One Last Ride: Sox-O’s Gamer III/Sox Gamer CLXII

A huge unanswered questions on this, the last say of the Red Sox’ season. Have we seen the last of one of the greatest 3-4 combos in baseball history? David Ortiz is in the lineup today; Manny Ramirez is not.

Today will almost certainly end in curtain calls for Trot Nixon (Wily Mo Pena sealed his fate earlier this season), Mark Loretta (who The Providence Journal thinks is all but certain to be replaced by Dustin Pedroia) and Alex Gonzalez (he wants a multiyear deal).

Unless he pinch hits, we may have seen the last of Manny. The wisdom of whatever decision might be made about him can be debated later. For now, it’s apparent that the Sox could be saying good-bye to their second baseman, shortstop and entire starting outfield this off-season.

And what a long off-season it will be. It’s dreary in New England today. The Sox say they will try to get the game in. Let’s hope so. And let’s hope Ramirez gets one last at-bat. He deserves a standing ovation, as do Gold Glove deservee Gonzalez, longtime Dirt Dog Nixon and Mr. Professional Loretta.

Meanwhile, if Ortiz hits one last home run in his historic season, he will become the only player in major league history to finish with 55 dingers.

Comment away!

29 comments… add one
  • And the game is delayed.

    Rob October 1, 2006, 2:49 pm
  • Nixon 9
    Loretta 4
    Ortiz D
    Lowell 5
    Varitek 2
    Hinske 7
    Pena 7
    Kapler 8
    Cora 6
    Hansack P
    Shocking….no Manny.

    Rob October 1, 2006, 2:50 pm
  • Remy: “I have to correct you Don, at 5:20, it’s not quite nighttime yet.”

    Quo October 1, 2006, 5:25 pm
  • Lowell with the 3-run shot. 20 HRs, 80 RBIs on the season now.

    Quo October 1, 2006, 5:42 pm
  • Kapler. Love it.
    Anybody watching this live? How many people in the stands?

    T-sf October 1, 2006, 6:21 pm
  • The only time I got a shot of the stands from, it was about 1/4, but I think people were still getting back to their seats.

    Quo October 1, 2006, 6:29 pm
  • Lowell reaches 20, cool. The Red Sox have a big early lead..way to go. Anyone see the Tigers game against the Royals. Division cough up to the Twins…does that mean the Tigers face the Yankees?

    Devine October 1, 2006, 6:37 pm
  • It does, Devine, and the Twins get what most think are the “easiest” team to beat in the AL.

    Quo October 1, 2006, 6:41 pm
  • Mirabelli in to pinch-jog for Papi.

    Quo October 1, 2006, 6:51 pm
  • Hansack is pitching a good game also.

    Rob October 1, 2006, 7:00 pm
  • Another rain delay

    Rob October 1, 2006, 7:18 pm
  • Pats crush cincy. Maroney is the real deal.

    T-sf October 1, 2006, 7:29 pm
  • It’s kind of poetic for the Red Sox to be one of the last two teams playing regular season baseball, but I don’t know why.

    yankeesnj October 1, 2006, 7:33 pm
  • Does this mean it was a no-hitter since the game was called?

    Evan SF October 1, 2006, 7:59 pm
  • Not officially. But seriously, how much do we care about Hansack?

    Kazz October 1, 2006, 8:00 pm
  • We start the season with a win and end it with a win. Somewhere in the middle everything fell apart.

    Rob October 1, 2006, 8:05 pm
  • It’s too early for a full post-mortem, but I’ll throw a few observations into the hopper:
    (1) Overall, the Lowell/Loretta gamble was a good one. They both performed as well or better than expected. I will be sorry to see either of them or both go.
    (2) As much as everyone was looking forward to Papelbon in 2006, I don’t think anyone expected him to be as stellar as he was for most of the year.
    (3) Obviously, the meltdowns of the rotation and our middle relief were what sunk the team; the August hitting slumps were more a symptom than the disease. Five more wins from the starters and five from the relievers, and the Sox are right there in the pennant race.
    (4) The biggest problem that no one seems to want to talk about: Jason Varitek’s .238 batting average.
    (5) Failing to make any moves at deadline leads one to wonder to what extent Theo’s 2004 miracle was something of a fluke.
    (6) MannyOrtez remain the most potent 3/4 combo Boston has ever had. Breaking it up is courting disaster, even if people are tired of Manny — who had another great year at the plate, no matter how you slice it.

    Hudson October 1, 2006, 8:14 pm
  • (7) One more observation: Tim Wakefield is still my favorite Red Sox player. He’s the heart of the team in some unexplainable way… Everything went south the moment he went out of the rotation.

    Hudsonj October 1, 2006, 8:16 pm
  • Definately will be interesting over the next few days/weeks as the moves for next season start to play out.

    Rob October 1, 2006, 9:15 pm
  • hudson, here’s a yf perspective on your list:
    1. agree…i have to be honest, i was a bit skeptical, but i was wrong
    2. agree…leave him as a closer…as they say, “if it ain’t broke, blah, blah, blah”
    3. agree…sox mgmt was a bit over-optimistic about their pitching as early as spring training…the injuries merely exposed the weaknesses, culminating in the implosion against the yanks.
    4. agree…i couldn’t help but notice he tailed off considerably from an offensive category…he was no longer a feared hitter in the sox lineup…chalk it up to age, the rigors of catching, and injuries.
    5. agree…theo is over-rated.
    6. agree…sort of…it is a delicate balance between manny’s offensive contributions to the team, and the tremendous distraction he creates, but i agree that he and ortiz are the most feared 3/4
    7. agree, agree, agree…i love tim wakefield…and his absence was a big factor in the sox troubles…he has been a yankee killer over the years, and the sox pitcher i least want to have pitch against my team…

    dc October 1, 2006, 9:25 pm
  • DC: Regarding Manny as a distraction… A distraction to whom?
    It only matters if Manny’s unusual behavior is a distraction to his teammates. And I don’t recall any Sox player saying that their performance was hurt by Manny’s odd personality.
    The distraction exists mainly in the minds of the media and some fans. By any measure, he helps the Sox immensely in the win column. I can’t see who the Sox could get to replace his production, at least not without shelling out close to what they’re already paying Manny.
    Stick with the proven player, imho.

    Hudson October 1, 2006, 10:19 pm
  • …well, if the litmus test of a “distraction” is that his antics have to directly affect another player’s performance, then it was probably a bad choice of words…he probably didn’t directly affect any individual sox mate’s performance…but i have to believe that his shtick has got to be getting tiresome for the less quirky guys who are out there giving 100% every day…in that sense, those of us who say he is a distraction are correct….having said that, you’re right, given his talent the sox will be hard pressed to replace him at a price they are willing to pay…after all the motivation isn’t so much to dump him as it is to dump his salary…

    dc October 1, 2006, 11:15 pm
  • The guys giving 100%, which to me includes Lowell, Loretta, Youks amongst others. Aside from a POSSIBLE exception of Youks, do you really think Lowell and Loretta let Manny being Manny get to them?
    Just as the sheer “intelligence” and “class” of Gary Sheffield most likely does not affect the play of Jeter, Mo, Wang, et al.

    Quo October 2, 2006, 12:07 am
  • Somehow it seems fitting that the final game of this season got (partially) washed out. Just the way things have gone in the last two months.
    Anyone catch the Theo/Tito postgame press conference? Some very interesting stuff in it. Theo basically gave a “mea culpa” on the Bard/Mirabelli trade, along with stressing the need for organizational patience with young players. And they also confirmed that Papelbon is moving into the starting rotation next year, as that’s what has been deemed best for his shoulder. So we’ve already filled one hole but have opened another.
    It’ll be a long winter in RSN. But at least it looks like we won’t have turmoil in the FO from to deal with like last year. No more gorilla suits!

    mouse October 2, 2006, 12:42 am
  • sheesh guys…i didn’t say manny got under everyone’s skin on the team…did you ever stop to think that he might be a distraction for francona?…but, i’ll tell you what, you guys keep him and his vaudeville act…you deserve each other…

    dc October 2, 2006, 9:25 am
  • The point, dc, is telling us our sh*t stinks without acknowledging your own. You don’t think Sheffield has been a distraction for his antics the last couple years in New York? Manny’s not the only guy in baseball who’s an ego, and at least Manny’s is related to him being crazy rather than being a jack***.

    Quo October 2, 2006, 12:15 pm
  • quo, do you even think about what you say before you say it…what the heck does sheffield have to do with a discussion about manny?…what specific antics is sheffield being accused of?…as far as i know his desire to win and passion for the game have not come into question…can you say the same about manny?…sheff even offered to switch to first base so he could play [and stay] with the yanks…are you going to chastise me for not listing every team’s problem child?…i.e. loduca and the mets…
    …the distractions for the yankees have been the giambi saga 2 years ago, and this year has featured the “misadventures of arod”…
    …as usual, you’re getting defensive, which is why i said fine, you can keep manny and his quirks…you deserve each other…

    dc October 2, 2006, 2:49 pm
  • dc, if you can truly tell me that you believe that Sheffield is a team-first player always, then I agree, there is no argument. I’m not trying to say that Manny isn’t quirky. He certainly is. But Sheffield has made comments such as “I know who the real leader of this team is.” Really Sheff? Even if he didn’t have the non-existant existant C on his jersey, does anyone (SFs or YFs) believe that anyone but Jeter is the leader of that team? Has on more than one occasion called himself the most feared player on that team, which is debateable, though I some would acknowledge him being that.
    What place does it have in a discussion about Manny Ramirez? The discussion was about game 162 of the Red Sox and the Orioles this season. Forgive ME for going OT on the game thread.
    There’s a reason Giambi and A-Rod aren’t gone. They’re both productive players. If Manny isn’t gone this offseason, that’ll be the same reason. All three can be and have been distractions to their team. Sheff has too, and Red Sox players besides Manny have been in the past.
    Honestly, I’m not sure what’s wrong with getting “defensive”. Of a player I’ve enjoyed watching in a Red Sox uniform the past several years? Something wrong with defending him while simultaneously passing the muck BACK in your direction?

    Quo October 2, 2006, 4:30 pm
  • …ok…i think they’ll keep manny and be better for it…which was all i was really trying to say in point #6 in my post of 10/1 at 9:25pm…and, you’ve made your point that you dislike sheffield…the rest of our conversation is just noise…

    dc October 2, 2006, 7:08 pm

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