Random Players I like/hate

I like certain players. I hate certain players. Sometimes I like players because of the way they play the game. I don’t mean I like them for playing the game the right way  (One rule is that I tend to dislike players who talk publicly about playing the game the right way). I usually mean I like the aesthetics of their game. But sometimes I like them because they’re just plain goofy on and off the field. Manny Ramirez, Rickey Henderson and Doug Waechter fit into this last category.

I also hate players. I hate them for various reasons. None of them are very good reasons. It’s not that I seriously hate these players like I seriously hate the guy who I accidentally bumped into exiting the library the other day, and who then called me a "worthless piece of sh*t" even after I had apologized. No, nothing like that. I hate them for stupid superficial reasons as you’ll see below. Still, maybe I’m not the only one who invests fandom with a certain personalized emotion. Maybe you have a list like the one below of players you like and hate.

Like List

  • El Duque: I love him for obvious reasons. I like the fact that he and Jorge Posada used to have game-long shouting matches when he pitched. I love the fact that he created a system of signs that none of his teammates (including the middle infielders and catcher) understood when a runner was on second because he was so paranoid about the runner stealing signs. I like the constant fidgeting, the eephus pitches, the genius.
  • Corey Hart: His name is enough. But then there’s his appearance, specifically the flowing blond locks. He was meant to be a professional wrestler, the next generation of the Hart Foundation, but baseball paid more.
  • Manny: More than the crazy wackiness, I like him because he’s from Washington Heights, and we must root for those from our neck of the woods.
  • Melky, Robbi and Hanley: I like these three for an idea they represent. Specifically, I like them for outperforming the expectations of stats-leaning prospect experts. They are and were more than their minor league numbers. We are all more than our numbers! Not sure where I’m going with that one…
  • Jimmy Rollins: If had made it to the majors this is exactly the type of player I would have been. I would have been awesome like Rollins. In Inwood Little League, I played shortstop, was speedy, had pop in my bat, hit triples all the time, and was very very short compared to my peers. When Jimmy does something well, I think about what I could be doing on the field at that moment if I had not chosen to become a school teacher. Alas, the choices you make…
  • Juan Encarnacion: He’s mediocre but my friend and I are convinced he’s going to have a break-out year one of these decades. We fancy ourselves scouts who see past the stats and understand a player’s true capabilities. Based on watching the way he plays every part of the game, we are convinced he is a 6-tool player with Ken Griffey Jr.’s upside. His home run a few years back against Ramiro Mendoza that landed in the left field bleachers was the greatest expression of physical talent I have ever seen. No hyperbole.
  • Curtis Granderson: There is nothing better than a triple. Nothing. But you also have to understand something about Granderson, he is the most unassuming superstar (MVP candidate! Look at the stats.) you’ll ever see. I love Granderson primarily because the Tigers uniform is so cool and he wears it cooler than anyone else.

Hate List

  • Dustin Pedroia: To quote Dylan Thomas from A Child’s Christmas in Wales: "I hated him on sound and sight." This is an odd choice because Pedroia is so short and since I was once very short I usually root for players like the Sox rookie. The Thomas quotation is interpreted by some as a line actually targeted at himself (some think he’s looking at his reflection is a shop window when he says this), so maybe that’s the root of my hatred. Maybe I unconsciously hate myself…Not likely. I’m Jimmy Rollins! I just can’t stand the way the guy looks. I’m sure we’d hate each other if we met outside a library or something.
  • Kyle Farnsworth: Fish in a barrel.
  • Paul LoDuca: At a "Playing the Game the Right Way" convention, he would be the keynote speaker. Josh Beckett would give a PowerPoint presentation diagramming how to play the game the right way; while the Toronto Blue Jays would perform a one act musical titled "The Game the Right Way" scored by Trot Nixon, with music by Boomer Esiason (Yeah, that’s right I can’t stand Boomer so much that he’s included even though he plays football!).
  • Todd Zeile: There will never be a more boring hitter in the history of the game.
  • Don Baylor: Oh yeah, you were as boring as Zeile. My childhood, a period of wonderment, was made banal by your at-bats. Thanks for single-handedly pushing me to existentialist thought. Without you, I never read Camus and Sartre, and I never understand the nature of the Void. You make me nauseated.

All right. That’s my list. Simple enough. Am I the only one who has such a list? Share yours here if you also have one.

162 comments… add one
  • Being wholly irrational, I hate Hideki Matsui not because he’s a Yankee, but because he’s the least hip-looking Japanese man I’ve ever seen in my life. You come from the crazy futuristic land of the Rising Sun and *that’s* your haircut? At least he’s got a raging porn habit.
    I also hate:
    Chipper Jones because what grown man goes by name of Chipper, and also he’s often sporting a herpes-looking cold sore and that’s just gross.
    Carlos Zambrano for no reason I can figure out.
    Barry Zito for winning Pedro’s Cy Young in ’02.
    Wily Mo Pena.

    Bullfrog August 9, 2007, 11:45 am
  • the greatest post in the history of yfsf? right up there.

    YF August 9, 2007, 11:48 am
  • I hate Pedroia so much. I was watching a Sox-Indians game and he called called out on a sweet curve by Fausto Carmona and he started whining like a bitch. Then two innings later Carmona knocked him down with a 95mph fastball and he started crying to the ump. Then he tried to charge the mound, but the indians catcher Martinez just stood up to him. He’s like 5 inches taller and Pedroia had fear in his face.

    bostonsucks August 9, 2007, 11:57 am
  • Where are Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco on the Hate List? Frankly, I’m still somewhat undecided on the former, but Jose is a scumbag. Granted, he’s laying out all that’s wrong with baseball but I can’t help thinking he’s not out for justice so much as a couple of hefty publisher’s paychecks and a lot of attention.
    You gotta dig guys like Tulowitzki and Ichiro who are goofy, talented, and simply enjoy the game. Same goes for Cano and Melky (“el duo”).
    As for Manny, he’s a bum. I don’t buy into that whole “Manny being Manny” nonsense. He’s a self-determined “guy on the couch” and it’s an awfully deliberate act that fans everywhere have fallen for. So what if he’s from the Heights? So am I, but the dude acts triflingly like a child. “I don’t want to play for the Red Sox. I love the Red Sox.” Rinse. Repeat.
    G-d bless the New York Yankees as they take the division and make it to the World Series. Will they win it? Maybe.
    Keep up the writing, fellas. I dig.

    Jose August 9, 2007, 11:57 am
  • Jose, you have to have neighborhood pride, my friend!

    Nick-YF August 9, 2007, 11:58 am
  • Did I mention I think Manny’s a bum?

    Jose August 9, 2007, 11:59 am
  • Haha. I’ll root for the next guy who comes out of Inwood/Washington Heights/the Boogie Down. Pedro Alvarez, ladies and gents, stay tuned! He’s a great kid, too.

    Jose August 9, 2007, 12:00 pm
  • Jose Canseco is the Lord of my hate list. I wholeheartedly concur, Jose; what a douche.
    As for likes, I’m gonna go with Nick on the Melky/Cano call. Cano’s my Baseball Jesus.
    As much as it burns me to say, I sorta dig Manny, too.
    Farnsworth?? Ugh. Stick a fork in ‘im.

    Stone August 9, 2007, 12:09 pm
  • LIKE LIST:
    1. Julio Franco–The man is like 82 years old and he still swings the heaviest bat in baseball. Plus he was on the Rangers when I lived in Dallas and had season tickets.
    2. Nolan Ryan–Also on the Rangers during that time, I was at his 5,000 strikeout game and at his 7th no hitter. Two of the fondest memories of my life.
    3. David Ortiz–All you need to do is look at replays of him wrapping up the 2nd baseman in a bearhug when getting tagged out earlier this season. Even if he wasn’t the supergod that he is, this would be reason enough for me.
    4. Julian Tavarez–He sucks at pitching, but I love him anyways. He looks like Freddie Kreuger and wanted to grow up to be a porn star.
    HATE LIST:
    1. Jason Giambi–Jesus christ, does his hair get any greasier?
    2. Derek Jeter–He always has a smug-ass look on his face.
    3. Jose Canseco–No one gives a shit about you Jose. Please stop talking to people about stuff.
    4. Dean Palmer–When I was 12 years old I stood in line at a grocery store to get an autograph from Dean “Dean the Home Run machine” Palmer, who ended up being an asshole and didn’t even look up at me. Fuck you, Palmer.
    5. Johnny Damon–My dad bought me a Johnny Damon jersey for Christmas last year. By the time Damon had joined the dark side it was too late to return it. No one likes wasting $140.
    6. Francisco Rodriguez–When he pitches it looks like he is having a siezure. It looks like such a waste of energy. Oh, and his glasses look stupid.

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 12:14 pm
  • “6. Francisco Rodriguez–When he pitches it looks like he is having a siezure. It looks like such a waste of energy. Oh, and his glasses look stupid.”
    Atheose, I completely hate k-Rod. I can’t believe I forgot to include him–such is my hate for the guy. I hate his style of pitching, I hate the histrionics on the mound, I hate the fact that he doesn’t throw strikes EVER. Good call.

    Nick-YF August 9, 2007, 12:17 pm
  • Thanks Nick, glad someone agrees with me.
    And oh, to the LIKE list I forgot to add: Jim Kern. He looked like a fricken lumberjack with that beard.
    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/jim_kern_autograph.jpg

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 12:21 pm
  • wow, i have to say i’m surprised at the pedroia hatred. i just wouldn’t have thought he’d be that kind of guy to ppl. interesting.

    beth August 9, 2007, 12:22 pm
  • A third on K-Rod.
    I left off Bonds and everyone who ever played on the Yankees just because the list would be too long (Matsui, oddly, I mostly hate because of his haircut, not the fact he’s a Yank. It’s a weird world). But, I don’t know, guys.. I don’t mind Canseco. He’s a total moron, but he’s been honest-ish about the steroid stuff, and he’s about the only one.

    Bullfrog August 9, 2007, 12:23 pm
  • Bullfrog,
    I think most of us hate Canseco because he’s a sell-out. He’s not doing all of this to “make baseball pure again”, he’s doing it do make some cash. I think Canseco would say ANYTHING if it would earn him an extra buck.

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 12:30 pm
  • This is a great post, Nick.
    Manny’s awesome, that World Series MVP-winning, 1st ballot Hall of Fame bum. He admires his home runs (read: doubles that should be triples, singles that should be doubles) too often, but his smiles and bull charges in the dugout and his dissing of Shaughnessy all keep me happy. And I love that the Boston fans keep loving him no matter what the media tells them to think. And I love the home runs. I even like it when he watches them as long as they’re actually home runs (which is my policy with all players, basically…showboat with impugnity, but be prepared to endure some razzing if you were wrong about your accomplishment). Also the unexpected outfield assists, they’re like candy. I will miss him when he goes.
    I like Joe Mauer and Vlad Guerrero even as I sweat while I watch them bat. Especially Guerrero. That whole “I don’t care if you throw it straight at my head, I’m gonna hit the f*** out of the ball” thing is great.
    I wouldn’t say I hate Alex Rios, but he looks so goddamn bored and haughty at the plate sometimes. I just want someone to pitch inside and make him sit on his ass.
    Jay Gibbons pisses me off for some reason. So does Jason Frasor…I think I just don’t like his face, wouldn’t trust him.

    Devine August 9, 2007, 12:31 pm
  • Hate:
    ARod- cmon the purple lips, the hamburger helper gloves, the tigerwoods-esque nerd voice, the highlighted tips, the huge paycheck…

    Ric August 9, 2007, 12:32 pm
  • Oh, I forgot to mention Ichiro. He actually rubs me the wrong way sometimes, but he forever goes in the like column because of an AB in an All-Star game (two years ago?). I think he was up with a runner at 2nd and the pitcher was basically “intentionally unintentionally” walking him, when suddenly he just starts swinging the bat at these pitches outside when there was no reason to at all except he must have wanted a hit/RBI. He fouls off a few of them, he keeps getting pitched outside, and then he gets a hit. I just liked the whole “I’m not getting walked in the All-Star game when I can get a hit” attitude.

    Devine August 9, 2007, 12:39 pm
  • Definitely agree with you, Devine. And on Vlad, too. Watching Vlad at the plate is like watching a little leaguer paly: he’s up there, he’s having fun, and he wants to get a hit no matter what. Walking is for pussies.

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 12:45 pm
  • By the way, forgot to mention Nolan Ryan’s fight with Robin Ventura, which ranked #1 on the all-time baseball fights list.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=nME7_e994x4
    Nolan had bigger balls than Pedro. Yeah I said it.

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 12:51 pm
  • Atheose, OK, that makes sense to me. I never meant to imply that his motives were anything other than making a buck, but still, for some reason, he doesn’t inspire hate in me. Irritation, yeah, but not hatred.

    Bullfrog August 9, 2007, 12:53 pm
  • /shrug, I can’t blame you for not hating a guy Bullfrog ;-)

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 12:54 pm
  • LIKE:
    1.Vlad – so much fun to watch at the plate
    2. Torii Hunter- he’s a great interview, seems to be a genuine nice guy
    3.Manny – how can you not like someone that frickin’ insane?
    HATE:
    1. Schilling- I automatically dislike all self-involved blowhards, and he’s one of the worst ever. Insufferable. His ass would be a good place to stuff a stick of dynamite
    2.Garrett Anderson-he seems so incredibly arrogant
    3. Varitek- likes to act tough, but tough guys don’t keep their catcher’s masks on during fights…
    4. All pitchers who wear those stupid looking goggles

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 1:04 pm
  • “3. Varitek- likes to act tough, but tough guys don’t keep their catcher’s masks on during fights…”
    and pitchers dont intentionally throw at .260 hitters ;)

    Ric August 9, 2007, 1:15 pm
  • great post… i gotta really think about this. but, the all-time leader on my lists are without a doubt:
    like: mattingly. who doesn’t like donnie freaking baseball? i was a 7-year-old in the pacific northwest, and i was obsessed with my mattingly card collection. he’s my hero.
    hate: bret boone. his sudden shift from marginal player to premier hitter (which fell off even quicker), the goose egg he threw up in the home run derby, the goofy ass swing, the highlighted hair even though he was in his 30s… he turned into a walking hard-on, and he seemed like a total dick. i loved that he was in the announcer’s booth when his brother overshadowed all of his achievements in a single swing… he was stunned speechless.

    nyara August 9, 2007, 1:18 pm
  • Like – Dontrelle Willis because in a radio interview I heard, he was asked how he manages to keep such a positive attitude even when he’s not pitching well. His answer was basically that his mom would whup his ass if he acted like a big baby when he was lucky enough to be getting paid to play baseball.

    rootbeerfloat August 9, 2007, 1:46 pm
  • Like – Rod Beck, welcomes fans to visit his house and drink ice cold Coors Light with him. Also had one of the best mullets the likes of MLB have ever seen.
    Hate – A.J. Pierzynski, hate everything about him.
    And there are too many Yankees players on here that I hate, but I like Mo.
    RIP Rod Beck

    NeffSox August 9, 2007, 1:57 pm
  • Also (more come to mind as soon as I hit post)
    Like – Beltran and Miguel Cabrera, Have them on my fantasy every year, Beltran since KC days and Miguel since he has been in the league. Love those two guys, hope they never wear pinstripes.
    Orlando Cabrera – probably one of my favorite Red Sox of the past 10 years. And he still hasn’t gotten props for Damon stealing those handshakes :)
    Hate – Eric Byrnes, tried pushing Varitek when he didn’t even touch homeplate, out in McCovey Cove with his dog in a Kayak, does those stupid dress up gigs for Fox Saturday Baseball. Hate him.

    NeffSox August 9, 2007, 2:05 pm
  • I hate Eric Byrnes too, but only because whenever he’s shown on the highlight reel on Sports Center the announcer says “Smithers” with the Mr. Burns voice from the Simpsons. Come on guys, it got old the 2nd time you did it.

    Atheose August 9, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • Like List

    • Abso-Fricking-Lutely Curtis Granderson. He’s my favorite Tiger as well as my second favorite center fielder, and due to ms. gerbil being from Detroit, I watch a lot of Tigers games. I have to agree with whoever said Torii Hunter as well.
    • Adam Everett, Jimmy Rollins, Jose Reyes, Chase Utley… I just love those slick-fielding NL middle infielders.
    • Rick Ankiel. He’s currently crushing the ball (.267/.314/.568, 32HR in 389AB) for the Memphis Redbirds. They played the Portland Beavers the other night; he came in as a pinch hitter, striking out on three pitches, so not much excitement there but he does have a great swing. I would love to see him return to success in the majors as a power hitter after washing out as a pitcher; it would be a great story.
    • John Olerud. Just because.
    • Lou Whittaker. Along with Willie, my first baseball hero.
    • Al Bumbry. His daughter Tia was in my class in elementary school.
    • Mookie Wilson, because on David Letterman’s Top Ten Least Popular Candy Bars, #2 was “Mookie Way.” Huge crowd reaction; I fell out of my chair.

    Hate List

    • Nick already beat me to Farns, so I’ll take Randy Johnson. Snakes WS ’01, ’nuff said. It’s also like god built him just to terrify children and see that monsters are real.
    • David Eckstein. I hated him before it became fashionable to hate him for being the grittiest gritter that ever gritted a grit. Now I hate him for being fashionably hateable too.
    • Josh Towers. This one is brand new.
    • Nick already claimed him too, but I’ll have to take Paul LoDuca. And Piazza. And Gary Carter. And Hundley. Come to think of it, I hate everyone who ever has caught or ever will catch for the Mets. Yeah, even you, Rick Cerone.
    • George Brett. He was always killing the Yankees. Sure, he was always killing everyone, but he was so damn good at the game and the Royals were such a great rivalry then.
    • Everyone who played for the 1981 Dodgers. Lopes, Garvey, Cey, Scioscia, Fernando, all of them.
    attackgerbil August 9, 2007, 2:42 pm
  • Players I Hate:
    Oddly, none of the top 3 are Yankees…
    1. Barry Bonds – Screw you, Barry. Screw you. Not only is he a cheater who stole a record from a great man, but is just a horrible person too. Terrible for baseball. The anti-Ortiz.
    2. Canseco – Again.
    3. Ozzie Guillen – Not a player, but GOD I hate him. Scum. He’s foulmouthed, uses ethnic slurs, is a homophobe (see his choice of insults to a reporter). He’s just a horrible human being. I can’t beleive he hasn`t been fired yet.

    Dionysus August 9, 2007, 2:55 pm
  • Like:
    El Duque for sure, love his delivery and how he always seems to come up big. They say his old, they say this, they say that… who wouldn’t like him on their team?
    David Ortiz, I’m a Yankee fan but there is something about Ortiz, always smiling, looks like a nice guy,
    Mariano Rivera, always comes in does his job, causes no problems, he’s a leader,
    Aaron Boone, his basketball accident gave us A-Rod and of course there is a certain homer he hit,
    Middle of it:
    Sheffield, I hate him as a person, but I just love to watch him swing his bat, wiggle it like crazy up there
    Hate:
    Bonds, obvious reasons…
    Piazza, that whole Clemens thing and how he thinks his the bomb and all,
    Varitek, likes to talk so much but barely ever does anything to prove his yapping,
    Luis Gonzalez, that F***ING bloop single that I will never forgive!!!
    Schilling, come on, even Sox fans can’t stand him.

    Erick August 9, 2007, 3:04 pm
  • I’ve been reading this site for a while without commenting, but this post was too good to resist. Irrationally Liking/Hating players is what makes sports so fun. Since I generally like any current Red Sox and Mets, and hate any current Yankees, with a few exceptions (Heilman, Timlin, Hideki Matsui, Bernie when he was still playing), it’s understood the following include only non-MetSox, Yankees:
    LIKE:
    Joe McEwing – If you’ve ever seen his pre-batting stance routine, you know what I’m talking about. The guy makes Nomar look like a still life.
    Lance Berkman – The strength. The stoicism. The eyeliner. Lance is like a rock’n’roll power chord.
    Vladimir Guerrero – “And now the air is shattered by the force of Vladdy’s blow.” My most highly anticipated moment in Baseball is a Vlad at-bat. If someone told me he hit a wild pitch 500 feet, I wouldn’t blink.
    Greg Maddux/Tom Glavine – TBS made sure I saw plenty of these two during my childhood, but I really do like them. The path of their signature pitches (Maddux’ corkscrew changeup inside and Glavine’s lazy change outside) are forever burned in my brain.
    HATE:
    Ted Lilly/Frank Catalanotto – The very pictures of “irrational hatred”. Something about their sleepy-faced expressions just drives me crazy. Plus, they always seemed to kill the Sox, which doesn’t help matters.
    Craig Counsell – For the love of god, can you just hold your bat like a normal human being?
    Jeff Kent – First, he sucks as a Met. Then he becomes a HOF-caliber player for other teams. On top of that, he performs the inconceivable by making Barry Bonds seem the MORE likeable surly Giant player.
    Again, love the site. I hope my first contribution wasn’t too long.

    FenSheaParkway August 9, 2007, 3:26 pm
  • Like:
    Chone Figgins – he can do it all. Plays IF and OF, hits for avg., has speed. Very annoying to watch on the opposing team.
    Big Papi – only Sox player I like. Class act, great guy. And, I did have a chance to chat briefly with him in a Seattle Starbucks. He was pleasant to me even though I had my Yankees cap on. But then again, he’s been known to sport one of those occasionally. :)
    Dislike:
    38pitches.com – blowhard. I’m pretty certain the “blood” on the sock was ketchup. OK, maybe not, but he’s so into self-promotion that it wouldn’t surprise me.
    Barry Bonds – “*”. Enough said.

    nettles-yf August 9, 2007, 3:40 pm
  • Glad to have you, FSP.

    YF August 9, 2007, 3:42 pm
  • Like/d-Love/d:
    Will Clark – something about a smooth swing and cracked teeth the color of dirt just exude “baseball”.
    Coco Crisp – quotable, smart, hustles like crazy, a joy to watch in the field.
    Mariano – is there a classier ballplayer around?
    Pudge Fisk – childhood hero, nothing more to say than that.
    Hate:
    Cano – Yankee fans who like Cano and hate Pedroia clearly prefer the cocky and the smug over the earnest and the effortful, which is not surprising in the least.
    Eckstein – too easy a target, kind of like McEwing. I am not a big fan of the “scrappy”, in general. And before everyone jumps on this, Pedroia ain’t scrappy, he’s GOOD.
    Jimmy Key and any lefty junkballer who ever threw a pitch.
    Dave Stieb – come to think of it, I pretty much hated all the Blue Jays of the late 80s and early 90s. Ernie Whitt? Blech.
    Love/Hate:
    A-Rod. Man is he a joy to watch when he’s actually doing something, but every other moment (high-stepping off the field after an out, shouting “ha!”, the general narcissism) is terribly painful, excruciatingly so.

    SF August 9, 2007, 3:58 pm
  • I notice that YF hasn’t offered an opinion. What say you, YF? We want names.

    SF August 9, 2007, 4:15 pm
  • I’ll skip the obvious love-Sox and hate-Yanks.
    Love –
    Brian Roberts. Doubles, average, SBs, rock solid fielding, timely hitting. I always wanted him on the Sox.
    Sheffield. Despite being a sociopath off-field. I love to see this guy bat. When he was a MFY he scared the sh*t out of me, more than any opposing hitter I can recall. He’s just explosive.
    C.C. Sabathia. I like that he cocks his hat.
    Hanley Ramirez. We could’ve made some beautiful music together, Hanley.
    David Cone. Class act.
    Hate –
    Eric Byrnes. It was mentioned above, but that playoff moment where instead of scoring the winning run he sulked and shoved Tek was so little league that it made Arod’s most notorious bush league moments look at least like High School baseball.
    Paul Konerko. I had him on a fantasy team one year and he hit like .215.
    Mike Greenwell. Never liked him. In my opinion he got a little too comfortable too quick with the notion that he was the next in a string of great Red Sox left fielders. Little did he know that he was the first in a string of place-holders (Greenwell-Cordero-O’Leary, I think) until Manny came around.
    Tim Hudson. Something about him just rubs me the wrong way.
    Rocco Baldelli. I was annoyed when he was 20 and had never done anything, yet was drawing comparisons to Joe Dimaggio.
    The Baltimore Orioles. With the exceptions of Roberts and Bedard, and despite the fact that Camden Yards is really cool. And yes, even you, Kevin Millar. The biggest pack of also rans and whiners in baseball. They seem to have an endless supply of “some pop” corner OF/1B/DH types. Memo to O’s – Gibbons and Millar plus Huff does not a contender make.
    (Especially) Melvin Mora. This guy looks like he wants to cry all the time.

    Tyrel SF August 9, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • Okay, I’ll oblige:
    Like:
    -Jimmy Key, and just about any junkballer, lefty or righty, who has stood 60 feet from home and used his mind to record an out [Sorry SF]
    -Coney, and any other wiley vet who reinvents himself
    -Donnie. He can have my popcorn anytime
    -Roy White
    -Derek Sanderson Jeter BECAUSE OMG HE”S SO HOT
    Hate:
    -The 1986 Mets
    -The 1986 Red Sox
    -Gary Carter & Howard Johnson
    -Rags
    -Jack Clark
    -Aaron Boone
    -Pat Kelly
    -Trot Nixon
    -Kruk

    YF August 9, 2007, 4:55 pm
  • David Cone. Class act.
    W*cking off in the bullpen makes you classy?

    SF August 9, 2007, 4:59 pm
  • God, I forgot one of my all-time favorites:
    PEDRO!

    SF August 9, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • Love:
    Mike Sweeney – The guy played his prime years in KC when he could’ve gone anywhere else. Seems like an all-around nice guy otherwise, too.
    Tom Gordon – I always liked the way he stood set on the mound, with his hat pulled over his eyes.
    Magglio Ordonez – Great name, and *everything* seems to be falling in for him this year.
    Hate:
    Gary Sheffield – The reason the Yanks don’t have Vlad.
    The Boone Brothers – Everything said above about Brett applies. As for Aaron, his performance in the ’03 WS better approximates his career as a Yankee than the ALCS.
    Chone Figgins – Angels players, except Vlad, are automatically docked points. Your name is pronounced Cho-Knee, dammit.

    bkolb August 9, 2007, 5:02 pm
  • I don’t truly hate him, but I do take pleasure at seeing Rah-jah Clemens suspended for five games (according to the Post).

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 5:06 pm
  • I really don’t understand the hate for Tek or Dustin, not at all, but what ever…
    As for me…
    LIKE:
    Billy Mueller, Olderdude, Mariano, Lowell, Loretta: Professionals, all of them, just go/went out and do/did their job, guys like these don’t get enough recognition unless they also happen to be stars. Baseball needs more of these guys.
    Manny, yeah, he’s crazy, but he’s also a lot harder working than anyone gives him credit for, look it up, you will be surprised how hard this guy works.
    Ortiz, it’s all been said already.
    Jeter, it’s all been said already.
    Vald, it’s all been said already.
    HATE:
    Schilling, Arod, Bonds, Posada, Giambi, Sheff, AJ, Lilly, The Boone Family, RJ…
    Actually, the hate list could go on for a while. All these guys have a certain level of douche baggery that just annoys me, for a lot of them it manifests in much different ways, but they all just make my ass itch. Baseball doesn’t need them.
    This was fun, I could expand on this for hours.
    I particularly like the way it has brought out people that don’t normally post, for better or worse. Great idea Nick, you took a big risk though, this could have been a time bomb for trolls.

    LocklandSF August 9, 2007, 5:09 pm
  • “David Cone. Class act.
    W*cking off in the bullpen makes you classy?”
    I must have missed that on Sports Center.
    I sat in the bleachers for a Sox-Yanks game the year after Cone hung up the spikes, and Cone sat two rows in front of me. He signed autographs steadily for three and a half hours and never seemed annoyed. I asked him why he didn’t use his connections to get better seats and he looked around and said there’s no better place to watch a game. He just struck me as a classy guy.

    Tyrel SF August 9, 2007, 5:10 pm
  • Make Pedro my absolute all-time favorite. There was simply nothing like watching the artistry, smarts, skill, and power of Pedro in his prime.

    SF August 9, 2007, 5:12 pm
  • Ditto on Pedro, I have no idea how I left him off. He’s top 5 in my book. A magician in his prime, plain and simple.

    LocklandSF August 9, 2007, 5:14 pm
  • > didn’t use his connections to get better seats and he looked around and said there’s no better place to watch a game
    I think that’s about my favorite thing I’ve heard a ballplayer say in a long time

    attackgerbil August 9, 2007, 5:14 pm
  • David Cone
    Whenever anyone talks about “action in the bullpen,” minds wander to David Cone, the beloved pitcher accused of numerous indiscretions in his day — most famously jerking off in front of a groupie in the bullpen in 1989. The woman who accused the celebrated player (he pitched a perfect game in 1999 and is the subject of Roger Angell’s 2001 book A Pitcher’s Story) claimed that, as she quickly exited the bullpen, Cone said to her, “You’re a big baby. You’re not invited to showtime anymore.” — A. Calhoun

    From Nerve.com. I won’t say how I found it on Google. Too embarrassing a search.

    SF August 9, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • Some more…
    Love:
    Scott Kazmir – His presence in Tampa Bay still drives Met fans nuts, but hasn’t had any impact on the division.
    Adam Dunn – Shelley Duncan, only for real.
    Hate:
    Jeff Conine – Always seems to be playing for the Orioles or the Marlins. Tyrel, this is the prototypical Orioles’ player you hate so much.
    J.J. Putz – Like Figgins, I hate him mostly for how he chooses to pronounce his name. If he called himself putz, I’d love this guy.

    bkolb August 9, 2007, 5:16 pm
  • I don’t really hate any player, but how about announcers… As a Sox fan living in NY, Waldman and Sterling drive me crazy with hatred. Oh and the Wite Sox announcers as well. “He Gone!”

    Anonymous August 9, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • Oof, Hawk Harrelson is just awful, perhaps the worst I have ever heard. Sterling seems to know his baseball (sort of) but is just too in love with his own voice. Kay is far worse than Sterling, just a complete shill for the team.
    Gary Cohen, now he’s the man.

    SF August 9, 2007, 5:20 pm
  • I know a girl that married a guy with the last name Balz, little more than a month after they met she insisted on pronouncing it Baltz, even though there was no T to be found anywhere in the name. Needless to say, she’s a total bitch.

    LocklandSF August 9, 2007, 5:21 pm
  • > As a Sox fan living in NY, Waldman and Sterling drive me crazy with hatred
    As a Yanks fan, umm…ditto. What, no Kay?

    attackgerbil August 9, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • > Needless to say, she’s a total bitch
    or bich, as it were.

    attackgerbil August 9, 2007, 5:24 pm
  • Jim Palmer and Buck Martinez were insufferable in Baltimore. Martinez sounded like a Simpsons character.

    bkolb August 9, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • Glad to see someone else hates Eric Byrnes… He was such a tool during the Sox/A’s playoff series…
    As a Sox fan, but also a fan of somewhat eccentric players, I still have a soft spot for both Pedro Martinez and, yes, Derek Lowe.
    Pedro knows how to work the media better than anyone, and can be extremely funny. He serves up these off-the-wall quotes (e.g. his “banana tree” and “the Yankees are my daddy”) that the press just can’t resist. In the dugout, he always looks like he’s having the time of his life. Oh, and in his prime he was the nastiest pitcher I’ve ever seen.
    Lowe — he’s likeable because he can be such a head case. People who’ve played with him say he’s the most natural athlete around, could pick up any club or ball and do well in that sport… He also had a history of weird, mental meltdowns which both pissed off fans and endeared them to him. All of that was redeemed by his incredibly gutsy performances in the playoffs.

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 5:28 pm
  • Kay is ok, not great but not over the top.
    Listening to Sterling and Waldman is like listening to a three hour love poem to the Yanks. I can’t tell what’s actually going on in every game – every pop up sounds like a home run, every double play should be on the hilight reel of the week. I know the Yanks are a great team, especially lately, but come on.

    brooklyn SF August 9, 2007, 5:29 pm
  • Oh, and how could I possibly forget (hate list) …..
    TIM McCARVER and JOE MORGAN
    For their play-by-play work, not their MLB performance.
    (Surprised no one has mentioned Pete Rose yet, one way or another.)

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • Hate:
    One dimensional players. Like David Ortiz and Jason Giambi. You are BASEBALL players, not just hitters.
    Manny Ramirez. The hair, the hair net, the uniform 2 sizes too big, the posing after HR’s. He makes me want to throw up.
    Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Chris Hammond, Kyle Farnsworth…any pitcher we signed since 2001 that has proven to be useless.
    Reggie Jackson, Bronx is Burning is making the hate even deeper!
    Love:
    Derek Jeter, he is all that is right about the game.
    Jorge Posada, plays the game the right way.
    JJ Hardy, Prince Fielder, Derrick Turnbow and Ben Sheets…I am a closet Brewers fan.
    David Wright, just an absolute super talent, great kid with a world of potential.
    Jose Reyes, changes the game when he is in the lineup.
    Chase Utley.

    Triskaidekaphobia August 9, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • Old-timers I liked a lot, because they had either class or style (or both) —
    * Lou Brock
    * Rollie Fingers
    * Rod Carew
    * Al Hrbosky (The Mad Hungarian)
    * El Tiante!

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 5:34 pm
  • P.S. Hate any player who has his own cologne. It’s both pretentious and undignified in a baseball player.

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 5:36 pm
  • I went to elementary school in San Diego with Rollie Finger’s kid. Kid was a total asshole.

    brooklyn SF August 9, 2007, 5:38 pm
  • Hudson: I’ve decided to bring in a few ringers, professional baseballers. We’ll give them token jobs at the plant and have them play on our softball team. Honus Wagner, Cap Anson, Mordecai “Three-Finger” Brown…
    Smithers: Uh, sir?
    Hudson: What is it, Smithers?
    Smithers: I’m afraid all of those players have retired and, uh… passed on. In fact, your right-fielder has been dead for a hundred and thirty years.

    LocklandSF August 9, 2007, 5:39 pm
  • Trisk:
    Didn’t Turnbow violate the steroid policy? Is that “playing the game right”? How can you like Turnbow and hate Papi, who in fact CAN play the field adequately, and who is a complete class act.

    SF August 9, 2007, 5:45 pm
  • “Jeff Conine” – bkolb, TOTALLY. He is THE Baltimore Oriole, in my mind. Man I just HATE this guy. If there was one non-Yankee in MLB that I could slug, it would be Jeff Conine. GRRRR.
    Though to the O’s credit, they did recently pass on Morgan Ensberg and Russel Branyan, who have both got useless Oriole prototype written all over them.
    SF, regarding nerve.com – ew.
    Another LOVE –
    Dwight M’f’n Evans. Loved the ‘stache.

    Tyrel SF August 9, 2007, 5:50 pm
  • Don’t get the Pedroia-hate…
    I’ll try to hit guys that have not gotten the love much.
    Like:
    Okajima – loved the hero in the dark line, coupled with his performance. He is a joy to watch pitch.
    Barry Larkin – I grew up in Cincy and he was awesome.
    Vernon Wells – makes CF look easy, and has a sense of humor (sit in the bleachers at Fenway and watch how he interacts with the hecklers).
    Wakefield – consummate team guy and is very generous.
    Don’t like:
    Jeter – he’s a great player overall, but the constant ballwashing he gets from announcers bugs me, as does the butt-stick-out maneuver on any pitch in the same zipcode as the inside corner.
    LaRussa – partially for his influence on bullpen construction/the use of OOGYs, although not using Pujols in the ASG raised it from a smolder to active dislike.
    Jay Payton – Manufacturing a hissy fit because the Sox didn’t trade him fast enough really endeared him to the fans…
    Wily Mo – I feel bad for this because it’s not so much personality based, but watching him K and muff flies is so awful.
    (also Pierzynski & Bonds)

    Froggywomp August 9, 2007, 5:54 pm
  • Oh, one more player I love(d):
    How could I forget one Bucky F. Dent! :)
    Re: Rose. I can’t bring myself to hate him. I pity the guy more than anything.

    nettles-yf August 9, 2007, 5:59 pm
  • SF, I never said Turnbow plays the game the right way, re-read that. I like his style, the way he throws, little fear, etc…I didn’t say I want to name my son after him, that’s already taken by the man with the cologne (they spell their names different).
    As for Ortiz, I suppose you can say Giambi is also adequate. I am not a homer on this issue, I just don’t like one dimensional players.

    Triskaidekaphobia August 9, 2007, 6:02 pm
  • > your right-fielder has been dead for a hundred and thirty years
    That was a GREAT pull. “Shave those sideburns, Mattingly!”

    attackgerbil August 9, 2007, 6:05 pm
  • Hudson, thanks for mentioning Lou Brock. Can’t believe I left him off my list.

    attackgerbil August 9, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • Too many posts, too little time, but I will say that anyone who hates Dustin Pedroia for being mad about an unintentional HBP must also hate Alex Rodriguez for the same reason.
    It’s a rule.
    Or something.

    Paul SF August 9, 2007, 6:26 pm
  • Ah yes, Trisk providing his hate about Manny reminds me of another reason I like him. The mantra of “Don’t look at my appearance, look at my performance” is very close to my heart, and so I appreciate him going out there dressed as he does. It’s obviously projecting one’s philosophy onto a symbol, me doing this with Manny, but that doesn’t stop the love. Also, he doesn’t let people’s perceptions of him get him down, seemingly (maybe because he doesn’t think very hard about it, admittedly).
    I wear a t-shirt and jeans every day (unless I can’t get away with it)…to work, at home, at social events. My hair is however it was when I woke up in the morning except pushed out of my face (relatively long, of course). Many people would say I am ruining the first impression I make on people, but I consider it almost a challenge to people to see if they can look past that. It’s netted me a good job and an excellent fiancee in my opinion.
    So yeah, sorry for going off on that tangent, but that’s another reason I love Manny. “Who cares how I look/what they think of me? I’m gonna hit this ball out!”

    Devine August 9, 2007, 6:44 pm
  • Old Timers I like:
    Bob Gibson
    Gil Hodges
    Casey Stengel
    Sandy Koufax
    Curt Flood- for having the courage to take a stand, thereby liberating baseball players from what amounted to indentured servitude
    Old Timers I hate:
    Darryl Strawberry
    Gary Carter
    Birdie Tebbets
    Walter O’Malley-if you ever lived in Brooklyn, I think you have to

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 6:44 pm
  • You know in most cases Devine I agree with you. I have a tattoo, I dress down a lot and I always have on a baseball hat, so by no means am I a stuffy guy. I guess now that you point it out my hatred for Manny goes deeper then the clothes. Maybe I just hate Manny and the appearance is just the cherry on top.
    Andrews, great call on Straw. Can’t stand him, made it so difficult on me when he was with the Yankees.
    One more, Keith Hernandez. As a kid I remember having the same dumb argument almost everyday with the Mets fans..Who’s the better 1st baseman? Remember in 86, there were a ton more Met fans then there were Yankee fans so I had this argument a lot. In addition to the dumb arguments now I have to hear that pompous jerk everytime I watch the Mets. (Yes I am a Yankee fan, but I watch the Mets too)

    Triskaidekaphobia August 9, 2007, 7:10 pm
  • That’s cool, Trisk. I should have mentioned that I wasn’t trying to take you or your reasons down a peg, just waxing poetic on Manny…you might have noticed I like to do that. :)
    Anyway, it’s cool you hate Manny, though I wonder how much of it is annoyance at when his ability displays itself when the Sox play the Yankees. I know that I think Jeter can look kind of arrogant and I hate his jerk backward on pitches sort of inside or forwards on pitches sort of away. But I ascribe most of this to the fact that when he comes up with a RISP, I basically consider that run as already on the board.

    Devine August 9, 2007, 7:22 pm
  • Trisk,’86 was my first year in NY, so I remember how we yf’s were the minority – I recall just showing up at the stadium and basically having my choice of seats. The mets’ playoff run that year was darn exciting,I must admit = I had never lived in a city with a team in contention before.

    Anonymous August 9, 2007, 7:27 pm
  • me

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 7:28 pm
  • Ray Knight. Hated the guy before he crossed the plate in ’86, game six, or hit the homer in game 7. He embodied the idea of “punk” to me, it seemed like he charged the mound five times that year over brushback pitches. The other guy on that team that annoyed the crap out of me was Wally Backman; I’m happy he’s turned out to be such an upstanding citizen.
    Most hated manager? John McNamara, the Ronald Reagan of baseball skippers. A true dolt.

    SF August 9, 2007, 7:29 pm
  • On the loved side: El Tiante, Pedro certainly inherited his position as a Fenway mound artist well.
    Also, I completely appreciate Craig Biggio, who those who don’t know better would call gritty or scrappy or some other moniker for a not-tall ballplayer.

    SF August 9, 2007, 7:31 pm
  • Oh god, this is fun.
    Currently Dustin Pedroia is on the top of my hate list. He just has the weaseliest look about him, and when he tried to grow facial hair, oh my god, I could barely look at him without being annoyed. He’s an angry little midget punk. I saw that game too, and my goodness, did he take the wrong page out of the Ortiz handbook. What. A. Freaking. Whiner. I will be so amazingly happy when he is out of baseball in 5 years.
    Other players I absolutely hate: Scott Erickson, AJ Pierzcinski, Jeff Weaver. All of these are obvious.
    I hate Bartolo Colon because of one of the most undeserved Cy Youngs of the past decade went to him over Rivera and/or Santana. What a douche, no one likes him.
    I hate Craig Hansen, because he had one of the most pathetically stupid expressions whenever he attempted to pitch a ball. It was almost intimidating, but because it was on TV and because of the results after he released the ball it was almost comically stupid. Almost. He is probably horrifically insecure. Good. I hate him.
    I also hate K-Rod. What a drama queen. Ooh! You struck out AAA noodle-arm outfielder Brandon Moss to end the game where you won by 2 runs! Let’s have 15 full seconds of fist-pumping and shouting and pointing at the sky! You da man! Shut up. I love beating K-Rod more than anything in the world. More than A-Rod hitting homeruns off of Schilling, more than Rivera striking out Ortiz, Manny and Lowell to end the game, more than Aaron…well, no. But 2 years ago, when the Yankees came from behind against Rodriguez, that was one of my favorite Yankee games. That moment filled me with more real joy than that game during the 5 GAME SWEEP where Jeter hit the jam shot off Papelbon to blow his save and send the Yankees on to win. K-Rod is such a douchebag, and I also can’t wait until he is out of baseball in 5 years.
    I used to hate Fausto Carmona for handing the Red Sox two wins on a silver platter last year, but because those two wins didn’t matter in the least in the long run, and that he’s doing so well this year, and because he got Dustin Pedroia to throw a pathetic midgety hissy fit, he’s currently a player I like. I won’t really mind if he shuts out the Yankees tomorrow, he has crazy groundball numbers and those, I think, at that crazy insane level, are just as important as strikeouts.
    I like Miguel Cabrera. Had him on my fantasy team since Carlos Delgado was the superior Carlos. He’s so darn consistent, and he’s just getting better every year. Sure, he’s horrific defensively and getting a bit big around the waist and DHing is probably in his future, but he is a joy to own. Always undervalued in fantasy drafts, too. Have him in a keeper league and he’s slugging .615. Monster, monster player.
    I like B.J. Upton for similar fantasy and keeper league reasons. Brian Roberts, too, but also because he looks like he’s such a nice guy. Just like Sean Casey before he fell off the table.
    Bernie used to be my favorite Yankee (after O’Neill retired, who proceeded Don Mattingly, of whom Wade Boggs must be his best friend because they played the corners and both had marvelous moustaches). Mattingly should really regrow that moustache. If it came down to Joe Girardi and Don Mattingly with a moustache as next manager of the Yankees, I’d take Donnie. But that’s the only way. Anyway, Cano became my favorite Yankee when he came up. It was fun that he wore his age (22), and it’s still fun now (24). Giambi’s going to have to give up his number so Cano can be 25 next year. I think he should do it. Don’t look at last year. Anyway, Cano just makes the game look so incredibly easy: his swing is beautiful and effortless at times, and defensively he is so smooth, and his arm is befitting of a third baseman, although he’s so good at second right now they’d never move him. He and Melky, the dynamic they have, is so fun to watch. He is just a fun, fun player on a fun team and I love that he is continues to develop into a truly elite hitter and is so much better than anyone ever expected him to be. Same with Melky, who is also wondrous defensively (although that may be partially perception with noodle-arms in center for so long), and so much better than a 4th outfielder. I really hope Chamberlain and Kennedy stick, because from what I hear they are best buds.
    Obviously I also love Rivera and Posada, and Matsui is one of the most unassuming players on the planet. Just a rock of pure unassumeability. Who hits homeruns like a mofo.
    In a vacuum, I like David Ortiz. Maybe not as a pure player, because he’s half of one, but just as a genial, smiling person who likes to hit the crap out of the ball all the time. Just one of the nice guys who you can’t have lasting negative feelings about. Except for when he complains about every single called strike against him, but hey, we all have our faults. I just wish every other Sox player didn’t think it was okay just because Papi does it. It’s not okay. It’s annoying. Please try to take it like a man and sit the hell down, you got beat. Deal with it. Especially you, Ver- Dustin. What a stupid name. Go away.

    AndrewYF August 9, 2007, 7:37 pm
  • Again, to repeat:
    Smug and Cocky (Cano) trumps hustling and earnest (Pedroia) for Yankees fans, every time. The YF hate for Pedroia tells a much bigger and revealing story.

    SF August 9, 2007, 7:47 pm
  • Wait your favorite Yankee was Paul O’Neill but you don’t like when Pedroia whines.

    NeffSox August 9, 2007, 7:50 pm
  • O’Neill always got angry about his own performance. He was his own worst critic. Why does no one get this?
    Pedroia had a hissy fit because he thought Carmona threw too close to him. What made it great is that Carmona then gave him his deserved chin music and that really set him off. He can’t take anything like a man. He WHINES to the umpire about every single pitch he doesn’t like. He’s taking the worst qualities of Manny and Ortiz into his personality. He also looks like a weasel. He also has one of the longest, most unattractive swings I’ve seen. It’s because he’s short. Just don’t like him. Not saying I don’t like earnesty, but I don’t see earnest in Pedroia. I see whiny, spoiled undeserved and definitely unearned arrogance. Sit down, rook.

    AndrewYF August 9, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • The list is too long if I include retired players so I’ll stick to an active list:
    Love-
    Mariano Rivera: A couple of years ago, working in Times Square, having a morning coffee around 9am and Mo walks by with his family. My friend and I can only blurt out “Yay Mo!” and he turns, smiles and waves.
    I also love the fact that everyone knows, has always known, what was coming, pretty much where it’s going to be, at every point in the count, and he still does it better than everyone else.
    Gary Sheffield: Besides how cool he looks when up at bat I think his “tell it like it is” insanity is AWESOME.
    Manny Ramirez: Cause you know he knows english and he still makes the media get their info thru a translator. That’s really really smart (no sarcasm intended).
    Carlos Zambrano:
    He can be infuriating when he blows his top and loses his mind and starts walking everyone but he’s big, intense, can hit better than alot of position players, and when he’s on he really is worth the billions of dollars he’ll be paid next year (market adjustment included).
    Ryan Zimmerman: Last year a friend told me a quote from him talking about fielding and some super fantastic play he had made during a game. Zimmerman (to paraphrase) said “Anyone can make great plays and everyone makes them when things fall the right way, I’m just worry about making the basic simple plays. If you can make all of those you’re really good.”
    Vladimir Guerrero: He’s younger than I am and walks around like an old dude. He’s the only player that can pull a pitch thrown to first base down the third base line.
    Hate:
    Schilling: Red Sock, politics, talking…
    Varitek: Still think his starting the A Rod fight was weak.

    Anonymous August 9, 2007, 8:07 pm
  • O’Neill always got angry about his own performance. He was his own worst critic. Why does no one get this?
    O’Neill may have been hard on himself, but there’s no way to convince me that every time he threw a hissy fit it was out of anger at his own performance. That’s BS. O’Neill was a tough-minded player who worked his ass off, admirable qualities, but he was also a whiny, petulant d*ckbag a lot of the time.

    SF August 9, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • My favorite of all time is probably Willie Randolph. I was playing 2B in little league when the late-70s Yanks were making noise and he was my favorite. Also liked Catfish Hunter, supposedly a great guy in his day. To be fair, my favorite Sox player is Yaz, the only Sox guy my Yankee loving grandfater would praise. My least favorite yankee was certainly Reggie, not least because of the candy bar, and public enemy #1 and #1a have been Pedro (though I could watch his games vs any OTHER team) and Manny (I just don’t get him).
    Outside the rivalry, I love watching Greg Maddux pitch, the man is an artist, and I always liked Glavine as well. And I never liked Albert Belle.
    Love this thread!

    Chris, a YF August 9, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • “O’Neill may have been hard on himself, but there’s no way to convince me that every time he threw a hissy fit it was out of anger at his own performance. That’s BS.”
    Oh, I wasn’t trying to say that. The thing is, he coupled his whiny ass with a true sense of the game. I don’t know if you could say he was humble, but he certainly was the first to point out any stupid things he did. Even if he had the game-winning homerun, he’d probably talk the most about the bad route he took to that one ball. He was also a really good hitter for a long time.
    Pedroia just makes me think of the standard high-school jock whose rich dad owns the team. He comes across as spoiled and petulant, like everything should go his way because he’s Dustin Pedroia, diminutive second baseman for the Red Sox. Maybe if he was really good for a long time like O’Neill it would be less annoying. But this is his first full year in the majors. He doesn’t show any kind of humility. Ugh. I don’t want to think about his weasely face anymore. At least he finally shaved his ugly-ass failed attempt at looking tough.

    AndrewYF August 9, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • Okay, so long as the YFs are hating on Pedroia, and to focus this on Yanks/Sox rivalry, I’m a-gonna up the ante and go through some of the Yankees who p!ssed me off the most over the years:
    * Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia, who beat up a freakin’ stadium employee. Thugs who permanently (though they’re no longer Yankees” disprove New York claims of “class.”
    * Knobloch. If you dislike Pedroia, what can one say about this spazz? My hate for him evaporated somewhat, though, after his mental block about, uh throwing the baseball to first base, destroyed his career and he became an object of derision/pity.
    * Sheff: What a power tool. Though he did our side a big favor during the ’04 series by taunting the Sox and motivating Boston to come back.
    * Giambi. Could the guy be any more of a poster boy for steroids? His red, bug-eyed inflamed face got wider and wider until he got nabbed.
    * Thurman Munson. Yeah, I know, speak no ill of the dead, I’ll catch hell for this. But he was at the center of the ugly Sox/Yanx brawling in the 70s, and I hated him at the time.
    * Reggie Jackson. What a flippin’ showboat. Has there ever been a Yankee more full of himself?
    * Billy Martin. ‘Nuff said. Even Steinbrenner couldn’t stand him.
    I did like Oscar Gamble, though.

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Here’s the thing that’s being stupidly misrepresented. In the game against the Indians with the Pedroia/Carmona situation, Pedroia had been hit by Carmona early in the game, then had a ball thrown right at his head a couple of innings later. He wasn’t pissed because Carmona “threw too close to him”, he was pissed because Carmona hit him once and then threw at his head in the following at-bat.
    After the complaints about Josh Towers throwing at A-Rod twice (despite A-Rod’s having pulled a bush league stunt) this crying about Pedroia’s “hissy fit” comes off as completely hypocritical and misguided.

    SF August 9, 2007, 9:29 pm
  • Talking about Paul O’Neill made me think of those great, one-sided trades. Roberto Kelly for Paul O’Neill was one of them. Wow, did Paulie’s career take off when he came to the Yankees. And poor Roberto Kelly, he never really was the same. I read a column saying that the acquisition of Paul O’Neill was the most important trade of the entire history of the Yankee franchise save the Babe Ruth purchase. I think he was trying to say that O’Neill was the center of the late-90s Yankee Dynasty. I think Bernie and Jeter and Rivera have a lot more to do with it, but it was still a pretty darn good trade. I’d love to read analyses by sportswriters back then.

    AndrewYF August 9, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • The difference, SF, was that Pedroia threw a royal fit the first time the ball got away from Carmona. You can’t honestly argue that was intentional, while you can’t honestly argue the ball from Towers WASN’T intentional. A-Rod didn’t do much the first time the Jays clearly intentionally threw at him. Might have something to do with his understanding that the Blue Jays are a sad, pathetic team that holds a grudge for way too long about being horrifically embarrassed, but he didn’t throw a fit. The second time, a game later, when it was clearly intentional and a SECOND ATTEMPT at hitting him, he took exception. And very rightfully so. I don’t really think that’s arguable at all. You’re ignoring the details when trying to compare the situations, and the details are the key.

    AndrewYF August 9, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • Hate Clemens for being put up on a pedestal when he’s just as much of a cheat as Barry Bonds.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF August 9, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • I don’t know how you can know the intent of Carmona. A HBP followed by an angry batter, then a headshot follows in the next at-bat for said batter. That seems like a good enough reason for a hitter of any uniform to be annoyed at the pitcher, whether there was intent or not. What player wouldn’t be annoyed by that situation? Would Pedroia have been justified in his anger if he was hit by a pitch, complained, then hit in the head (god forbid he hadn’t gotten out of the way of the second pitch)? Are his decent reflexes therefore compromising his chances of being liked by a legion of (pretty damn hypocritical) Yankee fans? I say this as someone who doesn’t have tremendous love or hate for Pedroia: I root for him of course, but he’s not my favorite or my least favorite, he’s just a member of the squad, and he’s a good player.
    I don’t know how you can know Carmona’s intent, just as I can’t either. But situationally, Pedroia being bagged on for being angry that he was hit by a pitch then had to dodge a headshot doesn’t really seem like a great reason to hate the kid, and if that’s the seminal moment that sums up the hate, I find that weak.

    SF August 9, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • Why would Carmona intentionally hit Pedroia the first time? What would be the point? The pitch clearly got away from him, just as Towers (and Litsch the game before) clearly threw at A-Rod. I mean, we’re assuming intent there, too. We assume intent in baseball all the time, based on evidence and common sense.
    Pedroia got royally pissed off because Carmona dared to let a pitch get away from him while he was facing the Great Dustin Pedroia. It was so annoying to watch, and fits right in with what I see from him whenever he strikes out looking. It’s a defining moment because the hissy fit was so ridiculously unwarranted. I don’t think I’ve seen much worse than that on a random HBP. It wasn’t even that bad, and I see Posada and Jeter and A-Rod get hit all the time. Except for the case where it’s clearly intentional (Towers), they don’t put on huge shows like Pedroia did there.
    He didn’t get a head-shot the second time, it was chin music. Carmona definitely didn’t throw at his head by any means, but he clearly threw NEAR him. No one deserves to be hurt in any way in baseball, but Pedroia deserved a warning shot that said in the Major Leagues, you take your base, rook. If it had hit Pedroia’s head, that would be horrible, but honestly Pedroia would have had to lean his head into the pitch for that to happen.

    AndrewYF August 9, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • Avid reader of the site, although I don’t post much. in regards to the pedroia-cano discussion. I agree with Andrew, I dont understand how Cano is “cocky” and pedroia is “hardworking and earnest.” Remember this quote from Pedroia in regards to the a-rod slide?
    …“He went in late and kind of threw an elbow,” Pedroia said. “It was a little cheap but no big deal. I’ll remember. I play second base. I’ve got to turn two with the Yankees 19 times a year, so I know now when he’s coming in, my (arm) slot gets dropped to the floor. That’s it…”When he returned to the field for the bottom of the ninth, he complained to second base umpire Joe West.
    “I went back out and I said, ‘Hey, you should look at that; it’s a double play if he does that,’ ” Pedroia said. “I haven’t played football in years. That was all right.”
    I guess its all opinion, but this, along with the actions discussed above, seems like a pretty cocky and whinny to me.

    johnny August 9, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • Have we really gone this far with no mention of the slap? Hate A-hole.
    Dustin is a little weasely. There’s a pizza dude in my neighborhood who looks just like him, and he’s just annoying. Hard to hate annoying players when they’re good and on your team. Must be why normal people here love Jeter. Hate his charmed ass.
    Like Torre, Tito more.
    Fear(ed) and respect Mo.
    Miss O-Cab.
    Pedro rules, always.

    soxfanbkln August 9, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Like:
    Tim Wakefield – despite his inconsistency, there’s something incredibly impressive about being essentially the only great knuckleballer in the game. And he’ll still be pitching when I’m 40.
    Gary Sheffield – I really was hoping he’d come to the Sox last off season. (Anyone here happier with Drew?) Just don’t listen to him, and watch him hit.
    Pedroia, Youkilis, Lowell, Pedro, Vlad, Peavy and Santana are up there too.
    Hate:
    Joe Morgan (as an announcer). he’s just horrible. He makes a great game bad, and a bad game worse.
    Schilling – stop blogging, start pitching well. No one wants to read another 2,000 word post on how you just didn’t have it today.

    Max August 9, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Andrew, why does your list of likes include so much hate? Counseling, dude. If one incident by Dustin Pedroia is enough to add him to your hate list, where’s A-Rod, Cano, Clemens, Towers, et al.?
    Likes:
    David Wells. His career’s probably over, but he was pretty good despite being incredibly unhealthy for so long. I really just like the fact that he’s a continuing pain in Bud Selig’s ass.
    Pedro Martinez. Not only was 1997-2003 a once-in-a-lifetime gift from the baseball gods, but he was one zany mofo. Certainly the only Hall of Famer to be duct taped to the dugout pole.
    Tim Wakefield. My previous post on him sums that up. He’s one of those great statistical anomalies, and he’s another one of those once-in-a-generation guys.
    Pedroia. He’s what everyone thinks David Eckstein is: A very good player who plays hard, and has clearly had to prove himself at every single level because he was thought of as too short/too contact-oriented to succeed. Also, I love players who reward my faith in them.
    Mo Vaughn. He was one of just a couple players to sign my baseball cards that I sent through the mail, plus he was David Ortiz before Ortiz perfected the job. The strip club and DWI scandals were just noise to this kid, who spent hours imitating that uppercut swing from the right side.
    Craig Biggio. One of those guys who annoyingly gets credit for the way he plays the game. The thing is, it’s actually true.
    Hate:
    Derek Jeter. I don’t know what’s worse: The hand in the face of the umpire until he’s good and ready to bat? The sycophantic way YFs grovel over everything he does, even when what he does is not as good as most other shortstops in the league? The fact that he was the worst of the Big Three shortstops, yet managed to last longer than any of them, even forcing the best of them to change positions? It’s in there somewhere.
    David Eckstein. We all know why.
    Edgar Renteria. Wait, so you can’t handle playing in a high-pressure city, play career-worst defense at a position where your immediate predecessor and immediate successor excelled, and it’s the FIELD’S fault? Go to hell.
    Barry Bonds. There is no doubt he took steroids. There is little doubt he took steroids knowingly. Then he has the nerve to lecture the press for asking about it and describing such questions as “negative.” I watch sports to get away from the jerks like him I deal with in my job, not have their success rubbed in my face.
    Great idea for a post, Nick! A lot of fun to think about…

    Paul SF August 9, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • SF, care to expound on your reasons for calling Cano “smug and cocky”?
    Is this mere projection, or are you merely annoyed by his confidence?
    IMO he doesn’t come across as “smug and cocky” at all.

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • PAUL O’NEILL
    The ultimate drama queen arguing balls and strikes.

    JoeT August 9, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • “Pedro rules, always.”
    Last night’s rehab start notwithstanding?

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • K-ROD
    What a clown when he gets a save or big strikeout. Just once, I’d love to see him have to take an at-bat and then get drilled.

    JoeT August 9, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • this has been such a fun thread to read, and I’m proud I started it! Thanks for the responses. What I’ve learned:
    Yanks fans and Sox fans do not see eye-to-eye on Pedroia!
    Keep the lists coming…

    Nick-YF August 9, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • DAVID ORTIZ
    The ultimate drama queen arguing balls and strikes

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Sox Players I like:
    Tim Wakefield
    Mike Lowell
    Mike Timlin
    Manny Ramirez

    Andrews August 9, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Rehab starts mean nothing, especially with a personality like Pedro’s. He’s only going out there to try stuff out, and his comments showed that he was just experimenting to see how his various pitches felt after 12 months out of the game. The result means nothing to his record, all that matters is that he slowly get back up to full strength/stuff.

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • What a great site. I’m glad I found it. I find you all to be great at debating baseball without all the trashing and anger I see on other sites. Looks like a great forum to visit.
    As for my likes and dislikes,,,
    Like,,
    Jeter, the man is Baseball personified. He brings more dignity and professionalism to the game than any other I can think of in contemporary baseball than any other except maybe Cal Ripken.
    David Ortiz, I would love to meet this guy as I heard he’s one of the best to talk to. This guy scares the crap out of me every time he bats against us, but he’s a class act in or out of the game.
    Shelly Duncan. Hey, the guy came in like a train, what can I say?
    Jorje Posada, this guy plays the game staighter than any player I have seen in years. He’s clean and is one of the best leaders I’ve seen in baseball. Always puts everything he can into it.
    Mo, what can I say that others haven’t? Hall of Famer :)
    Dislikes,,,
    Farnsworth, I think his call should have been professional hunting guide.
    Josh Towers, no explanation neeeded.
    Schilling. This guy keeps screaming against the media, yet get him close to a microphone, he go’s on for hours. Besides, he sucks, he’s old, he’s fat, and he’s a blowhard. Nuff said.
    Justin Pedroia, he does look like a weasel like I’ve beeen telling my girlfriend,(she’s a sox fan). But I won’t say he’s a great hitter with a future
    Manny being Manny. Don’t you guys get tired of that? Give mea break.

    Marc YF August 9, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Please allow me to add Curt Schilling and Frank Rodriguez to my Dislike list. Curt Schilling thinks he’s still got it going on. He seems like the kind of guy who might argue incessantly and irrationally with his kids.
    As for Frank Rodriguez, the dude is a spaz. The way he lunges and lurches as he’s throwing the ball. I sort of find myself wishing he’d go on the 60-day DL or pull a Liriano. I’ve read his lips after he closes games out and I promise you he’s cursing out G-d or whatever deity he believes in. Awful.
    He was without question that kid in high school nobody liked so he devoted himself to throwing as hard as he can.
    Atheose, that Dean Palmer bit was hilarious.

    Jose August 9, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • >>>Jeter, the man is Baseball personified.
    If “baseball personified” means hawking a male perfume that smells like “a blend of crushed leaves, black pepper, chilled grapefruit, rhubarb, lavender, spearmint, bamboo, driftwood and oak moss,” then I guess you must be right.
    http://www.thepinkseats.com/dollars_and_scents

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • Hudson, I gues I was wrong about this sites lack of idiots, lol.

    Marc YF August 9, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • Pedroia must have gotten a really clutch hit against New York for YFs to hate him so much; he’s only been around a few months.
    So come clean, YFs, when was it? I don’t remember.

    Anonymous August 9, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • (Sorry, Marc, I didn’t mean to insult your favorite fragrance.)

    Hudson August 9, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Like
    Youk,Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, Cano, Grady Sizemore, Kazmir
    Hate
    JD Drew,KRod, ARod, G Matthews Jr.

    John August 9, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • That’s ok Hudson, I didn’t mean to insult your ignorance of the game. I really thought that was what we were talking about here. :)

    Marc YF August 9, 2007, 11:46 pm
  • You can add Rick Ankiel to my list of Likes.
    And where’s the hate for Shea Hillenbrand? We can agree on that, yes?

    bkolb August 10, 2007, 12:19 am
  • i know i’ve posted it before, but this thread is too fitting….
    http://www.torontobaseballguys.com/jeter.html

    sf rod August 10, 2007, 12:51 am
  • note to rod: you’re wearing out the jeter-hater link…like i said last time about 5% of it is funny, the rest is lame…
    favorite players: yankees [with a few exceptions]
    least favorite players: non-yankees [with a few exceptions]
    hated players: i hate no one…my mom and dad brought me up right
    nice to see that the thread deteriorated to the norm as the discussion wore on…i don’t think anyone actually hates pedroia sox fans, so relax, i just think he’s over-rated, especially after such a short period of time…it’s ironic, especially when certain yankees have performed at a high level for a longer period of time, yet are branded with “over-rated” by the same sox fans…then of course we have sf insulting someone and their perceptions of an incident involving a sox player…tsk, tsk…yf’s are hard-headed, so they need to be reminded that “the sox are always right and do no wrong, and the yanks are always wrong and do no right”, do da, do da
    final note: you guys need to lay off bonds…get over it…he is the new home run champ, and from what has been reported, he has not tested positive for a banned substance, nor has he doctored a pitch, got caught corking his bat, or yelled “ha” at the opposing 3rd baseman…either that or we need to start giving equal hate to every player who has a whiff of suspicion [$10 bucks says someone will chide me about “whiff” being an understatement] about some form of substance use/abuse in their past or present [live in a glass house?]…nope, until someone provides the evidence that gets the alleged wrong-doers banned from baseball, and disqualified from the hall of fame, proclamations like paul’s sound unfair [not picking on you buddy, you’re just the latest to pop off about it]…

    dc August 10, 2007, 2:19 am
  • Hillenbrand: Good call, bkolb. He defines the term “clubhouse cancer.”
    (And Marc: Anyone who can’t come up with a more original reason to hate one of the best hitters of our lifetimes than “Manny being Manny” has no business accusing anyone else of ignorance of the game. Just another media victim, I guess, with nothing else to say but what you hear on TV… Few have been as consistent and productive as Manny Ramirez has been over so many years.)

    Anonymous August 10, 2007, 2:37 am
  • (That was me. Typepad should institute a simple feature that prevents posts without a name from going through.)

    Hudson August 10, 2007, 2:37 am
  • Hate/Like is something of a visceral thing to me. It’s not just about how someone plays, or the elegance of their swing, or if they’ve put up records. It could be because of off-the-field stuff, or on-the-field stuff. As such, I will pretty much accept that people hate Dustin Pedroia because they find him whiney (I used to like Danny Ainge when he was a Celtic player, but in retrospect now understand why everyone on earth hated him with a passion), and I’ll also accept that someone doesn’t like a player because he has icky facial hair. Cheating is bad, that’s for sure, but not liking someone because they might have cheated opens you up to major inconsistencies and potential moral dilemmas down the road. Still, it’s certainly a good reason to not like someone. But disliking a guy because he’s annoyed at being thrown at twice in two at-bats by a pitcher exhibiting impeccable control and who ends up with a 1-0 shutout victory? Or because a guy elbowed him in the nads out of the baseline and he had the gumption to say something about it? That seems over the top to me, and, like the cheating thing, it opens one up to major inconsistency. If Andrews had left his hate for Pedroia at “I hate his teeth” I actually would have been less inclined to join this debate!
    As for Cano, this is purely visceral. He’s clearly a fantastic ballplayer, but even when he first came up it seemed he carried himself with the grandeur of an all-time great. I hate how he chews his gum, frankly. It’s not necessarily rational, but I find him to be intolerably cocky out on the field.
    One other hate: curtain calls, at just about any stadium. Call me a curmudgeon, I have no need to be acknowledged by a player following an in-game event. Give me a victory parade, that’s all I need.

    SF August 10, 2007, 6:13 am
  • dispatch to dc: while 5% are funny, 80% are dead on. sorry i had the audacity to reference it twice.

    sf rod August 10, 2007, 6:53 am
  • no problem rod…i’m just saying you wore out the joke…[something i’ll admit being guilty of from time to time]…and your math is wrong, the 5% that were funny were so because they were dead on…the rest were clearly filler to get to 100…

    dc August 10, 2007, 8:24 am
  • Hudson, Manny being Manny speaks volumes without anyone having to explain it. I admit he’s a great player and has had an exceptional career. But he’s anything but consistant due to his moods. I find your claim against me very lacking as you cite your hatred for a future hall of famer soley because he endorses a cologne, lol.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 9:40 am
  • “But he’s anything but consistant”
    Since joining the Sox
    ’01 OPS+ 162
    ’02 OPS+ 190
    ’03 OPS+ 160
    ’04 OPS+ 152
    ’05 OPS+ 156
    ’06 OPS+ 168
    ’07 OPS+ 133

    NeffSox August 10, 2007, 9:55 am
  • Marc, your dislike for Manny is just as superficial and irrational as any Red Sox fan’s dislike for Jeter. I think this is part of the reason for Nick’s original post. All of us have totally absurd dislikes for certain players and that’s part of the fun.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 10:04 am
  • I agree with you Lockand. I was merely stating my reasons for my likes and dislikes when my opinions were attacked in a very irrational way. But you also misread me. My dislike is not personal for Manny, it’s for his behavior. I never hold a team against a player.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 10:13 am
  • Not cologne. PERFUME. There’s a difference.
    Oh, and he gave Jessica Alba herpes. That’s like smudging the Mona Lisa. http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/08/09/did-derek-jeter-give-jessica-alba-herpes/

    Atheose August 10, 2007, 10:30 am
  • I love Pedroia and he will be the Sox 2nd baseman for a long time. I can see how Yankees fans dislike him, but he’s a hell of a player. Consider this, he’s never struck out 50 times in a season at any level, that bodes well for him being a consistent contact hitter for a while. His swing kinda reminds me of Nomar with the way he can hit pretty much any fastball and just hacks as hard as he can, but rarely swings and misses. And he provides solid and sometimes spectacular defense and he’s a hard worker who is liked by his teammates. And he’s also proof that short people can play baseball, unlike Eckstein whose only skill is sticking out his elbow to get hit by a pitch.

    Anonymous August 10, 2007, 10:30 am
  • The one thing I love about Pedroia is that he never backhands a ground ball. He always busts his ass to get in front of it. Now THAT’S fundamental baseball that you rarely see anymore on the professional level.

    Atheose August 10, 2007, 10:35 am
  • Manny’s behavior?
    So then I assume you dislike Arod for the same reasons?
    Jeter for overreacting to every pitch that even comes close to the inside corner?
    Giambi for his cheating?
    My point is not that you should dislike these players, they play for your team, it’s that we are all hypocrites when it comes to players on our own team as opposed to players on the other team.
    For example…
    Cano:
    R FAN: Cocky and smug
    Y FAN: Confident
    Dustin:
    R FAN: Emotional, highly competitive
    Y FAN: Whining, complaining rook
    This is part of fandom, but to pretend it’s not irrational or hypocritical is just intellectually dishonest.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 10:36 am
  • Excuse me. Is this a closed club? I believe you’ve lost sight of the original intent of this thread.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 10:41 am
  • Even if I were to agree that Pedroia is whiny sometimes, no one can say that he’s not the hardest working 2nd baseman in baseball. Like I said above, he ALWAYS runs his hardest to get in front of a baseball rather than backhanding it, which I haven’t seen in years.
    Can anyone think of another player that does this so consistently?

    Atheose August 10, 2007, 10:42 am
  • What do you mean by closed club?
    I’m sure Nick can correct me, but I think have an excellent handle on the original intent of this thread. Which is to say, it wasn’t intended for people to argue about their likes and dislikes, because that’s pointless.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 10:44 am
  • Indeed. My opinions were stated and then attacked. I merely responded.
    Oh, Driven is a cologne.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 10:47 am
  • Well, Hudson was clearly joking around and then you attacked him by saying he was ignorant of the game.
    You put out your own man-fume, you’re opening your self up to jokes, there’s no two ways about it. I can only imagine how bad he got it inside the Yankee club house.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 10:50 am
  • He was joking and I was attacking. Indeed, lol.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 10:56 am
  • He made a joke about Jeter’s cologne.
    In response you called him ignorant of the game.
    Seriously, you don’t think your comment was more of an attack?
    You’re delusional.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 11:00 am
  • Lockland, you have taken this to the irrational. If there is an argument here, it should have been between Hudson and I. I do assume you have a point to all this.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 11:05 am
  • I made my point, then you said you were attacked, which you clearly weren’t, so I called you out.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 11:07 am
  • My statements were attacked. So much for the irrational dude.

    Marc YF August 10, 2007, 11:11 am
  • “Manfume” – ha, that’s perfect.

    SF August 10, 2007, 11:32 am
  • Ladies, do we really need to keep arguing over who attacked who? This is silly.
    Here’s a change of subject: Bonds says he’s eyeing 800 homers now. Anyone think he can do that by the end of 2008? Discuss!

    Atheose August 10, 2007, 11:41 am
  • Count me as yet another fan of the site who hasn’t posted before. Love reading the game threads, seeing other fans go through all the emotions.
    Anyway, some likes:
    Guys like Lou Merloni: Most probably don’t remember guys like this unless you were a fan of the team (Sox in this case). I’m sure there are a couple thousand like him who were just utility guys plugging holes, but hometown heros with “put me in coach, I am ready to play” attitudes.
    Jeter: I must be the only Sox fan to like him (when he isn’t playing the Sox). I don’t see the better than thou attitude that people seem to attribute to him up here. I see a guy who plays to his potential just about every day, and tries to lift up his team any time he can. Really what more can you ask for from a human being? Is he an All Star? I’d say ARod was a better shortstop before coming to NY, and I thought Jeter should have moved to third or second instead. I think he is better than Sox fans give him credit for and a little worse than Yanks fans give him credit for.
    DiceK: Eager, competitive, fun-loving… I hope he learns English quickly, because he looks like he’d be a fun guy to talk/listen to. Its been painful to see him so animated and smiling, and his translator just drone on like a robot.
    Ozzie Smith: Man was just fun to watch. Whenever I had a chance to see him play on TV, I was never disappointed. A true wizard at SS, and an awesome guy in general. Omar Vizquel showed some of his brilliance and poise, but still pales in comparison.
    Papi: Dude is just lovable. I think you get the feeling 90% of the guys playing like him, except the pitchers.
    And guys I hate:
    Wil Cordero: Wife beaters deserve to be beaten to a pulp with baseball bats. Especially ones with pregnant wives. Scum of the lowest kind.
    Curt Shilling: You know what I’d love to see, him and Dan Shaughnessy put in a room to just say stupid $h!t to each other for months on end. Just punishment for both of those morons. Curt wouldn’t bother me so much if he would just shut up and pitch. Hopefully he can still do the latter.
    Wade Boggs and Shea Hillenbrand: Baseball is a team sport. You don’t like it, go play tennis or Basketball.
    Carl Everett: You know those moments you just cringe at watching, like during there is something about mary’s zipper shot. I had one of those with Carl Everett’s batter’s box incident. Ugh. I know most baseball players are the emotional age of high schoolers playing with millions of dollars, but you need to reign it in sometimes. Guy belonged in a mental institution.
    Keith Hernandez: See Schilling, Curt.
    Sorry I was so long-winded!

    rowley August 10, 2007, 12:11 pm
  • Welcome, rowley, good to have you around! Post some more in the future.
    Your idea about Schilling and CHB could be turned into a reality series. I suggest a Big Brother format (could please someone explain why this show is watched?) where we could track them for three months straight. The amazing thing is that no punches would be thrown, there would be a noticeable lack of going to the bathroom-just two guys sitting across from each other yammering away.

    Nick -YF August 10, 2007, 12:16 pm
  • “Wade Boggs and Shea Hillenbrand: Baseball is a team sport. You don’t like it, go play tennis or Basketball.”
    HAHAHA!!! So true.

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 12:33 pm
  • The best thing about that Schilling/CHB reality series is that by the end of the first week they would just both talk at the same time, on and on, dinner would be served they would take no break, showering, no break at all; and then for the 2 hours every night it would get quiet while the two blogged and surfed the web, ending with them reading what they both wrote, out loud to one another–at the same time.
    Sadly, Robert Altman has passed on making with the film version less tenable…of course you could make a more overwrought version with PT Anderson.

    walein August 10, 2007, 1:49 pm
  • In this thread: a lot of guys catching feelings
    I still haven’t read any further explanation on Cano’s “cockiness”.

    Doug August 10, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • Likes:
    Tanyon Sturtze. He came to the Yankees with a 34-41 record. He only improved as far as mediocre, BUT… while Pedro was manhandling a 90-year old bench coach, Grand Tanyon was grappling with “bodybuilder” Gabe Kapler. And Sturtze was the starting pitcher in that very game! I’ll always appreciate the guts he showed.
    Torii Hunter. Is there any baseball fan who wouldn’t want this guy on their fave team? And it’s so much fun to watch/hear his interviews, he seems a genuinely good guy.
    Jim Thome. This guy is a throwback. A nice guy. Drinks beer at his locker and claims to never lifts weights.
    Hates:
    Schilling. Quit trolling the freaking message boards, you tool.
    John McDonald. A player yelled “Ha!” or “I got it!” and made you miss a pop-up? Grow up. Ty Cobb used to fire a .22 pistol at infielders as he rounded the bases.
    Crash Davis. What a smug, self-righteous bastard.
    Also, why is it that all the players who PLAY the game the way it should be played (Rollins, etc) do so quietly, while all the players who SAY they play the game the way it should be played (Beckett, LoDuca, Schilling, etc.) seem to deserve an ass-raping?

    Tommy Himself August 10, 2007, 2:57 pm
  • /I still haven’t read any further explanation on Cano’s “cockiness”./
    His first year in the bigs and he would pump his fist after every home run, just like Jeter.
    That alone did it for me.

    Anonymous August 10, 2007, 3:05 pm
  • Can’t speak for LoDuca, but I can’t say I’ve ever heard Beckett and Schilling claiming to play the game the way it should be played… My memory might just be off though…

    Paul SF August 10, 2007, 3:38 pm
  • I remember Beckett attacking both Hillendbrand and Ryan Howard for not playing the game the right way at various points last year. I’ll just assume Schilling has said a similar phrase (actually, his bush-league comments about A-Rod pretty much meant that phrase) because he has said everything in the last 15 years.

    Nick-YF August 10, 2007, 3:41 pm
  • ” If Andrews had left his hate for Pedroia at “I hate his teeth”
    SF, I never said I hated Pedroia. I don’t, for the record…

    Andrews August 10, 2007, 3:46 pm
  • Man, I have heard some pretty messed up Ty Cobb stories, but shooting a gun at infielders while he rounded the bases? That’s a new one to me. Is this for real? Any good linkage?

    LocklandSF August 10, 2007, 3:53 pm
  • What did Beckett say about Ryan Howard? I don’t remember that at all.
    And as for Hillenbrand… nobody likes him. I hope Beckett gave him a good what-for.

    Atheose August 10, 2007, 4:30 pm
  • There was the whole deal where Beckett got mad at Howard for watcuhing his home run during a spring training game… But I’m not sure he ever said anything about playing the game right.

    Paul SF August 10, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • Dustin’s better….

    Dustin's better August 10, 2007, 4:38 pm
  • Ahh, here it is. My bad:
    “I’m about respecting the game. Even if it is a home run, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do.” –Beckett, after jawing at Ryan Howard for admiring a long fly-ball out to center field.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260326122

    Paul SF August 10, 2007, 4:39 pm
  • Well my definition of “respecting the game” extends solely to the baseball field. I don’t care what somebody does or says off the field (unless it involves sticking a syringe in your ass), I judge them only by their actions between the 1st and last innings.
    Beckett may cuss and get angry during post-game interviews, but I have never seen him disrespect the game while on the mound.

    Atheose August 10, 2007, 4:45 pm
  • Like list –
    Mariano Rivera- simply the best closer ever. the person most responsible for the yankees 4 WS wins.
    Paul O’Neil- huge stones and played his guts out every day.
    Aaron Rowand- not the most talented guy but busts his ass out there
    Derek Jeter- I was at the game when he dove into the stands- one of the toughest to ever play.
    Don Mattingly – another guy who played the game the right way.
    Hate list –
    Baroid Bonds- disrespectful lying cheater and a disgrace
    Pedro – headhunting little scrawny bitch
    Carla pavano- biggest puss to ever play the game.
    Kevin Brown – worst Yankee ever and he just looks pissed off all the time. seriously has the man ever smiled in his life ? if i ever see kevin brown i am gonna kick his ass.
    kyle farnsworth – no explanation needed
    dustin pedroia – the annoying little guy

    David August 10, 2007, 5:34 pm
  • Like List:
    *A-Rod* : Many people dump on him, but to be fair, he’s the greatest player I’ve ever seen, and while maybe a bit shallow, I love the guy’s work ethic and everything that he does on the field.
    *Manny* : At time, he really pisses me off, but A-Rod’s explanation could very well be held true for Manny as well.
    *The Big Hurt* : I can’t explain it, but he was one of my first baseball cards, and some of his homeruns are just freaking crazy.
    *Pedro Martinez* : I don’t really have to explain this one.
    *1986- 1991 Roger Clemens* : Again, no explanation needed.
    *Jorge Posada* : I know that he’s not on a lot of people’s list, but I saw an article about all the stuff that his family has been through, and despite the fact that he plays for the Yankees, the simple truth of the matter is that the guy has so much bigger fish to fry than baseball, and he still performs on the regular despite it. Man, that’s a long sentence.
    *Josh Beckett* : My man crush on Beckett runs deep. It’s no secret around here that it’s borderline stalker-ish. hahahah. It all started one cool Autumn night in New York…
    Dislikes:
    *Paul O’Niel* : It’s a toss up to which player I hate more: Paulie or Eric Byrnes. I’m going to go ahead and give the nod to the “gutsy” guy who once kicked a ball back to the infield, and then got praise for it.
    *Eric Byrnes* : I hate guys that get terrible jumps on balls, end up diving all over the field on plays that a good outfielder makes easily – and then gets credit for it. Also, pushing the catcher (any catcher for that matter) long after the play is over is a bad PR move.
    *Don Mattingly* : If ever a guy rides the wave of three or four good years, he’s my candidate. He’s nowhere near the HOF, but we still hear the crazies crying for him every year. A good player, but not really deserving of the accolades YF’s think he should.
    *Tom Brady* : please see the Mattingly explanation. I know he’s not a baseball player, but holy cow, e-fuckingnuff already. I hate the “count the ringzzz” people that try to compare him to Peyton. It’s just silly.
    *K-Rod* : His glasses are stupid, and every time he pumps his fist to the sky, and rips of Pedro’s finishing move, I want to jump through the TV and cave his head in. Oh, and he has the worst delivery ever.
    *Jose Canseco, Jason Giambi, Sammy Sosa, et al* : Self explanatory.
    *The Wanger* : This one pretty easy too. There is absolutely no reason this guy should be as good as he is. He hides from the reality of the situation behind a curtain of luck that no other guy I’ve ever seen gets. Plus, saying this really bunches up Nick’s boxers. ha.
    Really, I could make this list insanely long. The Paulie thing is a personal thing from a game in TB where he was nothing short of a six foot dick to me and my little cousin, but whatever. He’s a worse commentator than he was a player.

    Brad August 10, 2007, 6:02 pm
  • LIKE: joba chamberlain, dellin betances, phil hughes, grady sizemore, alex rios, joe mauer, erik bedard, daisuke matsuzaka, cano and melky.
    HATE: manny ramirez and his ADHD, PEDROIA’S SMUGNESS and not cano’s (he’s from the countryside in the dominican, how can he be smug?) barry freakin’ bonds, canseco,

    YanksChik August 11, 2007, 4:46 am
  • This is to the people who HATE Jose Canseco…..He played in a LADIES only poker tournament last weekend at the Commerce Casino…..You can read more and see a photo at http://www.pokerpadz.blogspot.com because it’s priceless……

    KC September 19, 2007, 9:17 pm

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