:55 am
  • I had a very strong feeling about the Giants when they first sac’d Brady. Then I had a very bad feeling when the Patriots finally looked like themselves on that last drive. Feeling of inevitability. Honestly, the Giants, who have a mediocre offense at BEST, had ONE shot to win the game. Multiple third-down “this is the game” conversions and one Miracle later, they won. My mind is still blown.

    AndrewYF February 5, 2008, 11:27 am
  • Something strange occurred to me last night. Before their respective seasons last year, I picked the Yankees to win the World Series and the Patriots to win the Super Bowl. Whoops.
    As such, if anyone out there has a college basketball program they particularly dislike, I’ll make my jinxing services available starting March 1. The bidding starts at two popsicles, or if you want me to pick Duke I might settle for one.

    FenSheaParkway February 5, 2008, 11:36 am
  • I have hestitated to post because tension seems to be extra high around here right now. I have some really cool stories, pictures and experiences regarding the trip out to Arizona that I hope to share in the near future.
    One thing I have to say is that Patriot fans that made their way to Arizona were extremely combative. They were seeking out those of us wearing Giants gear and making sure their thoughts were heard. We were challenged to fights, had things thrown at us and were verbally abused over and over. It felt a lot like a five day trip to the old Vet/Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia. I honestly did not expect this kind of arrogance and hatred from Patriot fans. They treated Giants fans like they had no business being out there. It was their game and in their minds it was a done deal. It wasn’t supposed to go down like this and I think that’s what made the fans out there so confident. The “Count The Rings” mentality has made its way into Patriot Nation, at least those Patriot fans that made their way out to Arizona. After the loss most (if not all) of the Patriots gear was quickly replaced by Red Sox hats and jerseys. (So much so it felt like I was in Fort Myers for Spring Training) For the first time since we stepped foot in Arizona, Patriot fans were quiet. Not one fan said a single word. Not at the stadium, not at the bars afterwards, not in the airport. Scottsdale area went from Little Boston to Little East Rutherford in no time.
    So bottom line if you think the Yankees/Sox, NY Vs. Boston mentality didn’t leak into this game you are sadly mistaken. If this was a Green Bay/New England Super Bowl I don’t think the tension is nearly as high.

    John - YF February 5, 2008, 3:20 pm
  • That’s sad to hear, John. I’ve never understood the mentality among many fans that sports are apparently only enjoyable if it involves intimidation and mockery. Why can’t we enjoy a game for what it is?

    Paul SF February 5, 2008, 3:50 pm
  • One thing I have to say is that Patriot fans that made their way to Arizona were extremely combative. They were seeking out those of us wearing Giants gear and making sure their thoughts were heard.
    That’s just foul, Trisk. I don’t feel a need to apologize for people I don’t know, but that’s embarrassing to me, to some extent.

    SF February 5, 2008, 4:31 pm
  • welcome back john…
    glad to hear you had a [mostly] good time and survived it to share with us…i’m with paul that intimidation and mockery have no place among the more refined fans, like the yfsf gang for example…sometimes our good-natured ribbing of each other can cross the line, but rarely gets mean-spirited…it’s troubling that some of the new england fans were so obnoxious…i’m guessing that doesn’t represent the majority of them, and you encountered the extreme among them who were simply looking for trouble…they should have been more careful not to tweak the gods of probability…i also agree that there is a significant overlap of the soxfan/patsfan fan bases, but there are exceptions for sure…as noted by a number of other folks, the intensity can be very different too…i’m a jets and yankee fan but on the intensity meter from 1-10 i’m an 11 as a yankee fan, and even on the rare occasions that the jets have shown some promise, my intensity for them is a fairly consistent 6 or 7…that’s based primarily on baseball being my favorite sport…

    dc February 6, 2008, 9:46 am

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