¿Quién es la Más Perezoso?

So we don’t need to spend too much time establishing our bona fides with regards to Manny’s, shall we say, lack of outward devotion and ballyard jingoism to all things Red Sox.  And we also don’t need to remind everyone that we’ll defend his god-given abilities to just about anyone who might demean the ridiculously gifted right left (EDIT: brain fart – it’s spring training!) fielder (that means you, John-YF).  But without sounding too pro-Manny it seems that the recent shenanigans regarding Manny’s "lateness" to Spring Training and his AWOLish (not to be confused with a-holeish) behavior with respects to the WBC are at least half off.  First of all, regarding those accusing Manny showing up late to work, he’s not.  El Guapo’s Ghost perused the CBA and it’s clear after a quick calendar review that Manny needs to show up March 1, no earlier.  Argue all you want about what he should do, but what he’s required to do is not debatable.  So Steve Buckley should stow his poison pen.  He accuses Manny of "long since caring about the Red Sox", but how Buckley can substantiate this carelessness I have no clue, since he has about as much access to Manny as I do right now. It seems to me like we could turn that claim back on Buckley’s with regards to his relationship to the truth. 

Now, regarding the WBC.  This lack of disclosure regarding participation is a problem.  For all the bashing of A-Rod we gleefully engaged in here, at least A-Rod (however torturedly) decided weeks in advance about his involvement.  In this context, we think that Manny is doing the Dominican Republic, the tournament, and paying customers a disservice.  Either let them know you’re coming or not.  If you want to play, great – we admire those who participate even as we understand the dilemma in weighing joining the fledgling competition and risking injury against the desire to rest up and get ready for the paying day job.  But Manny needs (and needed, long ago) to make a decision.

14 comments… add one

  • Well put SF. Just making sure I have it right:
    Manny is a bigger selfish jerk than A Rod.
    A Rod has been unfairly targeted by Sox fans.

    walein February 23, 2006, 1:48 pm
  • “Red Sox owner John W. Henry confirmed today that Manny Ramirez, who received permission to delay reporting to the Sox until March 1, will not play in the World Baseball Classic.”
    (courtesy Boston Globe)
    Did Manny and Trot switch positions, SF?

    NV in SD February 23, 2006, 2:00 pm
  • Not really, Walein, but I like your effort.
    Two different situations here, just to clarify: I don’t see how Manny showing up when the CBA requires is being “selfish”. He has nothing to prove to new employers or to his teammates (like Damon, or anyone else who wants to ingratiate themselves to the fans, the media, or ownership), so I think the shitstorm that the media in Boston is creating over Manny being in camp on March 1st is garbage; they have little to write about these first few days of spring training so why not jump all over Manny, who isn’t there to defend himself – seems like easy, cowardly journalism to me. Manny not showing up until the day he has to is neither selfish nor unselfish – it’s his right, and too bad for the bloodthirsty press. The fans shouldn’t be so stupid to buy into what the press wants to be an impending sideshow.
    The second situation, regarding the WBC, is just stupidity and/or laziness on Manny’s part. BUT — Manny hasn’t equivocated through the press as to whether he’s playing for his birth country or his adopted country (he’s a dual citizen, just like the Bronx Tool), and he hasn’t made a spectacle of how much he cares. He just hasn’t said anything, and I think that’s weak. A-Rod at least made a decision, as I say, and I think that’s a good thing, but Manny being Manny doesn’t forgive A-Rod his narcissicism.
    Still, a valiant try on your part.

    SF February 23, 2006, 2:06 pm
  • Now, I’ll preface this by saying I like Manny Ramirez alot. I find his “I don’t give a S!@# attitude amusing–and he’s a tremendous hitter. I also think the idea of jumping all over Manny for showing up on March 1st is ridiculous.
    However, the theory that S.I. put out some time ago now (which we all seem to have espoused), that Manny is some sort of half retarded, idiot-savant, man-child side-steps the fact that Manny Ramirez is probably just as acutely self-absorbed and narcissistic as A Rod is.
    “Manny being Manny” just doesn’t fly. I think his absolute “disapearence” in relation to what’s happening around him concerning his sport/job (the WBC issue) is not so much an “Oh…Manny” thing as it is a perfect example of how frighteningly negligent Manny is as a person.
    All that being said…I think he’s a much funnier sports personality than A Rod.

    walein February 23, 2006, 3:46 pm
  • The decision has been made, and he ain’t goin. The club had a little something to do with this in return for an hours late arrival in Ft. Myers. Official stuff as of 3. See me for more. Cannot plug here. Not nice.

    peter* February 23, 2006, 4:08 pm
  • Manny may be self-absorbed, but there’s a difference between his insanely detached self-absorption and A-Rod’s self-involved kind. It’s the difference between being fully insulated and oblivious to those around you versus being so aware of those around you that you can’t help but self-promote.
    Doesn’t it all come down to who you’d rather have a beer with? Drinking with Manny would probably be stupefyingly boring as well as potentially hysterical, if you are lucky to get anything out of him. Whether there was any conversation would be a crapshoot. But I can almost guarantee that having a beer with A-Rod would be absolute torture; you know what the subject of conversation would be, in advance.

    SF February 23, 2006, 4:16 pm
  • has to be asked “who would you rather have a beer with?” Schilling or A-Rod?

    Nick February 23, 2006, 4:33 pm
  • Very possible SF. Honestly, both would be pretty boring to have beers with. The main difference would be the constant stream of obcenities and beer cans/bottles being thrown at you by Sox fans as you tried to figure out how A Rod kept his hair from moving even an inch.

    walein February 23, 2006, 4:35 pm
  • Schilling or A-Rod? No contest – Schilling, though it would be debatable if he’d continue to drink with me after I do the whole “you know if your hand is bigger than your face you have cancer” thing.
    At the very least Schilling would offer you his opinions on things other than himself. By “other things” I mean “everything”. The A-Rod discussion would be a painful one-noter.

    SF February 23, 2006, 4:41 pm
  • I have to say I really don’t think the A Rod conversation would be as much about himself as a Shilling’s conversation would be. Sure there would be the “I had this one experience…” or “When I hit fifteen home runs off of Bartolo Colon…” stuff but I believe the real problem with the A Rod conversation would be the dull talk about poker and tapered jeans.

    walein February 23, 2006, 5:16 pm
  • and “his boy JJ Redick”.

    SF February 23, 2006, 5:23 pm
  • i do kinda wonder how we’d think about Manny if he was a white dude from Nebraska. Some of the slack we cut him I think comes from the sense that, like a lot of athletes of color from elsewhere, he’s different from us (us being US-born english-speaking mostly-white folks) and Manny…well, he just happens to be REALLY different from us. Y’know?

    bored at work February 24, 2006, 1:27 am
  • I think it’s silly to split hairs over the media’s skewed presentation of ANY athlete’s personality. The ‘rather have a beer with’ debate is based purely on what load of partisan garbage you want to swallow.
    I also don’t get bored at work’s point about cutting different (non-white) athletes some slack. 1. Since when has this society, especially a market like Boston, ever done that to any ballplayer? 2. How is the media and portions of RSN cutting Manny any slack by obsessing over his supposed tardiness to camp and his internal motivations, especially given the HOF numbers he’s put up year after year after year?
    Can a Manny-hating Sox fan explain the basis for the hatred? Out of all of the potential outfielders in MLB who would be willing to play in Boston (especially the non-whites), very few, if any, could statistically fill his shoes year in and year out.
    As for the WBC, I’m pretty bummed, in general, that so many healthy players are sitting out. As the tournament gains steam over the years, I hope the trend will reverse itself.

    lp February 24, 2006, 11:18 am
  • just to clarify my “point,” if i can flatter myself that there is one, I wasn’t trying to say this is a good thing or a bad. I mean, it’s not like America cuts people of color any slack on the whole. Quite the opposite. I just meant that when people “we” identify with act like a total nut, we’re more likely to call that person crazy in a derogatory or clinical way. But with manny, sometimes it seems like “our” attitude is more forgiving since there was never any chance he’d be like “us” anyway.
    Clearly not everyone holds this attitude; I’m talking about Manny fans only. I mean, the Boston media would bash Christ for rising from the dead a couple days late, and are just generally so beyond the pale that I’m not even going to try to explain their behavior.
    Obviously, if no one agrees with me, replace all words in quotes with “I,” “me,” “mine,” etc — and then put me in the nuthouse, too.

    bored at work February 24, 2006, 11:44 am

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