One Sweepy Afternoon: Twins-Yanks Gamer VII

Mike Mussina can tie Cliff Lee for the league-lead with 13 wins and the Yanks can win 10 straight home games for the first time since 1998 (they won a few games that year).  But most importantly, the Yankees can extend a post-all-star-game mojo that has filtered through every part of the team – starting rotation, bullpen, and offense (let’s not talk about the bottom third of the lineup) – before heading north to face-off against Boston.

Pitching for the Twinkies is southpaw Glen Perkins, who has won 5 straight decisions since the last game he lost on May 30 against…a Mike Mussina-led Yankee team.  Hopefully the Yanks will stay focused on who is in front of them and not what awaits in Boston.  Keep those bats warm fellas and let’s all try to acknowledge roll-call in between plays and not during them today!

Work productivity about to go in the toilet for the next 3-4 hours…comment away!!!!

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  • Rays already down 2-0 to the A’s. [Borat voice] Very nice! [/borat voice]

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 1:00 pm
  • I was just going to say that! Also, with those two HRs, Shields’ ERA is actually higher than Greg Smith’s.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:02 pm
  • I was just going to say that! Also, with those two HRs, Shields’ ERA is actually higher than Greg Smith’s.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:02 pm
  • Before the current 9 straight at home, the Yanks were only 1 game over .500 at home. Now they are 10 games over .500 at home, and 10 games over .500 overall, which means they’re .500 away.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:05 pm
  • I can see where you get your mastery of numbers, Lar ;)

    A YF July 23, 2008, 1:10 pm
  • Moose starts off with an out.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:11 pm
  • ;P

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:12 pm
  • Casilla K’s.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:13 pm
  • Moose with a quick 1-2-3, and here’s JD leading off for the Yanks!

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:14 pm
  • Moose with 11 pitches, 9 for strikes thus far.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:15 pm
  • Hehe gameday keeps confusing Moose’s fastball with his changeup!

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 1:15 pm
  • JD grounds out easily. One out.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:16 pm
  • There’s supposed to be a huge storm coming later today. Didn’t bring my umbella to work. D’oh.
    But let’s hope the Yanks score some quick runs, end the game quickly before we have to contemplate it..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:18 pm
  • Jeter runs the count full before lining out to Casilla.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:19 pm
  • Perkins didn’t work harder than Moose – 11 pitches after 1. No score.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:22 pm
  • Moose cruising (knock on wood) so far – 20 pitches over 2 1-2-3 innings.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:26 pm
  • Oh ya, Sexson batting 5th this game, and Christian batting last.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:27 pm
  • ARod pops out, and here’s Sexson.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:28 pm
  • Sexson lines out on one pitch. Way to work that one..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:29 pm
  • Sexson batting ahead of Cano is a joke.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 1:30 pm
  • Would be very very bummed is another Moose start got rained out, but supposedly it will be spotty t-storms and nothing really sustained…we’ll see.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 1:30 pm
  • Cano singles, and then Melky is out on one pitch too. 20 pitches for Perkins.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 1:31 pm
  • I never ever ever understand why Cano throughout his still brief career hardly ever cracks the #6 spot in the order. The lefty-righty thing goes out the window for me when Cano is in one of his .500+ BA stretches.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 1:32 pm
  • I haven’t tried this tactic in a while, but the Twins really don’t deserve to be considered a Major League ballclub. Talk about overachievers so far this season – they’ll be lucky to score a run today and I give them about a 1/100 chance of winning this game.

    SF July 23, 2008, 1:33 pm
  • Cano singles, but that’s all the Yankees got. 19 pitches for Perkins.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:33 pm
  • Harris breaks up the perfect game.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:34 pm
  • Moose got out of that one quickly again – 33 pitches through 3.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:39 pm
  • 27 pitches through 3 for Perkins. This is going to be a quick game if this pace continues.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 1:45 pm
  • The Yanks not hitting yet, and not driving up the pitch count either.. 27 pitches through 3 for Perkins.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:46 pm
  • Bloop single with one out and Morneau coming up…

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 1:49 pm
  • Moose pumping strikes.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 1:50 pm
  • Moose up to 50 pitches after 4. Still a good game, if the Yanks can start hitting..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 1:56 pm
  • Shit, Rays take the lead.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 1:57 pm
  • Jeter with a lead off singles, but a fielder’s choice, a caught stealing, and a ground out later, Perkins at 37 pitches through 4. What the? At least get to their bullpen!

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:04 pm
  • Lamb with a lead off single as well.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:05 pm
  • Lunch time for me – let’s hope I get back to a Yanks lead!

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:06 pm
  • Moose has been mostly efficient thus far, but with little margin of error to work with – Perkins is even more economical.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:08 pm
  • Punto grounds into double play, and Moose is at 59 pitches after 5. Okay, I really need to get lunch.
    Still no score.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:09 pm
  • Moose looking really good out there, will go 7.0 easily barring a destructive inning.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 2:11 pm
  • Cano – another AB another H. It woudl be something if this kid could even out his performance just a little bit. I mean everyone is streaky at times, but he is either sub-zero or blazing hot.
    Melky singles – men on 1st and 2nd with one out and…..Molina and Christian coming up. Yikes.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:15 pm
  • Molina “beats out” the DP – sort of – and Justin Christian with the biggest AB of his life – 1st and 3rd in scoreless game…

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:16 pm
  • Way to capitalize on Casilla’s brain cramp

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 2:18 pm
  • 2-RBI triple (double plus advance on throw) for Christian! Holy Christian! Totally didn’t see that coming. And as soon as I heard “they’re gonna send Molina, and here’s the throw…” I thought, just count the out, but the throw was wide. Woo-hoo!!!! Come on Johnny – tack on that extra run and then let’s get another Moose 1/2-inning to make this official before the rains come!

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:19 pm
  • Y’know, I have the stereotypical opponent attitude about Moose (he’s kinda whiny), but boy howdy, I looooove how he’s reinvented himself. Everybody had written him off and he becomes a control artist (a better one than Schilling was, as a counter-example).
    That game where he beaned Manny twice…the last at-bat between them where he struck him out was perfectly representative of what I think of the guy. He thought he had Manny on a pitch low and away, but the ump called it a ball. He rolled his eyes, asked the ump where the pitch was. Next pitch was the same, about four inches closer to Manny, and wham he K’s him. Put the ball right where he wanted to. That was a great moment, even though I was pissed.

    Devine July 23, 2008, 2:20 pm
  • I respect your ability to appreciate it even if he is wearing pinstripes. He has never been a favorite of mine but yeah – watching a freaky control artist is really fun, especially when you’re rooting for him. His ball movement and placement this year makes it seem like he’s tossing a wiffleball at times. It really is amazing.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:28 pm
  • DP ball after a leadoff single – nice. Let’s go Moose…

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:28 pm
  • Fucking Justin Christian!

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 2:33 pm
  • Nice play by Sexson after letting one slip by him for a cingle and a wild pick-off by Moose put the runner on 2nd. Inning over.
    Sexson’s range is 35 feet without taking any steps – he just reaches out his glove and falls from side to side and he covers dugout to second base.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:33 pm
  • Jeter slams double off the wall. Meat of the order coming up with no outs…

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:35 pm
  • Ball 4. Abreu on 1st, Jeter on 2nd. A-Rod, inexplicably Sexson, and then Cano…

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:37 pm
  • F*$king Sterling with the premature HR call, but it nevertheless scores Jeter and Abreu and A-Rod advances to 3rd on the throw.
    Me likey!!!!!! Smithers, release the hounds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:41 pm
  • Sexson sac flies – 5-0 Yanks.
    Drooling with crazed look in my eye.
    Cano – working on his 14-25 hitting streak since the all-star break – up…grounds out. Oh well.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:43 pm
  • ARod doubles in a few more runs. I’m REALLY pissed my fantasy league fucked up and never took him off the DL back in May.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 2:43 pm
  • Winning is fun.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:47 pm
  • You guys should pay me to go to lunch! ;)

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:51 pm
  • It’s simply amazing what Moose is doing this season…hard to imagine where we would be without him at the top of his game???

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:52 pm
  • In the meanwhile, the Rays are trying to hold a 4-2 against the A’s in the 8th inning.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:52 pm
  • Comeback player of the year?

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:53 pm
  • Lamb, the .225 hitter, is 2-3 today after a double.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:53 pm
  • Did fat bobby have a play on that ball for those not stuck at work?

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:54 pm
  • should read, “for those of us stuck at work”.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:55 pm
  • MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!! 7 strong.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:56 pm
  • Moose at 90 pitches after 7. Give the pen work? Or out for another?

    Lar July 23, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • I’m one of those at work so don’t know about Abreu…I do know that Moose just racked up yet another K. He’s a finicky corner-painting pouty pitching master and I love him!

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 2:57 pm
  • I guess if I can come back to loving Moose, I could give bobby another chance…but he HAS TO MAKE A PLAY IN RF! Dive or hit the wall, I don’t care which…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 2:58 pm
  • Perkins is done after 6. Wouldn’t have thought that before lunch! Was hoping though, haha.
    This game is probably official, by the way, so it doesn’t matter much if it rains, probably.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:00 pm
  • Christian works out a single..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:01 pm
  • Christian is saying “You don’t need Gardner!” and steals second. Though they’re up “only” by 5, so what’s the book on that again?
    Top of the order up. Another insurance run never hurts..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:02 pm
  • Derek Jeter…clap, clap, clap clap clap!!!

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:02 pm
  • The book Lar is score until they stop you…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • Seventh-innign stretch question:
    Is Bob Sheppard back, was that a tape of Bob or a guy who sounds a lot like Bob?

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • It so different to see them steal bases…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:04 pm
  • Shields is going for the complete game.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:06 pm
  • JD and Jeets not driving that run in. Bobby is up there now.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:06 pm
  • They are probably deleting them on you A!!! Walk booby so ARod gets some more RBI’s!!!

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:06 pm
  • Edwar in the 8th or Moose?

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:07 pm
  • that a boy fat bobby…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • Abreu strikes out, so they wasted a leadoff “double” by Christian.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • IBM, if it was on Jeter’s AB that you heard Sheppard then yes, that is a recording. Jeter has said he never wants to be introduced by another voice, even after Sheppard retires, so he is alwasy introduced with a Sheppard recording.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:10 pm
  • Moose it is…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:10 pm
  • Moose out there, 99 pitches, 70 for strikes.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:14 pm
  • Moose with another K, trying to close out the 8th. Superb performance. Again.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:14 pm
  • Lar, thanks for the breakdown – that’s amazing. 70% strikes is – well, yeah – amazing.
    And he ends it with a K. Hoo-wahh!

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:17 pm
  • As script would have it, Moose out of the 8th with 105 pitches. Should he go back out there? Or if the Yanks lose, it’s his fault?

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:17 pm
  • 105 pitches, 73 for strikes. 6 hits, 7 K’s, 0 ER in 8 IP for Moose. That’s a pretty solid outing.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:17 pm
  • A – I don’t think you were censored – I have random trouble with the posts too (sometimes I double post because of this..)

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:18 pm
  • No way Lar – at least not in my view. Our bullpen has been lights-out and a 5-run lead is huge. We are I think 37-1 when leading after 6 innings and most of those have required the pen to get much more than 3 outs. Moose left to a nice ovation and Eiland had checked in with him before the final batter so I think he is really done.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:18 pm
  • Joe Nathan comes in to get some work.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:18 pm
  • Sorry, I was trying to draw some parallel to Santana.. ;)

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:19 pm
  • Who, by the way, pitched 8 IP, 105 pitches yesterday – which was the “as script would have it” part of the comment..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:20 pm
  • .. and all over the NY newspapers for not finishing the game. I don’t know why it took me three posts to explain it. Ah well.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:21 pm
  • Nathan grounds ARod out.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:21 pm
  • Percival comes in to save it out for the Rays – they won 4-3.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:23 pm
  • Damnit, Rays win!

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 3:24 pm
  • Nathan pitches 1-2-3 for the Twins and someone will try to close the game out. Mo getting in work?

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:25 pm
  • what ad hominem are you talking about A? This seems like a rather average game thread.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • Lar:
    We have Terms of Service. This site has some standards that we try to hew to, sometimes it is difficult. Sometimes the heat of the moment gets the best of some regulars and they lash out, these instances we try to discourage. Certain posters have brazenly and repeatedly flaunted the Terms of Service and in insulting fashion, despite polite requests to cease this activity. We have, as moderators, a responsibility to do our best to make sure that people are held accountable for their actions. If posters refuse to contact us as requested in confidence and in private to discuss our concerns so that we can avoid any actions like unpublishing comments, then we have to take action. We can’t allow commenters to post insults targeting anyone incessantly and in nasty fashion. We do our best to iron out all these issues offline and in confidence in the interest of as free a debate as is possible, but sometimes these efforts are unilaterally rejected. We are not interested in this as a regular practice, but sometimes things get a little out of control and we need to do something about it.

    SF July 23, 2008, 3:27 pm
  • hawkins SUCKS!!!! i’m having a hard time getting on the website and seeing the threads today…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:27 pm
  • Hawkins it is.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:30 pm
  • Casilla singles, and then to second on a wild pitch. Ack.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:31 pm
  • Redmond grounds out, but does not move the runner over. So one out, Casilla at second, and here’s Morneau.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:32 pm
  • Much as I would like to believe otherwise, I don’t thin he’s bad enough to lose this game. Now it’s “must win” for the Sox in an hour.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 3:32 pm
  • Mo time yet? This guy is horrible.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:33 pm
  • Lar: sorry that I missed your clever Santana reference – I love it – as I love all things that bring misery to Mets fans.
    On the issue SF addresses, I would say he and other moderators have been exceptionally patient with certain insulting posters. It’s a pain in the butt to have incessant rule-violators ruining the experience for others here and if all efforts are made to address the situation fairly but are rebuffed/ignored by the person in question, you really have no choice.
    1st and 3rd, one out. Let’s go LaTroy.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:33 pm
  • K for LaTroy. Nice. One more out for Moose’s lucky 13…

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:34 pm
  • One more…we want the shutout!!!

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:34 pm
  • Bye-bye shutout. 1st and 3rd. Girardi yanks Hawkins for Mo. Good move Joe. I know you want to build these guys’ collective confidence but enough is enough. With the tying run still on deck Mo has a bit of breathing room still and will get the save if he converts.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • Tell me they are booing the #@%& out of this piece of garbage???? Why is he still on the roster????

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • Morneau singles Casilla to third, Young strikes out, but Lamb singles to bring Casilla in.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • Thank god…Mo time.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:36 pm
  • Ah, the good old one out “the tying run is on the on-deck circle” save opportunity.

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • In addition to echoing everything SF said, I would add that it is I who has been arguably the most vocal in internal discussion in encouraging more aggressive comment removal in keeping with the TOS due to recent comments that ranged far past decency and decorum, and this position has been met with unilateral agreement by the other authors.

    attackgerbil July 23, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • Bruney may take his slot next week Krueg if he doesn’t take Geise’s. Robertson seems likely to stick for a while.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • I second IH on the patience of the moderators here in regards to some recent posts. They’ve bent over backwards. I do not however agree with the “Let’s go LaTroy” business.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • I have to think that spot would be better served to a young guy or something? Hawkins has done nothing this year…waste of a roster spot IH.
    Robertson has looked pretty good.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:39 pm
  • And Mo ends the game for a cheap save! 10 straight at home, and undefeated after the All-Star break. Go Yanks!

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:40 pm
  • AG, I doubt anyone will cry a river on this one – the complaints received on and offline on the comments by this poster from YF and SF alike faaaar outweigh any support for them.
    And Mo seals it with a K. Grinning ear to ear.
    On to Boston.

    IronHorse (yf) July 23, 2008, 3:40 pm
  • horse, it was the Kate Smith intro. Safe to assume that it was a tape?
    Here’s hoping Bob gets back soon.
    and that was one tremendous start by Moose. (Dammit.)

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 3:40 pm
  • Mo with the cheap save. Yanks win 5-1.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 3:40 pm
  • A YF: i’ve defended you before man but you are so angry all the time. It seems you know quite a bit about baseball but in the immortal words of Edward. R. Murrow…”the message is the massage.” Maybe take the high road sometimes instead of lowering yourself to the level of those you seem to let get under your skin?
    (steps down off of soapbox)

    krueg July 23, 2008, 3:41 pm
  • Your problem is you people think we need to be friends to talk baseball. Sad really.
    I’ve given as much respect as I’ve received – and to the particular authors most especially.
    The loss of independent thought is sad for any community. It’s your loss.

    Andy YF July 23, 2008, 3:45 pm
  • I’ve given as much respect as I’ve received – and to the particular authors most especially.
    The vast majority of the viewiers on this site, including the unanimity of the moderators, disagree.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 3:47 pm
  • Where did the Twins come from anyhow? Weren’t they known as the team that couldn’t hit earlier in the season? Ah well..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 3:48 pm
  • Um, OK. Go find an online community that values independent thought over common courtesy and go post there. Y

    soxgirl July 23, 2008, 3:48 pm
  • Lar – The Twins, nothing. Where did these Yanks come from? I am still remembering (quite fondly) discussions from early June about whether they were ever going to break .500. Ah, the good old days.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 3:51 pm
  • since there’s no sox gamer up yet – Manny out with sore right knee today. – or is it the case of King Felix itis?

    dw (sf) July 23, 2008, 3:52 pm
  • “The vast majority of the viewiers on this site, including the unanimity of the moderators, disagree.”
    Not surprisingly, written by one of the original disrespectful FPTs.
    Soxgirl – check the archives. My common courtesy far outlasted what I received simply by being a contrastive voice.

    Andy YF July 23, 2008, 3:53 pm
  • Don’t worry Lar, they’ve been swept by the Sox and Yanks in the last two weeks. They were lucky enough to get to play the Tigers and Rangers in between though.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 3:53 pm
  • There’s a difference between independent thought and aggressive arrogance. A person can think independently and reflect those thoughts respectfully. It need not be done with such a nasty tone.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 3:53 pm
  • Atheose is disrespectful? Seriously? Cuz he called someone a village idiot in an early post today? Oh, sorry that was A.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 3:57 pm
  • RBF, obviously A is the victim here. He never did anything to provoke anybody. How dare you feel differently!

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 3:58 pm
  • Hey guys? There’s a rookie pitching a perfect game into the 7th for Detroit. Something to watch until the Sox game starts.

    soxgirl July 23, 2008, 3:59 pm
  • And krueg, I’m really not angry. If anything, I’m happy as shit with this team.
    But, yeah, I’m perturbed by the treatment I’ve received here. I got a ton of crap from other posters first, including disgusting ad hominem, and the moderators rarely said anything if at all.
    Then some of the moderators jumped into the fray with their own disgusting behavior. And none of the other moderators called them out.
    So yeah, I *eventually* responded to insults with insults. But if they had truly done as good a job of following their own TOS as when a mere mention of pot comes up, they’d have a better controlled dialogue.
    Instead it’s somehow my fault? Please.
    Meanwhile, I’ve said many more good things about the Sox than I ever read from Paul, for instance, about the Yankees. I love to talk baseball. Sue me.

    Andy YF July 23, 2008, 3:59 pm
  • “Atheose is disrespectful? Seriously? Cuz he called someone a village idiot in an early post today? Oh, sorry that was A.”
    Yes, and while making an argument that would have had him barred from the high school debate team.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 4:00 pm
  • Maybe he doesn’t like that GOD BLESS COCO thing you do. Whereas it tickles the hell out of me.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 4:00 pm
  • Not surprisingly, written by one of the original disrespectful FPTs.
    There’s certainly irony in your complaints considering the above content.

    SF July 23, 2008, 4:00 pm
  • If anyone else here has a problem with anything I’ve ever said please let me know now. I feel like I’ve been extremely courteous to the other visitors on this site and have tried my best to keep from antagonizing anyone.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 4:02 pm
  • “Hey guys? There’s a rookie pitching a perfect game into the 7th for Detroit.”
    Gallaraga, or Galarraga or Gallaragga. Something that could bode well for NYY, because it’s a pitcher Texas gave up on, not unlike one Sidney Ponson.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 4:02 pm
  • Dude, I just followed your lead.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 4:03 pm
  • And like I said, I never received any apology from you, SF. You have some nerve.

    Andy YF July 23, 2008, 4:03 pm
  • I guess he doesn’t RBF. I haven’t done it lately, though that’s Coco’s fault and not mine. I sure as hell would like to cheer to his success more often.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 4:03 pm
  • not any more, he gave up a hit. An impressive performance nonetheless.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 4:04 pm
  • BOOO, DeJesus broke up the perfect game in the 7th.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 4:05 pm
  • So what, now I’m allowed to post again?
    You guys really are a weird bunch…

    Andy YF July 23, 2008, 4:05 pm
  • I have class for the next few hours, so I’ll be missing the game. Root Bucky on for me, RBF.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 4:06 pm
  • A YF: I understand you feel attacked…many have but as mentioned by others your tone is so aggressive. I bet if you were just the bigger man and toned it down, all would be forgiven. I thought SF was pretty biased at first, but I realized my own biases were perhaps getting in the way of actual debate. That is all water under the bridge now. If you continue on your current path, no one here is going to want to talk with you about something you obviously are passionate about and that’s baseball. You are going to do what you want but if you like posting here and being a part of the conversation, perhaps you can relent a bit to the general consensus of the community? I like posting with you and think with a clean slate (ala no more FLT comments) it would be all good…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 4:06 pm
  • A – Have you apologized to ANYBODY on this site? Yet you’re demanding one from SF?

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 4:07 pm
  • Class Ath? What kind of fan are you? I am ignoring all attempts by my boss to make me get anything done so I can listen to the game.

    rootbeerfloat July 23, 2008, 4:09 pm
  • p.s. A- our conversation about something we both enjoy the other day that was deleted is understandable. Probably not the place for that conversation, you know?

    krueg July 23, 2008, 4:09 pm
  • Yeah A, I enjoy the majority of the baseball-related things you have to say… the problem is you qualify them all with aggressive personal attacks against the other commentors or the Sox FO, both unnecessarilly.

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 4:09 pm
  • Sorry RBF; I’ll be ignoring my future in-laws on Friday for the Beckett-Chamberlain game though. That restores some of my perceived fanaticism.
    Now I’m really out. Good luck Buchholz!

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 4:10 pm
  • Come on guys. You can’t leave out the specious rationalizations.
    (I’m joking. Really. Just joking.)

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 4:14 pm
  • “Have you apologized to ANYBODY on this site? Yet you’re demanding one from SF?”
    When appropriate, hell yeah I have. Just last week to Paul, in fact.
    “Probably not the place for that conversation, you know?”
    I could understand – but they allow disgusting ad hominem to stand – consistently. It’s less the place for that and I’ve said so since I arrived and received that hate, including from some moderators. If they were going to delete mentions of pot, they could certainly delete the disgusting ad hominem. They didn’t. Not once that I’ve seen.
    Atheose – you have exactly zero moral high ground here.

    A YF July 23, 2008, 4:15 pm
  • but they allow disgusting ad hominem to stand – consistently
    I don’t understand. Why is it “disgusting” to allow posters to use words that sound like other words?

    SF July 23, 2008, 4:17 pm
  • disgusting? From a guy who uses the nickname papsmear?

    soxgirl July 23, 2008, 4:21 pm
  • When have I ever used “papsmear”, Soxgirl?
    I’ve taken to calling him Papsy after the All-Star nonsense.

    Anonymous July 23, 2008, 4:30 pm
  • “Have you apologized to ANYBODY on this site? Yet you’re demanding one from SF?”
    When appropriate, hell yeah I have. Just last week to Paul, in fact.
    “Probably not the place for that conversation, you know?”

    Look, if that’s your standard for what qualifies as an “apology” then stop asking for mine, you’ve gotten it and you even had it within three hours of the original post in question over two months ago. You keep asking me for that apology for that ancient Ellsbury snark, but within that thread I was taken to task by my fellow commenters of both ilks, and I acknowledged, pretty clearly, the terribleness of my post.
    Just for the record, from the archives:
    I like using a story about someone being murdered in cold blood as a dig at a poster…clever, very clever.
    Posted by:krueg | Monday, May 05, 2008 at 05:43 PM
    It’s a horrible story and in no way meant to characterize any one group of fans, I want to make that clear. But it was, as krueg says, a dig, I can’t disavow that.
    Posted by:SF | Monday, May 05, 2008 at 05:51 PM
    I gotta agree with Krueg, SF. I love your humor and your posts, but using a horrific story like this for a personal dig or humor of any sort is pretty out of line.
    Posted by:Dionysus | Monday, May 05, 2008 at 06:12 PM
    Point taken.
    Posted by:SF | Monday, May 05, 2008 at 06:25 PM

    We should all stick to baseball and attendant issues, spiritedly amongst like-minded fans and yes, “friends” (in the loosest terms), which was the point of the founding of this site.

    SF July 23, 2008, 4:30 pm
  • Here are a few appropriate cliches:
    * Pick your battles
    * Agree to disagree
    Crap. I thought there were more.
    OK, here’s my point and then I’ll stop because there no need to dogpile on the rabbit:
    (And let me apologize in advance for sounding too much like Ward Cleaver.)
    I come here for fun, to share my love of baseball with likeminded folks. And by “likeminded,” I mean the baseball. Some like my favorite team, some are indifferent, some hate it.
    But the real fun is the camaraderie. I don’t come here to be right. I enjoy most everyone who comes in here. I’d love to have a few beers with these people. Just because I don’t know any of them or have never met them or don’t even know what they look like doesn’t mean I think it’s OK to be rude and disrespectful. The YFs are just as passionate about the Ys as I am about the RS.
    We all come here with out own knowledge base, our own perspective and our own experiences, and I learn a lot from that and I enjoy it.
    I don’t have fun being mean and nasty. But I’m stubborn, too, and I’m not about to be driven away just because of a bad attitude. So I, like many people, am more inclined to lash back, despite the equally disrespectful tone.
    Cleaver. Out.
    I don’t have fun

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 4:31 pm
  • Strike those final four words. Call it bad editing.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 4:34 pm
  • Sure, you acknowledged the disgusting nature, but you didn’t offer me an apology.
    It’s like a murderer acknowledging the “terribleness” of their crime to the court, but no effort to remedy the situation to those who were “hurt” because you somehow think I deserved it.
    Worse, for your case, I’ve never done anything even close to that level of appalling. And yet you’re deleting *my* posts.

    A YF July 23, 2008, 4:34 pm
  • A – June 26, 4:22. Thread about Dream Teams. That’s when.

    soxgirl July 23, 2008, 4:36 pm
  • It’s like a murderer acknowledging the “terribleness” of their crime to the court, but no effort to remedy the situation to those who were “hurt” because you somehow think I deserved it.
    Apologize!! Now!!!

    SF July 23, 2008, 4:39 pm
  • Bill – you have no moral high ground here. None. Ever.
    Soxgirl – and the context was? Meanwhile, worse things have never been uttered about Yankees here? Look, I don’t make a habit of that nonsense. And from the beginning I was given far more more of it than I returned. Don’t gloss over that point.

    A YF July 23, 2008, 4:41 pm
  • “Apologize!! Now!!!”
    “And yet you’re deleting *my* posts.”

    A YF July 23, 2008, 4:43 pm
  • I agree with Bill, it’s fun to talk baseball here without the fighting and ignorance that both of our fanbases have in abudance. Not a cut on you A, just saying…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 4:45 pm
  • A- is it more important to feel right, or to be a part of this community that people want to talk to???

    krueg July 23, 2008, 4:47 pm
  • A – Sure when you do it, it’s harmless. It’s really everyone else who is inappropriate. I disagree. Your posts are the ones that I consistently find offensive and you get personal all the time with people. I don’t post a lot, I mostly prefer to just see what other people are saying. Sure I follow Sox stuff more closely but really enjoy a few of the YFs (that’s you AG). But your verbal abuse is consistent and off-putting.

    soxgirl July 23, 2008, 4:47 pm
  • How dare you compare me to a remorseless unapologetic murderer?! At best I am a remorseless, unapologetic jaywalker. And sometimes illegal car-parker. Once or twice I have been a remorseless, unapologetic “should have changed my kid’s poopy diaper sooner-er”, but we don’t really need to go there.
    I demand an apology, now!!

    SF July 23, 2008, 4:50 pm
  • Again, Soxgirl, point to where. Go back and read how I was received when I first arrived and for how long I resisted the urge to respond in kind.
    “is it more important to feel right, or to be a part of this community that people want to talk to???”
    Show me where I’ve treated SF as badly as he treated me with that particular post. I treat people as well as they treat me.

    A YF July 23, 2008, 4:53 pm
  • The funny thing is I never did demand an apology. You just have no moral high ground over me – that’s perfectly clear. And you and Paul both started calling me names long before I ever did the same to you.
    Follow your own TOS if you expect your visitors to.

    A YF July 23, 2008, 4:55 pm
  • A YF: I was just trying to help you see that you are bringing a lot of this on yourself. If you can’t see that, then I am just wasting keystrokes. I hope you come around man, I really do…

    krueg July 23, 2008, 4:59 pm
  • I’ve mentioned before about the Yanks playing .500 on the road. Apparently that’s good for 4th best in MLB and 2nd in the AL. Now if they can beat people at home as consistent as they have, say, the last 6 games..

    Lar July 23, 2008, 5:39 pm
  • I’d like to see that record about 5 games over .500 on the road come Monday morning.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 5:44 pm
  • 3 games I meant…duh.

    krueg July 23, 2008, 5:44 pm
  • Atheose – you have exactly zero moral high ground here.
    Bill – you have no moral high ground here. None. Ever.
    The funny thing is I never did demand an apology. You just have no moral high ground over me – that’s perfectly clear. And you and Paul both started calling me names long before I ever did the same to you.

    Wow, someone sure is self-conscious about “moral high ground.”

    Atheose July 23, 2008, 6:01 pm
  • I never suggested that I have moral high ground over anyone.
    I merely am pointing out that you make a war of every disagreement and you get nasty and even hostile about it, and that takes the fun out of posting here.
    I recall the genesis of our tete a tete.
    The topic was Schill and the HOF. I was pointing out what I believed would be the debate when Schill’s name comes up for a vote – the pros and the cons. I wasn’t defending Schill but framing what I believed would be the debate. You mocked my post by basically stating that you hate Schill and he doesn’t belong in the HOF and anyone who thinks he belongs in the HOF is a “moron.” You gave no merit to either side of the debate, and used the word “moronic” to describe it.
    To this point I’d avoided the fray with you. But I’m not supposed to take offense at that? That’s not personal?
    That was the beginning of the war of words, ace. You started the hostility.
    If you want to just spew bile on everyone you disagree with, fine. I just hope you’ve noticed that nobody is coming to your defense. You’re on your own.
    I’m not taking any moral high ground. If I crapped the bed, I’ll accept responsibility for that. And there’s no doubt that I’ve not missed many chances to chuck a grenade at you since. But what do you expect?
    Sorry to be Ward Cleaver again. I’m just calling ’em as I see ’em.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 23, 2008, 9:50 pm
  • Good evening. We do not believe if we do not live and work according to our belief.
    I am from Tonga and now teach English, give true I wrote the following sentence: “The small times tried would run of much 60,000 1990s.”
    Regards :D Floria.

    Floria September 4, 2009, 8:59 am

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