Offensive Fouls: PaleSox-Yanks Gamer X

As you probably know by now, ARod didn’t get a hit last night.  Much to the chagrin of the New York rags, the Yankees won anyway with five Yankees homering including two by Jorge, but ARod was still the lead story, which draws our first foul.  I suppose that winning three in a row, combined with another loss from Cleveland that leaves the Yanks only two out in the WC hunt doesn’t rate.  It was a curious game to watch with so much focus on Alex despite the other current ridonculous barrage from the battery, but I suppose that is understandable.  All I know is the sooner this arbitrary milestone and sidebar to the season passes, the better off we all will be.  Pete Abe with the stat-of-the-day: "As you may have heard, A-Rod is 0 for 21 since hitting his 499th home
run. But he shouldn’t feel too badly. It took Jimmie Foxx 61 at-bats to
get to 500 and Harmon Killebrew 43."

The other foul came in the eighth last night, when knuckler Charlie Haeger fluttered an errant pitch into Robi after Jorge’s second shot.  Home plate ump Tom Hallion ran Haeger immediately and with great vigor, causing a minor melt-down (and rightfully so) by Ozzie Guillen.  Even the Yankee announcers were incensed.

Today, it may be a bit more difficult task to be patently offensive as Jon Garland has been a somewhat stingier with doling out the round-trippers this year than previously in his career, and is coming off a serviceable start aganst Toronto.  He faces Roger Clemens, who gave up four runs in a six-and-one-third-inning losing effort in Baltimore last week.  Jeter gets a day off today; we’ll get a look at Wilson Betemit at short and in the eight slot of the line-up, which follows.  Comment away.

Chicago White Sox
J. Owens cf .253
A. Cintron 3b .229
J. Thome dh .273
P. Konerko 1b .265
A.J. Pierzynski c .267
J. Dye rf .229
D. Erstad lf .268
J. Uribe ss .216
D. Richar 2b .222
New York Yankees
J. Damon dh .251
M. Cabrera cf .289
B. Abreu rf .274
A. Rodriguez 3b .295
H. Matsui lf .293
J. Posada c .341
R. Cano 2b .303
W. Betemit ss .000
A. Phillips 1b .286
185 comments… add one
  • Jon. But he’s pitching well (relatively) this year. I hope we pummel him anyhow. Gooo Yanks!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 12:50 pm
  • Michael Kay is going to be pissed. On his show Tuesday he said Betemits “Posterior” had gotten too big to play SS. You show ’em Wilson! Nothing wrong with some junk in the trunk.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 12:51 pm
  • The worse part of the tabloid coverage of Arod, is that other national news outlets pick this up and then talk about it as “the fans are turning against A-Rod” which couldnt be further from the truth judging from the applause he gets at every AB. Its unbelievable to me how a handful of writers and headline editors could be responsible for driving this guy out of here. Who are they gonna write about if they do!? Jeez.

    sam YF August 2, 2007, 12:51 pm
  • So what happens to Cairo anyhow?

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:09 pm
  • Cairo is a pinch runner/1b. perfect first for the rocket.

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • after 1 inning of scoreless work, the Rocket’s ERA is at 3.86, my predicted number for him on the season. I am brilliant!

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • Clemens sits them down 1-2-3 on 11 pitches, though Thome gave it a ride.
    End of half, no score.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • garland: working fast and throwing strikes, induces the opo to 2nd from jd.

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:17 pm
  • Abreu singles. Here comes Alex…..

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • I wish in MLB Gameday when you click on a pitcher it gives you better pitching stats. Whatever it’s showing it’s not very useful.
    Abreu getting it started with a single. This would be a great time for 500!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • john sterling just called abreu’s single the salad before the steak and potatoes
    the steak and potatoes? A-Rod.
    go figure.

    sam YF August 2, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • Nice to know I’m not alone today! Yay!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • Grounder to short. Maybe next time.

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:21 pm
  • Bah, ARod grounds out on the 2nd pitch. After 1, Garland’s at 12 pitches, no score.

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 1:21 pm
  • let no one question nick’s genius.
    meanwhile, would it kill yes to give us a couple of shots of betemit out there? hello! show us the new guy!

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:23 pm
  • Well, Nick is still correct after back to back singles by Konerko and Piercan’tspellhisname.

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 1:25 pm
  • A timely DP would be nice. Let’s go!

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 1:26 pm
  • Both the anons are me. “Remember personal info” forgets a lot, apparently.
    Dye doubles in a run, man on 2nd and 3rd, no outs. Ack.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:26 pm
  • Shit. This is all going to hell quickly. 2-0 after the liner to first by erstad. this following the double by dye with 2 on.

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:27 pm
  • And the hitting continues as Erstad singles in a run, now runners at corners, still no out. Clemens at 18 pitches.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:27 pm
  • john sterling just called abreu’s single the salad before the steak and potatoes
    Does this mean if Abreu gets thrown out of the game he’s tossed salad?
    badump bump

    SF August 2, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • It was brilliant while it lasted.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • Another liner. 5 knocks in a row and it’s 3-0, men on 1st and 2nd, and no outs. Roger not fooling anyone out there.

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • Wow, the Sox are pounding Clemens right now. 5 straight hits, and they all came out swinging – 5 hits on 9 pitches.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:30 pm
  • The #9 hitter finally gets a fly out to Melky. Yuck. At least now a DP gets out of the inning, let’s go Roger!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:31 pm
  • And Cano boots an easy inning ending dp ball after a fly to center. no bases juiced, still just 1 out. Not our day? Still early…..

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:32 pm
  • And Cano makes Roger work more. Probably a DP ball, but yuck.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:32 pm
  • Get the force at home, but the bases still juiced for a very dangerous Thome.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:33 pm
  • Let’s hope the Yank’s bats are as alive as they’ve been.
    Since, as I’m typing that Thome drives in a few more. Unearned runs, but still counts.
    5-0 Sox.

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 1:35 pm
  • 2 more in. Gonna be hard to reel this one back in against garland. at least we’ve already won the series.
    more runs!
    christ. 6-0. is this rocket’s worst outing ever?

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:36 pm
  • Still me. Konerko doubles in another run. 6-0. Are we forfeiting this game?

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:37 pm
  • Ol’Rog should’ve wore his “Depends” today; casue he’s shitting the bed… literally. Ugh.

    bloodyank78 August 2, 2007, 1:38 pm
  • AJ continues the tear with a single. 8-0 Sox. Cano’s error obviously huge now.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:38 pm
  • Alright, Dye doubles again. Did Torre fall asleep?

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • Roger quickly trying to make his million dollar starts morph into million dollar two inning outings.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • 8-0. Anyone for checkers?
    Probably don’t want to be anywhere near roger in the clubhouse later.
    Michael Kay should stop picking on Cano. Not his fault Roger can’t get anyone out.
    Dye doubles AGAIN THIS INNING. Holy shit.
    The good news: a couple of grand slams and we’re right back in this thing. Put in Duncan!

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • Finally, Myers comes in. Definitely too late, but hey. Maybe he should get Igawa in there too, I mean, what more damage can he do, right?

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:41 pm
  • This is definitely not the steak I was looking for.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:43 pm
  • How much is that per pitch?

    Brad August 2, 2007, 1:44 pm
  • Erstad works a 7 pitch walk. What the hey.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:46 pm
  • Karstens now pitching with the bases loaded. At least it’s a low pressured situation, even with the bases juiced.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:47 pm
  • And Myers loads the bases. Welcome back to the Bronx, Jeff Karstens!

    YF August 2, 2007, 1:47 pm
  • > Worst outing ever?
    This one is certainly up there.
    Best (or worst, I suppose) comp: Boston vs. Minnesota July 23rd 1995 1.1 IP, 8 earned runs, 9 hits, 2 walks 61 pitches

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 1:48 pm
  • Well, tons of the runs were unearned, so ya. Still a bad outing though.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:49 pm
  • Karsten finally got that elusive third out that apparently no one else can get.
    Okay, maybe _now_ ARod will hit that 500th. And a few grand slams would be nice too.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:50 pm
  • It’s not so fun this game. Okay, lunch time.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 1:51 pm
  • John Sterling ” You can bet on Betemit”
    Cashman is a genius…

    sam YF August 2, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • Wilson! Jeter Pipped?

    YF August 2, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • Wow, Matsui singles, Posada doubles, Cano singles to score Matsui, and Betemit HR’s to make it an 8-4 game. Maybe I should take more lunches..
    Philip then singles. Still nobody out.. this feels like the top of the inning, only better. Well, it’ll actually be better if they also scored say, 5-6 more.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • why do the white sox suck so much? effing conspiracy…

    mp August 2, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • Ca-Ca-Ca- Comeback!!

    bloodyank78 August 2, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • OK, I don’t miss Proctor so much now! Welcome to New York, Wilson! I’m watching the game on Gamecast…did he get a curtain call?

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • Finally, A-Rod’s off the schnide. RBI, baby!

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 2:15 pm
  • did he get a curtain call?
    Dude, people get curtain calls in Yankee Stadium if they can count to four successfully. What do you think?

    SF August 2, 2007, 2:16 pm
  • Baseball is WEIRD…………

    Blah August 2, 2007, 2:18 pm
  • did he get a curtain call?
    yankees get curtain calls for buttoning their uniforms properly

    Ric August 2, 2007, 2:18 pm
  • Jon Garland channels Tim Donaghy. Can’t let these games get too out of hand, now!

    SF August 2, 2007, 2:18 pm
  • I knew you’d pipe in w/a comment in response to nettles-YF question about the curtain call. LOL.

    bloodyank78 August 2, 2007, 2:19 pm
  • I think you could say that a 3 Run Homer your first AB on a team is a good reason for a Curtain Call.

    Blah August 2, 2007, 2:19 pm
  • Is it me or does Boone Logan’s name sound better switched around?

    snowballa August 2, 2007, 2:21 pm
  • “Did he get a curtain call?”
    Funny stuff, guys! Thanks. :)

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 2:21 pm
  • Tie game

    Blah August 2, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • Ha ha ha ha!! Posada ties the game. I never saw this coming. Damn.

    bloodyank78 August 2, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YF August 2, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • That’s incredible. Congratulations!

    Devine August 2, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • “That’s incredible. Congratulations!”

    Blah August 2, 2007, 2:27 pm
  • 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8! CURTAIN CALL.
    I want to see Nook Logan hit against Boon Logan.

    YF August 2, 2007, 2:27 pm
  • Ridonculous! Let’s put all that behind us.
    We’re playing a seven inning game, the score is 0-0.
    Wish I could be watching this. Or do I…

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 2:28 pm
  • 1-2-3 inning from Karstens. Nice to see that from the bullpen!

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 2:32 pm
  • OK, Wilson’s honeymoon is officially OVER! I hope he got booed all the way back to the dugout! (j/k) :)

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 2:35 pm
  • For the record, as I posted before, the Yanks and ChiSox have set a record for most runs by two teams in the second inning of a ballgame. Previous record: 16, set twice, the last time in 1936.
    In 2004, the Rangers and Tigers did you guys two better, by scoring 18 runs — 10 for Texas, 8 for Detroit.

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • Why did Podsednik PH for Thome?

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 2:44 pm
  • Called strike one on Erstad. CURTAIN CALL FOR KARSTENS!!!

    mp August 2, 2007, 2:46 pm
    Why not? Might as well keep the trend going.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 2:54 pm
  • Wow, I just came back from lunch, and the Yanks came all the way back. That’s something, though Karsten gives up a 2 spotter to Dye. Part of me wished Dye got traded to the Sox just for today afterall!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 2:56 pm
  • Bobby grounds out and Logan comes out. Bukvich? Never heard of him.. (but we will if he gives up #500!)

    Lar August 2, 2007, 2:59 pm
  • I just read an article in the Daily News (my lunchtime rag) and on the subject of curtain calls, apparently Shelley did not come out for his latest HR. Just FYI.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • ARod singles – that’s two straight hits. Definitely curtain call worthy.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:03 pm
  • Another note – Matsui’s next HR will be his 100th. It’s not a big deal, but nice anyhow. If he had played in the US his entire career it wouldn’t be hard to see him with a good career (maybe 300-400 HR’s), but ah well.
    He grounds into fielder’s choice, and here comes the hot hitting Posada.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:06 pm
  • Uneventful inning as Posada grounds out. It’s still early though, as we head toward the top of the 5th.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:10 pm
  • An unforunately eventful top of the 5th. Pod singles with two outs to drive in the lead off double. 11-8 Sox. Nothing’s out of reach at this point, but Karsten is actually pitcher of record here! Let’s hope the Yanks will hit their way back into it..

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 3:16 pm
  • “Bet on it” walks after Cano flies out. C’mon Andy, let’s get it going again!

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • Andy flies out, but JD singles to bring Melky to the plate.
    Oh ya, anon’s are me. This keeps on anoning me. Grumbles.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:29 pm
  • Yanks did nothing with that inning, and the Sox goes down 1-2-3 against Villone. Bottom of the 6, Yanks down by 3.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:42 pm
  • Abreu is the salad that hits a HR. 11-9 Sox. If only there were more people on base!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:45 pm
  • HOLY SHIZZLE! How about a curtain call for Saladboy?

    mp August 2, 2007, 3:46 pm
  • ARod pops out. 500 will have to wait. But I still rather we win this damn game!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:49 pm
  • Especially with Sox and Indians both winning today.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:50 pm
  • Matsui and Posada both struck out. At the end of 6, it’s 11-9. The Yanks need to crank it up a notch!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • Here come the Sox again. They refuse to give up. Grumbles.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:02 pm
  • The Yanks need to crank it up a notch!
    Ha, Lar. They score 9 runs and need to crank it up?

    Brad August 2, 2007, 4:04 pm
  • Richar tries to tag and take on a pop to shallow right. Cano guns him down to end the Chicago seventh.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:08 pm
  • Hey, 9 is only good when err, the other team scores less than 9! =)
    It really should’ve been enough. The pitching fail us here. And slightly on the fielding.
    Though just as I said that, Cano throws Richar out at home for a DP.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:10 pm
  • Including today, the Yanks have scored 165 runs in the 22 games since the break — 7.5/game. And today ain’t ovah.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:10 pm
  • He was out by a lot. Richar must have been thinking that Cano was sleeping out there.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:11 pm
  • How many times does someone make a good play on the field and then hits the ball well the same inning? No idea, but Cano has a chance to do that right now!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:12 pm
  • Cano is showing nice patience in this at bat.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:13 pm
  • Don’t undestand why you’d be trying to tag on a questionable-depth ball when Jim freakin’ Thome is about to be at the plate. Man, the White Sox suck…

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 4:13 pm
  • Cano showing what he’s capable of when he’s hot – taking 5 straight pitches (3-0, then 3-2), fouling 2 off, and then and works a walk. Great AB there.
    Jeter comes in for “Bet on it”. Let’s go Captain!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:15 pm
  • ag: “Today, it may be a bit more difficult task to be patently offensive”.
    Apparently you’re patently wrong. =P Though I wished Clemens held up his end a little bit. Grumbles.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:16 pm
  • Paul – yes, it was a really bad idea to send him on that play. It wasn’t like Cano was on a all-out run away from the field; he had plenty of time to turn plant and throw.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • MacDougal comes in to pitch to the Captain. Too lazy to look up the head to head stats.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • > you’re patently wrong
    That’s what happens when I try and shoe-horn idioms into a gamer. Glad I reverse-jinxed things.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • Another tidbit – the Yanks finally passed the Tigers as the league’s leading run scoring team. And the Yanks gives up a lot fewer runs than Detroit.
    It’s almost a wonder they’re 7 games back.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:19 pm
  • ag: I’m just teasing, though I rather that you’re only wrong about Garland!

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • > It’s almost a wonder they’re 7 games back
    Only if you have the gift of mentally blocking out April and May

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • Jeets strikes out on 4 pitches. Let’s go Andy!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:21 pm
  • I know Lar. :)
    Jeter rung up on a check swing high and tight.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:21 pm
  • AP singles to makeit first and second with one away to Johnny Damon.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • Philips singles, so man on first and second, one out, here’s JD trying to “crank it up a notch”.
    Ya, it’s a great feeling when the Yanks finally start hitting. We’ll see how far this can go the inevitable slumps. Also, maybe against good righties.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:23 pm
  • Johnny takes two balls, then hits a line shot HARD at first; Konerko throws to second to double off Cano who had no chance to get back.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • Damon really put a charge into that. Too bad it was straight at Paul.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • And JD lines into a DP, picking Cano off 2nd. Well hit, but right at someone. Bah, end of 7th.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:25 pm
  • Yeah, scared the crap outta me.

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 4:26 pm
  • Paul: heh.
    I turn around for a second and all of a sudden Molina is taking throws at the dish. Did something happen to HipHip?

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:29 pm
  • That was a very tolerant laugh, AG.
    After I held off on the Captain Clutch jokes during Jeter’s strikeout, too. ;-)

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 4:30 pm
  • Worse yet, he’s taking throws from Farns. Ugh…I can’t watch.
    One out, though. Maybe he’s turned over a new leaf?

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 4:32 pm
  • Following Lar’s storyline about guys doing it with the glove and then the bat, Konerko plants one out past the left field wall. Thanks, Farnsy. You’re a champ.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • Ya, I was about to say. Grumbles, Farns should get the loss for this one. Just because.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:35 pm
  • Michael Kay talking out his ass about “brain synapses” now. I don’t know how you YFs tolerate this drivel day in and day out.

    mp August 2, 2007, 4:37 pm
  • So much for my optimism. Way to go Kyle. Can’t we just DFA this piece of dog dung?

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 4:38 pm
  • Paul: “heh” for me means I laughed out loud; I don’t like the traditional “lol” for some reason. Anyway, your reply was the sort of one-off comment that makes me chuckle. Also, I was in a good mood at that moment.
    Not so much now. Oh well, I suppose that dinger from the other Paul was because Torre pitched Farns too recently. Or not enough as of recently. Or because the cause Torre pitch him at all? So confused.
    Now Farns gives Dye a fatty to send into the black seats *GROAN*

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • Kyle’s curtain call is in serious jeopardy now…

    mp August 2, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • And Robi with another E, on an 0-2 easy grounder with two away.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • So did Molina come in just because it was Farns pitching? If so, that’s seriously wrong.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • No harm as the next batter (Erstad?) flies out to right.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • These terrible games from the Yanks give me hope that the Sox either a. won’t have tof ace them in the playoffs or b. won’t have trouble with them in the playoffs…

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 4:42 pm
  • Why, Torre, why? For the love of all that is sacred and holy do you continue to run that idiot out there to pitch? Did Villone not have one more inning in him?

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 4:43 pm
  • Villone was at 36 pitches, though surely Torre could’ve done better. This is effing insane.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:50 pm
  • ARod takes ball one high, then ball two away. Neither were any where near a decent pitch. The next pitch looked pretty good, but a bit away for 3-0. The next pitch is a strike on the outside corner; Alex taking all the way. The 3-1: Alex swings over what looked like a split it to make it full. The payoff: another split to K Alex, who will of course garner a front page shot for how he let the Yanks down right there.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:50 pm
  • I have a little bit of a sports-mancrush on Kyle Farnsworth. I mean seriously, I used to love Proctor, but now, ‘ol Kyle has all the love to himself.
    Way to be Kyle, and I especially love the smile you gave the crowd while being boo’d mecilessy from the mound to the dugout. It just lets me know you hate it there as much as we, as Sox fans, love having you there.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 4:53 pm
  • And the Yanks go down easily in the 8th.
    Bah, this one just has bad written all over it.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 4:54 pm
  • Lar,
    Joe can only use the guys that Cashman gives him, and with the added bullpen help that the Yankees traded for, err, nevermind.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Just read a rumor on roto: Farnsworth, Igawa and cash to KC for the promise that the Yanks will send another player to be named later.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • that’s funny, ag.
    I doubt KC goes for it though.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • Matsui, Molina and Cano for the Yankees in the bottom half of the ninth. Help us Robi Wan Canobi.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:01 pm
  • No way is the Yanks bullpen light out…hell, it’s barely a dimmer switch this year.
    But, what in Kyle’s recent track record makes Joe think he’s the best option to bring into a game that we still have (had?) a shot at winning.
    Henn just struck out the top of the order to get us through the ninth. I’m guessing he could have had similar success last inning. Sure as hell would have been better than what we wound up with.

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • Okay Jenks. You just need to give up 4 runs.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • That should be “lights out.”

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • > best option
    After last night, unless he wanted to burn a starter, Farns and Henn are the only two guys not named Rivera he could use that were fresh.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:05 pm
  • Right, so why not send Henn out in the eighth instead of Farns? If we go ahead, Mo closes it.
    Cue the Liza Minelli version… :(

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 5:09 pm
  • Cano gets rung up on a questionable curve from Jenks. That didn’t look a strike, but ball game.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:09 pm
  • > so why not send Henn .. instead of Farns?
    I agree with the theory, but the answer is 5.7M vs. 0.38M, unfortunately

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:10 pm
  • This blows. And everyone won, so another game lost.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 5:13 pm
  • Tribe won, so NY is -3 wc.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:13 pm
  • Cash offered Kyle Farnsworth and money to LA instead of Proctor but the Dodgers were only willing to give back Betemit’s Topps card in return.

    walein August 2, 2007, 5:14 pm
  • So, are we all Sox fans this weekend, rooting for Seattle to get buried? I think I have to hold my nose and hope the M’s get blasted three straight.

    nettles-yf August 2, 2007, 5:17 pm
  • Walein: that’s a great line.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:20 pm
  • Apparently, Johnny Damon lost his cool on the post-game interview and said that maybe the best thing would have been to trade him when Giambi gets back to the team.
    Perhaps, Johnny doesn’t know anything about the trade deadline?
    I get that from a LoHud Commenter near the bottom, and they’re talking about it now on Around the Horn.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 5:20 pm
  • > So, are we all Sox fans this weekend
    No. Wait, I meant HELL no. I want an M’s sweep.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • wow.
    Questioning his role on the Yankees.
    Sometimes I love when he talks.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 5:23 pm
  • Brad August 2, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • Uh, I have a feeling Johnny might clear waivers with that contract. Plus, the Sox can’t block, necessarily, if they thought the Yankees were getting something good in return — the Yankees could claim their target and work out a trade, since they are behind in the standings.
    Damon asks out — that’s a BIG story!!!

    SF August 2, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • Brad, I don’t know what the Yankees can say to Damon, considering what is available at every position where he could fit; he’s just outmatched. It’s not his fault, and I think the Yankees should help him move to where he can get playing time. Until then, I would hope he would smile, collect his check and play when called upon, but it is obvious really wants to be on the field partially to have a chance at another contract, but also because he obviously loves to play the game: no one can question that. He still can contribute to a roster. SF is right. His vocalization of dissatisfaction is a story.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • eh, he’s always ran his mouth at the worst time.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 5:37 pm
  • what would be the odds of the Red Sox picking him up? Ha, now that’s a funny, funny thought.
    he comes back to Boston and talks a bunch of smack about NY. It’s almost worth it. Almost.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 5:38 pm
  • It seems there hasn’t been much acknowledgement among the general sporting press about how wrong most everyone was about that deal when it was first made…
    I guess I’m not surprised, since that means a lot of people would have to acknowledge their mistakes. On the other hand, this may provide the catalyst.

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 5:52 pm
  • It’s not his fault
    Whose fault is it, though? You can chalk his performance up to age and deteriorating health from all the tremendous effort he’s given throughout his fine career, but really, Damon was given every chance to be a contributor this year and hasn’t lived up to expectations. It’s nobody’s fault but his own that he’s not playing.

    SF August 2, 2007, 5:54 pm
  • Trade him to KC for Gil Meche

    Seth August 2, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • > Whose fault is it, though?
    Great question. On one hand, I see your point that he is directly responsible for his performance. On the other hand, it is not (always, necessarily) a question of fault in my mind. Just because someone has been outperformed by someone else it does not require an exacting of blame. It is just not realistic, taking the whole of the dynamic of the game into consideration
    This smells like we are talking semantics, since what I was attempting to say was that it’s not worth trying to place blame. It is true that statistics bear that there is likely someone more suitable for day-to-day play on the Yankees roster in the positions that Damon can play, and I could easily say, “it’s his fault he was only good enough 5 times out of 20 instead of 6 or 7,” but it doesn’t thoroughly describe every circumstance. If NY can find a place for him to go play the game daily as he desires while getting something back they really need, they should do it. To make a one-to-one comparison between Damon (in this case) and any other player doesn’t really give him the benefit of the complexity of the game and his talent to work with those complexities as much credit as needed for me to be comfortable with saying, “It’s his fault.” Summary: trade him for someone the Yankees need, because they don’t really need him now, and need him less when Giambi comes back.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 6:37 pm
  • trade him for someone the Yankees need, because they don’t really need him now, and need him less when Giambi comes back.
    This is a remarkable proclamation — not because it comes from you, Gerb — but because Damon had such a decent year last year and his dropoff has been precipitous. Did you ever imagine you’d be writing that comment just 20 months after Damon signed his contract? Sox fans who did think that this would happen were (mostly) written off as having sour grapes that Damon went to the Yankees, and perhaps a smidgen of the stuff written was based on that, though for the most part those who felt the Yankees made a mistake were correct.
    I think the Damon naysayers who questioned the wisdom of the contract back when he signed with the Yankees can properly be equated with those who felt the Iraq war would be a boondoggle, a huge mistake. They were derided as peaceniks, as doves fearful of the great enemy, but guess what: they were right.

    SF August 2, 2007, 7:21 pm
  • It’s interesting, I was one of the SFs that was not upset to see Damon go, don’t get me wrong, I loved the guy, but I knew this was going to happen, he was just far too reckless with his body for him to keep it up. Granted, his style of play that led to this was exactly why I loved him.
    I’m also hearing a lot of Yankee fans, offline fans, that are still in a bit of denial, some even going as far to say that his year last year was worth it alone.
    The jury is in, Theo was right about both Pedro and Damon.

    LocklandSF August 2, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • SF: That’s kakimame, the Iraq comparison. I’m not going to dignify that. Anyway, it’s a bit early to be coming to any conclusions regarding either his or Coco’s contracts. For last year and much of this Coco was a nonentity and Sox fans were regretting the signing. Damon was solid last year, and now he has kind of a tough run due to the injuries and now his contract was the mistake.
    The Yanks new what they were getting when they signed Damon, they knew the risk, and concluded that given the market what they were going to pay was going to be acceptable, and that they could live with the jelly arm.

    YF August 2, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • they could live with the jelly arm.
    What about the jelly legs and jelly ribs and jelly brain and…well, you get the idea.

    SF August 2, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • SF: That’s kakimame, the Iraq comparison.
    Many Sox fans were derided for deriding the Yankees signing Damon because of sour grapes, not because there was a sound factual and rational reason for thinking it was a mistake. I stand by the comparison.

    SF August 2, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • That’s just it YF, I don’t tink it’s injuries in the traditional sense of the word. It’s like a 5 year old car driven by a teenager, it usually has the wear of a 15 year old car.

    LocklandSF August 2, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • I think if the Yankees had been more firm about DLing Damon earlier in the year when all of those injuries were piling up, things might be different now. I was not a huge fan of the signing, specifically because of the years and position he would be playing. Of course, anyone who says they predicted a complete collapse in Damon’s stats during his SECOND season are not remembering what they said in the past correctly.

    walein August 2, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • I think even the SFs who panned the deal were saying wait until Damon’s THIRD year. He very well could rebound, but I agree with Walein. No one thought the deal would start looking bad just two years in.

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 11:57 pm
  • “Of course, anyone who says they predicted a complete collapse in Damon’s stats during his SECOND season are not remembering what they said in the past correctly.”
    My words may ring hollow because I wasn’t here at the time of the signing, and I can’t really remember making any predictions about Damon before this season began. That said, what I do remember thinking at the time was that Damon’s decline would be sudden and ball-breaking. As so many have pointed out, he’s spent his entire career running into things and playing through injuries. As refreshing as that is to see, it’s not a good recipe for graceful aging and a slow decline.
    I don’t think I specifically expected a 2007 collapse, though, just that when “It” happened everyone would notice. 2007-2008, perhaps. That said, look at Johnny’s September of 2006. (.205/.286/.307) Could have been just a bad month, but it sure looks like something of a harbinger now, doesn’t it?

    Josh SF (D1) August 3, 2007, 2:07 am
  • I think YF might be missing my point (I thought about this a little overnight), which isn’t about the acquisitions of Crisp or Damon themselves, but rather about the accusations hurled towards those who thought the Damon signing was highly risky. It seems to me that there was very little leeway given to those (SFs in particular) who felt signing Damon was risky (or conversely, that letting him go wasn’t a mistake). The sentiment from many YFs was that this rationale (being OK with Damon leaving thinking he’d decline) was not based in sound logic, but only in sour grapes (spurned Sox fans of the world unite!). I don’t mean to make a blanket judgment about the transactions, since their full lives haven’t been lived.

    SF August 3, 2007, 6:23 am
  • I’m still going nowhere near SF’s crap here. But I really don’t understand why we’ve hung JD out to dry here. I seem to recall thinking it was a decent move at the time, and I also thought the Sox acquisition of Crisp was excellent.
    Anyway, Damon hasn’t tragically deteriorated. He’s hitting at his career OBP right now (note: higher than crisp), this DESPITE his injury problems. The injury has clearly hurt his slugging, which we might expect to rebound as he regains health. So he hasn’t declined precipitously at all. Injuries happen. They certainly happened to Crisp. The issue for Damon now is his less than stirring defense, compared to that of Melky Cabrera, whose emergence, let’s ALL remember please, no one predicted at all. I’m not sure there’s really an issue here. There’s room on the Yanks for 4 outfielders at the moment, and a healthy JD is a pretty good weapon. As for the dollar value of the contract, well, yes, it’s higher than ideal, but we’ll see what a top of the line FA signs for this year with Hunter. It won’t be cheap. Take a step back from the ledge folks. Johnny was frustrated not to be in a game the other day, and now this is all blown way out of proportion. .

    YF August 3, 2007, 9:00 am
  • I did a quick search of this site and I’m not sure what SF is referring to. On this site at least, most YF’s thought the move/non-move made sense for both teams.
    I basically thought it was a reasonable move made by both teams. The Yanks didn’t have the pieces to acquire a young centerfielder like Crisp or Jeremy Reed (thank god for that!) and Damon was a nice fit. What has been lucky for the Yanks is that despite Damon’s collapse, it seems that they no longer have to worry about filling the centerfield position in the future. Melky has emerged big time this year. His fielding is well-regarded and he’s more than competent defensively. Even if Damon resurrects his career (and like YF, I’m not ready to say he’s finished after little more than half-a-season), it would be wise of the Yanks to trade him.

    Nick-YF August 3, 2007, 9:09 am
    Only Eliza Dushku could make such a crappy shirt look so darn good…

    John - YF (Trisk) August 3, 2007, 9:33 am
  • I know a much cuter Eliza who is most definitely a YF.

    YF August 3, 2007, 11:02 am
  • Is that your daughter’s name YF?

    John - YF (Trisk) August 3, 2007, 11:18 am
  • Indeed

    YF August 3, 2007, 11:44 am
  • Just catching up since what I said yesterday. Interesting points.
    > Did you ever imagine you’d be writing that comment just 20 months after Damon signed his contract
    No, I did not. I did think I would be saying something like that in his third season or fourth season. It just got bumped up a bit by the quality of Melky’s game and the detioration of Damon’s this season.
    > Johnny was frustrated not to be in a game the other day, and now this is all blown way out of proportion.
    That’s a fair point. There is the question of next year and what to do about Abreu.

    attackgerbil August 3, 2007, 11:52 am
  • That’s easy AG, we don’t pick up that option. No way. Let Bobby walk. I haven’t even begun to look at the FA OF’s for next year, but I can’t see the sense in signing him to the money he could command.
    As for Johnny, I am sure he could still help this team but the problem is with Giambi coming back where does he play? I am not going for that 1B stuff either. I love to see Melky in the game everyday. He is a spark and I like the effect he has on this team. I wouldn’t be heartbroken in Johnny went a walkin.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 3, 2007, 12:01 pm
  • Eh, I overstated my case. I did a long reading of the archives, and though there was spirited debate about the Damon move (in particular YF and I got into it over how skillful the Yankees’ signing of Damon actually was: it wasn’t at all, for the re-record!), the only really off-base comment I could find was some hit and run artist named “Bronxborn” citing the Damon non-signing as evidence of a Marlins-esque dismantling of the Red Sox, and a sign that they were at the end of their loose walletish ways. Where have you gone, Bronxborn!?

    SF August 3, 2007, 12:58 pm
  • > That’s easy AG, we don’t pick up that option
    I agree completely, and misspoke. I meant to ask, “what do we do about RF?”

    attackgerbil August 3, 2007, 1:03 pm
  • I’ve always been a big fan of Abreu, though this was before he came to the Yanks. The world of talent is there, but something’s just off.
    Ya, I still totally wished we signed Vlad.

    Lar August 3, 2007, 1:09 pm
  • Notable Free Agent OF’s ’08 Class:
    Bobby Abreu (34)
    Andruw Jones (31)
    Torii Hunter (32)
    Eric Byrnes (32)
    Corey Patterson (28)
    Milton Bradley (30)
    Aaron Rowand (30)
    Obviously I like Jones, but not sure he comes to NY. After him I would really make a push for Byrnes if the $ is right. He plays all 3 OF positions well, he can bat anywhere in the lineup, some pop, some speed and would bring a ton of energy to the team.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 3, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • Completel list of Outfielders
    * = ’08 Option
    Bobby Abreu * NYY
    Moises Alou * NYM
    Milton Bradley SD
    Eric Byrnes ARZ
    Mike Cameron SD
    Brady Clark BOS
    Jeff DaVanon ARZ
    Adam Dunn * CIN
    Jermaine Dye CWS
    Darin Erstad * CWS
    Kosuke Fukudome, Chunichi, Japan
    Luis Gonzalez LAD
    Shawn Green* NYM
    Eric Hinske BOS
    Torii Hunter MIN
    Geoff Jenkins * MIL
    Andruw Jones ATL
    Bobby Kielty OAK
    Rob Mackowiak * SD
    Orlando Palmeiro HOU
    Corey Patterson BAL
    Aaron Rowand PHI
    Reggie Sanders KC
    Brad Wilkerson TEX

    John - YF (Trisk) August 3, 2007, 2:17 pm
  • I don’t know why, and maybe it’s Johnny Damon’s style tha spoiled me a bit, but I would love to get Aaron Rowand from that list. I love the way the guy plays, but I don’t think Philly lets him go – we go there every year, and they LOVE him there. I’d also take Dye with a smile as well, obviously. He loves the Yankee pitching staff. ha.

    Brad August 3, 2007, 2:44 pm
  • Fukudome is a free agent; I foresee the Yankees going hard after this guy.

    SF August 3, 2007, 2:52 pm

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