Pavettitte

Is Carl the new Andy? He’s big, he keeps his glove in front of his face, he throws strikes, he makes you put the ball in play (if you happen to be batting against him), he’s got a knack for playoff pitching (whatever that means), his last name starts with a P. Yeah, we know he’s a righty—but what the hell, you can’t have everything.

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  • As I said before: Pavano is the new Andy.

    Nick April 26, 2005, 10:59 pm
  • It’s APRIL. It would be nice if Andy Pettitte’s legacy could be given more than 5 starts in the opening month of a season before it’s matched by a newcomer, one who’s accomplished very little for the Yankees. How come it takes a Sox fan to show Pettitte the proper respect? My god how you Yankees fans have changed, in just one October.

    SF April 27, 2005, 4:24 am
  • Where’s the disrespect? The comparison only illustrates our appreciation of Pettitte’s legacy. Anyway, he’s two years gone now. Nothing we can do about that. We’re moving on. You should too.

    YF April 27, 2005, 8:39 am
  • “You should too”? You make no sense. You distill Pettitte’s tenure here to 5 starts by Pavano in April and make the comparison, not me. I think it’s unfair to Pettitte to do that. What does that have to do with “moving on”? I really don’t understand you here, honestly.

    SF April 27, 2005, 9:13 am
  • Yeah. It’s us. It’s us. Definitely. Uh-huh.

    YF April 27, 2005, 9:32 am
  • I kind of agree with SF (Holy Sh*t), Steindumber should never have let him walk, maybe if Pettite had a drug problem he would’ve signed him to look like he was a nice guy trying to help. I like Pavano, and I can only wish he does for the Yankees what Pettite did. My only problem with SF is after the way Sox fans treated Nomar, like he was the reason they hadn’t won a world series in 86 years, SF shouldn’t be throwing stones. Pettite will always be a Yankee to me. Many Sox fans want to pretend Nomar never existed.

    Joe in NJ April 27, 2005, 9:35 am
  • You guys are simply missing the point. Pettitte was a great Yankee. He spent a lot of time here, and he earned his stripes, so to speak. I feel that putting Pavano in his shoes already is premature, and kind of insulting to Pettitte (who I HATED). I am not throwing anyone under a bus, in any way. In fact, I am offering sincere admiration for Pettitte’s work here.
    Did someone piss in your cornflakes, YF?

    SF April 27, 2005, 9:57 am
  • We had a banana. Thanks Joe in Jersey for once again pointing out the hypocricy of SF and RSN. But let’s be clear: Writing that Pavano seems to be taking on Pettitte’s role is, clearly, not a shot a Pettitte, and not some indication that the latter’s legacy is forgotten. Are we supposed to wait utill Pavano has 10 years in pinstripes to make what seems a fairly obvious and harmless comparison?

    YF April 27, 2005, 10:15 am
  • “My only problem with SF is after the way Sox fans treated Nomar, like he was the reason they hadn’t won a world series in 86 years, SF shouldn’t be throwing stones”
    “Thanks Joe in Jersey for once again pointing out the hypocricy of SF and RSN.”
    You guys are laughable in your misrepresentation of past events, as well as poor spellers (YF in particular). If you look back to the Nomar trade moment, you’ll see that you guys are just wrong. Search my posts here and you’ll see my take on Nomar, and you can also head to SoSH and search for a bigger legion of fans’ takes. Nomar was loved and appreciated, and his being traded was tough – the initial response to Theo’s dumping was actually anger. The end results of the season brought people around, and rightly so.
    Quit making shit up, guys.

    SF April 27, 2005, 11:09 am
  • FYI, here’s the link to my post right after the trade.
    http://yanksfansoxfan.typepad.com/ysfs/2004/08/hub_fans_bid_fr.html

    SF April 27, 2005, 11:12 am
  • SF, You’re analysis was a good one, the trade was good but you were sad to see him go. That still does not excuse how many Sox fans (about 50% according to the postings on SoSH) now act and say things like it was all Nomar’s fault the Sox didn’t win. I don’t see how you can’t argue that the Sox may have won the whole thing anyway if Nomar was their SS. Ortiz, Varitek, Foulke, Lowe, Wakefield, and Schilling(Blowhard that he is) were the ones who made the difference. OC was good but he wasn’t the reason they won. I just don’t see Yankee fans turning on their faves like that, the closest thing was David Wells reception at Yankee Stadium in a Sox uniform, but after what happened last October, Derek Jeter would have gotten the same reception. And it will all pass by next month.

    Joe in NJ April 27, 2005, 12:30 pm
  • You simply cannot argue that “Sox may have won the whole thing anyway if Nomar was their SS”. It’s a dead ender. The Sox changed greatly at the deadline, and it had far reaching effect. The deals Theo made had numerous moving parts (what if they hadn’t gotten Roberts in a side deal?) and to suppose that a Nomared Sox would have won it all isn’t even worth indulging as a scenario – where would you even start to try to deduce what might have happened?

    SF April 27, 2005, 2:00 pm
  • I’m not saying they would have, I’m just saying you can’t rule it out. I’m also saying that the keys were the play of Ortiz, Varitek, Foulke, Lowe, Wakefield, and Schilling. Roberts may not even have mattered, The Sox might have swept the Yankees. The Sox may not have made the playoffs at all if they hadn’t made the trade. My point is that the Sox spent the whole off-season trying to get A-Rod. How would you feel if you were Nomar? Then after you are traded the Sox happen to win it all as Ortiz basically carries them on his back. Now Nomar goes from being the Sox homegrown golden boy to being the source of all the Sox misery. I just don’t think a lot of Sox fans (approximately 50%) have been very loyal to him. There may be some Yankees fans who won’t be rooting for Pettite, a lot in fact if he is pitching against the Yanks, but I don’t know of a single one who now says that he was a bum and that he couldn’t win the big one or that he was washed up. Most of us wish he were still in NY and blame Steindumber for letting him go. His salary is less than they spent on Pavano and about comparable that of Wright. Even if he asked for a little more from the Yankees than from Houston they owed him for all he’s done for them. Steindumber never appreciated him and he let him go, makes you wonder what did Andy do that Steindumber showed such little loyalty?

    Joe in NJ April 27, 2005, 2:46 pm
  • Even if he asked for a little more from the Yankees than from Houston they owed him for all he’s done for them.
    I’m from the Branch Rickey school of management and I would much rather let Pettitte go (and miss him greatly) than overpay him for past performances. Hindsight is 20/20, and I have no idea how much the Yankees knew, but watching him get hurt and need elbow surgery made the non-signing even better.
    That said, I’m rather surprised they let him go, as the Yankee management’s modus operandi the past few years has been to overpay for past performance.

    Clay April 27, 2005, 3:24 pm
  • “Where’s the disrespect? The comparison only illustrates our appreciation of Pettitte’s legacy.”
    Exactly. SF, part of rooting for a team involves that bitch called “hope.” Comparing Pavano to Pettitte is not unreasonable but, of course, it involves a certain level of wishing on our parts. The comparison is not out of left field just as the comparison between Big Papi early on as a Sock to Mo Vaughn wasn’t crazy and wasn’t direspecful of Mo’s legacy. This latter connection was made by plenty of Sox fans I knew during the early part of the 2003 season. Specifically, he had a very good series against the Yanks at the stadium as you might recall and a portion of RSN became excited about Papi. Yes, it was a small sample size, but it turns out their excitement was warranted.

    Nick April 27, 2005, 4:24 pm
  • That’s a good point, Nick, re: Vaughn/Papi.

    SF April 27, 2005, 5:32 pm

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