Puppies!: Sox-Tribe Gamer IV

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"What do puppies have to do with the Red Sox?", you might ask.  And "what do they have to do with pitching a struggling knuckleballer in lieu of the staff ace?", you might ask.  The answer?  NOTHING!

Puppies have nothing to do with baseball.  They have nothing to do with the ALCS.  They have nothing to do with Tim Wakefield, Josh Beckett, Paul f*cking Byrd, getting hit on the basepaths by batted balls, double plays with the bases loaded, Eric Gagne, or a lack of clutch hitting.  Puppies are cute.  They are immune to criticism, unless your idea of reasonable criticism is being angry at a six week old animal for peeing on the floor.

Puppies make us smile and tonight, if the Sox win, you’ll have puppies to supplement your joy.  And if they lose, you’ll have puppies to turn that frown upside down. 

To the Sox, if it doesn’t rain: win it for all those cuddly puppies out there.

Lineups when available. 

1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Coco Crisp, CF
8. Doug Mirabelli, C
9. Julio Lugo, SS

SP – Tim Wakefield

1. Grady Sizemore, CF
2. Asdrubal Cabrera, 2B
3. Travis Hafner, DH
4. Victor Martinez, 1B
5. Jhonny Peralta, SS
6. Kenny Lofton, LF
7. Casey Blake, 3B
8. Franklin Gutierrez, RF
9. Kelly Shoppach, C

SP: Paul Byrd, RHP (1-0, 3.60 ERA)

812 comments… add one
  • If we just leave that picture up there for the next 6 months we’ll end up with more traffic than if we actually write about baseball.

    YF October 16, 2007, 4:10 pm
  • Once again, I agree with everything you just said. That aside, I seriously think you’ve gone around the bend… :)

    Andrews October 16, 2007, 4:29 pm
  • I don’t know why, but I really expected the name after “Paul f*cking” to be my last name. I guess that shows either how narcissistic I am, or how my job’s been going these last few days.

    Paul SF October 16, 2007, 4:37 pm
  • this might be my favorite lead-in for a game thread ever.
    (and i’m not a dog person… or even a fan of puppies, either.)
    brilliant.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 16, 2007, 4:41 pm
  • The puppies’ expressions seem to be encouraging us to accept the future, whatever it brings. They were a little freaked out too, when that polar bear first captured them, but they seem to have come to terms with the infinite, if their limpid, zen-like gaze is to believed.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 4:48 pm
  • “they seem to have come to terms with the infinite, if their limpid, zen-like gaze is to believed.”
    FSP – nice turn of phrase.

    Andrews October 16, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Either that, FSP, or those puppies got a hold of a really, really nice bag of weed.

    SF October 16, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • Brilliant SF and FSP.
    There’s also this story featured prominently on Boston.com’s most emailed:
    “Golden retriever nurses stray kitten”

    Pete October 16, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • Call me bonkers, but I have this feeling that Tim Wakefield may just come through big time for the Sox tonight.
    He’s been my favorite Boston player for many years, willing to fill whatever role he was asked to, without complaints.
    He won 17 friggin’ games this year (albeit fewer of them in the latter half of the season), and to some extent he “deserves” the start… though that last justification is kind of Grady Little-think, I admit.
    The issue for me is not so much whether Wakefield should pitch tonight — Beckett and Schilling will surely both get one more start either way — but what to do about a Game 7.
    The Sox just need to rip off three in a row, so as to avoid throwing DiceK out there for the finale.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 5:11 pm
  • Hudson (even as I realize you’re trying to put a positive spin on things), what are the chances of winning three in a row when two of those games are on the road and two include games started by Sabathia and Carmona?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 5:14 pm
  • I was checking out the Extra Bases blog for lineups (not up yet, as far as I can tell) and found this little gem of info from Amalie Benjamin:
    Drew is 2-for-10 career off Byrd.
    Kielty is 10-for-30 career off Byrd: 2-for-6 with a 2B in 2006 and 4-for-11 (.364) with a double, two home runs, and five RBI in 2005, and no ABs against him this year.
    Dare I hope for Kielty AND Ellsbury tonight? I’m not sure I ever hope for Kielty, but he’s hardly worse than Drew has been so far this postseason.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 5:16 pm
  • (Y’know, just rip off three straight wins. That’s all…)

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 5:16 pm
  • I’d like to see Ellsbury start over Coco, but I know it won’t happen.
    A perverse thing in baseball is when a player is sucking as badly as Crisp has been, managers think “he’s due to break out,” rather than “time to make a move.”

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • but he’s hardly worse than Drew has been so far this postseason.
    Um, Drew got a hit and scored ahead of Tek last night, and also (a bit luckily) got on base in the second. What did he do so poorly last night, exactly? What did he do that was worse than Coco, or Pedroia for that matter?

    SF October 16, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • I tend to agree with Hudson, the postseason is a different story. Wakefield is a pro, has been in spots like this before, he has proven he can handle big spots.
    Went back and looked at Byrd’s game logs of the past 3 seasons against the Sox. He is either lights out, zero/one run or he blows up 4 runs plus. He’s 3-2 over the past 3 seasons against the Sox.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 5:19 pm
  • SF – Drew’s line in the playoffs:
    .227/.227/.227/.455
    He’s not exactly setting the world on fire. I was hoping to see September Drew carry over to October but so far that hasn’t happened.
    I also didn’t say he was worse than Coco (who I would like to see replaced by Ellsbury) or Pedroia (for whom Kielty is not a viable substitute).

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • Worst hitters against Byrd? Youk and Manny, of all guys.

    SF October 16, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • Wakefield is a pro, has been in spots like this before, he has proven he can handle big spots.
    This is a myth. Wakefield is awful in the postseason, his rookie stint with the Pirates the shining exception to an ugly-looking rule.
    5-5, 6.12 ERA.
    He’s actually arguably had two good series in the postseason out of the nine he’s pitched — 1992 NLCS with Pittsburgh and the 2003 ALCS against the Yankees, which ended badly, unfortunately. Three, if you consider the decent start he put up in the 2003 ALDS. But that’s it. His ERA is 3.52 or better in those three series. It’s 6.75 or worse in the other six.

    Paul SF October 16, 2007, 5:25 pm
  • Thanks, Paul. I already had just above zero expectations for tonight, and now they are nil. I just don’t see the Sox winning this game with Wake pitching. I’d love to have to eat crow, for sure, but my confidence is pretty much non-existent. Wake has been putrid this second half, and there’s no reason to think that he’s going to spin 180 all of a sudden and pitch lights out, particularly not against a superb ballclub. This isn’t a weak-hitting, bottom-tier offense, it’s a team that had the best record in baseball, tiebreakers notwithstanding.
    This game is a loss, on paper. Just like last night’s was a win, I suppose. We’ll be watching for that reason, whatever our expectations.

    SF October 16, 2007, 5:29 pm
  • Greetings from Brussels gang. Can’t say I was too disapointed when I arrived this morning and got the mlb.com update on last night’s game. My only major disappointment was that Kenny Lofton, yet again, did something to help Cleveland. He is high – very high – on my list of most annoying players.
    Still heard nothing re: Torre’s fate…little for us YFs to hold on to right now…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 5:38 pm
  • In 2003 Wakefield pitched 21.2 innings. He was 2-2 with an ERA of 2.57 in the ALCS and 3.52 in the ALDS. I think that’s pretty impressive. His Game #2 loss in 2003 was to Zito who allowed 1 run. He then came back and defeated Mussina in Game #1 of the ALCS allowing 2 runs.
    His ERA in the LCS is 3.89 over his career.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 5:41 pm
  • 2003 was four years ago, Trisk. Those are nice numbers, but it was four years ago. I saw Wake pitch this second half.
    I am not optimistic. Would love to be wrong, of course.

    SF October 16, 2007, 5:42 pm
  • I’m f#cking losing it.
    That is all.

    LocklandSF October 16, 2007, 5:43 pm
  • Hah, Iron – probably passed you mid-flight over the Atlantic.
    I don’t understand how YF’s don’t like Lofton. He was treated badly by the organization and the manager. Bernie started over him in CF even though Bernie was finished as a CF. Then they traded him for some unknown reliever. He done nothing since but produce.
    BTW: It’s raining right now in Cleveland as reported by Buck and McCarver on PTI.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 5:46 pm
  • I understand SF, but my point is this guy is a pro. You aren’t throwing Chase Wright (Sorry Chase) out there, the game isn’t over before it starts. I am not saying Wake will pitch a gem, I only saying there is reason to think he is capable of coming through.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • But before anyone gets too excited about the rain, it’s supposed to stop between 8pm and 10pm.
    And speaking of Wake in 2003 – Happy Aaron F%$&#@ Boone Day, YFs.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • Sorry, but that analysis is a huge stretch on Wake. How he pitched four years ago at his absolute best has no bearing on how he’s going to pitch tonight after three weeks off. You might as well be talking about how Beckett pitched in 2003 on three days rest.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 5:50 pm
  • Two hours to mood swings.

    Devine October 16, 2007, 5:52 pm
  • Speaking of our old buddy, the Sox missed getting to face Aaron Boone again by one year. Although I guess he probably would have been left off the postseason roster if Cleveland did end up keeping him this long.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • “Two hours to mood swings.”
    ha!

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 5:53 pm
  • Scratch that, the mood swings are here already. I find myself alternating between anticipating and dreading this game. Haven’t had a stomach swoop yet, but those tend to happen starting about an hour before game time.

    Devine October 16, 2007, 5:54 pm
  • In his postseason career Paul Byrd is 2-2 with a 5.04 ERA.
    Bobby Kielty is hitting .333 with 4 HR’s off him.
    Big Papi .308 with 2 HR’s.
    Mike Lowell .400 with 1 HR.
    Jason Varitek .389 with 1 HR.
    Coco Crisp .455 with an OPS of 1.083
    Now will you at least crack a smil SF!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 5:55 pm
  • Yeah, Trisk, I don’t understand why you’d cherry pick the 2003 ALCS anyway.
    How about the 2004 ALCS when his lone contribution was getting hammered for a lot of innings, thus saving the bullpen? Not to pooh-pooh what he did, which was great, but he was ineffective.
    Or the 2004 World Series, Game 1, in which he blew a huge early lead by giving up five runs in fewer than four innings?
    Or the 2005 ALDS, when he couldn’t make it through the sixth?
    Why is 2003 so instructive, and not the eggs he’s laid in each postseason series since?

    Paul SF October 16, 2007, 5:59 pm
  • Should read Smile.
    It has no bearing? Why because it contradicts your pessimism? That was 4 seasons ago, I realize that. My point is that Wakefield is a veteran with playoff experience, good, bad or otherwise, not some bum off the streets. If the Sox were my team, I would much rather have Beckett up against Sabathia with the series even, then against Byrd in a very winnable game with or without stellar pitching.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 6:00 pm
  • It’s not cherry picking, I am only saying that he has been successful at some point, it hasn’t been all bad.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 6:01 pm
  • Puppies.

    SF October 16, 2007, 6:01 pm
  • That’s about the only rational explanation (Trisk RE: Sabathia/Byrd) I can see for having Beckett pitch the 5th game; Beckett has a solid chance at beating Sabathia…Schilling/Wakefield does not.

    Devine October 16, 2007, 6:02 pm
  • I hate to be a small sample zealot, but Wake’s post-season numbers probably are not predictive of anything good or bad.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:03 pm
  • I see. A veteran with playoff experience deserves cherry-picked stats.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • If I were a Sox fan, my biggest concern would be his awful second half and whether it will continue into the post-season.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • Uggg, it’s not so much his numbers fellas, get past that. It’s that he is a veteran who has pitched in the playoffs before. You aren’t throwing sh*t up against the wall and hoping it sticks for Pete’s sake. What I don’t understand is why the emphasis on Wake, but no optimism about a very average pitcher starting for your opponent?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 6:05 pm
  • Trisk, it’s the natural psychological state of most sports fans to focus on the weaknesses of the team they root for when in a particularly high-stress situation.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:07 pm
  • That’s exactly my point, Nick. He hasn’t pitched since September 29th. There’s absolutely no way to know what they’re going to get on a rainy, windy, cold, night. And I think most would be more shocked by a well-pitched game than an absolute stinker.
    Wakefield is going to get killed. Phillips just called it the right decision.
    But Tim Kurjian reported that Beckett didn’t step up and grab the start. Instead, he said his arm felt sore.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:08 pm
  • “Wakefield is going to get killed. Phillips just called it the right decision.”
    I have to say this is the most compelling argument against starting Wakefield. The conversation has ended.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • a little off-topic but do people agree with Will Leitch when he says that the Rockies have to be considered the favorites in any match-up in the WS?

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • but no optimism about a very average pitcher starting for your opponent?
    Because Byrd sucked against New York, and won.
    Because Westbrook shut down the bats last night.
    And because the Sox had five innings in which to score in Game 2, and couldn’t do it then either.
    Sorry, but I can’t be confident anymore when we have a guy who hasn’t shown any ability to pitch well of late or in the postseason (mostly) on the mound, and the bats haven’t shown any ability after the first half of Game 2 to actually come through in any kind of clutch situation.
    And, for the record, I love Wakefield. I’ve defended him many a time. He’s very valuable for what he is as a 4/5/long guy. But he’s not the guy I want in this spot right now.

    Paul SF October 16, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • Has Joe Morgan invaded this site? So it’s Wake’s veteranness that makes him a great starter for tonight.
    I predict that Lester pitches better than Wake tonight. The only question is whether Byrd bests them both.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • “I just don’t see the Sox winning this game with Wake pitching. ”
    I just don’t understand this kind of thinking. It’s truly mind boggling. You constantly denigrateyour team–gonna drop a bag of flaming dog poop on tek’s lawn!–before they even have a chance to act. It’s like you suck the joy out of the entire game. There’s a lot of moaning here about Yankee fans and their “sense of entitlement” but i think maybe it’s the reverse.

    YF October 16, 2007, 6:13 pm
  • I think Paul is less than a mile from the Tobin and his pace is getting brisker.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:14 pm
  • Don’t put words in my mouth Pete I never said it makes him a great starter. What I said was it’s not an awful move. A manager coach always has to assume the best of his players, not the worst. With that said, the Sox are best suited to get through tonight with Wakefield and some bullpen arms and then come back with Beckett on FULL rest against Sabathia. This game more then likely won’t be pretty, but it’s a winnable game against a very hittable pitcher.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 6:14 pm
  • it says here that this thread is all about sox fans practicing an extreme form of reverse jinx voodoo.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:14 pm
  • Nick –
    I think the Rox will encounter the Tiger Syndrome. Eight days off are going to kill their momentum.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:15 pm
  • man alive, reading all this, you’d think that the Sox were trotting out derek lowe circa September 2004 or something.

    Airk October 16, 2007, 6:17 pm
  • Oh. Okay. Nevermind.

    YF October 16, 2007, 6:18 pm
  • Right John. Then before Game 7 you’ll be citing Dice-K high school stats to say how he knows how to pitch under pressure and how the Sox were right to structure their rotation that way.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:18 pm
  • I’d love for Derek Lowe to be starting tonight. That guy had giant brass ball in October of 04 ergo he’d be fantastic tonight after three weeks off.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:19 pm
  • I thought Arroyo had the giant brass balls.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:20 pm
  • it’s kind of weird but I’ve been really into this series. Usually it’s hard to watch after the Yanks are done for the season, but this is a great series.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:22 pm
  • “Puppies have nothing to do with baseball.”
    re-reading this post, it just occurred to me that you sadly can’t write that about football.
    I know it’s late but I try to give social commentary when it’s not needed.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:24 pm
  • Nice, Nick.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • By the way, any one read about how Dice-K went Private Pyle last night?
    Yeah, the Sox know exactly what they’re doing.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:28 pm
  • Looks like this game is getting played tonight, for better or worse:
    http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USOH0195
    TONIGHT
    Low 59° F
    Precip 30%
    Chance of a shower or two during the evening, followed by partly cloudy skies overnight. Low 59F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 6:28 pm
  • I bow to your knowledge of the game Pete, LOL. You win.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 6:28 pm
  • puppies.
    puppies.
    Puppies will get me through this game. I’m done with Baseball Jebus, time to start praying to Puppies.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF October 16, 2007, 6:30 pm
  • And I anxiously await the day you have something interesting to say, John.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:31 pm
  • ESPN just showed the highlights from the Rox run. Still very crazy to think that they’ve won 20 of 21 must-win games.
    Even crazier that the Sox could have had Helton for Lowell and Tavarez and I wonder if both teams wouldn’t have been in exactly the same place.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:33 pm
  • As oppossed to your constant criticism of the front office? Right.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 6:35 pm
  • Nah. The front office knows exactly what they’re doing. They’re omniscient, actually.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 6:36 pm
  • fellas, it’s about the puppies.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 6:36 pm
  • So yeah, speaking of the Rockies. Speaking cold-hearted and objectively, they can’t possibly be the favorites. But as a Baseball fan, it’s hard to imagine them not being favorites in some sense of the word. And I’ll bet Vegas will have whatever WS matchup at close to even odds. They’ve been playing mind-blowing Baseball. My fragile brain wilts under their hotness, and I’m not being facetious.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 6:40 pm
  • Sporting News says Dustin is the ROY:
    http://tinyurl.com/2mlpwb
    Official vote in November.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • I already have a headache and the game hasn’t even started yet.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF October 16, 2007, 6:43 pm
  • I’m more of a kittens guy. Those puppies are buggin’ me.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 6:43 pm
  • On the Rockies being favored, it is pretty hard to bet against a team that is as hot as any team has ever been in October. On them getting cold in 8 days, game 1 of the WS will be the big tell – a win there and their “momentum” is in full swing. Lose there and things get more interesting.
    As for Wakefield tonight, if it’s true that Beckett said his arm is sore, it would be stupid to try to push a start for him. And being one game back in a long series is not a time to panic. In case anyone forgot, the other pitcher tonight is Paul Byrd.
    Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be very happy to see Byrd pull a Kenny Rogers on Boston tonight. I just don’t see the degree of concern when the series is at 2-1.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 6:47 pm
  • I’m sort of hoping Wakefield is the one who can pull a Byrd. Or a Kenny Rogers, if you prefer roasted chicken.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 6:49 pm
  • The thing that’s giving me the jitters is that the Sox now have to win 3 of 4 to go to the Series. That’s a tall order, the way they’ve played the past two games.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 6:53 pm
  • I just saw that the Sox have released their ’08 schedule, and that rumored Yankee series in Fenway to end the season is included. Is this old news already?

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • “I just don’t see the degree of concern when the series is at 2-1.”
    That’s my point IH. This is not a best of 5 series. If it was I would agree, you need to throw your best out there in a must win game. You set up your rotation prior to the series with all of this in mind. Why would you want to risk Beckett on 3 days rest against Paul Byrd? It’s a game that can be won without his dominance. Worst case scenario you have Beckett and Schilling, two of the game’s best big game pitchers going in must win games on (here’s the key) FULL rest. It’s a panic move and I respect Tito for sticking to his guns. It’s a move the team can feed off of.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 7:00 pm
  • Trisk – agreed. Both Francona and Wedge are sticking to their guns. Last series Wedge did it against us and it worked our pretty well for him – both for that series and for this one.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 7:05 pm
  • Boston Lineup for tonight:
    1. D Pedroia, 2B
    2. K Youkilis, 1B
    3. D Ortiz, DH
    4. M Ramirez, LF
    5. M Lowell, 3B
    6. J Drew, RF
    7. C Crisp, CF
    8. D Mirabelli, C
    9. J Lugo, SS

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 7:14 pm
  • Even if the Sox win tonight, it’s a best of three with Sabathia and Carmona, the former at home. The Sox absolutely have to win tonight. And sending a pitcher out after three weeks off is not a good place to start. And Wedge wasn’t facing a must-win game.
    Gotta love the logic though, John. First, it’s Wake’s veteranness, but only from 2003. Now, the team can feed off of Tito’s logic. But sending Beckett against Byrd is a risk. Really brilliant stuff. Can’t wait to hear your very predictable take on Game 7 (if it gets that far).

    Pete October 16, 2007, 7:16 pm
  • Mirabelli!
    Wouldn’t it be great if, after all this back and forth and second-guessing, neither pitcher is sharp and the game is close into the late innings, and Dougie Five Days pokes the decisive runs over the mini-Green-Monster at the Jake?

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 7:27 pm
  • I’m frankly dumbfounded that there’s anyone who believes the Sox are doing the right thing. Not only are they screwing up tonight, they’re screwing up that potential Game 7. As Sam said earlier, they’re trading a start from Beckett for a start from Wake. That’s a horrible decision, especially since they could go to Wake at any time, and still have Beck available for Game 7.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • That 6-thru-9 is brutal. Maybe they’ll surprise us.
    Jacoby must be fit to be tied, sitting on the bench watching J.D. and Coco put up (mostly) zeros.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 7:31 pm
  • I love Francona’s comments re: Wakefield:
    “You’ve just gotta sit on your hands and watch him work”
    Great recipe for postseason success.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 7:34 pm
  • It’s almost Torre-esque.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF October 16, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • And then there’s Mirabelli.
    Still, I love your optimism FSP.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 7:36 pm
  • It’s almost game time, I have no choice but to be optimistic.
    On that note, I forecast a Sox victory tonight. With the amount of assured skepticism and worse that’s been bandied about (of which I am certainly guilty), it all has to add up to something totally amazing and marvelous. I mean, we can’t know EVERYTHING, right?

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 7:40 pm
  • First off, don’t put words in my mouth. I told you that once already.
    I don’t understand why you are having such a hard time following. By not starting Beckett, you give your ACE, quite possibly the most dominant pitcher in the game FULL rest and a chance to shut down the Indians for a second time. Especially with the conditions being as they are, why run the risk. It’s not a risk to pitch Beckett vs. Byrd, it’s a risk to pitch him on short rest in bad conditions in a game that is NOT a must win. This game will be decided by offense, not by either of these pitchers being dominant and that’s what Tito is banking on.
    As for Wake, him being a veteran absolutely plays into how well he will pitch tonight. You can call it cliche, unoriginal, whatever you’d like. Having experience in playoff games is an advantage. Like I said earlier you aren’t throwing sh*t against the wall, he has had some success, it hasn’t been all bad regardless of how long ago it was.
    Finally, players feed of off confidence moves and this is a confidence move. Tito is showing confidence in his TEAM as a whole, his gameplan and his veteran pitcher. If you don’t think the team will feed positively off that you don’t have much experience with team sports. If he did throw Beckett it would be forseen as a panic move and honestly that’s not this team’s style. You are talking about a team that came back from 3-0 to win not only the series, but the World Series. This team has never lacked confidence, why start now.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 7:41 pm
  • Mirabelli is batting 1.000 against Byrd. 2 hits, 1 double, 2 walks in 4 plate appearances.
    Keep up the positive thoughts FSP.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 7:43 pm
  • //You are talking about a team that came back from 3-0 to win not only the series, but the World Series. This team has never lacked confidence, why start now.//
    Because, as Jeter said in 2004 regarding his fate, this is not the same team. JD Drew is god-awful and we have a cast of guys who, while talented, don’t have the same charismatic zest as the 2004 team. 2004 had a lot of renegade attitude, the 2007 version is more sedate.
    So if the 2007 Red Sox win or lose it all, it will be because of their make up- not the team of 3 years ago.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF October 16, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • “Like I said earlier you aren’t throwing sh*t against the wall, he has had some success, it hasn’t been all bad regardless of how long ago it was.”
    I wonder what your thoughts are regarding Jaret Wright in the 2006 postseason.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 7:48 pm
  • Andrew, that’s the definition of throwing sh*t against the wall and hoping it sticks.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • And in Kevin Brown’s case, the wall won.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF October 16, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • How good or not Wakefield is simply isn’t the point any more. If the report that Beckett says his arm is sore is true, what other option are the Wakefield detractors advocating????

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • It’s not best of five right now. It’s “win tonight”. One game. That’s it. We win tonight, we’re all even with two games at home.
    Win.
    Tonight.

    SF October 16, 2007, 7:51 pm
  • “Andrew, that’s the definition of throwing sh*t against the wall and hoping it sticks.”
    But he had previous success in the playoffs, and had comparable numbers to Wakefield this year.
    What makes Wakefield so different than shit thrown at the wall?

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • IH:
    I didn’t hear any “sore arm” reports. But if they are accurate, then no argument here on the starting nod for Wake. None.
    I was critiquing the situation without that knowledge, and I think if Beckett IS healthy it’s a defensible position to want him to start tonight. If he’s hurt, then it’s not nearly as defensible.

    SF October 16, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • What makes Wakefield so different than shit thrown at the wall?
    Shit doesn’t have an unflinching faith in Jesus.
    On the other hand, shit doesn’t think a man lived inside a whale for the better part of two months.

    SF October 16, 2007, 7:53 pm
  • PUPPIES!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SF October 16, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • Right, so you want Beckett to get one game on full rest. I want him to get one game on 3/4 rest and another on FULL rest.
    The only thing that matters for Wake is that he hasn’t pitched in three weeks. Except for the fact that he pitched great in 2003. Really, brilliant analysis.
    And the Yankees seemed really confident last week and the week before that. How’d that work out? Actually, a little known fact about modern baseball bats – they have confidence sensors. The more confident the batter, the more power in the stroke – just like video games. And luckily after the last two games, the Sox confidence is off the charts.
    The “team” that came back from 3-0 down doesn’t exist anymore. Exactly, six of the 25 were on that team. And the guy pitching tonight contributed exactly 7 ER in 7 IP of that series. But he’s got veteranness!

    Pete October 16, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • SF –
    The only “report” was Tim Kurjin for a ten second report on ESPN. Let’s see if it’s repeated.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 7:57 pm
  • SF: I don’t know the accuracy either – the comment, credited to Tim Kurkjian was noted by Pete on this thread at 6:08 pm. Which makes me doubly confused why Pete is arguing for Wakefield’s slot to be by-passed.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • “What makes Wakefield so different than shit thrown at the wall?”
    Whoa whoa whoa. I think this is a little extreme. He was our #4 starter this season, good starts, bad starts and everything else. Trisk has a totally valid point in reminding us that Wakefield is not gum that someone scraped off the bottom of their shoe. He was a regular rotation guy all season long.
    It doesn’t mean we can’t second guess this decision, if there was the chance of a better option, but that isn’t the same as saying Wakefield is complete garbage.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 7:58 pm
  • Soooo
    To start things off
    None of the Red Sox hitters are going to get a hit in the clutch
    Wakefield will pitch BP and be out in the 2nd
    The bullpen will be blown and the confidence will be shot going into a must-win game tomorrow.
    So – am I all cleared from reverse jinxing for the night now? :-P
    Jumping in here – I think it’s smart to pitch Wake – but only because I had heard about sore arm issues. That’s what I’m basing it on.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:00 pm
  • Because Jaret Wright’s success came prior to an arm injury where he lost velocity and movement on his ball. Look at his numbers prior to the injury, look at them after. Nice try though.
    In 6 LDS series his ERA was 7.68
    In 2 LCS series his ERA was 10.24
    In total 9 postseason series his ERA was 7.07
    Here are his ERA’s in the postseason:
    1997
    3.97 11.1 IP
    15.00 3.0 IP
    2.92 12.0 IP
    1998
    12.46 in 4.1 IP
    8.10 in 6.2 IP
    1999
    22.50 in 2 IP
    2003
    0.00 in 4 IP
    2004
    9.31 in 9.1 IP
    2006
    10.12 in 2.2 IP

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:01 pm
  • The only problem I have with the “veteran” comment re: Wakefield is that, as a knuckleballer, I think you have to judge him differently. Wily veterans who can pitch through a game even when he doesn’t have his best stuff (for the Yankees, Pettitte and, sometimes, Clemens – for the RS, Schilling) does not apply to Wakefield, or any knuckleballer in my view. My feeling re: Wake based solely on his starts vs. NY is that he either has it or he doesn’t. And when he doesn’t, he is a disaster for SFs and a boon(e) to YFs (sorry for that – couldn’t resist).
    This shows up in the same game too. When Wake has it and then loses it, he loses it very fast and the results are an immediate pounding.
    But again, I think this is all irrelevant for the decision of starting him or not. And I think it would be arguable to start him even if Beckett were feeling fine given that you are only one game down, it is a long series, and the other pitcher, again, is Byrd.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • I so incredibly hate Fox’s sports coverage

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • I know the roster, I am telling you it’s NOT the Red Sox circa 2004-Now style to panic and lack confidence. I wouldn’t care if one player was left from that team.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Iron –
    I’m saying, I’m not sure I believe it. Why, of all people, is Tim K the one to report that? And we haven’t seen anything repeated any where else? Meanwhile, if his arm is hurting, he’s a question for Game 5. Nah, it was reported as Beck not stepping up to grab the spot. The reason why was some vague “arm soreness”.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • Well I would assume with Wake Tito has him a a very short hook – if he’s giving things up; pull him and use Lester (isn’t he fresh?)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:04 pm
  • I said to someone today that with some pitchers, you are guarding against a mistake pitch. It happens, and you deal with it when it does, at least mentally. But with Wake EVERY pitch could be that mistake pitch, so watching him becomes that much more intense. I hate it.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • IH, I don’t disagree, but even if he doesn’t have his best stuff, you grit out the game with your bullpen and still have your Ace on full rest. The Sox don’t need Wakefield to be Cy Young in order to win this game, they need to HIT from the jump.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Meanwhile, Iron, the point on knuckleballers is that it’s completely a feel pitch that does best when there’s little or no wind (see his record against Tampa). But Wake for the first time in three weeks in terrible whether is somehow LESS risky than Beck on short rest?
    Un-freakin-believable.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • John – great point. At a certain level the real issue has not been your pitchers – it has been the bats. None of them have pitched so poorly as to put a game out of reach (I put Gagne out of this discussion) but the bats have just not been hitting especially in the clutch.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • Yup, have your ace on full rest for one game versus starting two must-win games. Makes a ton of sense.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:08 pm
  • Pete are you thick headed, the RISK is pitching BECKETT on short rest in bad weather. Risk meaning INJURY, not risk meaning LOSING. Dude if you are going to be a douche, at least be an accurate douche.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • Don’t you know, Rob, that the bats have just lacked confidence. And by Tito sticking by Wake, that’s all the confidence they need?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Seriously, you are twisting all my points to make your point. You can disagree, but don’t twist my words.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • I don’t even understand your gibberish anymore.
    John, it’s about time you came out as a Sox Fan

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Please tell me when I said the bats lacked confidence???

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Random question in assessing Wake – besides the question of whether or not he’ll be “on” (which is hit or miss); but is there another Knuckler out there that Cleveland might have seen?
    Tape is all well and good – but again it’s seeing a pitcher for the first time that makes the difference. Again, you can see Mo all you want, but that first time you face the cutter…

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Is it me or does Pete seem to be arguing two sides? I’m confused.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • “Un-freakin-believable”
    Pete, you seem rather agitated. Remember, your team is playing. Mine (and Trisk’s) is not. That should calm you a bit.
    As for Wake in bad weather vs. Beckett on short rest, I think it is debatable given where this is in the (long) series, that’s all. You think it’s a no-brainer. Fine. Given that your team’s professional manager is going the same way, it’s actually pretty “freaking believable”, even if you don’t agree with it.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Atheose – I already drank tonight – so I’m confused already :-P

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Pete’s comment is based on me calling him a Yankee fan posing as a Sox fan. That’s the backstory on that.
    Rob the only knuckler in the AL (other then Wake, that I know of) is the kid in Texas, but I don’t know if Cleveland faced him.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • Rob, the White Sox have a knuckleballer that they’ve probably seen a bit, but he’s not as good as Wake, and he throws a lot of other stuff. Wake, on the other hand, throws knucklers about 95% of the time.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • I think they should pitch Beckett for games 4, 5, 6, and 7. After all, if he loses any of them, the next one becomes a “must win” and who would you rather have out there??? Un-flipping real.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • The towels do look a little silly in Cleveland – I mean when it’s a tradition (“Terrible Towels”) it’s cool, part of a legacy, etc. etc.
    Does this happen regularly? Otherwise, it seems forced “gotta hand out something to the fans!”

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Did anyone just see what Girardi said in the pregame on Fox?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • John, don’t worry. We all know who Woos–err, I mean Pete–roots for.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Goddamnit, I was hoping we could go more than 10 minutes without an Aaron Boone reference.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Rob, it’s better then those awful thunder sticks!

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • What did Girardi say?? “I just got a call from a guy named Hank asking what I am doing next March-October?”

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • John – you mean the part about Dustin Pedroia not getting on base enough, but you hate to blame it on just one guy?

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Rob, you’re right. They had the towels in Colorado, too. Never seen them in the regular season.
    The Fenway Faithful don’t need no stinkin’ towels!

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Thanks John – Atheose; I only ever know of Wake because we play him alot. But figured there had to be a few others out there.
    You know – I agreed with Gammons when he talked about that Boone hit – I would’ve much preferred it coming off one of the Boston pitchers I wanted to hit in the face – Wake I’ve always thought of as generally a nice guy. (Gammons was making the point he thought it was a crazy occurrence to happen between two guys he couldn’t like more)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Sorry Atheose. My present is done. I have to live int he past for a few months.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Oh — I thought you were talking about my “boone” reference…I am not watching TV.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • No Girardi thinks there is more to Beckett not pitching tonight. He thinks he could have tired arm or some stiffness or else he would have taken the ball tonight.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Hehe, it’s okay Ironhorse. I figure it’s the least Fox can do for all the Yankees fans who are watching and cheering on the Indians.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • I remember one time going to our local AAA team game and they handed out rally cards (to hold up when they said) – so we of course had fun holding them up every time BUT when they asked.
    It seemed pretty silly to us (and we were rooting for our home team)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Is it just me or does Youk look like he’s entirely pissed off that he was ordered (asked?) to do this for Fox?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Girardi is just speculating. He knows jack.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • The “crafty” Paul Byrd – and so the crappy commentary begins…

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • I hate Paul Byrd, I am not rooting for the Indians. Yes hell will most likely freeze over.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Jesus. Not even the first pitch and we’ve already got Byrd called “crafty”…

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Pedroia, WHAT THE FUCK? Look at a few pitches for christ’s sake.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Sox lost game two because Coco hit a bomb too far to the left, and Youk hit a rope that hung up an extra second or two. They lost game three because Dice-K dug them a hole and the bats did jack against a mediocrity. There’s really not much to it. The Sox have been slightly outplayed by a superb team. I have no bitterness towards the Indians right now: they have played the better of the two teams. This series has been damn close; either team could be up a game right now.
    Now Paul Byrd is on the mound. If we don’t score more than three or four runs against this guy in a few innings we will deserve whatever we get.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • Oh Pedroia. That was just bad luck.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • Yeah Rob I agree, most guys throw in a nickname or two…Youk was all business, if you are a Sox fan you have to love that.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • John, you can always root for bugs to descend and piss off BOTH teams. That’s what I would do if I was a Yanks fan.
    Youk gets behind 0-2, and then flies out.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • Not a good start.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • John – he was just like ” ::sigh:: Me playing first….David Ortiz….::rolling eyes::” etc.
    It was probably the best entertainment Fox will give us all night!

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • LOL true Atheose. I am actually only watching a few innings then I am going to finally watch We Are Marshall.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • John, I love how intense Youk is. Though it’s easier to like when he’s hitting well.
    Ortiz behind 1-2. Please don’t let Byrd get a 1-2-3 inning!
    Ortiz strikes out.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Wow – Paul freaking Byrd….
    I guess someone has to be the Kenny Rodgers of these playoffs

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • What the fuck was that retarded windup? Was that new or have I somehow missed that every time?

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Wow, the announcers were silent after Ortiz K’d. They just let the crowd noise play.
    Maybe they’ll do that after every play! A night without commentary!

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • i love the way byrd swings his arms behind his back before moving into his windup. it’s a very old school style, in a wiffle-ball kind of way. really pushed it in that first pitch to pedroia

    YF October 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • SF, he double-clutches a lot. He thinks it throws hitters off.
    Hell, maybe it does.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • So you wonder if they “planned” that clip for during the playoffs? They wouldn’t be that “crafty” (like a Paul Byrd) would they?
    ::rolling eyes::
    Worst part is its an entirely dumb “skit”

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • We’ve scored in only one of the previous 15 innings. That will win you just about nothing.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • SF, he did it against the Yankees. That double wind up. It’s pretty aggrevating.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • “A night without commentary!”
    Atheose – THAT would cause hell to freeze over.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • i love the way byrd swings his arms behind his back
    I bet you do. It’s so 1902.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • looks like sf noticed the same thing. no. i don’t think he was doing it against the yanks.

    YF October 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • “Hitting 7th, the Mountain Man, Casey Blake”
    Glad his own teammates make fun of him for it.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • Why are MFYF’s in this thread, any ways? Don’t they have somewhere else to be, like watching cheesy football movies or something?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • Well, this is going to be either a scoreless inning or we are going to be behind 5-0.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • He didn’t do it against every Yankees batter, but he did do it YF.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Well you’re here Pete, why don’t YOU tell us? ;-)
    Ahaha I crack myself up.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Isn’t pitching the knuckleball the definition of throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks?

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Pete, there were plenty of SFs in the Yanks-Indians Game Four thread. They are welcome here, no funny business OK?

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Nice of Fox to point out that Wake does little to control the running game too. Not that it matters against the Indians…

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • “blistering 75mph fastball” – Oooo buck you are SO creative in your commentary
    Why does he have a job again?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Byrd was doing it against the Yankees. I remember it seeming to bother Matsui in one of his early ABs in game 4

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • I am not a Boston fan, but how douche was it to play the commerical for that awful movie with the clip of Buckner?

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Good start, Tim!
    The remote control is in serious jeopardy tonight.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • SF, Byrd went in and out of that double-pump-wind-up in the game he won vs. NY last week…he did it against Matsui starting without it, then going to it on the 3rd or 4th pitch. Matsui then stepped out of the box the nxt itme he did it in between the first and second “pump” and Byrd got pissed. He walked off the mound and appealed to the ump not to allow the time-out call that late into his wind-up. He then single-pumped and Matsui smacked the ball for a single or double – I forget which. I think it is part of his CRAFTIness – double-pumping then not, submarining the ball then throwing from 12 o’clock, etc.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • I am not a Boston fan, but how douche was it to play the commerical for that awful movie with the clip of Buckner?
    Wouldn’t it be more au courant to have a reenactment of a Tony Womack flare in that movie?

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Yeah Ironhorse, I saw that.I would be pissed off too if an ump called time during my windup, no matter how wierd it is.
    Timmy with the K

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • It’s always funny watching Wake pitch because you look at it on the TV and go “come on HIT IT!” because it looks so easy – and then they show it from the pitchers perspective (in slow-mo or normal speed) and then you go “oh”

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • I don’t know why Mirabelli bothered throwing to 2nd on that one.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Really, why have Beckett start two games when you can have him start one?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Maybe too late to ask – but with stats I’ve seen with Tek (pretty good against Byrd) would you have put him in vs. Mirabelli?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Nice K of Hafner!

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Nice K. One last BIG out here.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Hafner K’s!
    McCarver just said “It’s almost like he PUSHES the ball rather than throws it”
    Dude, that’s the fricken definition of a knuckleball. Thanks for the amazing insight.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Suggestion: TURN THE SOUND OFF THE TV. Works miracles.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Why have Beckett start only two when he could start 4?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Ball hit right at Drew, Timmy out of the inning. Whew.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Wake gets out of the 1st on a flyout.

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Yes!! Great job, Timmeh!

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Hey Iron, I think John needs someone to hold the tissue box during his movie.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • Why have Beckett only throw 120 when he could throw 180?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • YAAAAAAAY.
    Also, Pete, please be nice to the YFs. Trisk’s comments upthread were the only ones I’ve read all day that didn’t make me want to kill myself.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • Why have me hold the tissues for Trisk when Josh Beckett could do it?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Pete, cut the crap, please. Can you and John not bait each other tonight from here on out?

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Same to you, IH: can we not have this tonight? I know it’s not easy…

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • SF: Fair enough. But that last one was kind of funny, wasn’t it?
    Don’t answer that. I will reign it back in.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • “Can you and John not bait each other tonight from here on out?”
    I have been here for 2 hours, talking baseball getting attacked by Pete. I called him a douche after being constantly attacked, I don’t see how I am baiting. Regardless you are the boss, I will not address him.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Reading this is better than the latest politics ticker on CNN.

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Yup, really, there’s no history on an “ace” starting Games 1, 4 and 7. I’m surprised I’m the first to think of it in baseball history.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Guys guys, come on
    Don’t make me regret finding this site this year – was so happy we could come together and talk baseball without the craziness
    Wow Byrd is weird to watch – I finally am watching him since I barely wanted to watch as he was shutting us down last game.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • manny first pitch swinging, that’s a rarity.

    sf rod October 16, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • McCarver is acting like the double-clutch is the most brilliant, masterful thing he’s ever seen.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • Sorry about the anon

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • Good hit by Manny – needed to break up this weird bizzaro-world where Byrd was pitching a gem.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • AHAHAHAHA Manny makes the double-clutch look like it was thrown by a highschooler. Rips a 1-2 pitch to left field.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Nice hit by Manny. I can’t believe the Indians aren’t starting Sanatana.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • uh…that was supposed to be Sabathia

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Manny advanced by Lowell grounder.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Rob, it’s all baseball all the time here. Go back to the Game #4 thread, it was 50/50 Sox to Yankee fans and we still had fun, even in defeat. We actually created a drinking game that helped ease the pain.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Lowell moves Manny over to 2nd. This ump’s strikezone is a great deal larger than last night, though I dunno which pitcher that might help more.
    Let’s hope Beckett has a generous K-zone on Thursday.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • IH – I was wondering…
    Though that would be cool if you made it to the ALCS you could start cherry-picking from any other team for a “ringer”
    Maybe that should be the award for your league winning the All Star Game

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Was Tavarez on the ALCS roster?

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Random and only slightly on topic – did it occur to anyone that if we’d kept the ALDS rotation (pitched Matsuzake in Gm2 and Schill in Gm3) we’d be up 2-1 instead of down 1-2? Sigh.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • John – totally agree (that’s why I liked finding this site)
    Oh goodness was that really chicken-suit wearing Byrd fans?
    Wow – he’s really cutting that ball on the inside really well.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Drew down on strikes.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Man, Drew has such a humongous hole in his swing, it just isn’t even funny anymore.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • I’m following this game via WRKO…never listened to these guys before. This is so much more rational than John Sterling and S. Waldman. But then again, so is a room full of monkeys on acid.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Does Manny hate his batting helmet or what? Everytime i see him on second the first thing he does is take that thing off. Also when he is running hard for a base he knocks it off. hilarious.

    Sam-YF October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Rob SF – I saw him on the bench last night (I think)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • No Tavarez. But if Gagne were to somehow mysteriously become injured…

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Maybe Jackie.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Rob: either that or you get to choose who will manage the other team. Grady Little might get to see some October action again…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Seriously – WTF?
    Byrd?
    What?!?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Drew K’s. Damnit Byrd, stop acting like you’re an Ace.
    Coco K’s on a pitch very borderline.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Appears the strike zone has grown since last night.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Assuming they turned in similar performances, I mean.
    OH MY GOD JUST PUT ELLSBURY IN. Watching Coco is painful (though that last pitch was pretty nasty).

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Why can’t our mediocre pitchers ever pitch well in games when it matters?

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Andrew – was thinking the exact same thing!

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Where’s Brad when you need him? Byrd consistently throws changeups low and in to lefties, something pitchers should never ever do, yet he keeps getting K’s…Please put up 12 on him NOW, I can’t take it anymore.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Andrew: I would have settled for our ace pitching well in a game when it mattered…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • OOo I got a better idea – the team who wins the All Star game next year gets to award the honor of killing Dane Cook to one of their fans

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • Nifty first pitch there

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • I don’t know, I thought Jon Lieber did pretty well a couple years back, Andrew.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • Knew it – John IS a SF. I’ve never known a YF to root for the Sox unless it was going to help the Yanks.
    (And that’s not baiting. It’s an obvious fact at this point.)

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • The Red Sox really look like the did at their worst moments of the regular season these last 16 innings. Those were the moments when I was most down on the team and when I was most worried about their postseason chances. It pains me to think that I might have been right about them, but every inning that passes gets me a little more convinced that I saw the fatal flaws long ago.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Raise your hands if you thought THIS game was going to be a pitcher’s duel?
    Anyone?
    Bueller?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Rob, I like the way your brain works.
    The MVP should get to choose manner of death… I think multiple Beckett fastballs to the head would be my preferred instrument.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Wow, Wakefield looking amazing this inning. Blake down.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • I would not have predicted 4 Ks for WaKKKKe after two innings, no.
    I can still enjoy it, though.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • “Please put up 12 on him NOW, I can’t take it anymore.”
    Trisk, what are you saying!?

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • You know what would be better than a Cook death? A Cook CAREER death.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • It’s too bad the Sox didn’t recognize those flaws when they had a 10 game division lead, huh?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:53 pm
  • These are pitchers we are carrying on the roster for this series:
    Josh Beckett
    Daisuke Matsuzaka
    Curt Schilling
    Tim Wakefield
    Jon Lester
    Jonathan Papelbon
    Eric Gagne
    Hideki Okajima
    Mike Timlin
    Manny Delcarmen
    Javier Lopez
    Why is Tavarez not on here. We could definately use his craftiness.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Paul Byrd, my hatred for him Nick, at least right now, has surpassed my dislike for the Sox.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Jackie: multiple Wakefiled knucklers to the head would be much more painful – it would take a couple years to kill him that way.
    SF, I am very close to unloading on the one I am supposed to not unload on…please let me know if/when I am allowed.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • “I don’t know, I thought Jon Lieber did pretty well a couple years back, Andrew.”
    I mean post-Game 4.
    I was at that Jon Lieber game. I hadn’t even thought about John Olerud for more than a year before I reviewed past Yankee postseason wins on baseball reference.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Pete, there’s something a little insane about what you’re saying. The Sox are in the freaking ALCS competing against a very strong team. There are not many teams or front offices that can claim this level of success this year.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • I’m REALLY glad I didn’t consider a drinking game where I drink when either of these pitchers got a K (or in addition got out of an inning with no score)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • SF is right – career death is preferable (to think that douche got to star as a love interest to Jessica Alba….dah!)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Nick, agreed…to be more exact, there are only two.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Is this the night that Belli unloads on someone?

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • It’s not just me thinking that way, Nick. But the flaws have been the bullpen and the bottom of the order. Funny enough, they have kids that could have helped both and they’re watching this game rather than playing in it.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Rob SF – Would you have preferred starting Tek?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Ignore Pete. His real name starts with “W” and ends with “Oosta”. He’s here to antagonize. Every post on every thread, antagonistic.
    Miriabelli draws a full count, and then flies out to right. Not bad for him, and better than Pedroia’s at-bat.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Rob, don’t forget Jessica Simpson.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • DOUGIES GOIN DEEP TONIGHT!

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Oh, IH, you win.
    I would so much like for Dougie to go deep tonight. Why not, everything else in this series has been like “opposite day”…

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Not sure Rob, it is like choosing between getting hit a belt or a Singaporian bamboo cane.
    Either are going to hurt.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • ::sigh::
    The man must be put in intolerable pain
    Can we make him star in one of the innumerable Saw films that seem to be coming out?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • SF, I am very close to unloading on the one I am supposed to not unload on…please let me know if/when I am allowed.

    You aren’t. Please, just use discipline.

    SF October 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • What was the Indians-Sox regular season series record?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • What an abomination of an offense.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Lugo grounds out, and Byrd snags the ball out of the air. If the ball had gone over him then Lugo might have been safe.
    Oh, and Julio Franco has to be the oldest man to hit a homer in a postseason game. I love Julio.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Puppies. Please, I need puppies.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Rob SF – Ok, was just wondering – I had seen he had good stats against Byrd and didn’t know if you wanted that offense. I mean I doubt Tek would miss the Knuckler – he seems to have defense down this series (even if his bat isn’t there as much)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • What the hell are you talking about, Atheose?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Come on Gecko!! Take him deep!

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • I just broke out the can of Pringles in the hotel room mini-bar. This is really a desperate grab at extending the baseball-following-season for me.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • Dustin!! I am okay with getting things started with two outs.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Good reach for a hit there – I’m sure Sox fans are happy to see him break out a bit.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • SHUT UP, CLEVELAND. STUFF THOSE TOWELS UP YOUR AS–.
    Er, sorry.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Bird costumes? If I ever go to Yankee stadium dressed as Bullwinkle, kill me.
    Time to hit and run Tito.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Come on Gecko!! Take him deep!
    A single through the right side seems acceptable also.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • PEDROIA SINGLES! YES!
    We’ve needed him to start getting on base. Youk up, extend the inning to Ortiz please. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing Ortiz lead-off an inning.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Two hits in a row!!
    Holy spandex!!

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Two out bingo! Come on, Papi. Take this ugly #4 suckass starter deep.
    Or, just get a single.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Yoooooooooooooooooouk!
    Ortiz up, RISP.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Youk hits a rope into left field, this time it DOESN’T hang up too long.
    Papi up.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Pedroia will be a much better player when he figures out he should stop swinging like he’s Reggie Jackson.

    MJL in L.A. (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • ortiz with a chance to change all of our feelings about this series. second time through the lineup should do us some good.

    sf rod October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • First pitch, hit the first pitch.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Holy spandex?

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Cleveland with the “Boston sucks” cheer. Bleh.
    Come on Ortiz, silence them. 0-2 count.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • those are $30 pringles IH.

    sf rod October 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Seemed appropriate Jackie.
    Sorry.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • If anyone gets a pass for swinging at the first pitch, it’s Ortiz.
    Wow, ball 1 sure looked close, expecially with this ump’s strikezone. Make them pay Ortiz.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Worth it to pitch outside with this expanded strike-zone; have no idea what these two guys would have done with the ump last night.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Don’t worry Atheose, they chanted Yankees Suck also.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • SFRod: goes well with the $8 bottle of water. But then again, what could make you feel more like you were at the game?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Ortiz grounds out. 2 men stranded.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Drat. That’s just not going to cut it from the middle of the order.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • SFs what was the story with Ortiz and the knee comment? It was reported that he told ESPN Deportes that he considered sitting for the rest of the ALCS after Sat’s game because of how bad it hurt, then said today that the comments were blown out of proportion and he never considered sitting out.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Dammit. Just can’t catch a break.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • *le sigh*
    I know it wasn’t bases loaded/nobody out, but didn’t this happen to us last night too?

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Oh I remember, John. I was happy to hear it. But now that I’m on the receiving end of it…

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • I was just wondering if there was a story to it. My husband rowed crew in college and hol(e)y spandex was the last thing you wanted to see…
    Ortiz makes me sad.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • Now if you could only get roll call or Freddy Sez in your hotel room IH…

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • “Boston Sucks” cheer.
    What’s to argue with, frankly? Right now that’s an apt description of our team. No quibbles.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • Yay he got cut off before he finished his promo….YAAAAAY

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • IH Ortiz said he took a cortisone shot, but didn’t want to. I believe his exact words were I’m old school, I would rather drink a cup of tea and get some rest. Apparently he was layed up on the off days completely off the knee.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • “Cleveland has scored first in each of the first three games”
    That’s a jinx if I’ve ever heard one! Thanks Buck.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • Wow, the ump’s strikezone is suddenly small. Bah.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • Trisk: Good idea. I’ll start banging on the metal garbage can with my spoon

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Thanks Trisk. Ortiz is a real man. Impossible to deny that.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • Yay he got cut off before he finished his promo…
    Let’s hope this is not the best thing that happens all evening. Although at this point I will take any scrap (or, you know, huge slice) of happiness I can get.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • Wakefield K’s Shoppach! The rest has done him well so far.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • McCarver just said, basically, that the catcher can use his body to block a ball. Wow.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Sadly, that goes on McCarver’s “insightful” list.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Wow, Youk caught that with his armpit. That’s some serious talent.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Youk makes a great play, and then Cabrera flies out. Inning over.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Wakefield apparently didn’t get the memo abot how bad he was supposed to suck tonight. Damn.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Good thing for Sox fans – Wake looks to be “on” tonight; which means he can just push his way through the innings
    With Byrd you think it’s more likely he’ll screw up.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Completely off topic, but how cool is it that a car company is using a Clash song in a commercial?

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Wow, Youk caught that with his armpit.
    Interestingly, Youk’s armpit looks just like his chin.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • Interestingly, Youk’s armpit looks just like his chin.
    But at least he can tell his ass from his elbow.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Come on Manny. We need something here.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • I don’t know anon…how pathetic is it that the Clash gave the rights to their song to a car company?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Lowell crushed that ball, but it’s a fly-out. Two down for Nancy.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • What is Byrd’s pitch count? (I’m not asking about Wake since I’ve never thought it mattered)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • This is brutal, once Byrd gets through Lowell you figure its gonna be two innings before any threat might happen.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Well least Nancy looked good as he completely whiffed

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Paul Byrd pitching on borrowed time here. Skating on thin ice. Teetering on the cliff’s edge. Walking on a knife’s edge. Playing with fire…
    any other cliches??

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Drew singles?

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • byrd at 48-38.

    sf rod October 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • ::gasp::
    You’re kidding me…
    So was Byrd not “crafty” there Carver? Please let me know

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Drew unimpressed by the double-clutch, singling to right field. And of course McCarver and Buck are astonished that it didn’t fool Drew, because the double-clutch is the greatest piece of pitching the world has ever seen.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • The crafty double pump fails to fool JD Drew! But it doesn’t matter because Coco is up and there are two outs.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • HE WAS OUT!
    Oh well. Umpiring at least is consistently horrible.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • Wow…another flyout, another stranded runner.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • This team is just soft right now. Can they score any runs without a longball?
    Pathetic timing for this.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • I wonder – is the first base ump the same idiot who was behind the plate last game? (that would explain it)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • note to visiting yf’s, no jinxing tonite.
    you know what i’m talking about.

    sf rod October 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Rob October 16, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • sf rod, you just jinxed it by saying “You know what I’m talking about”
    It’s only the 4th. So zip it.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Holy crap Wake strikes out Hafner, making him look silly. We’re definitely playing on Wakefield Standard Time.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Oh hey, Tim Wakefield is throwing a no-hitter.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Oh jeez. It worked. Now I feel bad. Almost.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • JINX!!!! lol

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • I deserve it, AndrewYF. I did that to Wang this year when he took a perfect game into the 8th.
    And right on cue, there’s the first hit.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Andrew….

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Damn, Wake gives up a hit.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Yeah, I’m evil. I didn’t read the ‘no jinxing please’ memo.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Of course, they were also showing a segment of the Fox asshats talking with Tito about how great Wake was pitching. So it was really a perfect storm of jinx.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Hey look, Time Wakefield is pitching a shut-….damn. I thought I really was magic. Evil magic.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Youk wrastles another hot shot down the line, inning over. I blame sf rod more for the hit than Andrew.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Oh, I see the flaw. I spelled his name wrong.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • well i’m back from my class, wake’s knuckle looks phenomenal, can we PLEASE get some runs of Paul FREAKIN Byrd???? Has he been pitching well? Or is our offense just stinking it up again?

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • this is criminal, we gotta get on Byrd right here

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Ed – go with your gut. What do you think the answer is?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • Has he been pitching well? Or is our offense just stinking it up again?
    I honestly can’t tell the difference any more. We’ve hit a few pretty hard, got several guys on, just can’t bring them in.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • A bit of both, Ed.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • my gut tells me it’s timely hitting… and this ump looks crappy…

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • So CC only wears his hat at the weird angle when pitching…

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • I take it back, 4 Ks for bird? We can’t hit

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Combo of Byrd actually pitching decently and the Sox just sucking major ass. Bad recipe.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • ok, bad luck too

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • Lugo crushes a ball to Lofton, who almost loses it in the lights. We’re getting a lot of hits like that.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • And those balls that ARE hit hard are right at guys. Bad hitting, bad luck when the ball is actually hit. That will eventually spell a 3-1 deficit in the series, if things don’t turn around.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Sox fans – by the way the rock you feel in your stomach as you watch Byrd pitch; welcome to our Game 4 hell
    Sucks doesn’t it – you just look at the screen and go “really?”

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Pedroia at .214, now lower,… should not be leading off, give the rookie a break and slide him down the line up

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Dusty first-pitch swinging again. He’s really stunk. Hate to pick on the kid, but he’s had a terrible, terrible playoffs. He ought not be leading off, with his approach at the moment.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • at least this isn’t an elimination game, though it probably is… at least you guys had gotten two runs by now… sheesh

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • byrd: 64-48 through 5.

    sf rod October 16, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • The only solace (not really solace, frankly) is that we are fairly and squarely being outpitched and outplayed. There can be no argument about who is a better team right now.
    It’s not us.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • Wake has looked great, if we don’t come back quickly here with authority then we deserve to lose

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • There’s the Wake we know and love, pissing away a series in one pitch. So fucking predictable.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • radio announcers made it sound like that was a bomb.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • This is just crap. I can see with the way the offense is going that we lose 1-0.

    Rob SF October 16, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • never has 1 run felt like such a deficit, come on offense

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Gutierrez singles over Lowell’s head. sf rod, I blame you for mentioning the no-hitter!

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • under no circumstances can this loss be placed on Wakefield

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Hrm – when do you take out Wake – let him finish this inning? Or is the series too important and you need to pull him the second he starts losing it?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • I would not be remotely upset if Tim Wakefield, Doug Mirabelli, and Jason Varitek all retired this offseason. I honestly don’t give a shit seeing them play for the Sox anymore. They are all excruciating to watch.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • And so it begins

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Shoppach leads into one and takes 1st base. 2 on, no outs.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Red Sox radio announcers give interesting stat:
    Wakefield vs. the # 7, 8, & 9 of all teams he faced this years: .314 BAA.
    Against hitters 1 – 6: .240 BAA.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Gee Shoppach was really trying to get out of the way there…
    Gotta feel weird getting plunked by a knuckler

    Rob October 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • oh just great, vtek in the game… the only consolation to any of this is fox will take a huge ratings hit when/if the sox don’t make the world series

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • under no circumstances can this loss be placed on Wakefield

    Bullshit. If he implodes and gives up three or four runs right now, then damn straight it’s on him, in a big way. Not entirely, but in a big way.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Maybe I am too much of a panicker, but given Wake’s all-or-nothingness, I would be yanking him very fast. Seems like he was “all” for 4 innings and “nothing” right now.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • Groundout to Pedroia, runner out at 2nd. Runners at the corners with 1 down.
    We need a K or DP.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • SF, you may have a point there, but can you really not blame the offense, we’ve looked horrendous for more than 25 innings now…

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:50 pm
  • we’re officially screwed now, although that may in fact have been a break… weirdness

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Maybe the bugs will show up..

    Lar October 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Wow, Youk/Pedroia bobble the ball. Runner would have scored though, so maybe it’s good.
    0-2 count

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • I haven’t watched the game – are they talking about the guileness of Byrd yet?

    Lar October 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Said it many times this season in game threads: this is the most excruciating talented team I have seen in about thirty years of cognizant Sox-watching. Some teams overachieved. Some underachieved, but this team is very talented yet plays a brand of baseball that makes me want to bash my head against hard objects. These last 2+ games are perfect examples of this.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Line drive off Wake’s glove, runner scores. Bah.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • Double play ball knocked down by Wakefield

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • yuck

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • Youkilis looked like he was going to strangle someone when he bobbled that ball.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • F*cking Christ. I feel like not a single thing has gone our way since the Manny/Lowell HRs in Game 2.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Can we convince Wake to retire after tonight’s game?
    Seriously, good riddance. This isn’t just momentary bitterness. I hate watching the guy pitch.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Youk always looks like he’s going to strangle someone.

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Season….slipping…..away

    Pocono Sox October 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Hafner K’s AGAIN. Thank you sweet zombie jesus.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • If wake gets out of this inning, he has pitched better than schilling and Dice K

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Enjoy the rest of the game. I am ceasing blogging. Nothing good has come of it, and maybe it will change the luck. Though I doubt it.
    And get to work, Theo.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Theo’s part of the problem if you ask me, every marvellous move he makes comes with two regrettable ones

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • Line drive through the left side, Lowell makes no effort to go after it. 3-0 Injuns.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Way to go, Wake. Way to surpass expectations.
    Seriously, RETIRE.
    I am outta here. Fucking puppies.

    SF October 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • 3 pitchers in a row have not made it past the fifth inning, let the blood lust about not pitching Beckett begin

    Ed October 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • The only negative for Cleveland winning, for me, is the awful “Cleveland rocks” after every goddamned inning where Cleveland does something.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • Wake: Still better than Schilling.
    I also quit. Time to go read a paper or something.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • Wake: Still better than Schilling and Dice K

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • What pisses me off is that Wakefield was pitching extremely well until this inning.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • 7ks, bad luck hits, and we’re facing the “Crafty veteran” Paul Byrd

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • VMart!

    YF October 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • Using an effective reliever in the middle innings? What a novel idea! I wish Joe Torre didn’t make any of the bullpen calls for the Yankees.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • Also, don’t speak so soon about Wake being better than Schilling. A homer here means Wake gave up 5 runs in 4+ innings.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • At least we won’t have to deal with manager drama and free agent drama… or will we?

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • This ain’t on Wake. The way the Sox are hitting that 3 runs might as well be 13.

    MJL in L.A. (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • Typical Wake: unhittable, then within minutes the Sox’ chances of winning are destroyed.
    Why on earth did ANYONE think he’d pitch differently tonight? Where was the recent performance that made anyone think that was a plausible expectation? What a travesty.

    SF October 16, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • Thanks Atheose, thank you

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Yeah, no way Beckett gives more than this shit.
    Fucking morons.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • This ain’t on Wake.
    It sure as hell is. AND it’s on the bats. A starter has to make it more than 4.2, no matter what the bats do. He failed. And predictably.

    SF October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    YF October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Whoever said Wake was better than Schill for only giving up three? Go fuck yourselves.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Okay. I think the city of Boston just died a little inside.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • you have atheose to blame for that one.

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Using an effective reliever in the middle innings? What a novel idea!
    Alright Andrew, I think you need to GTFO. :P

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • I guess it’s partly my fault for calling it. Goddamnit.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • No more blogging from me gentlemen and ladies, there’s nothing more to say now

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • I’m not watching a single game of the Indians-Rockies World Series.

    Pocono Sox October 16, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • Yeah, fucking start the guy that hasn’t pitched in three weeks in a must-win game.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Okay Atheose… now they’re equivalent. Hooray. Let’s just band together and blame Andrew.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Sorry Sox fans. I’m certainly not rooting for Boston, but I know well how much this hurts. I’m out unless things start to get close again.
    Cleveland might just be the best team in the AL, which would suck for all of us here. But even if you lose tonight, Beckett and Schilling provide some legitimate hope I’m sure. And if that happens, I wouldn’t bet vs. Boston in game 7 at Fenway no matter who is pitching.
    Later…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • SF, methinks you’re real gripe is with Francona, not Wakefield.

    MJL in L.A. (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Fine, one last thing… thanks for the trolling from the YFs, at least we have at least one more game left in our season… how’s the replacement shopping going for Dynasty Joe?

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Oh my god, Jackie, you’re right. Thank god none of you Bostonites know where I live, or what I look like.
    I’m even debating bringing in my Yankee lunchbag into work tomorrow.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Wow – I get up to leave and ….man
    Well you got Beckett next game – so assume you at least get this back to Boston.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • Still a lot of time left in this game SFs. They do give up easily. And boy do they like to blame their own. And not just like Yank fans sniping at Farnsy. Yikes.
    Meanwhile….more Lofton…..

    YF October 16, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • Ed – I know it hurts – but don’t need to cut us either (not rooting for you guys, but certainly trying to keep it on the up and up)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Thats right Ed, the yankees threads were totally SF free duing our losses. I dont think any of us are trolling here, take your frustrations out on someone else.

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Pete: Amazing! You were gone for 4 hitless innings and then you appear. How noble.
    Don’t worry – Beckett is due to start the next three games and to come in in relief. And to close. And he might DH.
    You I don’t feel sorry for, since I am not at all convinced that you are more annoyed at the Sox’ performance than you are happy that your cynicism turned out to be prescient for once.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Hey guys, maybe Francona should be blamed rather than Wakefield for this inning?

    Jordan Meisner October 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • This is unwatchable. I’m even getting pity-depression.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • wait wait wait, we need a headline.. “TRIBE FEEDS BREAKFIELD A KNUCKLE SANDWICH” or “MDC GETS THE BOSUX TKO’D” ?

    bogeYF October 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Just got home from taking my daughter out to dinner for her birthday. Turn on the tv, and see it’s 3-0 in the 4th. Delacarmen throws the first pitch I see and it’s 6-0. Now 7-0. Manny Del-fucking-Gagne. Screw this.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Ed, what’s your problem? You came into this site late in the year teaming up first with the biggest jerk to appear here and now are calling regulars here trolls when we’ve all been pretty civil. Give it a rest.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Well on the positive side Crisp tried as hard as possible to get that ball – nothing else he could’ve done (least he didn’t loaf it out there)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • I’m starting to like the Indians.

    greggy October 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Hahaha, Pete shows up now. What a loser.
    This game has fallen apart. They’re getting shitty little bloop hits now.
    And Ed, chill out. The Yankee fans haven’t been too bad–in fact many have been rooting against Cleveland. Pete’s been the worst one.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • I step away for 10 minutes and what in the name of Tulowitzki happened out there??
    I’m going home. G’nite and g’grief.

    FenSheaParkway October 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Meanwhile the MFYF filling his fat ass with potato chips is still posting here.
    Where’s the one with the tissue box?
    I can’t believe I wasted an hour of my life arguing their nonsense with the both of them.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • As for you YFs trolling in delight, I don’t recall any unbanned Sox fans shouting YEAH!!!!! when the Yankees lost to this same team.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • I’m surprised Lester is warming up – with the game getting away don’t you want to burn out one arm and leave as many as possible for the next games?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • I understand the frustration, trust me, but some of the blame needs to be put on the offense here ladies and gentlemen. It could be 1-0 and you would still be losing. I don’t understand how these high octane offenses can struggle so mughtly against these mediocre pitchers.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • “I can’t believe I wasted an hour of my life”
    I waste of a waste is no waste at all can’t.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • I’ve never, ever, known a true YF to root FOR the Sox.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • John – True, so true. For some odd reason the Playoffs seem to be the time all these power hitters forget to swing? Is it the excess pressure? I’m not sure

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • I apologize for my snipe YFs, I just take pride in being respectful and anyone who was on during the Yankee elimination game can attest to how cordial I was… the bottomline is this is absolutely heinous to behold, and I have no outlet (I refuse to yell at my mother and father.) I’m going to hang around afterall, this meltdown deserves commentary

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • Oh, and YF:
    FUCK YOU. We didn’t troll your Game Four thread and revel in the defeat. I thought you were above that. I guess not.
    Next time there’s a flame war here you are going to have a hard time trying to act like you are above the fray.

    SF October 16, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • As for you YFs trolling in delight, I don’t recall any unbanned Sox fans shouting YEAH!!!!! when the Yankees lost to this same team.
    Not only that, but that came from my co-author. Way to set the example, YF.
    What a dick move.

    SF October 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Pete – define FOR (I’m sure you construct a situation where you want them to win so you can get in as a WC or something)
    Though I think all YF can share in the utter hatred of Paul Byrd (that I’m sure you all feel now)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • I’ve never ever rooted for the Yankees, but I never taunted YFs in their game threads (or anywhere else), especially during the playoffs.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Tom: There were plenty of SFs cheering the Tribe scores during the ALDS–this is a dual site; it’s perfectly fair and legit to have fans of both sides commenting, just not gratuitously.

    YF October 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • That’s unfair, I never teamed up with that loon, I admired his optimism, that was it… anyone here can attest to that, and the reason I showed up so late is I found out about this blog in september, excuse me for finding the blog here intriguing

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • To try and get back on a non-flame war tact – how long do you leave lester in 2 innings? Or do you just pick out a ton of pitchers since you have a day off anyway?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • >>I think all YF can share in the utter hatred of Paul Byrd
    Watch Byrd get shelled by the Colorado freaking Rockies.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Hey douchebag, a 1-0 game is very winnable.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Ed: no problem from my end. The only reason I didn’t live out my game 4 frustration here was I was living it out at the stadium.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • Hey Pete, go fuck yourself. You’re an antagonistic troll who disappears while the Sox are doin well and then show up when they collapse. We know who you really root for, fucker.
    Anyways, who knows. Maybe the Injuns throw out their crappy bullpen and we get some momentum?

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • Rob – I really don’t think anyone cares about how long Lester is put into the game. Putting Lester in for an extended amount of time is akin to putting Villone in for an extended amount of time – no one wants to talk about it.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • other than that ass, we were all very respectful, can someone please find my comments, post them in there entirety and prove me a liar

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • “Byrd getting run support…”
    Fuck you, Joe Buck. No seriously, fuck you.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • Come on Youk, start us off. This offense can score a lot of runs in bunches, let’s do it here with our 2-3-4 guys up.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Posted by: YF | Tuesday, October 16, 2007 at 10:04 PM

    Funny, the biggest douchebag comment of the night comes from, of all people, YF.
    Guess we all have our moments.

    SF October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • You know shit, Atheose. I have yet to learn anything from your blather. When did you start cheering for the Sox, 2003? I hope you didn’t get your pink hat too dirty from your pig sweat tonight.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • LEAD-OFF HOMER FROM YOUK! YEAH!
    That’s how the 5th started for Cleveland.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • why can’t we just put in Gagne? Let him pitch till his fat arm falls off, then we can replace him with someone for the remaining games in this series.
    And that was just bittersweet… solo homerun… well we ain’t dead yet

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • YEAH!!!!!

    greggy October 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • Youk solo shot.
    Like I should get excited.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Tom Sf: Of course I thought Byrd was going to get rocked by you guys and make all us YF scream at the heavens…but maybe he’ll save his sucky game for the ROckies

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Waves tiny little flag for Youk.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Trisk et al: I am not at all sure that the Yanks last week and the Sox this week are simply underperforming offenses. The Indians have two excellent starters and a very strong bullpen (except closer) and their # 3 and 4 starters, as mediocre as they are, may simply be better than ours and the Sox’s. This is not meant as a dig on anyone. It just might be the case that Cleveland, at least this October, is better.
    Having said that, Boston’s got their top 3 ready, and if they can win with their Cy Young ace tomorrow, they get back to Fenway.
    And Youkilis makes sure everyone remembere this one is not over…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Awww, did I make you cry Pete? You’re fooling no one. Why do you even come around here? No one here wants you here.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Hey SF that’s 3x now you’ve ripped YF for one comment. We get the idea, you think it was unsportsmanlike.

    greggy October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Yeah…time to take out Byrd.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • There’s the real Paul Byrd.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • LOL. This team is just made of irony.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • AHAHA… YOU ARE A CRUEL CRUEL GOD…

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Back to back.
    Still not allowing self to get excited.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • ORTIZ HOMER! Back-to-back!
    About time.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Byrd pulled, and he looks pissed about it.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • Wow, funny enough, douchebag, the Sox are winning a 1-0 game right now.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • Ortiz with a meaningless tack-on home run.
    Oh wait sorry, I thought it was A-Rod and I was the press….
    Big HR for Ortiz keeps this a game.

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Futon salesman in to pitch for the Indians.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Pedroia+Coco+Nancy+Lugo+Mirabelli+Varitek= Postseason Garbage. It’s not all Wakefield’s fault.

    Pocono Sox October 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Atheose – Should be! Mr Crafty McCrafty Double-clutch should’ve been unhittable (as we’ve been told); plus he’s put life into a team that should’ve been dead and already starting to think about the next game

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • even if we lose this… has our monster been rawoken? If we play with the intensity of those last two at bats we can sweep these fuckers in the next three games… bring the hatred, the indignity, the embarassment out of us Indian fans, Yankee fans… our backs are to the wall, this can be our finest hour, even if we lose tonight, this can be our finest hour

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Just watch the Sox make this close but lose by one run.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • But that’s what makes it so frustrating IH, they are better in October. If this was June, the Sox or Yanks would be pounding Paul Byrd like the career average pitcher that he is. Same could be said about Kenny Rogers last season, he pitched like a man possessed. I agree that pitchers like Beckett, Webb, Santana, should shut down offenses regardless of the month, but to be shut down last week by Paul Byrd frustrates me to no end.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • duh, this game’s not over…brilliant observation gang…hey, anyone noticed i’ve been keeping my mouth shut…can’t say i’m disappointed that the sox are struggling, but the emotions are mixed [too many folks i care about are rabid sox fans]…no need to be shitty about it though…i hate getting it rubbed in to me when the yanks lose, so i understand the sox fans have feelings too…lighten up guys…

    dc October 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Ed, do you really want me to go back and cut and paste the multiple “Who’s the clownboy now” comments, when that tag was used to target one jerk while not attacking any other SFs here? It is over now so we can and should let it die, but you were defending him and at times calling for him to come back when that was the last thing anyone, including SFs, wanted here.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • That was my Winston Churchill impression

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Anyone ever see Pete sticking around when the Sox are winning, or doing well? No? Me neither.
    I just checked the ALCS Game 1 gamer. You ditched the game, after posting about how Beckett doesn’t deserve the Cy Young. What’s wrong? Hate seeing the Sox win?

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Ed – I have a sudden urge to vote for you for president.

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • “You’re a real man Deion.” Anyone remember?

    Pocono Sox October 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • I understand IH, but the context was, I did find it humorous that for all of his annoying disrespectful trash, I respected his optimism and confidence, it was a breath of fresh air for a cynic like myself, even a piece of crap like that can be admired for certain characteristics, and if my comments were interpreted as such I apologize as that was not my intention

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • Man, they do love those back to back to backs.
    Manny is still a douchebag for admiring the shot.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Bets on him getting plunked next time up? Takers?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • YES! MANNY!
    For once I’m happy to see Manny stand and admire.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • EVEN EVEN EVEN IF WE LOSE, THIS IS AWESOME… I love it

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • How many times, do I fucking have to tell you, retard, that I come around to vent. And meanwhile, game threads aren’t usually my thing. You know, I like to WATCH the games and that includes every pitch, not type on my computer which I do all day.
    Hey, but go fuck yourself!
    No doubt the Sox are this game if Beck starts. Hopefully it’s not too late.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • OK, a small inkling of hope is permitted now.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • chase wright anyone?

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • is Chase Wright out on the mound?

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • i do have to add this: why does manny treat every homerun like it’s a walk-off?…i don’t condone this, but he’s asking to get drilled

    dc October 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • Ramirez should have his head thrown at for that.

    greggy October 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • Ok ok, JD can start a new streak here

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • great minds…

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Gah, what an underachiever Mike Lowell is. ;^)

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • The funny thing, Pete, is that no one believes you! Your posts are comical to us because we see right through you.
    Lowell grounds out. Come on Drew, keep it going.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Red Sox very much in it. Manny stands at the plate, sticks his hands up, while his team is down by 4. All sympathy I had for the Sox and their fans just got flushed down the toilet. No player with the exception of Barry Bonds (and even him mostly on record-breaking HRs only) is such a complete and utter ASS when he hits one. There is no fist-pumping from Joba, no clap from Jeter, and no nothing from anyone else that compares to what an A-hole this guy is when he hits a HR. And whether you like it or not, it reflects on the whole team. I hope he gets drilled and I hope the Sox get embarassed the rewst of the way.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Manny watching his HRs like that is still an abomination for anyone other than yankee fans. That was not a walk off HR or anything. He spent about 10 secs watching it.

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Atheose – I hate douche-like moments like that; I know you’re partial but picture A-Rod or someone doing it.
    I always try to assess it by imagining if I was on the other team – you get paid millions to play this game, get over yourself

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • anon was me

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Well, they throw at Manny it’s a man on base for us…

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • Yeah, no Yankees ever admire their home runs. And they never come out for curtain calls in meaningless situations.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • When does Manny catch a fastball in the shoulder after one of his home run displays?

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • Manny is still a douchebag for admiring the shot.
    I hate to say I agree with you.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • DC –
    You’re absolutely right. He should get drilled the next AB. And I love Manny, but a game they’re down four runs? Put your head down and run, young man.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • Seriously, could Ellsbury get, like, ONE postseason at bat?

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • Hudson – No other player in baseball watches his HRs like that.
    Sorry but curtain calls are a different story, the crowd is involved in those.

    Sam-YF October 16, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • here’s a good what if: Wake stays in the game… what’s the score right now? I have to believe some of that inning was due to Byrd getting off his guard etc…

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • Whatever, Atheose. I have to prove my fandom to no one. And I had a bowel movement today that had more baseball knowledge than you.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • Hudson: don’t even try. Name a Yankee who has done that. And no, a pause at the plate, which is bad enough doens’t count. Name a player on the Yankees who stands there and puts the hands in the air waiting for the ball to clear the stands before starting to jog. Be real. I hope Hafner hits a game winner off papelbon and stands there pointing at the Sox dugout. An inning after Manny breaks his finger on a fastball inside.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • The curtain call is more of a crowd thing…anyone remember when Beltran was pissed at the Met crowd and didnt want to come out? He had to be forced out of the dugout in order avoid a huge story in the papers and on talk radio the next day.

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • “I had a bowel movement today that had more baseball knowledge than you”
    Is anyone surprised that Pete learns from his s%&t?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Yeah Rob, I agree I hate it when Manny does it. But right now I’m happy we’re scoring.
    And I agree with Ironhorse–what Manny does it much worse than any Joba first-pumping. But right now I’ll ignore it because it puts us down only 4.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • “There is no fist-pumping from Joba”
    Any and all fist pumping from Joba is forever negated by the air-masturbating – there is no other way to describe it – by Papelbon, seen in every Dane Cook “the Boston Red Sox…the CLEVEland INDians!” commercial.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Why would they want Ells to get post-season ABs?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • i don’t think they throw at manny and give the sox a free base-runner…i mentioned that he’s risking that reaction, but i’m guessing the indians aren’t stupid enough to screw the bit of momentum they have…manny’s just proving once again how self-centered he really is…sorry sox fans and manny-apologists, that’s how i feel

    dc October 16, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • Oh yeah, well my bowel movement resembled the hefty guy from 21 Jump Street, so there!
    Guys, let’s give it a rest. It’s the Internet, it’s a game, there are better things to do than be mean to each other.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • I’ve seen plenty of gratuitous actions by Yankees (not to mention the classless trolling on this thread). Should we start with all the bush league things A-Rod has done?
    Yankee fans are just trolling this thread because you’re in misery — no ALCS, Torre’s head on the block — and getting off on the schadenfreude of the Sox giving up 7 runs in an inning.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Is anyone surprised that Pete learns from his s%&t?
    Not me, IH. Not me. Though your comment put a smile on my face.
    Lester walks Sizemore on a pitch that looked right down the middle.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Hudson, please chill out…

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Come on Pete, you don’t come here to vent, you come here to gloat when whatever doomsday scenario you’ve predicted comes to fruition. Forgive us for thinking you’re genuinely happy that Wake had a down inning and MDC shit the bed.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • Really, can all of you MFYF’s go watch a cheesy fucking football movie? Seriously, you’re doing nothing here but rubber necking.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • Wow, this strikezone is officially tiny for Lester.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • “Any and all fist pumping from Joba is forever negated by the air-masturbating – there is no other way to describe it”
    I’m using this as my own in conversations with Sox fans buddies!

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • I’d say that back-to-back-to-back home runs (after a miserable previous half-inning) to put your team back into a crucial playoff game is a pretty exceptional situation… And I’ll leave it at that.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • Atheose – totally understand (didn’t know I’d be adding to a wave of @#$(*@#$ you manny! comments); again it’s just sad someone with that much talent is so focused on self
    Course then again that much talent kind of explains why he’s like that…

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • you’ve got a point dc, I wanted to kill him last year for his August performance… “Manny being Manny” encompasses many different meanings depending on the day, minute, second

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • Haha, Cabrera stepped out right as Lester started throwing. No time-out granted.
    2-2 count now.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Please don’t generalize Hudson. I am here to talk baseball, regardless of what team is playing. Everyone needs to calm down and realize this is a game.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • That was a weird play – you’re so accustomed to someone getting time as late as they want (all the pitchers who are starting to throw and yet time is called)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • By the way, the MFYF’s know who they are and that has never included all YF’s.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Lester gets a K on an overaggressive Cabrera. 1 down.
    Let’s see a DP here.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • You’re right Hudson. Manny’s reaction to hitting a HR to bring his team within 4 runs was totally on the mark. All MLB players should learn from that and emulate his style. Im sure you will love it when it happens to your pitchers.
    I love how any comment from a YF here has become a troll…

    Sam-YF October 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Trisk is definitely one of the good ones, one of the reasons I feel welcome here, eventhough i’m a newcomer and lower on the hierarchy i guess

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Yeah, cheap plays by A-Rod are the same as being a self-admiring a-hole. If the Sox do lose, the best front page of a sports section tomorrow would be a picture of Manny pointing to the heavens under the headline, “Sox Lose, Manny Celebrates”.
    And yes Hudson, in my case I am here because the Yankees are not playing tonight. So what? I have not been mean to anyone except the guy who references his own feces.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • I really would like to know why Ellsbury hasn’t been used AT ALL (well, one PR appearance but that hardly counts). Could his bat possibly be worse than Coco’s?

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • Hudson, only a small few YF have been asses. Most of them in here have been courteous.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • Jackie, i’d put in Ellsbury immediately, you have NOTHING to lose and EVERYTHING to gain by doing so

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • Hafner K’s, and looks really silly doing so. 4 K’s for him tonight.
    The fact that the Indians are winning 7-0 and Hafner has 4 strikeouts surprises me.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • “Really, can all of you MFYF’s go watch a cheesy fucking football movie? ”
    Sorry Pete, I had a bowel movement today that told me to be here.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • “…I’ve seen plenty of gratuitous actions by Yankees (not to mention the classless trolling on this thread). …”
    sounds like hudson has learned something from pete’s scat too…

    dc October 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Lester and Youk fuck up a play, and the ball gets away. Sizemore to 2nd.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • >>I love how any comment from a YF here has become a troll…
    Not true, most of the comments have been fine. Manny deserves the derision, and the Joba/Papelbon comment was funny.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • McCarver: “Instead of Sizemore getting picked-off, Youkilis got picked-off”
    My ears are bleeding.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • I for one welcome the YFs being here, I said it when you were eliminated and I mean it now

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • I am so happy that I’m not watching this game on TV. McCarver is unbearable.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Did someone forget game 4 thread of the ALDS? Really?

    Lar October 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Agreed, Tom sf. Most YF’s are being civilized tonight, as is true most nights. That’s why I like this site–both sides are pretty objective.
    Martinez flies out to center field. Good job Lester.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Hey Youk, how about you get your head out of your ass?
    And Atheose, you really think you need to describe every play, like people aren’t watching? You really do have a low sense of purpose. When you’re done here, my toilet needs cleaning.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Way to keep us in the game Jon… lets gain a couple more runs back boys

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • It’s laughable to imply that admiring a timely home run is unacceptable, but slapping a ball out of a mitt in front of a national audience and thinking you’re going to get away with it or yelling “MINE!” to throw off an opposing infielder chasing a foul ball is just fine.
    I would also note that Manny has been getting booed relentlessly by Indians fans. All the more reason for him to savor it.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Ed, I only arrived on this scene a month or two before you so I didn’t mean the crack about being a recent arrival as if there is a pecking order. Was only unhappy to see now-banned bonehead getting any support from anyone, but I get the optimism thing – especially from Sox fans who I think are often surrounded by pretty cynical doomsday-awaiting fellow-fans.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Pete take a chill pill, the personal attacks need to end right now… keep it to baseball

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Lar, I was on that thread and I don’t think the SF’s were very bad. Though they haven’t on here, with the exception of YF’s one post that SF totally overreacted about.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • “…a picture of Manny pointing to the heavens under the headline, “Sox Lose, Manny Celebrates”….”
    f-ing hilarious IH…funniest line of the alcs…

    dc October 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Hudson, well if getting booed gives you a green light, A-Rod has a life-time pass at every ballpark (including Yankee Stadium!).

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • I appreciate that IH… one of the worst things about being a sox fan (yes there are bad things!) is the tremendous amount of cynicism, but that comes with the emotional commitment and passion which is what draws me ever closer into it

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Your toilet needs cleaning? You’re done talking to the bowel movements in there? I’m surprised–you’re usually in there 30-40 minutes before exhausting all conversation!

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Guy and his son on tv waving while his kid buys a T-shirt; how much do you think the t-shirt was…$80? $250?

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • “…It’s laughable…”…blah, blah, blah
    did pete’s poop tell you that hudson?

    dc October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Notice how certain YFs here were absent in Game 1? Those who have been consistently posting and taking a genuine interest, I have no problem with. Those who only show up when the other side is down (and only to launch irrelevant attacks) I do consider trolls.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Ah, yes, Ed. I was told to go fuck myself, but I’m in the wrong. Since you love finding quotes, find the one where I crossed that line first.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • “my toilet needs cleaning”
    Why can’t Josh Beckett do it? It’s a MUST CLEAN! Get him in there!!

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • “A good piece of hitting by Varitek”
    I honestly did not think I would hear that phrase ever again. Yesterday’s two run jack notwithstanding.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Sox waking up – bad move by the Indians (is their bullpen finally breaking down?)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • So Hudson, your point is that no Yankee fan can comment on Manny’s stand/watch/stretch arms/walk routine because ARod slapped the ball out of Arroyo’s mitt?

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Hudson, the difference is that the Slappy McBluelips play was the single funniest thing I’ve ever seen in a baseball game. Of course, that’s because he didn’t get away with it. Does anyone remember the Dirtdogs photoshop of the photo of that play with ARod in heels and a pillbox hat?

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • (DC, bitter much? What’s Jeter doing right now? Oh, right… He’s having his trashy love life written up on Page 6.)

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Hudson, whenever Manny does that it’s classless. I’ll gladly watch him do it in Yankee Stadium, but any other time it’s just being a dick.
    Varitek proves useless by not attempting to disrupt the DP with a slide.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Could they show Theo’s face as his prized Julio Lugo grounds into a double play… why did the front office love this guy so much?!?

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:57 pm
  • Hudson, the difference is that the Slappy McBluelips play was the single funniest thing I’ve ever seen in a baseball game. Of course, that’s because he didn’t get away with it. Does anyone remember the Dirtdogs photoshop of the photo of that play with ARod in heels and a pillbox hat?

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:57 pm
  • Man, we just cannot catch a break. That catch was ridiculous.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Sorry for the double post. My connection went screwy there for a minute.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Yeah, the purse photoshop is classic.
    And I also get a big laugh out of all the straw man arguments brought by YFs. No one said no YFs can ever criticize Manny (or any Sox player). Rather, it’s the selective appearances, the lack of substantive commentary, and the childish gloating that turns some into trols.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • And the momentum is officially killed… aye carumba

    Ed October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • ::clapping for Ads…screw it I can’t spell it::
    Damm fine play.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • “Notice how certain YFs here were absent in Game 1?”
    I didn’t realize there were attendance records. And I for one was here when this game started…you know, before the Sox started losing? What is the big deal? Who has been trolling other than one (one-word) comment from YF and a couple people who floated in whose names I’ve never seen here before?
    In short, what is the problem?? If it’s the anti-Manny thing from me I am sorry, but I hate that he does that and I don’t think any other player comes close – Yankee, Red Sox, or anyone. If any player had the occassion to what he does it is your own manimal David Ortiz and he doesn’t. That’s why YFs respect the hell out of that guy though he regularly kills us.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Seriously, do the MFYF’s have nothing better to do? I would have thought the stories about the Tampa meeting would have kept you busy for at least 20 minutes in between killing puppies.
    And meanwhile, Jeter is passing herpes to hookers in Miami.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Hudson. FYI, Jeter isnt playing now because his team was beat by the SAME TEAM that is about to put yours in a 3-1 hole. Which is incidently the same score by which the yanks lost that series.

    Sam-YF October 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • How many times has Lugo GIDP’d in this series?

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • Wow, Cabrera comes up with a great grab. Couldn’t come at a worse time for the Sox.
    Oh and Pete, you’re sounding a bit too much like Woost. Better adjust some.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • Hudson – I would argue that as a substantive point it is hard to chart selective appearances (new to this site so maybe I’m wrong) I tend to see people come “in” and “out” as just a part of life (you get busy even if there is playoffs)

    Rob October 16, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • In a few months Hudson will be calling A-Rod scrappy for those two plays…after he signs a 10 year $320 million deal with the Sox

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • Where’s the description, Atheose? My TV went out and I only got the audio!?

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • IronHorse, no one criticized you, yet you’re acting like you were accused of sodomizing goats. Chill, dude.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • Manny is arguably as hated by Sox fans as he is by Yank fans… the difference is he’s one of us, the proverbial black sheep cousin that everyone wants to kick out of thanksgiving dinner but somehow tells a great joke or story before he’s thrown out

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • Mindblowing Conversations over at ESPN gamecast…
    Rich (New York): Do you think the Indians would dare to retaliate against Ramirez for showboating in a playoff game?
    ROB NEYER: Not unless they have a bigger lead than they have now. Plus, this isn’t the time to get a pitcher suspended. Manny’s probably safe until next April, at least.
    Ben (Akron): What a catch, what do you think of this young phenom, Asdrubal Cabrera? He is the first player ever named Asdrubal in the MLB.
    ROB NEYER: I think he should be a shortstop.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • I love Manny.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 11:01 pm
  • INdians needed that inning to keep the game from getting away from them – but so far Lester is doing a great job to (now) keep the Sox in the game.

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Ath:
    It was three posts from YF, the last one the most snide. He’s a moderator, he’s supposed to set an example. Just look at this thread. Were they helpful, his comments?

    SF October 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • SamYF: At least we got out of the first round. And the ALCS is not over yet.
    Rob: Those who have been posting here all year have a pretty good sense of who comes to talk baseball (and engage in a healthy rivalry) and who only turns up on others’ game threads when they want to razz the other side.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • hudson’s troll accusation may probably be aimed at me for one, dknyc…i’ve been absent this past week, and with good reason, without sharing the personal details…so whatever, i’m a troll..i don’t think i’ve said anything controversial or insulting, other than i thought manny’s celebration was, well, untimely…

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • well he just got jinxed from getting a homer – just showed him getting that
    It’s like in football when my kicker is lining up and they’re like “he never misses!”
    I start to curse…

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • I don’t think there is any real problem. IHYF is accurate in his description of what happened. This site is special because we CAN all post on these threads without ad hominem attacks and pointless anonymous trolling.
    Manny was a douche for posing on that hr to close within 4 freaking runs. But he’s our douchebag.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • YFs criticizing Manny is just ‘YFs being YFs’
    That makes it OK right?

    Sam-YF October 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • Hudson…oh…OK…..sorry. Yes I did think you were on my case.
    And for the record, that thing about sodomizing goats….there was never any proof.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • Hudson – I have started to sense there more long-standing things going on here; just trying to keep everything cool if possible
    Heck I’m multi-tasking; commenting on this, watching the game, and reading a book on the Enlightenment – I ain’t the best judge

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Looks like it’s going to take Youks/Papi/Manny going back-to-back-to-back again if the Sox are going to have a shot tonight.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • A moderator should be above that, but we’re all human, i’m the first to say that.
    I almost hope they peg Manny, maybe that’ll be the wake up call we need and the mojo will shift against the indians

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Told you he wouldn’t get a homer (fox jinxing him…he should sue)

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • and to think, this thread started out with cute puppies. The human heart is a vile thing.

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • IronHorse: I always suspected you were Mickey Kaus…

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • “…DC, bitter much? What’s Jeter doing right now?…”
    no, not bitter at all hudson…i’m having as much fun as you did last year watching the “other” team f-up in the playoffs…mostly i could care less, but guys like you keep me interested…i apologize to the real, friendly, knowledgable sox fans, but now i hope they lose so you’ll be p-o’d…

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • Hey Kenny Lofton, stop bitching. You’re up 7-3.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • I cant stand Lofton…or is it Willie Mays Hayes?

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • >>and to think, this thread started out with cute puppies. The human heart is a vile thing.
    Nick wins Post Of The Day!

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • I hesitate to note that Lester is mowing ’em down; everything seems like a potential jinx now…

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Lester with another great inning. Time for the big bats to do a double-take and add some more on the board.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Thanks for that, Nick.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • Ok one of you already said they needed 3 back-to-back-to-back homers…so none of us can jinx that (already has been)
    Such an odd concept the jinx – I’d love to know its creation/evolution

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • (Rooting for the other guys to lose is totally acceptable in my book; it’s a rivalry site, after all… But self-righteously making tired complaints about something like admiring home runs, when your own team does plenty of obnoxious things of their own, deserves to be called out, IMHO.)

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • I’m starting to miss Frank TV doing his Bush impression…much better than Dane Cook or ‘This is our country’

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Man, I wish Lester had been brought in to relieve Wake instead of MDC. Not criticizing the move… maybe the more accurate statement would be that I wish MDC hadn’t given up a 3 run HR and then another three runs.
    Sorry if this comment is lacking thrilling insight, I’m just mopey.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Betancourt in against the heart of the lineup… Crucial moment for the series and the season…

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Hey! Something we can (mostly) agree on: Kenny Lofton is annoying!
    And to Trisk: I know what you say about being annoyed at Byrd, but for some reason I don’t mind him at all – probably because he strikes me as an old veteran, trying whatever he can to hang on to the game and doesn’t do any overly-annoying things during games. Kenny Lofton gets under my skin much much more (a function, in part, of being gnat-like at the plate and on base, which always annoys me in an opponent).
    This inning is huge with Youk/Ortiz/Manny – if they get to 2, Borowski will always inspire opponents’ hopes.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • We need some friggin baserunners for Ortiz and Manny. I’m sick of this “nothing but solo-homers” bullshit.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • (Rooting for the other guys to lose is totally acceptable in my book; it’s a rivalry site, after all… But self-righteously making tired complaints about something like admiring home runs, when your own team does plenty of obnoxious things of their own, deserves to be called out, IMHO.)
    Hudson, does that mean that due to Manny’s antics we will never hear Sox fans complain again about curtain calls or Joba fist pumping?
    Didnt think so…

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Me, I would have preferred seeing Beck start the game.
    Sorry if this comment is lacking thrilling insight, I’m just mopey.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • PLEASE READ THIS POST:
    Is anyone else bothered how the press keeps on going on and on about the Indians payroll and homegrown talent… any research will show two very telling things:
    1) Many of their players have been signed from other teams (Hafner) or acquired via trade (Sizemore)
    2) Many of their players are undrafted players from Latin America, and sadly this historically has translated into screwing very talented Latin American ballplayers out of making decent salaries for significant time… for a case in point, look into the story of Carlos Guillen.. what a coincidence, from Venezuela

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • I’m madder at MDC than at Wakefield, but I’m somewhat biased towards Wakes.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • I doubt Bentancourt will throw at Manny – he’s what they need on the mound to get to their… ::giggle:: “closer”

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • I heard that Frank Caliendo has a show or something.
    What’s becoming more tiresome: those ads or that joke?

    Nick-YF October 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Youk crushes a ball, but about 15 feet short. Come on Ortiz, just get on base please.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • Betancourt has been actually amazing this year and has carried it into October. Interesting to see what he does here…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • dknyc: I’m pretty sure I’ve never posted anything about Joba fist-pumping. Ever. Just so you know.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • one tired meme that can be retired:
    SFs enjoy watching the Yankees lose but YFs couldn’t care less about the Sox losing.

    SF October 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • “But self-righteously making tired complaints about something like admiring home runs, when your own team does plenty of obnoxious things of their own, deserves to be called out, IMHO.”
    Following this logic, no fan of any team can ever say anything bad about any player of any other team.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • you’re right sf…i care now

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • SF – And vice versa meme as well…

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • Didnt say you did…I’m glad you agree that your fellow Sox fans should never bring it up either.

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • Ed: there are many ways in which I think Sox fans are experiencing things that Yanks fans have for years and in the worst cases acting out the same kind of arrogance that they hated from Yanks fans all those years. One thing Sox fans will have to get used to is the David and Goliath thing thrown in their faces every October. Yes the Yanks spend muchmore than Boston, but Boston spends much more than pretty much everyone else.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • Seriously. I look forward to trolling on Yankee game threads from now on. Too bad that has to wait until next year…

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Well, this season was fun while it lasted.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Best thing they could’ve done against manny to get “revenge” – keep him from helping his team
    I keep wondering when his stuff will falter since he’s been so good (and his stuff is being seen a lot by the Sox) but keeps going..

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Youks: Nope.
    Papi: Nope.
    Manny: Nope.
    If I were Wedge, I’d bring back Betancourt. Blow-ski is Boston’s only hope now.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Jackie – no need to give up hope – still got Beckett going tomorrow

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • Were the callers to talk radio in Boston today more in favor of Beckett in this game?

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Once again with the straw men. I didn’t say no one should ever make fun of the other side’s players. I’m just noting that Joba’s fist-pumps haven’t risen to that level for me. Jeter’s ridiculous cologne, or Giambi’s history of cheating with HGH? Totally taunt-worthy, in the right situation.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Pete, mopey is not the word I would use to describe you.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Yes IH, a small voice inside of me really hates that the Yanks and Sox have come to this but I rationalize it in that they have the biggest fanbases and it’s only just that the owners pump money back into the team… but there’s something to the prospect of having a 60 mil and 50 mil team in the world series at this point, it sort of silences the whole “you bought a world series” attack

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • IH: Boston has had the second-highest payroll in baseball for a while now. But what I find funniest is that Lucchino actually believes his own bullshit that the Red Sox *have* to spend that much, because the Big Bad Yankees also spend a lot! Otherwise, the Sox FO wouldn’t have to try to win as hard. Or something. I think the David and Goliath thing was put to bed long ago, even before the 2004 WS.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Betancourt shows he’s human, but Manny and Youk don’t get enough of the ball. 1-2-3 Inning.
    It’s now up to Lowell (0-3), Drew (1-3), and Coco (3-0).
    Ellsbury better be pinching in the 9th. Lester still out, thankfully.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • I totally enjoy when the Yankees lose. Never represented anything different.

    SF October 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • dknyc – sort of a moot point, as people discussed it on the forum the “secret” issue (at least not discussed until shortly before gametime) was that Beckett had a bit of a sore arm – ipso facto he rests

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • I don’t know about callers but here it was all SF’s and all but two YF’s in favor of Beck getting the start today.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • 3-1 feels like a death sentence… But the Sox do have Beckett on tap, followed by Schilling. A Game 7 is not out of the realm of possibility. *Winning* a Game 7… that’s another matter.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • “Jeter’s ridiculous cologne, or Giambi’s history of cheating with HGH? Totally taunt-worthy, in the right situation.”
    Alright, but why bother bitching about YFs rightfully complaining about the most obnoxious – bar none – homerun admirer in baseball? It just sounds like you’re picking a fight where there isn’t one to be found.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • “…I look forward to trolling on Yankee game threads from now on….”
    sounds like fun pete
    gang, what’s the over/under on how many of these threads pete participates in before he’s banned for life?…

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • I appreciate the positivity, anon, but I think Beckett/Sabathia v2 is a toss up, and I’m looking forward to Schilling/Carmona even less.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Lester is looking extremely sharp. Gutierrez K’s and looks silly doing it.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Oddly enough, in CT, ESPN, callers were pro Beckett, most pundits and analysts agreed with the Wakefield move

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Pete, for the record: I was tepidly supportive of Wakes throwing tonight.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Sadly for the Sox Game 7 would be left in the hands of the “$103 million dollar question mark”
    But he’s gotta get out of his funk soon (and lots of SF were saying on that thread that he wasn’t pitching badly either)

    Anonymous October 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • DC – At tonight’s rate, 5.

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • DC, I’ll put the over/under at 4. And I’ll take the under.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • Lester with his 4th K. Totally different pitcher than the other night.
    (What’s with the friggin 7-run innings?)

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • The reason I thought he should get the start was that by game 7 he’d be back on regular rest…he has to have some kind of minor injury. When Wake was lights out through 4 it looked like the right decision

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • It aint over until Doug Mirabelli’s singing… have to go a game at a time from here on out, maybe things will roll our way

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Rosenthal reported Beck had back stiffness in his prior start. And when asked directly the question a out starting today, he wouldn’t answer.
    Who knows. But there have been starters who have taken the mound not feeling 100% and still doing quite well. Beck on short rest would have kept the game much closer. And he would have pitched a Game 7. It was a no-brainer.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Jesus Shoppach. That’s totally not fair.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • sorry those annon were me for a bit (didn’t realize it)
    dc – Wake was lights out but then fulfilled SF belief that he could screw the whole game up with just one pitch

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • “…Giambi’s history of cheating …”
    enjoy that edge while you can hudson…from what i’ve heard, all the dirty linen from the mlb investigation will be on display by the end of the year…what’s the odds any team will emerge unscathed?…

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • Pete: Nice try on re-writing history but only you and your poop were overboard for Beckett. Some were strongly for Wakefield. Others said it was a close call. The report re: Beckett’s arm swayed all who heard about it (but you and your poop) to Wakefield. You countered that the news report must have been bogus – based on what I don’t know since Kurkjian is a credible source. Perhaps it was your poop again.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • dknyc… there seems to be legitimate talk that Beckett was taken out of the game for physical precautions, John Kruk put it best in that if Beckett aggressively sought out the start he would’ve pitched tonight, but I think something happened in that start to make Francona’s decision a lot easier

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • I sometimes wonder how those who so intensely abhor Manny’s occasional self-admiration manage to watch other sports. Every friggin’ play in a football game (for example) features some guy celebrating like he just won an Olympic gold… I don’t want baseball to become like other American sports, but there is so little demonstrativeness in baseball, I can tolerate a bit here and there.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • Lester’s been pretty fantastic for a mop up guy. Or maybe the Indians have decided to take it easy.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Time for the 9th. The fact that I’m hoping to see Varitek bat this inning shows how desperate we are.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Hudson thats exactly why i hate the NBA and to a lesser extent the NFL. These guys are just doing their jobs (for a lot of money at that)

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Lester with his third scoreless inning of relief.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Hudson, are you honestly arguing that if Manny played for any other team you would have this attitude about it?

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • Yeah, the tackle celebrations really piss me off to no end: you made a tackle… great, that’s your freaking job!!!!

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • Bullshit. Read the post’s in this thread and last. Every single SF, except Hudson, questioned why Beck wasn’t starting. And Paul did a great job of pointing out how absurd your but buddy’s reasoning was.
    Go eat some more potato chips, lardass.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • Drew, Crisp, Lugo have a combined 0 rbi so far this series. That’s what, $30 million?

    Tom sf October 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • You always hate when injuries pop up in the playoffs…you want your best on the field to battle the best on the other side

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • If ever there was a moment to pinch-hit Ellsbury, it’s coming up this inning.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • Hudson, baseball and football are two different sports. It’s okay to do it in football, not baseball.
    99% of people will agree that Manny is a dick when he throws out his “superman-hands” after a homerun. You’re the only dissenter.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • Man, a 7 run inning… I’m just in shock over that… please please bring in Borowski, he’s due for a blow up

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • Hudson – Actually, I don’t watch many other sports. And I love Manny, I really do. My World Series authentic jersey has his number on it. My son named his fish and one of his chickens Manny. But when my little leaguers watch their hits, I always tell them that I never want to see them act like Manny.

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • And Tim K called it his arm. Rosenthal called it his back. Sounds like a credible report to me!

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • These guys are just doing their jobs (for a lot of money at that)
    I don’t know about you, but every time I get a decent result at work (a nice image from the microscope or what have you) I sit there and admire it for a good 20 seconds with my arms in the air. My coworkers give me funny looks, but sometimes I just overwhelm myself with the clutchness of my work.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • Lowell pops up to the catcher on the first fucking pitch.
    Poor Ellsbury will have to pinch-hit in a tight situation.
    WHAT THE FUCK Seinfeld just kicked in! Fuck you, Fox.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • hudson, all kidding aside, can you really defend manny’s walk-off treatment of every homerun regardless of the inning or the score?…seriously, it doesn’t bother you even a little bit?…i mean, i understand the excitement of the moment, but you don’t see many other players doing that…really

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • or one was right, the other not…

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • Hudson, just come in line with everyone else on this (YF’s and SF’s) so that we can put this topic to bed.

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • IronHorse: Yeah, I would argue that. Manny is a character. I enjoy that character. And I think I’d find him a pleasure (and amusing) to watch if he was on any other team… except the Yankees.
    Lowell pops out.
    Drew up. Sox seem likely to go quietly. Prove me wrong…

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Schilling and Beckett look awfully chipper in the dugout.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • WOW, Buck just suggested putting Jacoby in!

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Jackie, a fellow scienist huh?
    I just spiked one of my 50 mL conicals today after an awesome spin in the centrifuge.

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • Atheose – are you kidding? And you live in Boston, right? The game is still on out here in CA.

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • Jackie – just a beautiful post…beats Nick’s in my mind

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • “Go eat some more potato chips, lardass”
    I want to but have gotten too fat to reach the mini-fridge. Do you know anyone who could do it for me? Wait – let’s have Josh Beckett do it!
    Oh, and sorry to poke a hole in your moron-bubble, but:
    “I didn’t hear any “sore arm” reports. But if they are accurate, then no argument here on the starting nod for Wake. None.
    I was critiquing the situation without that knowledge, and I think if Beckett IS healthy it’s a defensible position to want him to start tonight. If he’s hurt, then it’s not nearly as defensible.
    Posted by: SF”

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • Jacoby was such a spark plug for us, what do we really lose with having him in? No defensive downgrade, and coco is just putrid at the plate

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • Buck is acting like this is Game 7. “Indians can smell a ticket to play the Rockies”

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • (I would also note that at least one of the home runs Manny has hit in the off-season this year was so astonishingly, stupendously crushed that his super-hero hands were entirely justified. Everyone who saw it was in awe, including himself, and I’m fine with that.)

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • RBF, I live in Norfolk. Seinfeld just kicked it for 15 long seconds before going back.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • Atheose – Because Buck is just as stupid as McCarver – he’s just young so senility hasn’t been added in as well

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • “Sounds like a credible report to me!”
    You’r the one who cited it first! Or was it your poop? It is so hard to distinguish…

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Hudson, that being a walk off against the Angels, yeah, tremendously justified

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • NICE.
    I also scream “FUCK!!!!” whenever I fail to amplify a PCR product.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • crap

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • that last out says it all

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • YEAH!!!!!

    greggy October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Drew: Out.
    Crisp: Out.
    No Jacoby for either.
    WTF, Tito? It’s almost like he is hell-bent on rewarding failure in the post-season.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • My God, SF was right…Shapiro’s wife has a penis!!

    dknyc October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • jackie, do you spike the microscope and do a little “end zone” dance?

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Paul freaking Byrd
    WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
    Gah I don’t get it at all

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Right, and where Rosenthal said it was his back that had locked up? So which was it? Sounds like very credible reporting. Go stuff your face some more fatboy.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Awesome Jackie! Go science! Are you a PhD student like myself?

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Manny loves homeruns so much, he even admires them in the off-season, on video! He still does the superhero hands, even while watching.
    That’s not a very nice way to lose a game. That was smoked by Coco. I can’t really say I’m sorry to see the Sox suffer a little this season, but I know I would feel thoroughly depressed if this were the Yankees.
    Maybe this can be an equitable offseason on YFSF, with many puppies.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Y’know, if MDC had done his job, Boston’d be going to extra innings, instead of having their backs to the wall.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Jackie, I hate to admit this but I sometimes do that Manny-like arm-in-the air thing when I warn one of my kids over and over again that something is a bad idea and they do it anyway, resulting in them falling flat of their faces. And I say, “OK, who gets to be right?”

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • God I hate reporters
    “Cleveland rocking tonight…”
    You’re NOT COOL!!!!!!

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • “…I would feel thoroughly depressed if this were the Yankees…”
    uh, that has been us the past 7 seasons andrew

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • Well, I’m disgusted, but not completely despondent yet.
    We don’t have to mention that the Sox have come back from bigger deficits before, since that has been mentioned pretty much any time that any team has been in a big hole every since 2004.

    Hudson October 16, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • Rob – Aw thanks, you make me blush.
    SamYF – I am… and I vaguely feel like we talked about this before? You’re at Cornell, right?
    dc – no freakin way, microscopes are expensive! Our good one is $500K… so, approximately 1/16th of Julio Lugo’s salary (or 1/30th of JD Drew’s)… okay now I’m depressed.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:38 pm
  • Well maybe we will get the pitching duel we were promised game one on Thursday…

    Rob October 16, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • dc – that’s the first thing that’s made me smile since the 5th inning.

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • Anyone watching nesn? Remy looks like he’s going to erupt!

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • And you know, it’s really not over yet. Who really thinks Boston can’t win 3 games in a row. However, I’d be more impressed with that than the 2004 ALCS, given that they have to face Cy-Cy Sabathia and Fausto Cy-mona for two games, whereas in 2004 the best pitcher they had to face was Jon Leiber, or an awful Javier Vazquez.

    AndrewYF October 16, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • “Go stuff your face some more fatboy”
    This is excellent baseball analysis from everyone’s friend, bowel movemment. Let’s analyze. Actually, can the administrators start a new thread with this? Maybe BM can moderate.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Sabathia and Carmona did not impress, but I think the chances of them sucking it up again, both starts, is a long shot

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • “…at least one of the home runs Manny has hit in the off-season this year…”
    damn, he is good if he’s hitting hr’s in the off-season hudson
    meanwhile, pete is retiring to the drawing room to have a post-game discussion with his poop

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • Jackie – Wow perhaps we have its been a long season… Cornell it is!

    sam-YF October 16, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • I always imagine Manny saying “Reeeeeeeeeeooorr Manny is an airplane! Reeeeeeeeeeorrr” whenever he does the superman-hands.
    It makes it seem less assholish, and more cute.
    Goodnight everyone. See you Thursday.

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:44 pm
  • Seriously, get a hobby MFYF’s. Get sunshine, go for a slow walk, read a cereal box, make love to your dog…In case you haven’t noticed, your baseball season is over.

    Pete October 16, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • I just… I mean, what HAPPENED between Friday and Sunday? Friday I was high on life, sure we were going to blaze through Cleveland. I pegged us for a couple tight losses against Sabathia/Carmona, but I thought our offense could handle it. We seemed to be clicking on all cylinders against the Angels, and then in the first game against Sabathia, and we even hit fairly well against Carmona… no way we should have a problem against their #3 and #4 guys, right? What the fuck HAPPENED?
    Baseball is a fickle, fickle mistress.

    Jackie (SF) October 16, 2007, 11:46 pm
  • The Roman Catholic in me:
    To everything there is a season,
    a time for every purpose under the sun.
    A time to be born and a time to die;
    a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
    a time to kill and a time to heal …
    a time to weep and a time to laugh;
    a time to mourn and a time to dance …
    a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;
    a time to lose and a time to seek;
    a time to rend and a time to sew;
    a time to keep silent and a time to speak;
    a time to love and a time to hate;
    a time for war and a time for peace.
    Let’s hope thursday will give us a time to embrace, to dance, and to laugh… good night YFs and SFs, thanks for the good commentary

    Ed October 16, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • Oh BM, thanks for your concern, but I like it right here. Let’s hang, just you and me. And your poop. What more have you learned from it lately? Please share.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • Or listen to your poop, Pete. You forgot that one.
    Or are you the only one who does that? Also, does it actually verbally talk to you, Or is it more of a telepathic “voices in my head” type thing?

    Atheose October 16, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • “…get a hobby MFYF’s…”
    i’d talk to my poop too pete, but i don’t find it as interesting as you do…

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:48 pm
  • I fear BM has left. Oh well.
    Goodnight to everyone else. And to you BM: keep the insights coming.
    – Fatboy

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:51 pm
  • i’m going to have some chips….thanks to pooptalker for the inspiration

    dc October 16, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • DC: Poopboy is much better than BM. Thanks to you for the inspiration.

    IronHorse (yf) October 16, 2007, 11:57 pm
  • Can everyone PLEASE stop talking about chips? My house does not come with a fully stocked (yet over-priced) mini-bar. It’s pouring outside and I do not want to be forced into going to a 7-11 to get chips in the middle of a rainy night.

    rootbeerfloat October 16, 2007, 11:59 pm
  • RBF: Sorry. I would have thought that all the talk of poop might counteract that for you.

    IronHorse (yf) October 17, 2007, 12:05 am
  • Really a riveting game. I’ve got to say, I thought Wakefield handled himself very well. Two seven run innings in the postseason is a bit rough, though.
    Finally, I’d like to point out that the notable differences between the fortunes of the Yankees and the Sox against the Indians are that:
    1) Your ace performed where ours didn’t.
    2) Their aces turned in excellent performances against us.
    3) You are playing in a seven game seriess
    I feel that #3 is particularly key. Otherwise, you’d be shaking after a game in which your team got taken to school in the car of pain by one M. Byrd, glancing at the 3-1 series record and wondering how these washed up pitchers manage to dissect some of the most potent offenses in the league. Which is exactly what I spent last week doing.

    East River Blues October 17, 2007, 1:32 am
  • Wow, chippy game thread. Going down 3-1 will do that to you.
    Gonna be a bit longer of an offseason than I imagined. *sigh*

    Paul SF October 17, 2007, 2:32 am
  • Just so its in the game thread for the record as it seems it was missed entirely. Pedroia in Game 4 tried to slap the ball out of V-Mart’s glove in the first inning after a wide throw a la A-Rod in game 6 2004. It just goes to show that anything can happen during the heat of the game and that A-Rod’s play wasnt as classless, etc as many would like to claim. That is unless Pedroia should be labeled in the same way.
    Here is a link of a pic from said incident last night from the globe…
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/gallery/10_16_07_sox_indians?pg=2

    Sam-YF October 17, 2007, 7:54 am
  • Look at the front page of Nomaas.
    Pretty funny. Who wants to talk about ‘the slap’?

    AndrewYF October 17, 2007, 8:14 am
  • here’s a shorter link to the globe pic:
    http://tinyurl.com/2dzg8o

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 8:33 am
  • The picture makes it look like there’s the possibility he could just be sliding headfirst into first base, but the Nomaas progression of frames really seals the deal – Pedroia tried to knock the ball out of V-Mart’s glove with his hands.
    I don’t really have that much of a problem with it, no one does, but the irony is DELICIOUS.

    AndrewYF October 17, 2007, 8:34 am
  • i agree, andrew. i might’ve tried the same thing. i wouldn’t have felt bad about it.
    as i said when rodriguez tried that, he should have just tried to run the guy over, but i suppose the match up was more favorable when it was rodriguez and arroyo as opposed to pedroia and martinez.
    still, it is funny, given the mockery and outrage that was displayed in the past.
    good stuff.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 8:39 am
  • It’s not over yet.
    Get back to Boston down one, and we’ll see.
    It’s not over yet.

    Brad October 17, 2007, 8:57 am
  • They’re both bunk, BS plays, so yeah, why are we talking about either? Both players know better and should not have done it. If I was Martinez I would have spun my spikes across his arm, and he wouldn’t have done it again. Ever.
    YF’s sure are rubbing salt early.

    Brad October 17, 2007, 9:00 am
  • Agree with Brad here. Both plays were bush league.
    See, we have single standards here, despite what some might think.

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:05 am
  • Brad
    This is isnt salt rubbing, I was just pointing out a play in the first inning of the game which closely paralleled a play that YFs have been hearing about for 3 years now on a very regular basis.

    sam-YF October 17, 2007, 9:05 am
  • NoMaas asks “Will Red Sox fans call this bush league too?”.
    So if the answer is “yes”, will they shut up? I bet not.

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:06 am
  • speaking only for myself, i am not rubbing salt. my team is out of the playoffs. i am in no position to do so, especially seeing as the sox aren’t finished yet, as you said.
    i was just equally amused by the irony of the play… and the silence with which it was greeted, both by the media and evidently people here.
    nothing more.
    you guys can still pull this out.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 9:11 am
  • SF, we appreciate the even handed approach you take.
    That said, YFs have earned the right to harp on this for at least a morning since we have been hearing about A-Rod’s play seeminglty for ever.

    sam-YF October 17, 2007, 9:11 am
  • well IH, then “poopboy” it is…
    as much as i want to believe ped’s intent was to slap the ball out of the glove, i’d love to have the reverse angle of that shot just to be sure…maybe he just doesn’t know how to slide into a bag head first, and this akward attempt that looks more like a dive just happened to be in the general direction of the glove that’s about to tag him…having said that though, it’s proof enough for me that everyone else is convinced it was a slap…might be naive to expect sox fans to backpedal on arod’s glove slap, after all it was arod [and a yankee] so it was met with a national outrage [largely because of media over-reation to everything-arod], while this was a gritty sox player, the beloved [and rather boring from the media perspective] ped, so it was barely noticed and largely ignored…not suggesting a double-standard here, although it sounds like i am, i’m merely pointing out the disparate reactions to similar incidents depending on who’s involved…

    dc October 17, 2007, 9:13 am
  • It was bush league then and it’s bush league now, though Pedroia is a little luckier because the ball didn’t get knocked out. Because of that, most people didn’t notice it even happened.

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 9:15 am
  • Like DC, I can’t really tell from the image progression on NoMaas. It looks like he could be about to slide awkwardly into first. Not having seen the game, I can’t say for sure one way or the other.
    Also to be considered when judging media reaction to the play: This series isn’t Sox-Yankees, in which EVERYthing is magnified.

    Paul SF October 17, 2007, 9:16 am
  • Also, Pedroia has normal-colored lips and does not wear Mickey Mouse gloves.

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 9:17 am
  • Whatever, dc. I saw the play at the time and it looked like a clumsy slide, though a re-viewing certainly makes it look like a slap. As such, it attains “bush league” status, at least from me. The lack of “outrage” probably has more to do with both the visual ambiguity (as you yourself describe) as well as the circumstance than with anything else – remember that A-Rod’s slap was first incorrectly called, then reversed (at Yankee Stadium, no less), in a tight ballgame between two arch-rivals. Let’s not go overboard with the “double standard” insinuations here, ok? It won’t go anywhere good, in the end.

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:20 am
  • Also DC, like I said before, nothing became of the “slap-attempt”. The ball never came loose, so the play is easily forgotten.
    Plus his hands never actually make contact, so perhaps he started to slap out of instinct but then stopped himself. Does anyone know if he was asked about the play in the post-game interview?

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 9:27 am
  • paul, i see your point about the inevitable magnification when the yankees and sox play, but… this is a playoff game.
    it is still hilarious to me.
    i just put “rodriguez slap” into the YFSF search field. the sheer volume of posts that have someone bringing that play up out of nowhere.
    perhaps the pleas to drop the subject this time are due more to the fact that there are bigger fish to fry for half of those who come here. i can understand that and would certainly prefer to focus on the task at hand if the situation was reversed. (even if we YFs had the play looped ad nauseum and were being reminded of it constantly in the days following rodriguez’s swipe.) i’ll assume that is the case out of respect for those who were asking to do so.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 9:28 am
  • I am not asking the subject to be “dropped” (that would imply that there is some fear of the end result of a discussion), I am more just wondering what there is to “discuss” once we acknowledge that the play by Pedroia was similarly lame in intent?
    Where else can the discussion go, but downwards?

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:34 am
  • sf, fair enough…i said i was giving ped the benefit of the doubt…insinuate a double-standard?…no insinuation, i came right out and said i wasn’t trying to suggest any double-standard [for guys like you anyway who can be objective]…as i pointed out, if there’s a double-standard it’s with the media who tend to treat similar events differently depending on the circumstances and the players…i bet dirt dogs don’t even acknowledge it…you have to admit that the arod slap was over-played, even on this site…to dismiss the ped slap as “bush, ok let’s move on” seems a bit unbalanced…let the yf’s have a little fun with it…

    dc October 17, 2007, 9:35 am
  • This is a great place to talk baseball, regardless of the team you root for. All of these pissing contests are taking the fun out of this site, don’t let that happen. Enough with the nasty back and forth.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 17, 2007, 9:37 am
  • And that addressed to last night’s participants, not this morning’s discussion.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 17, 2007, 9:39 am
  • i bet dirt dogs don’t even acknowledge it
    Worrying about whether DD acknowledges the Pedroia slap is like worrying about when Lynne Cheney will admit her husband is a megalomaniac. Never, ever gonna happen. Don’t waste any energy on this, mental or otherwise.

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:45 am
  • “…Don’t waste any energy on this…”
    uh, good advice sf, thanks…i can’t believe that “worried” me for even a minute…ugh

    dc October 17, 2007, 9:48 am
  • sf, i agree that the discussion doesn’t need to be a long one. it probably wouldn’t have been brought up at all had the discussion/ridicule over rodriguez’s play not continued up until last night. (hudson mentioned the rodriguez play last night… it is right up there, you can scroll up and see for yourself if you’d like.)
    i think it was mentioned only to put it on record for when pedroia is referred to as slappy for the next 4 years or so.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 9:49 am
  • “Slappy Pedroia”.
    I like it!!! Sounds like the name of a Borscht Belt comedian circa 1957.

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:50 am
  • very soupy sales, indeed.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 9:54 am
  • Now if only we can get another team to come back from 3-0 deficit in the ALCS and we will be pretty much all square.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 17, 2007, 9:55 am
  • Think of the marketing opportunities:
    the “Slappy Pedro” could become some sort of specialty drink at a Boston Tex-Mex cantina.
    Or a bizarre sexual position.
    (Oy, I need help)

    SF October 17, 2007, 9:55 am
  • Sorry, if someone could come back from a 3-0 deficit in the ALCS and have one of their player’s shout “HA” while running past a IF’r. Then we are definitely square.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 17, 2007, 9:56 am
  • technically, they’d have to mount the comeback, but be the “victims” of the “HA!”…
    on an unrelated note, only 3 months and 25 days until pitchers and catchers report.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 10:05 am
  • gonna be a fun off-season, but let’s wait’ll this one’s over first

    dc October 17, 2007, 10:11 am
  • It’s times like these where I really miss Kevin Millar. We seem to be lacking the one guy who is going to lean back in his chair, crack open a Bud Light and reassuringly tell the team: “We’ve got Beckett on the mound tomorrow and the final two games in Boston. What is everyone worried about? We’ve got this shit taken care of. We have the Indians right where we want them.”

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 10:19 am
  • sorry, dc.
    my team is done.
    our off-season sideshow has already begun.
    i do realize that there is more to be played. good games, too. thursday’s should feel like the WS.
    the off day today stinks, by the way. although i guess the rest for beckett and the others will make for a better game.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 10:22 am
  • The off-day DEFINITELY sucks today. Though I disagree about the rest being good for Beckett. I would rather Beckett pitch today on normal rest, which allows the option of him playing Game 7 on 3 days rest.
    Though perhaps it’s useless for me to look ahead to Game 7. In any case, we’ve got Beckett on the mound tomorrow night in an elimination game. If anyone can send this series back to Boston, it’s him.

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 10:28 am
  • how much truth is there to the reports of his soreness (arm or back, depending on the source)? maybe the extra day will do him some good.
    regardless, he is the last person the indians want to face. i am confident in predicting that he will get himself psyched for the game and i wouldn’t bet against a solid outing from him.

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 10:34 am
  • I think you’re right about Beckett getting himself psyched for this game. If anyone can light a fire under our offense it’s Becks.

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 10:44 am
  • YFIB, Girardi made mention of it in the pregame. Who knows.
    I still think this series is far from over. You have 2 of the best big game pitchers in baseball going in the next two games and if there is a game #7 anything can happen.

    John - YF (Trisk) October 17, 2007, 10:45 am
  • atheose: beckett is ALWAYS fired up.
    and i think john is right, too. these games figure to be amazing. once again, the world series looks to be a bit of a letdown.
    after complaining about the off day, i realized that i will be in classes tonight and won’t be in front of a TV until 10:30 or so. this schedule actually works really well for me. thanks, FOX.
    (never thought i’d type that.)

    Yankee Fan In Boston October 17, 2007, 11:07 am
  • There’s a difference between Fox’s scheduling and Fox’s broadcasting. Don’t feel bad for being thankful for the former.
    The broadcasting, however… tomorrow night I’ll be muting the TV and playing Rammstein during the game. I figure screaming German lyrics is what Beckett has going through his head 24/7, anyways.

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 11:14 am
  • See, I saw the play in realtime I stood up a shouted “he slapped!” so loud the diners at the restaurant across the street started laughing. But I think we can all agree that (A-Rod + Yankees + Sox)*ESPN is a much bigger stage than (Indians + Sox)*Fox.

    East River Blues October 17, 2007, 11:17 am
  • Not to mention that the ARod slap was at a crucial momment in an elimination game.

    Atheose October 17, 2007, 11:22 am
  • “Slappy Pedroia”
    Nice one, but how about “Lil’ Slappy”?

    Andrews October 17, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • Pedroia is bush league.

    Russell October 17, 2007, 7:54 pm
  • “Lil’ Slappy” has more of a silly rap feel to it, but it’s still pretty good.

    SF October 17, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • How about “Lil’ Bushy”?

    Russell October 18, 2007, 12:59 pm
  • How about “Lil’ Bushy”?

    Russell October 18, 2007, 1:00 pm
  • How about “Lil’ Bushy”?

    Russell October 18, 2007, 1:00 pm
  • How about “Lil’ Bushy”?

    Russell October 18, 2007, 1:00 pm

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