Papelbon: Manny Was ‘Cancer’

Paps interviewed in Esquire (which apparently loves the exclamation points!)!

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“It just takes one guy to bring an entire team down, and that’s exactly what was happening,” Papelbon told Esquire. “Once we saw that, we weren’t afraid to get rid of him. It’s like cancer. That’s what he was. Cancer. He had to go. It (stunk), but that was the only scenario that was going to work. That was it for us.” …

He was on a different train!” Paplebon said of Ramirez. “And you saw what happened with that. We got rid of him, and we moved on without him. That comes from the manager, and it comes from guys like Jason Varitek and Tim Wakefield and David Ortiz. Nobody is ever going to be allowed to do that. Even a guy like me, just heading into my fourth year in the big leagues – if David Ortiz gets a little, you know – I’ll tell him what’s up! I’m not afraid to do that. I’m not afraid to put him in his place, because I think everybody needs that.

“And if somebody does it to me, I understand that. I most certainly understand that. Varitek tells me all the time, ‘Just shut up. Do what you’re supposed to do.’

“So Manny was tough for us. You have somebody like him, you know at any point in the ball game, he can dictate the outcome of the game. And for him not to be on the same page as the rest of the team was a killer, man!”

Was Papelbon screaming at the reporter? Anyway, my hatred for exclamation points aside, something tells me Varitek might be saying something like, "Just shut up," to Papelbon right about now.

41 comments… add one

  • Papelbon classy as always.
    Imagine if A-Rod said something like this about a former teammate!

    sam-YF March 12, 2009, 1:20 pm
  • I don’t get why Papelbon should catch flak for this. His teammate quit on his team in the middle of a pennant race and submarined them for nothing more than money. That’s deplorable. If I’d been on that team I would have been furious at Manny. Why mince words later on, if it’s something still bothering you?
    Think about some of the teams you’ve played on, albeit for much lower stakes. If someone pulled what Manny did and then went to another team, would you say good stuff about him, or tell the truth?
    You can dismiss what I’m writing because I’m a Sox fan, but I don’t think calling out someone who sold you out is a bad thing at all. But that’s me.

    ponch - sf March 12, 2009, 1:41 pm
  • I for one am glad to see a player actually say this stuff because it does a lot to deflate the claims that Ramirez was run out of town, or that the Sox could have done something to avert his leaving.
    But I imagine his teammates and manager would rather not be asked a whole new round of Manny Ramirez questions.
    As for Sam’s point, I’m about tired of this “If it were A-Rod…” false equivalency. Guess what? It’s not A-Rod. Deal with it.

    Paul SF March 12, 2009, 2:15 pm
  • Paul – Ill stop making comments like that when other people stop spending entire threads railing on A-Rod. Yeah I know they are different but I dont see a problem in the comment.

    sam-YF March 12, 2009, 2:24 pm
  • when other people stop spending entire threads railing on A-Rod.
    Feel free to find that “entire thread” here anytime. I’ll also wait for the news report where Papelbon admitted using steroids, seeing as that’s the source of most A-Rod criticism lately.

    Paul SF March 12, 2009, 2:50 pm
  • Imagine if A-Rod said something like this about a former teammate!
    Well, when one is on steroids and pathological liar, his wiggle room is so much less..

    Brad March 12, 2009, 3:10 pm
  • Papelbon is saying what’s on his mind, and probably speaks for the rest of the team as well, but he probably should try to keep it under wraps now and then.
    But, that being said, I’m so happy someone said this.

    Brad March 12, 2009, 3:13 pm
  • Paul- find for me when lots of other people have said comments like mine. I havent seen anyone else (that ive read) say “imagine if a-rod said…” It certainly hasnt been said enough for you to be “tired of it”
    Anyway this is silly, it was just a passing comment. I really dont see why its such a big deal.

    sam-YF March 12, 2009, 3:14 pm
  • What about this quote from Jon Lester:
    “Manny didn’t say a whole lot in the clubhouse,” says pitcher Jon Lester. “He was a pretty quiet guy, kept to himself. Obviously there were some things that were said to the paper, or done, or whatever, that got him in trouble. For the most part, he’d show up, do his work and go home.”
    IS PAPELBON CALLING LESTER A LIAR????

    AndrewYF March 12, 2009, 3:17 pm
  • Most ballplayers are liars. And the beginning of this comment thread is full of people who are startled that Papelbon would start speaking his mind instead of spewing nonconfrontational crap.
    Anyway, if Manny’s “work” included pushing over old men and punching Youk in the face, then I’d say Lester’s got the right of it.

    Kazz March 12, 2009, 4:02 pm
  • In fairness to the writer of this story, if there ever were a person whose sentences probably usually end in exclamations points, it’s Papelbon.

    Nick-YF March 12, 2009, 4:21 pm
  • I really dont see why its such a big deal.
    It’s not. You made a comment, others pointed out that they felt your comment was silly. (and it is) You can say how you feel, others can do the same. I think your immediate mention of AROD into the conversation sort of made you seem accusatory (“double standard!! See, everybody gives Arod too much of a hard time!” Waaah!) But I could be wrong.
    Anywho, as a huge Manny fan, I am not surprised to hear Paps take, actually found it sort of refreshing. There’s becoming less question that Manny was nothing but a real dick prior to the Sox trading him. I think it’s good that the Sox value team chemistry over superstar happiness, and think the former produces a better chance of winning it all.
    And yah, now that he’s said his peace, Pap should “just shut up.”

    DUFF - SF March 12, 2009, 4:26 pm
  • I like players that speak their mind and aren’t afraid of offending people. Sure it may get annoying at times, but I think it’s generally a good thing to see things from their perspective sometimes. That’s why I’ve always valued Schilling’s blog so much–he and I disagree on many political issues, but aside from that the insight he provides is amazing. That’s sort of how I feel about Papelbon here. The part about Varitek telling him to shut up every now and then makes me laugh.

    Atheose March 12, 2009, 4:53 pm
  • I don’t mind Papelbon saying what he did, except the whole “cancer” metaphor is ridiculous and spent. Especially since cancer doesn’t always go. Or might and then comes back. Pap should have tried harder.
    ARod press conferences shouldn’t be listened to. It’s like peeing with the clap.
    Hank couldn’t be the mouthpiece of the franchise. It’s like dysentery.
    Kevin had to shave eventually. It’s like art school chick armpits at a formal.
    Boras interviews have to be shut off. It’s like a coma.
    Jonathan shouldn’t dance or talk. It’s like a Tourettes sufferer getting ECT.
    The Wave has to stop. It’s like plague.

    attackgerbil March 12, 2009, 5:05 pm
  • Papelbon is young and dumb. That’s what I took from that interview.

    walein March 12, 2009, 5:11 pm
  • “Especially since cancer doesn’t always go. Or might and then comes back. Pap should have tried harder.”
    Manny has a couple of children named Manny Jr. (two different mothers or am I not remembering this). He’s duplicating himself like Cancer. I bet you one of those Mannies plays for the Sox. The metaphor works. Papelbon is a poet.

    Nick-YF March 12, 2009, 5:19 pm
  • I’d take that cancer especially one that hits .347/.473/.587 in the month he “quit”.
    Besides, which, isn’t it a moronic thing to say when someone on his team actually had cancer? A-Rod got much harsher treatment around here for simply saying he’d love another player to hit leadoff on his team. Even if we assume both players are speaking the truth, isn’t Papelbon airing old dirty laundry so much worse?

    Rob March 12, 2009, 6:13 pm
  • Besides, which, isn’t it a moronic thing to say when someone on his team actually had cancer?
    ARod’s comments about Reyes were totally blown out of proportion… he does get a lot of unfair treatment. But to say that Papelbon’s statement might offend cancer survivors is laughable. Should we stop all metaphors to keep from offending people?
    In other news, PETA has requested that sports journalists refrain from calling Sabathia a “workhorse”.

    Atheose March 12, 2009, 6:33 pm
  • A-Rod got much harsher treatment around here for simply saying he’d love another player to hit leadoff on his team.
    Here’s some of that harsh treatment (I’ve pulled an excerpt from every comment I could find plausibly dealing with the Reyes comments, which happened the same day the cyst was reported):
    What a gift this guy is. — SF
    Gotta love how the media takes a compliment towards a great young player and twists it. — Atheose (a SF)
    I’m sick of the bashing…disecting everything the man says, all of it. — Kreug
    If he cured cancer tomorrow, people would say it’s because of steroids and ask what took him so long..or blame him for trying to one up the WBC. — Brad, a SF
    he’s the kind of man that slaps at gloves and calls for balls on the base paths. he’s made his bed, and it’s an uncomfortable one. –sf rod
    Eventually the thread morphed into a discussion about Rodriguez as a person and why he seems to be so hated — far from “harsh treatment” given I think we would all agree that A-Rodd is very much disliked — and eventually events about A-Rod’s surgery passed the original post by.
    Again, I feel like people are taking their general impressions of how A-Rod is treated and blindly assuming that’s how he’s treated at YFSF, and that’s simply not the case. Which is why I took exception to Sam’s thread-opening comment.

    Paul SF March 12, 2009, 7:43 pm
  • The problem with A-Rod is he DOESN’T say stuff like this. His Reyes comments were nothing like this, they were innocuous in their admiration of a fellow ballplayer. They were inoffensive and blown out of proportion, as many of us from both sides of the fence have acknowledged. My own comment was meant in terms of being a blogger – he’s an incessant source of material, fair or not.

    SF March 12, 2009, 8:15 pm
  • “A-Rod got much harsher treatment around here for simply saying he’d love another player to hit leadoff on his team.”
    No, he didn’t. Period.

    LocklandSF March 12, 2009, 9:21 pm
  • Not here, but he does get a lot of crap. Okay, so now the roids gave people a “rational” reason to, but before that?
    My problem with Paps’ comment is that I really don’t know what he’s trying to do.. make more fans?

    Lar March 13, 2009, 2:34 am
  • My own comment was meant in terms of being a blogger – he’s an incessant source of material, fair or not.
    That’s absurd. There should be a pause to consider whether the “material” is actually relevant to anything at all. The fact there was even a post on the Reyes comment groups this site with the ESPN/tabloid coverage. If you truly don’t want that impression, then there should be some editorial control, especially if you strive for more thoughtful coverage than those outlets. I’ve seen other players this off-season say things worthy of “material” for this site but for which there wasn’t a corresponding post. It’s therefore easy for me to conclude that the treatment of A-Rod, even here, isn’t fair.

    Rob March 13, 2009, 6:59 am
  • Wait a second. Wasn’t there a post about Papelbon’s comments? That’s right. We’re actually posting in that post!

    Nick-YF March 13, 2009, 7:16 am
  • My own comment was meant in terms of being a blogger – he’s an incessant source of material, fair or not.
    Translates to:
    Well everyone else was doing it.

    Atheose March 13, 2009, 7:39 am
  • speaking of gifts that keep on giving, i have a feeling that this won’t be the last time we discuss something papelbon has said or done…ironically, it’s manny’s departure which has created a vacancy for team clown…paps has been grooming to be his replacement for awhile now…as for arod’s treatment here at yfsf, for the most part it has been fair and on point. with a few exceptions within threads, but you could say that about almost every thread…there is an obsession with arod however that cannot be denied, despite the moderators protests…papelbon has a right to say whatever he wants about anything and i didn’t see anything terribly controversial or revealing in his comments, although he does have a flair for [bad] drama and calling attention to himself [see underwear dancing video for further evidence]…maybe he’s also practicing to be the team captain someday when varitek retires…they can sew two C’s on his shirt for “Captain Clown”…i guess for me what makes the paps comments a bit icky is the fact that manny is long gone…doesn’t take big ones to take a swing at someone after they’ve already left the room…

    dc March 13, 2009, 8:40 am
  • I’ve seen other players this off-season say things worthy of “material” for this site but for which there wasn’t a corresponding post. It’s therefore easy for me to conclude that the treatment of A-Rod, even here, isn’t fair.
    Examples? Keep in mind, as Nick pointed out, that we’re actually in a post right now discussing the Papelbon comments, and we have spent far more time discussing whether those comments were appropriate than we did in the A-Rod thread (which was quickly dominated by the steroids aspect).

    Paul SF March 13, 2009, 8:47 am
  • …doesn’t take big ones to take a swing at someone after they’ve already left the room…
    Exactly.
    Now, lets all go back to talking about people on the internet:)

    Brad March 13, 2009, 9:04 am
  • These attacks on the site are out of line. The issue is the accusation that somehow there has been “unfair” attention paid to Rodriguez and not to Papelbon (or stooge-ish Sox players), and the evidence simply doesn’t corroborate this, in particular regarding the Reyes comment. In fact, YF himself put up the original post about Reyes, not an SF. Maybe that could have been pointed out. I understand why it wasn’t – it doesn’t fit the narrative. Even worse, the accusations are hurled in comments on a post critical of Papelbon posted by PAUL.
    I for one do not and will not pretend that I am a professional journalist – only two of us here can claim that, to an extent. I am a f*cking fan. And YFSF isn’t a journalistic endeavor – it’s a hobby that we hope is intelligent, occasionally humorous, and civil. And yeah, we want to raise the level of debate here, but that doesn’t mean that the site is going to be free of humor and non-statistical non-MENSA analysis. I won’t apologize for its meanderings, especially not when the accusations of unfairness are incorrect and posed with great inaccuracy. Raising the level of debate means, at the very outset, getting past the “you attack [insert team name here] but ignore [insert team name here] I think this site does an admirable job of staying away from that reflexive BS, so when that kind of charge is leveled I get angry. And especially when the charge has no substance.
    A comment like “there should be some editorial control” is frankly insulting. If you don’t respect our site (and a comment like this belies a lack of respect and understanding of the medium in which we are hobbyists) and both the content and the impromptu debates that spring up, then go elsewhere where they DO exercise full editorial control that cuts out 100% of the slightly snarky, off-topic, or ESPN-y/tabloid stuff. And then tell us all what the URL is when you find it. I’ll see you in, like, never.
    We also have archives. It would be wise to try looking at them before blanketing our site with sanctimoniousness and misplaced attacks on the proprietors and on false accusations about the content of this site.
    http://www.yfsf.org/2008/03/now-was-that-so.html

    SF March 13, 2009, 9:13 am
  • “…Now, lets all go back to talking about people on the internet:)…”
    uh huh…. ;)

    dc March 13, 2009, 9:24 am
  • “…regarding the Reyes comment. In fact, YF himself put up the original post about Reyes, not an SF….”
    i dunno sf, maybe i missed something, but i didn’t see where sam or rob made this a sox v. yanks discussion relative to how the mods treat a topic…my impression was that the arod reference was merely to suggest that even the ‘ho-hum’ stuff he says and does is blown out of proportion…arod invites [begs] attention and ridicule, and that’s his own fault, mostly…has he been treated fairly here?…like i said earlier: “for the most part”…is everyone obsessed with him?…yep…even me…everday i check the sports to see what the next arod train-wreck is, then i come here to see what you guys have to say about it…the mods do a great job here [i let you know when you don’t ;) ] …no need to defend…

    dc March 13, 2009, 9:41 am
  • dunno sf, maybe i missed something, but i didn’t see where sam or rob made this a sox v. yanks discussion relative to how the mods treat a topic
    True enough, dc. That’s my own reflexivity coming into play, and I should also be more careful.
    More importantly, I just dislike the inaccuracy of the charge that this site is some sort of hyperventilation chamber when it comes to these topics. WAY more often than not, we are addressing hot-topic issues with some level of critical skill, and hence the site doesn’t devolve into a LoHud-ish morass of insults and hyperbole. I don’t like the accusation, particularly when there isn’t material to back it up. Looking at the sheer volume of comments on a post about A-Rod or Papelbon doesn’t tell the story: the content of the comments does.
    As for being compared to ESPN, the home of Neyer, Stark, and other fine analysts and journalists across sport, is that supposed to be insulting?

    SF March 13, 2009, 10:36 am
  • “…we are addressing hot-topic issues with some level of critical skill, and hence the site doesn’t devolve into a LoHud-ish morass of insults and hyperbole…”
    and that’s exactly why i come here sf…i’ve sampled other sites, and some are just awful…total waste of my time, so i hang out here, or not at all…
    i guess i’d consider the espn comment an insult, but i’m not a big fan of the network in general…they have a monopoly on sports “news” coverage you might say, and the demands of 24/7 programming manifests itself in the dilution of talent and content across the network…i’m guessing that was what was meant by the espn “insult”…but hey, it could be worse, he could have said “nesn” ;)

    dc March 13, 2009, 11:00 am
  • > insults and hyperbole
    I sleep in an hyperbolic chamber. It’s filled with a purely oxymoronic atmosphere.

    attackgerbil March 13, 2009, 11:14 am
  • > There should be a pause to consider whether the “material” is actually relevant to anything at all.
    I have always found that if I find a post/thread isn’t relevant to my interests at the time, the most expedient method to deal with it is to ignore it.
    > The fact there was even a post on the Reyes comment groups this site with the ESPN/tabloid coverage.
    ag disagrees with SF’s welcoming the home of Neyer/Stark etal and he’s pissed that none of those freeloading ESPN/tabloid bastards have yet to pay us one plug nickle for the privilege of joining our group.
    > If you truly don’t want that impression,
    Hmm? Impress what now?
    > then there should be some editorial control
    Families, jobs, other commitments, and sleep perform 99% of the editorial control. In that 1% remainder combined with what we steal leverage from the other three, we write some stuff. Hope you like it.
    > especially if you strive for more thoughtful coverage than those outlets.
    I marvel on a daily basis that anyone anywhere has ever found anything I have ever written remotely interesting. Thank you!
    > I’ve seen other players this off-season say things worthy of “material” for this site but for which there wasn’t a corresponding post.
    See the 99 to 1 rule. Also, any submission for a story or laff or whatever sent to yfsf at gmail dot com is truly welcome.
    > It’s therefore easy for me to conclude that the treatment of A-Rod, even here, isn’t fair.
    Meh. It probably isn’t fair, but it’s fair enough.

    attackgerbil March 13, 2009, 11:55 am
  • “…I marvel on a daily basis that anyone anywhere has ever found anything I have ever written remotely interesting. …”
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…..huh?….izat you ag?
    zzzzzzzzzzzzz
    ;)

    dc March 13, 2009, 12:01 pm
  • > izat you ag?
    nah, go back to sleep buddy.
    > zzzzz
    Need to borrow a few of those. Kid kicked me square in the nose in the wee hours. Tasted blood. But the worst part was me being afraid he will like soccer instead of baseball. Couldn’t sleep the rest of the night.

    attackgerbil March 13, 2009, 12:13 pm
  • Ouch AG. If that’s the case you can always adopt an orphaned Dominican boy.

    Atheose March 13, 2009, 12:29 pm
  • But the worst part was me being afraid he will like soccer instead of baseball.
    ___________________
    hahahaha…
    Some would say “as long as he’s being active”, but it would really burn if this was the case with my son. It’s right up there with “Dad, can you pick me up the new Yankee cap in Pink”?

    Brad March 13, 2009, 2:23 pm
  • And, of course, I don’t have a son yet, so I’m not even going to think about it. Bloody noses in the middle of the night are not good.

    Brad March 13, 2009, 2:24 pm
  • Whoa. Sorry for hitting that nerve. My comment wasn’t YF vs. SF. Rather I was adding my two cents about the coverage here (which I do appreciate as a thoughtful reststop). Actually, that’s why the A-Rod coverage has stood out for me. It seems you’re trying to make this a more place for rational discussion. But the A-Rod coverage is more common to that 24/7 beast and the tabloids that feed on the carcasses. You just seemed more discerning. Still, when’s the last time any of you let an A-Rod “story” pass without comment. It seems you need that particular filter if you’re going to meet your own lofty goals for this blog.

    Rob March 13, 2009, 8:12 pm

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