Offer

n.

1. A presenting of something for acceptance.

2. An undertaking to do an act or give something on condition that the party to whom the proposal is made do some specified act or make a return promise.

3. What the Red Sox have reportedly made to Mark Teixeira, comprising an unknown number of years and dollars, perhaps a morsel of food or simply a request that Scott Boras kiss Theo Epstein's non-gullible keister.

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  • Apparently Teixeira’s told ESPN he is close to signing with a team.
    Of course, given his stated desire to sign before Christmas, I’d be pretty surprised if he weren’t close.

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 11:18 am
  • I hope Tex’s comment coincides with the Sox making an offer. I hope it’s more in the 8/160 range than 8/200, but I think he’s absolutely worth at least 22mil a year. Gold glove defense, amazing offense, and he’s as healthy as can be. Definitely what the Sox need, if it ends up happening.

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 11:31 am
  • It should be fun to revisit this contract, relative to Burnett, in five years time. Then the Yanks will be done while the Sox will have three more years, at $60 million, committed to a 110 OPS+ guy who’s their full-time DH. Youkilis won’t have the range for 3B, so that will be a nice collision of playing time at 1B. Can’t wait to see what they trade Lars Anderson for. Meanwhile, what do Ortiz and Beckett expect in extensions now that the payroll structure was just blown up for an above average, but not great, first baseman?
    Welcome to the ballclub Will Clark! You make no sense whatsoever for this team!

    Dave SF December 16, 2008, 11:36 am
  • *yawn*
    Wow, that argument just got real tired.

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 11:42 am
  • *belch*
    So did the argument that Teixeira is something special.
    Last I checked you finally came around to the fact that he’s somewhere between Will Clark, Carlos Delgado, and Fred McGriff (except his peak season has fallen short of all of them). Where do they sign up for their $200 million?
    Like I said, I can’t wait for Beckett to expect his $20 million and Papi too. All this talk of them not having the cash is BS if they go through with this signing. Let the line start forming now. But it will be much easier to make their case when the overpriced 1B is at a 130 OPS+ in two years time.

    Dave SF December 16, 2008, 11:52 am
  • Oh I see what you did there AYF Dave, you replaced Tex’s name with Will Clark’s, to indicate you think he’ll suck!
    Very clever stuff. And all too familiar.

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 11:55 am
  • Funny thing about that study: I said his career arc is different from all of his top comparables. Turns out, and I know this is hard to believe, every player has a different career! I was stunned!
    But when two of your top comps hit nearly 500 home runs and all would easily have commanded close to or more than $20 million in this salary market, you’re probably in line for a pretty good career when you’re just now entering your peak seasons.
    Since I’m a fan and don’t cut the paychecks, I find myself not nearly as worried about the finances as long as they don’t cripple the team. Given the huge number of young players the Sox now have in key roles, that seems incredibly unlikely.
    But hey, if you want to get heartburn titlting at windmills, be my guest. No skin off my nose.

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 12:00 pm
  • Will Clark never sucked. He was just never worth $20 million/year and most certainly not after age 28.
    Get your facts straight.

    Dave SF December 16, 2008, 12:02 pm
  • Get your facts straight.
    Sorry, next time I’ll point out his career road numbers as a way to support my already-formed opinion of him, instead of digging deeper to try to assess his true value.

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 12:12 pm
  • A career arc where a player peaked at age 27 and 28? Shocking! Like no other player who’s ever played the game!
    You’re right. Teixeira is different.
    Peaks:
    Carlos Delgado (181 OPS+ – age 28)
    Will Clark (175 OPS+ – age 25)
    Fred McGriff (166 OPS+ – ages 25, 28)
    Mark Teixeira (151 OPS+ – age 28)
    Funny, that you say you’re a fan as an out from objectivity. I’m a fan and yet I can take off the rose-colored glasses when reviewing numbers.

    Dave SF December 16, 2008, 12:13 pm
  • In 1991, Will Clark was the third-highest-paid player in baseball.
    In 2008, the third-highest-paid player in baseball earned $21.6 million.

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 12:19 pm
  • I dunno who Dave is and what his motivations are but Paul you can hardly call someone out for giving an opinion like his when you have been the biggest backer/cheerleader for Tex since the sox got eliminated in October. This wouldnt be much different than your post this weekend where you compared and took the sox pitchers over the yankees: its just a difference in opinion, history will determine what the answer is.

    Sam-YF December 16, 2008, 12:19 pm
  • You forgot something:
    In 1991, Will Clark was 27 years old.

    Dave SF December 16, 2008, 12:22 pm
  • > the fact that he’s somewhere between Will Clark, Carlos Delgado, and Fred McGriff (except his peak season has fallen short of all of them). Where do they sign up for their $200 million?
    That argument starts poorly, considering the dearth of available power (and incidentally, switch) hitting first-baseman who happen to be plus fielders heading into their theoretical peak production years in this market, and ends nonsensically.
    > Will Clark never sucked.
    Opinion, but I agree with that opinion when thinking year-to-year.
    > He was just never worth $20 million/year and most certainly not after age 28.
    Opinion. Paul is right; in today’s market, Clark at age 28 would easily fetch 20 million.
    > Get your facts straight
    State a fact. And check your antagonism at the door.

    attackgerbil December 16, 2008, 12:25 pm
  • Anatomy of an AYF post:
    1st paragraph: Sarcastic comment taking someone else’s post out of context.
    2nd paragraph: An additional, but shorter, sarcastic comment.
    3rd paragraph: Cherry-picked or misused statistics to support one of the statements above, devoid of context.
    4th paragraph: Closing statement with personal attack, or a reiteration of the sarcastic comments made above.

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 12:26 pm
  • Craptards. AG broke the internets!

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 12:27 pm
  • Tubes be fixed.

    attackgerbil December 16, 2008, 12:28 pm
  • Sam, who’s calling out whom? Have I told anyone they cannot state an opinion on this issue? Have I told anyone to “get (their) facts straight”? Apologies if I find it tedious to debate the same microportion of an argument over and over again with someone who states the same opinion as if it’s fact with no actual basis. It’s reminiscent of a poster we all came to loathe here, and as such, I am henceforth taking the same tack with “Dave” as I did with him: Disengagement.

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 12:30 pm
  • Fixed both the bold-blitzkrieg AND my double-post. Tip o’ the cap.

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 12:30 pm
  • Teixeira is different.
    And here’s the problem. Why are we assuming that Teixeira’s peak season is at age 28? It makes sense that his comparable players all had peaks at age 28 or earlier because those are his comps through age 28. Oops.
    Or would we have had this argument about Willie McCovey — who is on Teixeira’s list of comparables but peaked at age 31? How about Thome — one of his Top 5 comps (who you conveniently leave out of your discussion) who also peaked at age 31?
    Poor arguments based on faulty assumptions stated with antagonistic certainty do nothing but destroy your own credibility.

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 12:41 pm
  • if you say so Paul your second comment on this thread had plenty of snark too. However, if it is our old long lost “friend’ then I too will move on…

    Sam-YF December 16, 2008, 12:48 pm
  • So what is it now, 60 days until pitchers and catchers report?

    Atheose December 16, 2008, 12:52 pm
  • It is, Sam.

    SF December 16, 2008, 12:59 pm
  • From ESPN’s home page:
    Karl Ravech says the Teixeira sweepstakes are nearing a conclusion and indications are that the free agent has “an enormous attraction to the Orioles.”
    This is, at the very least, a weird way to describe things. Did Peter Angelos body-swap with Jessica Biel?

    SF December 16, 2008, 1:02 pm
  • Wouldn’t that make Jeter jealous?

    Paul SF December 16, 2008, 1:16 pm
  • Dear Sant’ Angelos,
    All I want for X-Mas is for the Orioles to be relevant again. Please make it happen.
    Big Dave Naulty.

    Dave SF December 16, 2008, 1:16 pm
  • > “an enormous attraction to the Orioles.”
    He’s said as much for years, but that is inded an obtuse way of phrasing it.

    attackgerbil December 16, 2008, 1:25 pm
  • I’ve heard there’s a mini-black hole in the heart of Camden Yards.

    AndrewYF December 16, 2008, 2:37 pm
  • so, is “dave” “rob”?…
    is “rob” “a.yf”…funny stuff…

    dc December 16, 2008, 8:07 pm
  • you got it, dc.
    Funny indeed, buddy.

    Brad December 17, 2008, 12:47 am

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