Peter Gammons Hatchets Manny

You know it’s a vicious hatchet job when Gammons and unnamed teammates are comparing A-Rod favorably to Manny!

A group of Red Sox watched the Yankees take early batting practice Friday, and they complimented the way Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Bobby Abreu and Johnny Damon show up every day. "Say what you want about A-Rod," said one, "but he plays every day and he plays his behind off."

A-Rod complimented in Boston?  It must be the introduction to the opposites.

47 comments… add one

  • OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.
    I admit it.
    I’ve been rationalizing for him.
    Me bad, bad, bad.
    OK. I feel cleansed.
    But, wow, I am soooooo going to miss his swing.
    And now I have to convince my 6-year-old son to never wear that Manny T-shirt again.

    I'm Bill McNeal July 29, 2008, 11:27 am
  • Tom Verducci weigns in this morning on why Manny won’t be dealt:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_verducci/07/29/manny.lester/index.html?eref=fannation
    Really, nothing new.
    And, thankfully for those of us wringing our hands over the Manny Melodrama, Verducci tells us what a special player we have in Jon Lester.
    And for you YFs: Do you REALLY want Manny in your lineup next year? A lot of you have been giving us a lot of $hit about him, albeit good-naturedly. What if he winds up in the Bronx?
    Lastly, where does he end up? Queens? Philly? Orange County? L.A. with his former poutmate Nomie? Tampa?

    I'm Bill McNeal July 29, 2008, 11:48 am
  • It seems to me that you can hate ARod as much as you want but you can’t take away from his work ethic and talent. He is no Manny.
    (insert the obligatory “ARod chokes, Manny is clutch” crap)

    krueg July 29, 2008, 11:49 am
  • Is Manny a good fit for the Yankees? Where do they put him? He’d be a liability in the outfield, and how many DHs can a team have?
    I’d be surprised if Manny goes anywhere else next year, but I’ve been surprised before.

    ponch - sf July 29, 2008, 11:54 am
  • And, thankfully for those of us wringing our hands over the Manny Melodrama, Verducci tells us what a special player we have in Jon Lester.
    Lester is definitely special, but he won’t be OPS+’ing 140 anytime soon.

    Atheose July 29, 2008, 11:57 am
  • If the sox decline his option, they obviously won’t be in the free agent running. Would NYY be wise to bid on his services. As been pointed out – liability on defense (and the stadium’s LF is much bigger, is it not, than Fenway?), and he’d have to get a hair cut. If they are out of the bidding, I bet there are going to be some short money offers out there.

    dw (sf) July 29, 2008, 11:59 am
  • I bet there are going to be some short money offers out there.
    Someone will pay 100 mil over 4 years–the Mets most likely, though the Angels and Dodgers would be in the running.

    Atheose July 29, 2008, 12:04 pm
  • I can’t see the Yankees getting involved either dw. I cannot see how he would fit on the team at all given who they have to work around already.
    If thats the case surely this couldn’t go down the road that A-rod went down (with Boras) where he finds out on the open market that there is no-one who will pay him better than his original team and he comes back again hat in hand*?
    Surely Boras wouldn’t roll that dice again…I think he really got out of jail when A-rod was able to sign with the Yanks. I dont think he would get that lucky with anyone again, let alone this sox FO.
    *I dont really think it counts as hat in hand when you come back after giving them the big FU and they pay you the big bucks anyway. Even though no-one else seemed to be bidding….

    Dan July 29, 2008, 12:10 pm
  • If abreu walks I could easily see the yankees going after manny. Especially if the lose out on Teixeria

    Sam-YF July 29, 2008, 12:17 pm
  • “It seems to me that you can hate ARod as much as you want but you can’t take away from his work ethic and talent. He is no Manny.”
    What? Where has anyone said that Manny lacks talent or a work ethic? WTF?
    What A-Rod doesn’t do is make crazy-bonehead plays or pretend injury or nix going to the All-Star Game, but saying Manny lacks a work ethic is just a blatant falsehood. All I recall about teammates RE: Manny’s work ethic is he’s one of the best, if not the best on the team.

    Devine July 29, 2008, 12:20 pm
  • Dev: I equate missing games to work ethic…semantics bro.

    krueg July 29, 2008, 12:26 pm
  • > Do you REALLY want Manny in the lineup
    That’s a really really tough question. He’s the best pure right-handed hitter in a generation. But football in the groin had a football in the groin.
    I’ve always coveted Manny. But I have to say “no”.

    attackgerbil July 29, 2008, 12:29 pm
  • But football in the groin had a football in the groin.
    LMAO, I pity anyone who does not get this reference.

    Atheose July 29, 2008, 12:35 pm
  • Can Teix play any other position?

    Lar July 29, 2008, 12:36 pm
  • Manny has a strong work ethic, at least when he’s working. Though I think they said he doesn’t work on his glove, and only his batting. Eh, it’s a non-issue.
    Actually, a few years ago, when Manny was placed on waiver, I was half hoping that the Yanks would pick him up. Couldn’t have been too much worse than Sheff..

    Lar July 29, 2008, 12:39 pm
  • Quite an about-face for Gammons. His comments on Sunday Night Baseball two days ago were quite a bit different. I guess The Sox reminded him that Manny doesn’t really help the press out much and the Red Sox do.

    walein July 29, 2008, 12:39 pm
  • I don’t know why i keep getting double posted. Sorry.

    walein July 29, 2008, 12:40 pm
  • He could DH for us next year if he was willing…i’d be cool with that. Assuming of course they get C.C. first.

    krueg July 29, 2008, 1:16 pm
  • i can’t believe i’m saying this, but i’d rather not see the yanks add him to the team…he’s still a great hitter, but i’m not convinced he’ll leave his baggage in boston, and he’s really not the right answer for left field or dh for the reasons already noted…
    you can justify gammons comments by understanding that he is a fan first, and none too shy about it…perhaps his frustration has reached the level of some of the other fans…
    finally, it is likely that a lot of this negative attention will have the effect of driving manny’s value down giving him fewer options should the sox decide not to pick up the one they have on him…given that his production is also down somewhat [for him anyway], someone might get him at a bargain, much less than the $20m…

    dc July 29, 2008, 1:21 pm
  • My guess is that Cashman (assuming he’s still with the Yanks) will have no interest in Manny. He’s a liability out in the field, he’s had knee issues recently, and is likely to clog the DH spot on a team with players such as Posada, Damon and Matsui. Plus, he’s going to be very expensive. I don’t think Cash is into those types of players.

    Nick-YF July 29, 2008, 1:27 pm
  • i would not want him on the yankees. i have despised the man for years. he is probably one of the greatest right handed hitters ever to pick up a bat, and even if his defense was decent (and i think it could be, seeing as he has a cannon for an arm and can run when he feels like it), his antics have always rubbed me the wrong way.
    that said, he almost had me won over when he was all about reading this spring. i almost bought into the man-child thing. it was then that i saw what i never could wrap my head around before.
    he is one of the last guys in that clubhouse that i genuinely dislike, now that tavarez and (most likely) schilling have gone. if he left and took beckett with him, i would have a hard time rooting against the sox. (i wouldn’t root FOR them, mind you, but rooting against them would be impossible.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston July 29, 2008, 1:36 pm
  • if he left and took beckett with him, i would have a hard time rooting against the sox. (i wouldn’t root FOR them, mind you, but rooting against them would be impossible.)
    Don’t kid yourself, we always find someone to make the impossible possible.

    SF July 29, 2008, 2:11 pm
  • You guys would amp up your inexplicable hatred for Youkilis.
    And what’s with the Beckett hate?
    While I’m in detox mode, you can enlighten me to these guys, too. ;)

    I'm Bill McNeal July 29, 2008, 2:32 pm
  • i guess the beckett hate comes from the fact that he is so good especially in the off-season…normally that wouldn’t be enough to generate hate, but considering that the perception of him is that he is cocky too…well, that’s too much to handle…
    youk’s an enigma for me…i should hate him…i want to hate him…but i just can’t elicit that emotion for him…i’m a flawed yankee fan…

    dc July 29, 2008, 2:46 pm
  • “off-season”
    hehe, how about “playoffs”

    dc July 29, 2008, 2:47 pm
  • “You guys would amp up your inexplicable hatred for Youkilis.
    And what’s with the Beckett hate?”
    I like Youkilis! He’s probably my favorite BoSox player. Beckett I don’t like. I think it’s because personally I’ve never been much for the terse tough guy pitcher act from guys like Schill, Clemens, Becks. Seems like those kind of guys are trying way too hard to tap into some faux macho culture that Old Fashioned Baseball Guys fall all over themselves to romanticize.

    Mark (YF) July 29, 2008, 3:37 pm
  • pretty sweet earthquake out here. it was probably manny’s fault.

    sf rod July 29, 2008, 3:55 pm
  • Its pretty easy to hate Beckett if he’s not on your team. Think Roger Clemens but not quite as bad. He’s a great player but I hate him.
    As for Youkilis, his talking about “playing the game right” and constant sh*t taking makes him an easy target. Were he a yankee, Id love it but he aint and I hate him. If the tables were turned it wouldnt be an inexplicable hate…

    Sam-YF July 29, 2008, 4:14 pm
  • “…A-Rod complimented in Boston? It must be the introduction to the opposites….”
    hey nick, remember this classic “opposite”?:
    http://www.tbs.com/stories/story/0,,69140,00.html

    dc July 29, 2008, 4:21 pm
  • normally that wouldn’t be enough to generate hate, but considering that the perception of him is that he is cocky too…well, that’s too much to handle…
    The irony of a Yankee fan disliking anyone for their cockiness is considerable!

    SF July 29, 2008, 5:09 pm
  • “The irony of a Yankee fan disliking anyone for their cockiness is considerable!”
    The irony of an SF pointing out the irony of YF cockiness is also considerable!

    Sam-YF July 29, 2008, 5:17 pm
  • i referred to beck’s cockiness as a “perception”…not even sure that i hate him…strong word, hate…isn’t a perceived cockiness why some sox fans hate jeter?…ironic, or just part of what makes a fan a fan?

    dc July 29, 2008, 5:19 pm
  • The irony of an SF pointing out the irony of YF cockiness is also considerable!
    Don’t you mean the “predictability”?!
    ;-)

    SF July 29, 2008, 5:26 pm
  • One man’s “cockiness” is another man’s “youthful exuberance”.
    That’s sports allegiances for you.

    SF July 29, 2008, 5:28 pm
  • yep

    dc July 29, 2008, 5:32 pm
  • Sounds like what I’ll call the Ainge factor.
    Back in his playing days (the Celtics, not the Blue Jays), C’s fans loved him but he was pretty much reviled by every one else.
    The Chief basically said about it, “He’s a guy that is loves by his teammates and hated by the opposition.”
    And for some reason it made sense to me. There was just “something” (picture the finger-quote gesture) about him.

    I'm Bill McNeal July 29, 2008, 5:33 pm
  • Loved by his teammates.
    Jesus. Can’t typepad give us a spellcheck?
    Oh, nevermind.

    I'm Bill McNeal July 29, 2008, 5:34 pm
  • dc, I hate Jeter just because he’s a Yankee.
    I’ve never seen him as cocky. Just very confident.
    And frankly, I don’t hate him. I hate that he makes you guys so damn happy.

    I'm Bill McNeal July 29, 2008, 5:37 pm
  • It’s almost like hockey…I hated Darcy Tucker with every fiber of my being as a Maple Puke. When he was let go, I almost wanted him on the Sabres because of what he brings to the ice. Intensity, toughness, sticks up for his teammates, etc. Youk and Varitek seem like those kinds of guys…not that I hate them or anything, just wanted to get some hockey in the conversation!!!

    krueg July 29, 2008, 5:47 pm
  • krueg, when I was a diehard Bruins fan I dreaded the possibility that certain players might ever wear the spoked “B”. Had the Bruins ever acquired Ulf Samuelsson or Chris Chelios I would have torched the Bruins’ offices. There were certain players that even a change of uniform wouldn’t have gotten me to root for their success. With baseball I am less inclined to harbor such sentiments, the physical violence isn’t there. In hockey, guys could ruin other guys’ careers on a much more frequent basis if they so chose, with illegal stuff. In baseball that’s less likely. I will never, ever forgive Ulf Samuelsson.

    SF July 29, 2008, 6:00 pm
  • For whatever reason I’ve always viewed Youkilis as an SF’s version of Paul O’Neill for me. Loved Pauly – punched above his weight and was gritty as hell though he wasn’t what I’d call a natural athlete. Just worked like hell to really every ounce of his potential. And yet I know so many non-YFs who despised him as much or more than anyone. They viewed his self-flagelation after every failed at-bat as narcisistic egotism and not as the prefectionism and team-motivating-uber-focus-on-results that I took it for.
    When I watch Youkilis and see SF and YF reactions to him I feel like I am watching a mirror image of how O’Neill was perceived by those fanbases.

    IronHorse (yf) July 29, 2008, 6:16 pm
  • “‘realize’ (not ‘really’) every bit of his potential’” that is.

    IronHorse (yf) July 29, 2008, 6:17 pm
  • When I watch Youk I wish he’d tone it down. The tough thing is determining whether toning it down would affect his play. Paul O’Neill, who I hated (this harkens back to the Little League rule of “if you throw your bat, you are GONE”, which O’Neill seemed to never have had to obey), may not have been the player he was without the intensity. Would Youk be such a good player without the fire? Where does one draw the line? I’d love for Youk to tone it down, I can’t stand it when he acts as if a called strike was a hate crime, but what happens if he tones it down? Does he lose something? No way to measure this. Until there is, I think we’ll have to live with the guy, as annoying as the complaining seems.

    SF July 29, 2008, 6:24 pm
  • “I will never, ever forgive Ulf Samuelsson.”
    I second that. Cam Neely was my last favorite NHL player. Ulfy was one of the all-time cheap-shot kings.
    I agree with you to a point, SF, on Yooks. But I don’t want him to tone it down if doing so diminishes his overall contribution.
    And I think it’s asking a lot to be something he’s not. What if everyone was calm and even-tempered, Torre-esque all the time. Sports would be so effing boring.
    We need those whack-jobs. (Just not Amy Winehouse whacky.)

    I'mBillMcNeal July 29, 2008, 6:52 pm
  • SF – it’s a fine line. One can take an easy look at Jose Reyes. It’s arguable if it’s entirely attributed, but if you can’t play happy or without some kind of passion, it can’t help..

    Lar July 29, 2008, 6:54 pm
  • I think beyond what toning it down does to the individual’s performance there is also a question of what it does to the team dynamic.
    By the accounts of numerous teammates of his, O’Neill’s intensity fed the rest of the Yankees’ focus and intensity during those years. It was hard to loaf when the guy was taking each at-bat – even in supposedly meaningless games or in the 9th inning of a blowout, or when he was exhausted or hurt – as a life or death struggle with the pitcher.
    I don’t know what the RS clubhouse is like, but if Youkilis plays a similar role, that too is a consideration I think.

    IronHorse (yf) July 29, 2008, 6:56 pm
  • “I don’t know what the RS clubhouse is like, but if Youkilis plays a similar role, that too is a consideration I think.”
    I would doubt, however, that Yooks has reached that status with his teammates yet.

    I'mBillMcNeal July 29, 2008, 7:02 pm

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