Pitchers Not Named Johan

First, Jon Heyman reports that the A’s have contacted teams, including the Yanks and Sox, about Danny Haren. No surprise there, but at least it’s now more official. In addition, word out of Baltimore is that Erik Bedard may become available as well this winter, as contract extension talks between the O’s and him have stalled. The Yanks are rumored to be kicking the tires, while there is no mention of the Sox.

My instant analysis is that this helps the Yanks and Sox in their negotiations with the Twins. Hey, if we lose out on Santana, there are always these guys to go after.

Hat tip to mlbtraderumors for the Bedard story.

26 comments… add one

  • There are pitchers not named Johan?

    sam-YF November 30, 2007, 12:09 pm
  • Bedard is gold. Maybe. I do like him better than Haren though.

    Lar November 30, 2007, 12:19 pm
  • personally, I think the Yanks would have more interest in Bedard. He’s a lefty who dominates against them and who they see a lot. Of course the drawback is his poor health record and that he’s closer to free agency than Haren is.

    Nick-YF November 30, 2007, 12:22 pm
  • I agree, Lar. Bedard is my pick over all of them when you factor in what it’s going to take to get any of them.

    Brad November 30, 2007, 12:22 pm
  • I would think Bedard will be just as expensive. Also, there is the added complication that Baltimore plays in the AL East.

    Nick-YF November 30, 2007, 12:24 pm
  • Yeah, you figure Baltimore would have to soap the Sox or Yanks to trade within the division.
    Then again, it’s not like they’ll be competing any time in the next five years…

    Paul SF November 30, 2007, 12:29 pm
  • They’d probably want to throw in Tejada, and get a ML ready SS and prospects just to clear him off their roster. ha.

    Brad November 30, 2007, 12:36 pm
  • I’m a huge fan of Bedard too. He has improve in every pitching statistic over the last 4 years, and 221 K’s in 182 IP is pretty sexy. 1.088 WHIP? Count me in.
    Haren, however, I think is overrated. He’s too much of a question mark for me to justify sending prime prospects to Oak-town.

    Atheose November 30, 2007, 12:39 pm
  • Wow, Bedard will be 29 on opening day. I thought he was younger than that.

    Atheose November 30, 2007, 12:40 pm
  • Bedard is older than Johan! Granted it’s only a week, but still interesting.

    Atheose November 30, 2007, 12:41 pm
  • Not to beat a dead horse but give me Johan or give me death!!! Bedard is solid when he actually pitches…

    krueg November 30, 2007, 12:44 pm
  • I shouldn’t day that Bedard will be just as expensive as Haren or Santana. There’s just too many questions surrounding his health. Also, he closer to free agency. Of the three he’d be the biggest risk going forward in terms of on-field performance.

    Nick-YF November 30, 2007, 12:50 pm
  • Is Bedard really hurt that often? He had TJ surgery a couple years ago, but didn’t miss significant time in ’06-’07…might as well say Josh Beckett is dominant when he doesn’t have blisters.
    I like him alot…although he’s a clear runner-up prize to Johan.
    Speakiung of durablity/health problems though – is no-one else just a little bit concerned that Johan was clearly gassed down the strecth last year?

    Mark (YF) November 30, 2007, 1:01 pm
  • I thought Bedard missed the last month of last season. In any case, he has never reached 200 innings in a season and he’s about to turn 29. He loses value as a result in comparison to Haren and Santana.

    Nick-YF November 30, 2007, 1:06 pm
  • Teh O’s shut Bedard down in the last month, yes. But I thought it was more precautionary move because they weren’t in contention. Point taken about the never reaching 200 innings, though. And for some reason I thought he was younger, too.

    Mark (YF) November 30, 2007, 1:23 pm
  • Mets dealt Milledge to the Nats. Does that take them out of the running for these big gun pitchers?

    sam-YF November 30, 2007, 2:07 pm
  • I would think so, Sam. Especially since Minaya recently said how he won’t be trading Jose Reyes. That pretty much divulges them of decent chips. Unless they trade David Wright.. but if they won’t trade Reyes, why would they trade him?

    Dionysus November 30, 2007, 2:30 pm
  • The Mets would be insane to deal Reyes for anything, so it’s the right decision to call him untouchable. That said, what were the Mets thinking when they made this deal?!

    Nick-YF November 30, 2007, 2:34 pm
  • The list of players supposedly turned down by the Mets for Lastings Milledge is quite accomplished, and this is what they end up netting for the guy?
    Why does Omar Minaya have such a stellar reputation, again?

    SF November 30, 2007, 2:44 pm
  • Obviously grains of salt should be involved, but if you do a quick Google search for Milledge and possible trades, you end up with the following names over the last 18 months:
    Mark Buehrle (during the ’06 offseason)
    Joe Blanton
    Carl Crawford
    Chad Cordero
    Dan Haren (back in the ’06 offseason)
    Manny Ramirez
    Dontrelle Willis
    Of course many of these were probably pure speculation (and there are more names not included above) but Milledge, one of the Mets’ most touted young players, for a weak-hitting catcher and a middling 29 year-old corner outfielder without much power? Isn’t that selling kind of low?

    SF November 30, 2007, 2:51 pm
  • Wow, I didn’t know Bedard was that old. I really thought he was maybe 24-25 off my head. Wow.
    I’ll have to go back and think about this some more.. hehe..

    Lar November 30, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • Also, the Lastings deal made no sense for the Mets. I’m kind of confused.

    Lar November 30, 2007, 2:59 pm
  • First, if I had to choose between Haren and Bedard I would take Haren. Just personal preference. Huge Haren fan.
    Second, the problem with trading for either of those guys is that you may be giving up near what you would have had to give up for Santana. Billy Beane is a genius and is not going to take spare parts for a future/present ace. So that worries me.
    Finally, I am a big fan of Brian Schneider’s. He is a sound defensive catcher, in my eyes amoung the best in the game all around, game calling, fundementals, etc…But how in the world could Minaya pull off this trade? Ryan Church and Schnieder for Lastings Milledge? I don’t see how this is going to help the Mets. I don’t care about how bad a person Milledge is, you don’t need him out of the clubhouse that bad. Church is at best a platoon OF’r. Milledge was a chip in the proposed Manny Ramirez trade, he was also a chip in the proposed Joe Blanton trade. How could he now be traded for this? I don’t get it.

    John - YF November 30, 2007, 3:00 pm
  • John – I was thinking the same thing. On one hand, his image is horrible in NYC, but he’s young, so it’ll probably get better, especially when he realizes he’s in NYC, where the media watches his every move.
    And even if NYC isn’t a good fit for him, you would figure Omar can do better than this.. makes no sense.

    Lar November 30, 2007, 3:02 pm
  • Speakiung of durablity/health problems though – is no-one else just a little bit concerned that Johan was clearly gassed down the strecth last year?
    I prefer to think of him as Tejada-ing his way through the end of the season with a bad team.
    Score one for Jim Bowden. Fleece job. Of course, I think this leaves the Nats with -6 options for catcher in 2008.

    QuoSF November 30, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • Not sure if anyone other commenters caught this, but Tom Verducci has a nice piece on his Sportsman of the Year nominee, David Ortiz.
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/magazine/specials/sportsman/2007/11/26/verducci.ortiz/index.html?eref=T1

    bostondreamer November 30, 2007, 6:34 pm

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