Our Whereabouts

As I was gone all weekend in a land far from baseball, I am not sure where YF is.  I was out spelunking, searching far and wide for solutions to the Sox’ bullpen woes.  The only thing I have turned up is a pennant race, and that can only mean one thing: more traffic for our site.  The onus is on us to be entertaining, if not insightful.  Give us a few hours – we’ll be back antagonizing.

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  • We were out searching an Arlington warehouse for the rest of Derek’s All-Star ballots. (No doubt stored in Karl Rove’s basement, next to Kerry’s Ohio talleys and Gore’s Florida chads.)
    Michael Young over the Captain? AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

    YF July 5, 2005, 2:18 pm
  • YF said: “Michael Young over the Captain? AN OUTRAGE!!!!!”
    Methinks the esteemed YF was in jest, but just to be sure:
    Young’s 12 HR and .866 OPS to Jeter’s 10 and .846 (edge to Jeter in OBP due in part to a rather large lead in walks, but edge to Young in SLG)
    Young’s 31 XBH to Jeter’s 23.
    And for our SABR un-friendly surfers: Young’s hitting .322 with 43 RBI and 108 total hits to Jeter’s .310, 35, and 100.
    And a bit of a hot hand as of late for Young hasn’t hurt either; in his last seven days, he’s got a .961 OPS–while slugging .600–with 2 HRs.
    So with a look at the numbers, Young’s selection over Jeter is not only ok, but rather justified.
    Of course, neither ESPN, MLB, or BP keeps track of intangibles.

    JTP July 5, 2005, 3:13 pm
  • Give us a break JTP. Young’s putting up those numbers in one of the best hitter’s parks in baseball, and Derek’s a righty at Yankee Stadium. Captain Perfect, as SF likes to call him, also has a 10-3 advantage on the base paths Defensively, it’s not even close; Jeter is far superior by almost every metric.
    And of course Derek is the Captain of the Yankees, and this is an All Star game. Is there really any one out there who would seriously rather watch Michael Young?

    YF July 5, 2005, 4:07 pm
  • Me

    Michael Young's Mom July 5, 2005, 4:30 pm
  • Could someone please tabulate the number of times the Sox have led at the All Star break before finishing second (or worse)?

    john yf July 5, 2005, 5:00 pm
  • Regarding the park factors:
    ESPN–though not the most reliable of sources–has Yankee Stadium as more of a hitter’s park than Ameriquest.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
    And “far superior by almost every metric?” Young and Jeter are basically a wash in terms of zone rating (.804-.819), while Jeter holds a range factor advantage of .73 (4.03-4.76). Going with the raw numbers, Young has a better fielding percentage (.984-.975) and has committed fewer errors (5-9)–though in admittingly fewer total chances (307-362).
    I’m not one to say Jeter doesn’t deserve to go (in fact, I agree with Rob Neyer, who, on ESPNEWS today, said both Young and Jeter should go), but to say Young being chosen before the Cap’n represents an “outrage” is overblown. Complain about the Shea Hillenbrands of the world, but leave Mr. Young out of it.

    JTP July 5, 2005, 5:50 pm
  • Regarding the park factors:
    ESPN–though not the most reliable of sources–has Yankee Stadium as more of a hitter’s park than Ameriquest.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
    And “far superior by almost every metric?” Young and Jeter are basically a wash in terms of zone rating (.804-.819), while Jeter holds a range factor advantage of .73 (4.03-4.76). Going with the raw numbers, Young has a better fielding percentage (.984-.975) and has committed fewer errors (5-9)–though in admittingly fewer total chances (307-362).
    I’m not one to say Jeter doesn’t deserve to go (in fact, I agree with Rob Neyer, who, on ESPNEWS today, said both Young and Jeter should go), but to say Young being chosen before the Cap’n represents an “outrage” is overblown. Complain about the Shea Hillenbrands of the world, but leave Mr. Young out of it.

    JTP July 5, 2005, 5:51 pm
  • …and the double post (because of typepad, really) negates any respect I had aimed to acquire. How can I make decisions about the ASG when I can’t even successfully comment on a blog?

    JTP July 5, 2005, 5:53 pm
  • Since I am a sox fan who happens to think Jeter deserves to be in the game, I’m going to avoid this issue. However, I will say that I have been in Ft.Lauderdale for the past six days trying to forget that Foulke is on the Red Sox, and I did miss the daily venting opportunity that I get here. Yep, I admitted it – I missed you guys – even Nick.

    Brad-SF July 5, 2005, 7:14 pm
  • Brad: Oh, don’t get me wrong. I am also a Sox fan and do believe Jeter should be there (see my yes-man attitude towards Neyer above), I just felt the need to point out Michael Young’s appointment as far from an “outrage.”

    JTP July 5, 2005, 7:31 pm
  • I agree JTP. It’s def not an outrage for Young to be there, I just happen to think it’s a mistake. Jeter is all things NY and should be there. If not for his numbers (which are very close in comparison to Young’s), then for the real reason for the game – the fans. People love to see him, and he hardly ever lets them down. I love a youthful Michael Young as much as the next guy, but how many more chances is Jeter going to get? Anyhow, it’s all for nill because he’s obviously going to get voted in.
    If not for having to return to work, I’m happy to be back:)

    Brad-SF July 5, 2005, 7:41 pm
  • Look, Mike’s a good player. Every time I talk to him before games it’s good shop. Hank, Mark, and Sori say he’s pretty dependable, a solid (if not spectacular) hitter, and a funny guy in the clubhouse (God knows we need one of those here). But, please, a starter? Over me? That’s absurd. The guy’s a converted second baseman, for chr*st’s sake, he has no range, and he plays where the temperature hits 100 on tax day, so he gets pitchers who are dogging it in the 5th inning. Put Mike in the pressure cooker that is Ruth’s House and see how he does – playing for that right wing pr*ck Hicks has got nothing on working for the Boss. And, he’s never banged Jessica Alba. I should be starting, and everyone knows it.

    Derek July 5, 2005, 7:46 pm
  • First of all, we all know Derek Jeter can’t spell spectacular, and second, anyone making 18mill per can get a little Jessica.

    Brad-SF July 5, 2005, 7:49 pm
  • “Jeter is all things NY and should be there. If not for his numbers, then for the real reason for the game – the fans.”
    I wholeheartily agree, though my suggestion would have been to trash the rule requiring a man from every squad and put Jeter on the team in Sweeney’s place. Do we really need three first basemen? Really, just let Teixeira play the entire nine innings and I’m satisfied; the man’s scary.
    “And, he’s never banged Jessica Alba.”
    That just may be strong enough of an advantage to swing any Sox fan to voting for Jeter. Point: Cap’n.

    Anonymous July 5, 2005, 7:58 pm
  • And that was me with the previous comment; damned work computers.

    JTP July 5, 2005, 8:00 pm
  • Took a look at that ESPN page re park factors, and it sure looks suspect. I mean, the formula they came up with (as best as I can decipher it) is based on runs scored? Strange. And Camden Yards is the best pitcher’s park in the league? Uh, I think they’re a little off, there. Enro–I mean, Minute Maid is a pitcher’s park? The A’s play in a hitter’s park? Sure, Planet Coors is death for pitchers and PETCO is a dog for hitters, but how is Fenway more of a pitcher’s park than SafeCo?? Anyway, my point is that YF’s point about Jeets’s home park v. Young’s home park is totally legit. Jeets needs to go. And for more accurate park factors, check out the true nerd savants over at Baseball Prospectus.

    Spidey July 5, 2005, 8:50 pm
  • And what about the 4th player in the AL in RBIs? The 3 players ahead of him are all starting (Manny, Ortiz, A-Rod).
    Where would Boston be if Theo had succeeded in waiving Manny to NY? They certainly wouldn’t have won with an injured Ordonez.

    john yf July 5, 2005, 9:11 pm
  • Spidey: Excellent point, and one I overlooked in my haste to respond. Then again, if you can’t rely on the self-proclaimed “Worldwide Leader in Sports” for some decent stats, what can you expect?
    Aside from horrid announcing and infuriating analysis (see: Kruk, John, and Morgan, Joe), that is.

    JTP July 5, 2005, 9:18 pm
  • Come on, what’s with all this gearhead rotisserie bullsh*t? I BANGED JESSICA ALBA. END OF STORY.

    Derek July 5, 2005, 9:40 pm
  • John:
    Why are all you Yankees fans obsessed with the Red Sox? Can’t you guys focus on your own team, just be happy with your 26 titles? Why do you spend all your time thinking about our champs, what might have happened?
    (actually, John, I am just kidding, just trying to mimic all the Yanks fans who can’t stop posting that all us SFs do is obsess about the Yankees any time I post something about the Yankees)

    SF July 5, 2005, 9:44 pm
  • Hey John,
    Why don’t you tabulate how many times a team has come back from a 0-3 hole in a 7 game series?

    MP July 5, 2005, 11:01 pm
  • Once.

    Brad-SF July 6, 2005, 12:37 am
  • Dear John-YF,
    As a Yankee fan, you are in no way justified in throwing around “what ifs” to Red Sox fans. The Yankees currently have a whole team of “what ifs”, and I won’t even start on the “what ifs” currently playing elsewhere. “what if” Manny was picked up…I counter that with “what if” Pavano was any good, or “what if” Womack were better than Cairo…need I go on? “what ifs” have no place in baseball, and while I feel obligated to tell you that “what ifs” have always been my saving statement when talking about the Red Sox, Manny and Ortiz are definitely not part of that phenomenon.
    And, while I do know the number of times the Sox have led at the break, but went on to finish second or worse – does it really matter at this point? Does George Steinbrenner takee solace in the fact that his Yankees won the division in the past, therefore making last year okay?

    Brad-SF July 6, 2005, 5:20 am
  • Let me recap Brad’s points:
    1) Sox fans may talk about Yankee players. Yankee fans may not talk about Sox players.
    2) Winning the division means nothing. Even though that used to be the only way to get into the postseason, and the Wild Card may not come from the East this year.
    Yes, the Sox had a great 8 game run at exactly the right time last year. It doesn’t mean we forget about 26 World Series rings, countless league and division championships (many of them at the expense of the Sox), the 78 playoff, etc. It is one part of a long rivalry. It will go down in baseball history, but so will other parts of the rivalry.
    And har, har, har SF, but the difference is that I wasn’t attacking Manny, a great hitter. Theo has done a great job but it’s interesting that he and his sabremetric team wanted Pavano more than Clement, that they wanted to dump Manny for nothing in return, and that Cash figured out a much better deal for A-Rod than Theo. These what-ifs are always a part of baseball. Just like Boston’s second half fades.
    John

    john yf July 6, 2005, 8:36 am
  • Manny – a great hitter and a great New Yorker

    john yf July 6, 2005, 8:40 am
  • John, give it up. For too long every time a Sox fan posts about the Yankees we get “god, all you Sox fans do is post about the Yankees, why don’t you ever take joy in your own team”. I think Brad (like I did earlier) is throwing this line back at you a bit. You have every right to praise, rag on, antagonize us about the Sox, just as we do about the Yanks. It doesn’t make your love of the Yankees any less, or privilege your animosity towards the Sox over that love. Let’s all remember that the next time I post something saying the Yankees look horrid and an instant comment goes up saying “why can’t you get over the Yanks”.
    Deal?

    SF July 6, 2005, 9:04 am
  • Manny – a great New Yorker wearing a Boston shirt.
    (and a great New Yorker, a World Series MVP, wearing a Boston shirt that the Yankees could have had for $50K. What if, indeed?)

    SF July 6, 2005, 9:07 am
  • I think you mistook “recap” for “twist around and make my own”. Not only did I not say “winning the division means nothing”, but I said nothing about Clement. But, for the record – he’s nasty in a way Pavano only wishes to be. Pavano wasn’t as good as Clement when he was pitching to the Mets and Marlins every other week, but I guess Team Theo took a shot in the dark there, right?

    Brad-SF July 6, 2005, 9:28 am
  • SF
    Let’s back up. I’ll try to rephrase some of my remarks.
    There are a lot of interesting Sox / Yankee issues to talk about. I was a little disappointed that at one point so much of the conversation seemed to be variations on the Yankees suck, rather than any real discussion. And the answer to most questions about the Sox seemed to be, The Yankees are the greatest chokers of all time.
    The Sox had one of the greatest post-seasons of all time. This was made all the more exciting by their history and their rivalry with the Yankees. To reduce this to the Yankees are the greatest chokers of all time is boring. The Yankees are the most winning team of all time.
    This is your blog, and you can make it whatever you want. I think you’ll get more visitors with some real discussion.
    I didn’t mean Manny is horrid, I said he’s a great hitter. I didn’t mean Theo is horrid, I said he’s done a great job, and I’ve said at other times that if the Sox hadn’t won last year that with Lucchino, Werner and Epstein in place it only would have been a matter of time until they won.
    When the All Star break arrives with the Sox in first, what Yankee and Sox fans don’t think about past seasons? Sox fan Roger Angell has written about this countless times.
    I love reading Angell. The Yankees suck is boring.
    John

    john yf July 6, 2005, 9:56 am
  • giddyup

    Brad-SF July 6, 2005, 10:11 am
  • When the All Star break arrives with the Sox in first, what Yankee and Sox fans don’t think about past seasons?
    Actually, John, I don’t. With the inception of the Wild Card these division races are really anticlimactic, and verge on (perish the thought) meaningless. It’s a pertinent issue, I think, this dilution of the division races. I posted several times last year, during the season (and when the Sox were 10 back), that the Sox needed to keep their eyes on the prize: making the playoffs, and not get distracted by trying to overtake the Yankees, however satisfying that would have been. The division would be nice, but it’s just window dressing at this point, despite what Murray Chass has written.
    It’s sad, but I think true. In fact, I believe I was denigrated for making those claims about the Sox and the wild card last year (though proven 100% correct in the end), but my memory may be tinged by paranoia; I’d have to peruse the archives.

    SF July 6, 2005, 10:15 am
  • Even though that used to be the only way to get into the postseason…
    And about a quarter of a decade before the Wild Card was introduced, a team needed the best record in the league to make the postseason. Presumably back then people also groused about how “undeserving teams” made it to the WS.
    The Wild Card is over 10 years old. It’s been around for a big chunk (~10%) of MLB history. It’s about time people get over it.

    Earl July 6, 2005, 12:05 pm
  • Derek and I never went to dinner a couple of times, but we never had sex.
    As has been pointed out on a few gossip sites, Derek has a bit of a hygiene problem.
    I kinda like that Brandon guy — he plays guitar! — on the Red Sox though.

    jessica alba July 6, 2005, 2:24 pm
  • Derek and I never went to dinner a couple of times, but we never had sex.
    As has been pointed out on a few gossip sites, Derek has a bit of a hygenie problem.
    I kinda like that Brandon guy — he plays guitar! — on the Red Sox though.

    jessica alba July 6, 2005, 2:26 pm
  • hi guys!
    derek and i never went to dinner a couple of times, but we never had sex.
    as has been pointed out on a few gossip sites, he has a bit of a hygiene problem.
    i kinda like that brandon guy — he plays guitar! — on the red sox though.

    jessica July 6, 2005, 2:28 pm
  • I’m not against the Wild Card. Even if the Yanks hadn’t won the World Series with it one year, I’d still think it’s a good idea.
    But the East is no lock for the Wild Card. Right now, the standings are
    Chicago .683
    Los Angeles .614
    Boston .573
    Minnesota .568
    Cleveland .554
    Baltimore .530
    New York .524
    Toronto .506
    and Cleveland and Minnesota are playing better than the Sox recently, while New York’s in 5th.

    john yf July 6, 2005, 3:23 pm
  • I’m not against the Wild Card. Even if the Yanks hadn’t won the World Series with it one year, I’d still think it’s a good idea.
    But the East is no lock for the Wild Card. Right now, the standings are
    Chicago .683
    Los Angeles .614
    Boston .573
    Minnesota .568
    Cleveland .554
    Baltimore .530
    New York .524
    Toronto .506
    and Cleveland and Minnesota are playing better than the Sox recently, while New York’s in 5th. Earlier in the year I was thinking it would take the usual 95 – 99 wins to finish first in the East, but unless one team gets more consistent, it might only take 91 or 92. In which case the second place team would probably be out of the playoffs.

    john yf July 6, 2005, 3:27 pm

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