Phil Allard Interviews Cashman

If you haven’t read it already, Phil Allard’s interview with Brian Cashman is a must-read. Highlights include Cashman’s insistence that A-Rod is a goner if he opts out, and his belief that Kei Igawa will one day be good. He also says that the team does not plan on moving Jeter from short stop in the foreseeable future (and why would they? Jeter makes that jump throw play in the hole better than anyone!), but does plan on having Joba start in 2008.

It’s a good interview. Enjoy.

(Hat tip to Was Watching)

28 comments… add one
  • Is it in Cashman’s interest at this point to say anything but that he thinks Kei Igawa will be a good player? A commenter in the prior thread was given a hard time for believing the spin out of the Sox’ front office, do you share the same skepticism about Cashman’s self-serving claim, Nick?

    SF September 12, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • That seems a needlessly antagonistic way of framing Cash’s comments. He was forthright in stating that Iggy has been a disappointment, and that his future might be in the pen. But it’s also true that a waiver claim was made on him and rejected, and, ahem, he did shut down the Sox earlier in the season. So, yes, it is clearly in the Yankees’ interest to say they have plans for him, but I’m not sure whether such statements in the press have that much merit when it comes to the bargaining table. It certainly seemed to me that, if you read between the lines, he’s thinking Iggy’s future is elsewehere.

    YF September 12, 2007, 3:03 pm
  • Oh relax, YF, please.

    SF September 12, 2007, 3:19 pm
  • Hey, I didn’t say whether I believed what Cash said or not. It’s an interesting interview regardless.

    Nick-YF September 12, 2007, 3:52 pm
  • This interview underlies how much young pitching the yankees have right now. its truly amazing. Even if half of these guys dont actually pan out, the future looks bright. If we could start developing some hitters in these numbers to, watch out.

    Sam-YF September 12, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • One of the interesting subtexts that I read into this interview (and yes, it is an interesting interview, I agree) is about the Joba rules. Clearly Cashman sees them as very important and conducive to the recent success of the team, and not just from a performance standpoint. I wonder if the JR could be seen as something of a knock on Joe Torre and his bullpen usage. Clearly this was a way for the front office to partially dictate how Torre uses the pen. It’s not that unsubtle, actually.

    SF September 12, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • I agree SF. Pen management is Torre’s achilles heal for sure. Ive been torn on wanting him back or not next year. I think that there are many things that we YFs take for granted that he does for the team that we would seriously miss in the future. If we have to deal with bad pen management I guess thats the price we pay. Maybe he can change?!

    Sam-YF September 12, 2007, 3:59 pm
  • Cashman’s insistence that A-Rod is a goner if he opts out
    What Cashman says in the interview regarding Rodriguez is meant to be heard by one person: Scott Boras. This is pure posturing. Cashman isn’t stupid. But he also might not be entirely truthful either.

    SF September 12, 2007, 4:01 pm
  • Here’s Verducci on the JR (see red sox news – google in sidebar):
    “I think the Torre-overworking-his-bullpen angle has been overblown. Cashman would have the Joba Rules in place if John McGraw were the manager. They are a function of his doctrine on young pitching more than a statement on the manager. Funny how when the Yankees were getting length from their starting pitchers in the 1990s nobody accused Torre of overworking anybody.”
    I agree and disagree. The JR would be in place regardless (just as Buck has his own set of “rules”). But Torre does seem to wear out arms.

    Pete September 12, 2007, 4:06 pm
  • I agree on Cashman leveraging, but I also think it’s the right thing to do. And the only way Alex Boras finds out if he’s bluffing is by showing their cards.

    Pete September 12, 2007, 4:08 pm
  • I completely agree, SF. Cashman has to get Boras to believe that he won’t negotiate if A-Rod opts out. A-Rod (presuming he has a good postseason or *shudder* the Yankees don’t reach the postseason and all we have from 2007 is his ridiculous regular season) will have a TON of leverage in the negotiations. The ONLY leverage that Cashman has is that the Yankees will walk away if A-Rod opts out. Boras knows that if the Yankees stay out and PUBLICLY declare that they are out of the running for A-Rod, the number they can get from another team will decrease DRAMATICALLY.
    If Cashman does not use this piece of leverage, Boras has no incentive not to Opt-out. But if Cashman can convince Boras the Yankees won’t be involved post opt-out, he has to at least acknowledge the possibility that the best deal he can get will be from the Yankees pre-opt out.

    Damien September 12, 2007, 4:12 pm
  • Cashman has to take this line and use this leverage for a few reasons. First, it makes sense financially. They want/need texas money. Second, negotiations pre opt-out are exclusive.
    It could very well prove to be effective. Boras knows how devastating it could be to Arod’s value to lose the yankees in the bidding process. I believe that the yankees will offer more as an extension than the other teams could for a new contract. That may just be wishful thinking though.

    Sam-YF September 12, 2007, 4:20 pm
  • “even if half of these guys”
    It’s actually around 1 in 100 that turn into average ML pitchers, so if the Yankees somehow end up with “half” of all these minor league pitchers on the ML roster they’ll be so far ahead of the norm it’s rediculous.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:29 pm
  • Is it possible, if Arod opts out, and the yanks don’t pursue, that he could be signed for the 27M per he makes now (or less)?
    Obviously, the market of potential teams is small – without the yanks in the mix, other teams might be less inclined to cross that 27M threshold.
    …and yes, I think this is posturing by cash – the yanks will retain arod…

    Andrews September 12, 2007, 4:34 pm
  • Brad Im talking about their top prospects not all of the pitchers in their minor league system which is what your stat refers to.

    Sam-YF September 12, 2007, 4:34 pm
  • I don’t agree. I think Boras knows that Cashman isn’t stupid enough to turn to Yankee fans and tell them they couldn’t sign A-Rod, or keep him from Boston, due to money issues.
    Cashman knows as well as anyone that he’ll be thrown bound, gagged, and chased from town with his tail between his legs if he lets A-Rod walk over money.
    Boras knows this, and Cashman can say all he wants to say, to whomever he wants to say it to, but in the end, Boras and A-Rod both know (along with everyone) that he’s lying.
    A-Rod opts out, the Yankees will be first in line to get him back and Boras knows better than anyone that Cashman is throwing himself off the cliff head first if they aren’t.
    Cashman has absolutely no leverage here. If A-Rod walks, he’s still going to get paid and Cashman will be run out of town. Or, and more likely, they opt out and the Yankees drive the price out of everyone else’s range.
    Imagine the Cashman interview when he tries to tell New York fans that “we could not match Boston’s offer for Alex; it just did not fit into out budget or fiscal plan”.
    Not in this lifetime, and both parties know it.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:36 pm
  • There is no way that Boras lets arod opt out to get the same amount of money that he has now. I think there is also something be said about how talk of opting out could be posturing by Boras just to get the big money extension from the yankees.

    Sam-YF September 12, 2007, 4:37 pm
  • oh.
    Well, if half the ‘top’ pitching prospects, in any organization, turn into average ML pitchers, they’re still above the norm and doing awesome.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • Seems to me that about half of them have been in the bigs this year already. You are nitpicking my words, i meant by it a good portion of them.

    Sam-YF September 12, 2007, 4:42 pm
  • “lets arod opt out to get the same amount of money that he has now.”
    But, if he opts out, and Cashman isn’t BSing, how can Boras control what teams bid?(Remember, there was collusion between the owners to hold down saleries in the past)
    I don’t think Arod will hold out until someone ponies up 30M.
    Just a crazy what if – I realize this is highly unlikely, but still possible.

    Andrews September 12, 2007, 4:43 pm
  • That’s definitely a option, Sam. But, I would think that Boras absolutely knows that A-Rod is going to make more money than he is right now. He might not get it from NY, and it might not be a lot, but Boras is not the guy to take that chance with if you’re Brain Cashman. Boras will take his guy to another team for one or two million more over the life of a contract. He’ll do it out of spite to send a message to GM’s. He’s done it before, and he’ll do it again.
    Outside of Jones, can you think of one Boras client that he didn’t take into the open market? I can’t.
    Boras will use teams against themselves, and each other. I’m sure he knows, through whatever means, what teams are interested in getting in and where they’re willing to go; he’s definitely not going into the market blind… he knows exactly what A-Rod is going to get, which is why the extension wasn’t an option before the season.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • Calm down, Brad – you’ve got your share of promising young arms, too :)

    Andrews September 12, 2007, 4:44 pm
  • Well that and the Yankee rule of not doing deals during the season.
    A-Rod is opting out with Boras, and several teams are going to be in the mix (the long term advantage to having that guy break all those records are too much to pass on by teams that normally wouldn’t be), and in the end, he’ll end up with a king’s ransom from Brian Cashman. And, all will be fine in NY.
    Any other option is not really an option for Brian Cashman. Unless A-Rod says “I’m willing to do the extension because I love NY and I don’t care what Boras says”, I can’t see it working out any other way.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:47 pm
  • Ha, I wasn’t upset. I was just saying that “half” seemed unusally large. For the record though, I figure Lester and Buchholz the only ones of the bunch who will ever make a difference for Boston. I look at Hughes and Joba the same way. Kennedy is on the outside looking in for me, since he doesn’t seem to really have an outstanding tool like the other four do.
    Weirder things have happened, I guess.
    The other guys, like Clippard, Rasner, Corey, Karstens, and other guys like that I never see making a difference is all. Well, at least not for the two teams in question.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:53 pm
  • And, I make that comment very carefully with Lester. I’m not impressed at all by his stuff yet, which in the end, either a pitcher has a great arm or great stuff he can throw for strikes. Lester has none of that yet, but I’m giving him a pass on this year.

    Brad September 12, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • I made this comparison before, but even when you have it narrowed to three top prospects, your chances of the majority panning out are slim. The Mets had the big Paul Wilson-Bill Pulsipher-Jason Isringhausen starting-pitcher trio, of which only Isringhausen contributed significantly at the ML level, and only then while performing a different role with another team long after he was given up by the Mets.
    Not to really get into the whole Yanks vs. Sox thing here, but to broadly endorse Brad’s point that even among your elite prospects who have already beaten the odds to even get to the bigs, the chances are they will not succeed commensurate to their hype, if at all.

    Paul SF September 12, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • Despite all that, it’s nice to have the opportunity to see what happens regardless….

    Brad September 12, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • How many times can we have the same discussion about A-Rod opting out and who will bid what for him? He won’t get more from a team post-opt-out than he will get from the biggest spending team in baseball fortified by a $30million subsidy from Texas pre-opt out. If he decides to opt out, he wants out of NY and not because of money.

    IronHorse (yf) September 12, 2007, 5:46 pm

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