Out of Body Negotiations

"If they don’t sign me, sorry, but I must go. That’s what Carlos Zambrano thinks."

Carlos Zambrano takes Curt Schilling and Mariano Rivera two steps further, first by asserting that he won’t re-sign with his current team unless they sign him NOW, and second by asserting this while referring to himself in the third person, a style that suits egomaniacal athletes so well. We grew up in the "Wade Boggs doesn’t sleep with strange women and also take polaroids of teammates in compromising positions" era, so we’re familiar.

All we know is this: if YF doesn’t pony up the $42 he owes us for Typepad monthly subscription reimbursement before Opening Day, SF must go to blogspot.  That’s what SF thinks.  I think.

34 comments… add one
  • I’ve got five letters for you, SF: B-O-R-A-S.
    YF isn’t paying anything until he receives proper respect from this organization and a nine-year guaranteed deal with an opt out clause every year, and no we’re not allowing you to stick in some “carpal tunnel” clause so you can weasel out of it.

    YF February 13, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • Anti Yankee ESPN Bias?
    Reading The Article I Notice how they don’t mention Bonds team but they say that Giambi is a Yankee and that Sheffield used to be one.
    NESPN it is..

    UglyDuckling February 13, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • UD, that’s an Associated Press story, run verbatim as it was published. ESPN had nothing to do with its reporting or writing.

    Paul SF February 13, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • And so it goes…Boston fans scream about ESPN favoring the Yanks, Yanks fans scream about it favoring the Sox, and everyone else in the country screams about an East Coast bias. Sunrise, sunset.

    desturbd1 February 13, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • I think Big Z has been watching too many Seinfeld episodes. The Cubs absolutely have to sign this guy. How do you justify Ted Lilly, Soriano, Marquis, DeRosa and then let your workhorse walk? Give him a blank contract let him write in the terms, Cubs fans deserve it.
    Side note, is it true Paps learned a 12-6 curveball in the offseason??

    Triskaidekaphobia February 13, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • Rickey Henderson approves.

    Rickey Henderson February 13, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • Side note, is it true Paps learned a 12-6 curveball in the offseason??
    Learning it’s the easy part: did it when I was 12 years old. It’s throwing it for strikes that’s the hard part. Having enough confidence in the ability to not leave it hanging every friggin time, to the hitters delight of course.

    Brad February 14, 2007, 12:37 am
  • I saw a Yankee’s blog refer to Zambrano as a “future Yankee” when discussing that quote. That made me laugh.
    If Jim Hendry doesn’t find a way to keep Big Z on the Cubs, he should be fired immediately. He’s about the only pitcher in recent team history that hasn’t broken down (yet) and he’s actually really good.
    //Side note, is it true Paps learned a 12-6 curveball in the offseason??//
    I guess according to what he says he always had one and just didn’t feel a need to use it last year as a closer. Makes sense, I guess, but it is a little weird.

    mouse - SF February 14, 2007, 12:37 am
  • Adding another pitch will be interesting since he is already pretty darn good. Thanks for answering my question.
    FYI Brad 12 is WAY too young to learn a curveball, good thing you didn’t go pro! I don’t even let my freshmen and sophomores throw a breaking ball.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 14, 2007, 10:35 am
  • Zambrano could very well be a Yankee in 2008 if Hendry doesn’t find enough money left over from his spending spree.
    If the Yankees really want someone in a real bidding war, they’ll get him. Unfortunately for us Zambrano fans Cashman is now running a really tight ship, which probably doesn’t include 7-year, $200 million deals.

    Andrew February 14, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • No pitcher should ever get a 7 year deal. I’d rather they overpay, say 21/5 than 17/6 etc unless they want to give up the no trade clauses and hand out club options (which will never happen).

    nate February 14, 2007, 3:47 pm
  • Cashman is now running a really tight ship
    Two months worth of not getting mediocre free agents, and now the guy is running a tight ship. We’ll see how tight the ship is when the real talent hits the market. Also, lest we forget that NY did bid nearly 40mill (reportedly) for Matsuzaka – how tight is this ship, anyhow?

    Brad February 14, 2007, 4:11 pm
  • I believe the bid was reportedly 32 mil, which isn’t quite “nearly” 40 mil…

    Lar February 14, 2007, 4:54 pm
  • Are you saying Matsuzaka wasn’t “Real” talent? That has to be an error.
    From all reports the Yankees came in 3rd and the bid was not 40 mil. We unfortunately will never know, which allows Brad to say whatever number that pops into his head.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 14, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • 1 gillion dollars!
    And yes, when real talent was involved, they certainly stepped up with dollars, though we never know how much. But, since the winning bid was a correct leak, I have to assume that the NY bid leak is correct as well.

    Brad February 14, 2007, 5:07 pm
  • Brad, In a sense, the fact that bids were leaked _at all_ makes me curious about the whole process regarding who knew what and when about the blind bidding. I realize there is a serious implication in what I am saying. I don’t mean to throw around flippant indictments. I only offer it as a hypothetical and somewhat logical extension of your assumption. Who really knew what and when, and who leaked, regarding the winning bid? I also am on record, and still feel, that the Sox gambit was a brilliant one considering the market and the stakes involved.
    I do not know that Cashman is running a “tight” ship; the Yanks are still a darned big boat funded by a guy whose family made his money in the ship building business, which makes maritime metaphors much fun to bandy about. The fact that Cashman said he will wait until fall to deal with Mo (*MO FRICKING RIVERA has in effect been told to play out the contract he signed? Wow), offered Bernie a minor-league contract (that was definitely the right move), and cut a few Marlins’ entire franchise’s worth of salaries in the off-season is at least an indication that there is a distinctly different hand at the tiller, to be glib.

    attackgerbil February 15, 2007, 12:07 am
  • AG- I couldn’t agree more with the first half of your piece. I said from the start that there was something fishy between Boras, the Red Sox, Drew, and Matsuzaka to some extent. People knew things. How often in baseball is the outcome for every single party a happy one? Red Sox got their pitcher. Boras got richer. Drew got a new contract.
    On the “tight ship” thing, I think one off season of not overdoing it does not a tight ship make. If this is his newly embedded policy, we’ll see what happens next offseason or at the trade deadline. That’s all I’m saying.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 9:33 am
  • Speaking of GMs, this is a really interesting year for Theo. Come the All-Star break, when Dice-K is going through the league for the second time, will he be a $100 million pitcher? (NB: I don’t claim to know now, one way or the other.) Will Beckett and his big extension be pitching like last year, or will he be the pitcher Theo expects him to be? How many ABs will Drew’s big contract have bought the Sox, will the Nation be cheering or booing Drew, and if he gets booed, how will he react? Will Captain Varitek, bounce back and have a good year, or is he on the decline? What about Coco?
    Theo has placed some big bets, and these will unfold with the season. There’s a big upside, and the Sox could be in first, but these aren’t sure bets, by any means.

    john February 15, 2007, 10:08 am
  • and, this situation is different for any GM, how? Is it not an interesting season for Cashman? Let’s analyze:
    1. Is Pettite going to last to the all-star break before that elbow craps out?
    2. Is Mussina?
    3. How established is the faith in Pavano?
    4. Production at first base?
    5. Philly Abreu rears his head?
    6. Torre, Arod and the love that festers.
    7. ibid, only with Jeter.
    8.blah, blah, blah.
    See what I’m saying? There’s no difference between Theo and Cash when it all boils down. They’re both under the gun, big time.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 10:20 am
  • “Philly Abreu rears his head?”
    what does that even mean? Yeah, I’ll take the Philly version as well. He was a good player with them and he was a good player with the Yanks. It’s unfortunate for some Phillies fans and front office people that they thought he was lazy. That was their issue, not his.

    Nick-YF February 15, 2007, 10:25 am
  • There’s no difference between Theo and Cash when it all boils down.
    1) Brad you’re constantly talking about what an idiot Cash is — are you saying Theo’s an idiot?
    and 2) there are questions in your list, obviously, but the money doesn’t add up the way it does with Dice-K, Beckett and Drew.
    Pavano was a big contract, but that was two years ago, and no one’s expecting much any more. Cash’s second biggest gamble in terms of money and length of contract is probably Damon. The first year worked out okay.

    john February 15, 2007, 10:31 am
  • Plus, if you look at what I said, I didn’t say Dice-K and Drew won’t work out. I said they’re big money, long-term bets that will play out this year, along with others.
    It wasn’t an attack, and Cash is not in the same situation. His situation is, are his players getting too old, and does he have enough pitching?

    john February 15, 2007, 10:34 am
  • john, I think Cashman is as good GM, in a great position to always have an advantage. I’m not sure what you mean there.
    Also, are you really going back to the money here. Totals, my friend. Totals. The fact that the Red Sox could even spend so much, and STILL not catch the Yanks should tell you something about this argument.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 10:47 am
  • It’s unfortunate for some Phillies fans and front office people that they thought he was lazy
    Because he was.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 10:50 am
  • john, I think Cashman is as good GM, in a great position to always have an advantage. I’m not sure what you mean there.
    Brad, this is the first time I recall you saying that Cashman is a good GM. You’re comments to this point have always been disparaging of the job he’s done. Give us examples of the good things you think Cash has done.
    And Abreu was lazy? Are ou serious, Brad? The numbers suggest he was very good and is an extremely gifted ballplayer. Who knows? Maybe he can even be better. But to perform at such a high level suggests to me that he did put some effort into what he did and has done.

    Nick-YF February 15, 2007, 10:57 am
  • you’re=your
    I’m sick right now and can’t think

    Nick-YF February 15, 2007, 10:58 am
  • Nick,
    1. I hope you get to feeling better, and trust me, I had it last week and know it sucks.
    But, back to my point. I have certainly said in the past that some of the moves made my Cashman were questionable at best. That being said, who really knows if they were his moves or not. I now he has had a contingent of folks to deal with, but essentially, he’s used the most money, and garnished the best players in his tenure. Of course he’s made some good moves, but the bad ones have to be held accountable for, just like with Theo. No matter if they were his choice or not, he is the GM, and therefor must be held responsible when things go wrong. My guess is, George knows this, and is finally leaving the guy alone to do what he wants, and we’ll see what happens.
    Also, I have said before that I think Cashman is as good as he needs to be when he needs to be. Go back and read the thread when BA came mid-season. Nothing but praise from me there for the Yanks and Cashsman.
    On that note, I have two friends who are Philly fans. I go there to see games all the time (every year, anyhow), and there isn’t a player in the game more hated in Philly than BA. They say he dogged it more than anyone on the team, and that he is the sole reason the Phils were not competitive. Now, I don’t put much stock in it, but where there’s smoke with an entire city, there has to be some kind of fire. People learn to hate him, I’ve been told.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 1:16 pm
  • Don’t Philly fans always hate their players?

    Lar February 15, 2007, 1:24 pm
  • That’s probably an excellent point, but they are no more critical than Red Sox or Yankee fans. Isn’t A-Rod an excellent player who a ton of Yankee fans can’t stand? Once the ball gets rolling, Lar, there is essentially no stopping it. I’d imagine that it’s only going to take a month of bad play for BA (or drew for that matter), while Sheffield and Trot are raking elsewhere, and things are going to get ugly for them, and fast.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 1:30 pm
  • Also, kudos to the Yanks for their decision to wear the black band this year.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 1:32 pm
  • Brad, that might be the case, but wouldn’t you agree that, if that were to happen, the problem would be with the fans, not Abreu or Drew?

    Nick-YF February 15, 2007, 1:36 pm
  • I should have distinguished the difference to begin with, but really, does it matter? Once the fans go, the player usually follow, wouldn’t you agree?

    Brad February 15, 2007, 1:39 pm
  • Was Abreu’s performance affected in Philly? He had several great seasons with them. I don’t know if I agree. He certainly didn’t collapse, and I’m not ready to list his potential decline as one of the things that Cashman most has to worry about.

    Nick-YF February 15, 2007, 1:53 pm
  • I never said performance, Nick. I just think that the possibility exists for BA to be exactly the same guy in NY as he was in Philly. This will only be worse if Sheff is the MVP candidate he was two years ago. I’m not trying to create a situation here that can’t exist. If Philly turned on him for slumping and then raking and then slumping again, so can NY.

    Brad February 15, 2007, 1:57 pm

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