Reaping What He Sowers: Sox-Tribe Gamer III

A Tale of Two Rookies, Last 2 Starts:

  • Jeremy Sowers: 2-0, 18 IP, 9 H, 0 R, 7 K, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA
  • Jon Lester: 0-1, 11.1 IP, 18 H, 10 ER, 6 K, 1 BB, 7.94 ERA

Sowers is coming off two straight shutouts. Lester has been rocked in two straight outings. We’ve been pretty pessimistic about the Red Sox lately, so let’s look at this half-full glass: Sowers was far from perfect in his first four starts, giving up at least four earned run three times. Lester, meanwhile, did not pitch so poorly in any of his previous eight starts. So they’re both due for a reversion to form, and the Sox are due for a much-needed lift as the final two months stretch before us. Tonight’s the night we start back on the winning track, injuries and all.

As always, comment away!

199 comments… add one
  • Lester was only rocked in his last start because he was left out there late in the game after he clearly should have been on the bench. It’s not a pitcher’s job to pull himself, it’s the manager’s. Lester was fine on Friday. In fact, he was damn good. Tito bears the blame for Lester’s explosion, as far as I am concerned. Unfair to pin it on the rookie.

    SF August 2, 2006, 6:26 pm
  • Youkilis, 1B
    Loretta, 2B
    Ortiz, DH
    Ramirez, LF
    Lowell, 3B
    Pena, RF
    Crisp, CF
    Mirabelli, C
    Gonzalez, SS
    Really, this isn’t a bad lineup. The Sox have very good bats 1 through 7, and, in the middle of the game, 9 through 7.
    I still think Pena should be protecting Manny though. But maybe Tito’s waiting for a few more ridiculous blasts like the one he had a couple nights ago to propelr ystrike fear into the hearts of opposing pitchers…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 6:29 pm
  • Ohh yeah, SF, forgot about that one: Two on, none out in the 7th — let’s wait just one more batter.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 6:30 pm
  • I have, do and will continue to have a problem with Lowell in the 5-hole.
    The Dominican Connection of Papi-Manny-WMP would be enough to make most pitchers curl up in the fetal position in the clubhouse.
    Also, I’m thinking it’s time to slot Coco back in the 1 spot. Youk’s been striking out a TON recently, and with Dougie and AGon chillin down at the bottom, we could use a little pop in the bottom third.
    Just my $.02.

    Mayday Malone August 2, 2006, 6:35 pm
  • I wonder how well all those good bats will do…
    1. Against a lefty
    2. who they’ve never seen before.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 6:36 pm
  • Sizemore with a leadoff triple.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 7:07 pm
  • Great start. I have a feeling August is really gonna suck.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:08 pm
  • good news for Yanks fans, bad news in my fantasy league. Triples is a category and my main competitor is creeping up on me after that one.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 7:08 pm
  • by the way, Grady Sizemore is my MVP pick for 2008.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 7:10 pm
  • This could either get ugly insanely fast, or Lester could do his patented Houdini thing and keep the Sox in the game. I will not bet.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:10 pm
  • We need a K and a double play. I am so smart for pointing that out.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:11 pm
  • “Great start. I have a feeling August is really gonna suck.”
    Eeyore called. He wants his pessimism back.

    Mayday Malone August 2, 2006, 7:11 pm
  • If I were Wedge, I’d send the guy at first.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:12 pm
  • You gotta love the Eeyore reference

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 7:12 pm
  • Just telling you how I feel right now, Mayday. Honesty. I can’t sugarcoat right now. Too many bad things going on with the Sox’ roster, positionally and pitcher-wise.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:13 pm
  • Nice grab by Manny there.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 7:13 pm
  • And look, I hope I am totally wrong and that everyone calls me on it. I just don’t like the way the team is playing or the direction they are going.
    Meanwhile, a sac fly scores a run and then Michaels gets picked off, so Lester is acting all Harry on us, as I hoped for.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:14 pm
  • The Indians better have a heck of an offseason acquiring pitching or developing pitchers for Sizemore to have a shot at MVP, Nick. He appears to be a great ballplayer, for sure, but the staff is really suspect, and I don’t see them doing much better with the rotation as is. That will hurt him if I am right – nobody votes for MVPs for third place AL Central teams.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:17 pm
  • And then a dinger. God this pitching is just terrible lately. So unfun to watch, when your team has multi-run holes to dig out of every frigging night.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:18 pm
  • Blake with a wallball single. Horrid pitching from Lester so far.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:20 pm
  • Great start…get done feeding kids to come and see we are already losing.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:22 pm
  • Already thrown 30 pitches. Not looking good for a long start. We may want to have apitcher throw a real good complete game one of these nights to save the pen some work.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:23 pm
  • Blake steals second, then Peralta knocks him in with a single to right.
    I am outta here – I can’t blog dreck like this. It’s like spending time writing Cliff Notes on a Dan Brown book.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:24 pm
  • Buck up there Champ! Season ain’t over yet!
    .::ball sails out of park::.
    Ummm…never mind that- we’ll get ’em in the bottom of the inning
    .::ball clangs 36′-9″ up the Monster::.
    Crap. Ahh, baseball- game of inches, eh?
    .::frozen rope to left field::.

    .::loads shotgun::.

    Mayday Malone August 2, 2006, 7:25 pm
  • It’s solo time.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:25 pm
  • YF and I are supposed to go to the Aug 20/21 games at Fenway. Over/under on games Sox are behind by that point if they keep this up? I say 6 or 7 games.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:26 pm
  • Luna pops out. Wow, inning over with damage of down 3-0.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:27 pm
  • “It’s like spending time writing Cliff Notes on a Dan Brown book.”
    somehow I’m working that into an angry rant when I’m teaching 4th graders. I don’t know how but it’ll be included in a lecture on misbehavior.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 7:27 pm
  • Not to worry…I am putting together a plan to ensure we are not that far behind. It is going to involve a voodoo doll and Serrano from “major league”

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:27 pm
  • Youk grounds out to short. This guy has not been setting the plate lately.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:29 pm
  • Wily Mo for Leadoff!

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:30 pm
  • If Tek is out for a sustained period of time I would expect us to be down by no more than 5 games.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:30 pm
  • OK, so I haven’t left yet. But I am not far from bolting. Come on, Sox, keep me in this.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:31 pm
  • Wow, take 15 minutes to drive home from work, and this is what happens? Uglester…
    The Sox followed up 12 wins in a row with one of the most dazzlingly mediocre runs I can remember… It reminds me of the 2004 first-half malaise. Only problem: the 04 Sox were rolling by now…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:32 pm
  • M-Lor gets the walk, however…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:33 pm
  • And at the 2004 deadline the Red Sox improved what was arguably their biggest weakness: the infield defense. Meanwhile, the Red Sox of 2006 didn’t improve their weakest piece, the pitching, and in fact may have gotten even weaker there with the loss of Varitek. Opposite directions. Augurs poorly for the rest of the season, though not necessarily for the long-term health of the franchise, which is always vital to consider. I have to keep saying that.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:34 pm
  • Perhaps it is time to start a bench clearing brawl again. that seemed to get us rolling last time.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:34 pm
  • It not being the ninth, Ortiz strikes out.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:34 pm
  • They should send a gimpy Tek on the next shuttle to NYC and have him go the Bronx, buy a third baseline seat, heckle, and then have him just beat the crap out of their third baseman.
    That would be cool.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:35 pm
  • Agree SF. Just seemed like everyone wanted our first born or to sleep with our wives for decent pitchers.
    Now if it would have taken that for Clemens…..

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:35 pm
  • I like what Beth said on her blog — something to the effect of, “Every painful loss this hyear is being put in the bank for wins in 2007 and 2008.”
    It just sucks a heckuva lot right now. This was the best team in MLB in mid June…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:36 pm
  • How many first pitches is Manny now going to swing at? It’s like he can’t wait to get out asap.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:36 pm
  • Anyway, it could just be a simultaneous bad stretch. In a week, all the bats may be back, and Lester and Snyder may make us Wake’s return short of a playoff-ready rotation. It could happen, and it’s not terribly improbable…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:37 pm
  • I still have mixed feelings over the Bronson trade.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:38 pm
  • In the meantime some catcher or other doubles to leadoff the second…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:38 pm
  • Shoppach with a double.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:39 pm
  • Yeah, I think Beth has it pretty much right. But there are times when we must sound like we are drinking the Theo Kool-Aid – I can understand criticism of our “it’s for the long-term” outlook, even though I buy into it for the most part, particularly when it’s the default explanation for why the Sox didn’t do something they might have.
    At this point, the roster moves (and non-moves) from the off-season and in-season are all extremely defensible, even if they haven’t worked out perfectly. Them’s the breaks, I suppose.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:40 pm
  • Still like the Bronson trade. Look at how he’s performing in the NL now? Hasn’t won in 5 starts, ERA over 4. He’s always been streaky, and he was not going to be as good as his NL numbers in the AL East. It’s easy in hindsight to look at the arms we needed, but where would this lineup be without Wily Mo right now? Kapler, Mirabelli and Crisp in the bottom of the order? Yuck.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:40 pm
  • One of the ESPN guys, criticizing the Sox’ lack of moves, said Theo fell too in love with his own prospects, that he was willling only to move Duquette’s. Sounds like hogwash to me…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:41 pm
  • True Paul..but the offense here is different.
    What bothers me still is that he is a pitcher that we could have been that was effective and could eat innings. Definately not Jason Johnson.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:41 pm
  • I don’t have misgivings about the Arroyo trade. I think it’s a trade we’ll all forget about in a little while. Arroyo is having an outlier of a year, his first in a new league against many players who don’t know him, in a league with no DH. Wily Mo could be a fixture, he really looks like a talent. Theo bought low and sold high, and that’s how you keep a franchise healthy.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:41 pm
  • That is a crap analysis of ESPN. I am really starting to not like them. I miss Gammons, and the rest of them are sniffing second hand dumb air.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:42 pm
  • Yeah, but we didn’t know about all this then. At the time, I liked the trade. Knowing all this, I probably wouldn’t have made it, but that’s impossible to know…
    Did Crisp just throw out a runner?!?!?!?

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:42 pm
  • Yes he did. the ball got caught in an updraft causing it to have extra hang time to third.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:44 pm
  • So which prospects were inquired about? Hansen? Lester (a Duquette pick, often mistaken for a Theo pick)? Ellsbury?
    I want names. If the Sox turned down Clemens or Oswalt for Ellsbury, Hansen, +, then we can start putting Theo under the ‘scope. But if it’s Lidle, or Schmidt, or someone else then that’s ludicrous. And really, why shouldn’t Theo value his own picks? I mean, HE PICKED THEM, so he obviously values those players.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:44 pm
  • I guess in some ways we are not going to be able to judge the lack of trades until the end of the season. Do we make the playoffs or sit here and heckle Yank playoff games? The question to ask is what is the blowback if we do not make the playoffs? Do they blow up the roster and start over?

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:47 pm
  • Yeah, I dismissed it out of hand, but I thought it’d be fun to throw out here…
    The only definite thing I heard ws A Jones for Crisp/Hansen/Lester, and Theo said no to Lester. The goal (apparently) was then to flip Jones for Oswalt, but presumably Houston would want a prospect or two as well.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:47 pm
  • Hansen, Letser, Delcarmen, not sure on position players.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:48 pm
  • next year’s rotation:
    ??? Papelbon?

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:49 pm
  • They might move Crisp in the offseason and call up Ellsbury, or they might hope Crisp finds his zen over the offseason. Loretta’s a one-year player; they’ll bring up Pedroia. Gonzo I think has gotten himself another year, and there’s no reason not to let Lowell finish out his contract. Youk stays at first, Manny in left. Pena is in right.
    So pretty much the same lineup, with Pedroia for Loretta, and maybe Ellsbury for Crisp. Schilling, Beckett, Lester, Wakefield are definite starters, with maybe Papelbon for the fifth — that leaves open the closer’s role for Hansen or Delcarmen with Timlin as setup and your usual congolomeration of prospects and vets you hope will work out… It’s not a bad plan at all…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:50 pm
  • You figure you should expect major improvement from Crisp, Beckett, Papelbon (wherever he is), Youkilis, Pena, Delcarmen and Hansen. And none of these guys has done poorly this year (excepting Crisp). It’s an intriguing thought…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:52 pm
  • Is Ellsbury ready for next year?
    I also just saw the Tek is going to miss a month.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:52 pm
  • Blow up the roster? What’s to blow up? I think Theo is building a core: Crisp, Pena, Beckett, Lester, MDC, Paps, Hansen, Youk, Ortiz. Manny is older, and who knows how long he’ll be around, but that’s at least 10 guys who are pretty young, and besides Ortiz “developing”. How the rest of the roster fills out will be interesting to watch, but the Sox are being run smartly. Not every move works out, we HAVE to remember this. Theo will make mistakes. I guarantee it.
    I do think that if the Sox fail to make the playoffs with Papelbon as the closer the whole way, we’ll see him in the rotation next year, no matter what. Because my guess will be that the starting pitching will be the Achilles’ heel.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:53 pm
  • He might not be. I just know he’s been tearing it up of late. I’d prefer to keep him down, and so would Theo prbably. Crisp is just having a character-building year…
    Mirabelli says, “Hello? I can still hit!”

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:53 pm
  • RE Oswalt:
    “The Globe’s Nick Cafardo reported Tuesday that the Red Sox at one point on Monday thought they had Astros pitcher Roy Oswalt. According to Cafardo, the Sox were willing to go pretty far by giving up one or two of their untouchables — a list that included Jon Lester, Craig Hansen, and Manny Delcarmen — as well as one or two everyday players.”

    Mayday Malone August 2, 2006, 7:54 pm
  • Tough break, though. Would the runner have scored if that hadn’t gone into the stands?

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:54 pm
  • SF: yes, that GRD cost a run.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 7:55 pm
  • Didn;t see it, but seeing as how the runner was Crisp, I’d guess he would have…
    Thanks Mayday, so apparently that kills the ESPN analysis, as does the report the Sox were OK with losing one of them for Jones, but not two…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:56 pm
  • “as well as one or two everyday players.”
    Ok, so who could that possibly be? I probably means Crisp and/or Wily Mo and/or Loretta. So that trade becomes pretty marginal, if not a waste, all of a sudden. And also, it’s not likely that Lester gets lumped into the same group as MDC or Hansen – he’s a different commmodity. So it was probably an offer of something like “you give us Lester AND Hansen AND Crisp AND…” and you can have Oswalt. So no thanks.

    SF August 2, 2006, 7:57 pm
  • And Gonzo Ks. :-P The struggles with RISP continue.
    On that note, dinner time. Have fun, all!

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 7:57 pm
  • I am not saying they should blow up the roster. Just wondering if they might.
    Saying this based off of the prospects we have in the farm system. Do you think that maybe we decide to trade some of the vets from this year to allow some of the prospects to move up.
    Perhaps blow up was an extreme term….

    Rob August 2, 2006, 7:59 pm
  • Thank god “The Office” is on…

    SF August 2, 2006, 8:04 pm
  • speaking of The Office, I think it’s a good series but the whole love relationship is pretty poorly done. More Dwight, less passive aggressive love I say.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 8:06 pm
  • I haven’t watched it much, just picking it up. But it’s pretty good so far, and it’s way funnier than the Sox right now.

    SF August 2, 2006, 8:08 pm
  • Anything is funnier than this.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 8:08 pm
    WHAT THE F********************CK IS WRONG WITH THIS TEAM?????????????????????????????????????????
    Sorry. Lost my mind for a second.

    SF August 2, 2006, 8:12 pm
  • Sowers was one the best pitching prospects in baseball. He’s tough.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 8:13 pm
  • It’s okay. I am baning my head off the desk. Supposedly 20 times of doing that will burn 150 calories.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 8:14 pm
  • And Toronto is laying down like punks.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 8:14 pm
  • Yay! Hitting and running with Ortiz at the plate against a tough lefty! Yay, Tito!!!

    SF August 2, 2006, 8:17 pm
  • Youk scores AGon on the double to put Boston on the board.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 8:49 pm
  • And Loretta knocks in Youk. 3-2 Indians.

    SF August 2, 2006, 8:50 pm
  • Glad to be back. We have that heat warning here in NC and my AC in my house went out today. Just had the repairman leave getting it back up.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:00 pm
  • Papi Ks to end the inning, but the Sox just got another Indian on the basepaths, with another throw from Coco starting it off… Crazy…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:01 pm
  • Lester way past 100 pitches. Not sure if this is a good idea keeping them in.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:02 pm
  • Nothing’s better than an hour of The Daily Show/Colbert Report…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:02 pm
  • He Ks Peralta. Not a bad outing from Lester, first-inning struggles aside…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:03 pm
  • Lester gets Peralta on the K. Lester is approaching 100 pitches. Leave him out there in this heat, or give him the rest of the night off?

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 9:03 pm
  • 110 pitches rather.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 9:03 pm
  • Ortiz tonight is 0-3 with 3K’s.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:07 pm
  • I heard Manny Ramirez is pretty good.

    Anonymous August 2, 2006, 9:09 pm
  • Manny homers to center to tie the score.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:09 pm
  • Anonymous was me right after Manny’s dinger.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 9:10 pm
  • Wily Mo just nearly killed someone sitting on the Monster seats, a laser beam homer that was going about 90MPH when it hit the back of the first row of seats. This guy could hit some legendary homers in Fenway.

    SF August 2, 2006, 9:12 pm
  • Pena has a tremendously quick bat. That’s a great cut.

    attackgerbil August 2, 2006, 9:13 pm
  • Lester should keep his ass on the bench. He did a great job coming back after that first inning (with some help from Coco last inning), and he should leave with the win in line. He’s thrown a ton of pitches, and Timlin and Papelbon are both rested, heavily. If he comes out, it’s a bad play. Not that it won’t work out, but I think it’s unwise.

    SF August 2, 2006, 9:17 pm
  • “comes out” as in comes out to pitch the 7th.
    And I am now off to bed, despite my threats to leave much earlier, I just can’t give up the Sox and the blog. But now I watch where there is no PC…
    Go Sox!

    SF August 2, 2006, 9:18 pm
  • Understand the comnes out comment.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:31 pm
  • Delcarmen pitches a good 7th with two strikeouts.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:31 pm
  • 2 down quickly for the Sox in the bottom of the 7th.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:34 pm
  • Can anyone tell me what the deal is with Timah Timlin, sometimes he just lights out an older version of Paps… other times not so good

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:43 pm
  • hoping that the former guy finishes the inning

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:44 pm
  • Not sure what has been up with Timlin. definately has been frustrating.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:45 pm
  • hoping that the former guy finishes the inning

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:45 pm
  • oops double post dang

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:46 pm
  • I am too. paps should be ready soon just in case.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:47 pm
  • earlier in the year watched Timlin mow down 6 batters on 12 pitches

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:47 pm
  • Timlin’s getting a little old, I think is the explanation, Brian…
    Nice to return from a walk and see the Sox ahead :-D

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:47 pm
  • SOB!!!!!!

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:47 pm
  • Grrrrrrrr

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:48 pm
  • ohhh boy did I just open my mouth too wide, or what

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:48 pm
  • Friggin Hafner.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:48 pm
  • since when did Cleveland inspire fear…sheesh

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:50 pm
  • Timlin blows the chance for Lester to get the win. really a damn shame.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:50 pm
  • Just for once I’d like all the pieces in the bullpen to work at the same time…. Is that so much to ask?

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:50 pm
  • I swear, it’s crying shame, really is

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:51 pm
  • That really pisses me off… Three easy outs except for the huge brain fart in the middle. I hate that.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:51 pm
  • It’s so strange, you just never know the Timlin you are gonna get…

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:52 pm
  • Well, that just put me in a foul mood…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:52 pm
  • That guy murdered the Yankees on July 4th. Hafner is freaking dangerous.

    bloodyank78 August 2, 2006, 9:53 pm
  • Timlin has not been the same this year. It is frustrating in these games. We are struggling and one easy chance for everyone to pitch in on a win that we came back on and a dumb pitch puts us behind again.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:53 pm
  • I’m not sure that’s true Rob. I think we have pre-injury Timlin and post-injury Timlin… One was sitting at a 1.00 ERA, the other … not so much.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:53 pm
  • Agree Paul. The post injury Timlin has been shaky and erratic.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:54 pm
  • Papi K’s….Lets go Manny.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 9:57 pm
  • Totally agree with Paul… in fact the Pre injury Timlin got those 6 outs on 12 pitches and went down the next game

    Brian August 2, 2006, 9:58 pm
  • Mike Timlin through May 25:
    21 games, 19.1 IP, 18 H, 12 K, 6 BB, 1.40 ERA
    (and that includes the May 25 game in which he gave up 3 hits and a run in 2/3 inning and subsequently was DLed).
    Mike Timlin since June 16:
    19 games, 18 IP, 21 H, 7 K, 4 BB, 4.50 ERA
    What seems to be changing is that he strikes out fewer, and gives up the same number of hits, but that the hits are foing farther and are hit harder…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:58 pm
  • Golden Sombrero for Papi. Yuck. Coulda used a better result from him there…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 9:59 pm
  • Manny singles to start the rally.

    Rob August 2, 2006, 10:00 pm
  • The line for Timlin since June 16 includding this game is:
    20 games, 19 IP, 23 H, 8 K, 4 BB, 5.21 ERA.

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:01 pm
  • Manny now up to .319!!!

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:02 pm
  • Yeah, Pena needs to be at No. 5. Lowell hits better this season in the 6 hole anyway…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:02 pm
  • Gameday shows an out then says Manny singled then that it’s an out GGGrrrr

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:02 pm
  • Did Manny get doubled up?

    Rob August 2, 2006, 10:03 pm
  • Well how did that happen?

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:03 pm
  • Got doubled off first on the popup perhaps?

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:04 pm
  • Trivia: When was the last time Papelbon pitched in a save situation?

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:04 pm
  • Lowel’s bat is not going to be worth a crap for a while…
    I’d be willing to bet it takes him more than a few games to get back on track after that foul

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:05 pm
  • I think it was a gameday hairball cuz it said the ball Manny hit was caught

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:06 pm
  • Answer: July 19, when he finished off three saves in a row vs. KC. Timlin got the save the next night. Ten games without a save for the Sox pen, not counting tonight…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:07 pm
  • I dunno Paul it’s been a while since Paps got one

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:07 pm
  • Geee the Jays score two do they rally!!! NO of course not

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:09 pm
  • Paps with another fine inning of work…

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:11 pm
  • I hate Toronto with the passion of a 1,000 fiery suns… (The Yankees get 10,000, for the record).

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:11 pm
  • Bad Pena — too eager on that one…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:15 pm
  • I’ll go with you on the 10,000 suns the but I’m pretty ambivilant about the Jays unless we are up there playing them

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:15 pm
  • ahhhhhhhh geez this is really embarassing

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:17 pm
  • Doug Mirabelli, can he do it???

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:18 pm
  • Wow, Gonzo gives a chance

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:21 pm

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:22 pm
  • This is tense…

    z118 August 2, 2006, 10:24 pm

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:26 pm
  • wow! go loretta!

    z118 August 2, 2006, 10:26 pm
  • Carblowna back at it.

    YF August 2, 2006, 10:27 pm

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:27 pm

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:28 pm
  • SWEET!!!

    z118 August 2, 2006, 10:28 pm
  • Holy Crap and a Half!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:29 pm
  • Fausto sold his soul to John Henry.

    YF August 2, 2006, 10:30 pm
  • Mark Loretta steals Papi’s chance for another

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:30 pm
  • 2006 Sox: Kings Of Walkoffs

    TJ August 2, 2006, 10:31 pm
  • boring

    Nick-YF August 2, 2006, 10:31 pm
  • That was pretty unbelievable. Carmona must not be lovin’ this Boston trip.

    z118 August 2, 2006, 10:31 pm
  • Paps gets the WIN

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:31 pm
  • Wow! Mark Loretta! Great set of at bats from the Sox…. And I haven’t seen a closer fall apart like that in a long time. Wow… Great time to turn on NESN…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:32 pm
  • Y’know this walkoff stuff is freakin awesome but christ it’s bad for my health

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:32 pm
  • I hope you saw that, SF.
    Keep the Faith, brotha.

    Mayday Malone August 2, 2006, 10:33 pm
  • I can’t believe what we have witnessed three out of the last 4 games

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:34 pm
  • lol, No joke, Brian. My heart can’t handle all this lol.
    I keep hoping one of these will spafrk the Sox into a streak or something… And really, in all honesty, this wasn’t the Sox coming back from their last strike, this was Fausto Carmona inviting the Sox in, pouring some coffee and giving them the game on their way back out the door…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:34 pm
  • Honestly when Willy Mo got rung up I thought it was probably all done

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:35 pm
  • Glad I didn’t head out before the watching the end of the game :-D Good night all! It will indeed be a good night…

    Paul SF August 2, 2006, 10:35 pm
  • Yeah Paul, but I’m not complaining

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:36 pm
  • Jesus. This shit is going to kill me.

    LocklandSF August 2, 2006, 10:36 pm
  • Fact is you still have to make the guy pitch and poor pitching still wins out a large percentage of the time

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:38 pm
  • Giving us the game is a little much, I mean, Loretta still had to get the bottom of the 9th hit with two outs, nothing easy about that.
    I do appreciate the help though.

    LocklandSF August 2, 2006, 10:39 pm
  • I’ve known many Red Sox squads of old that would have curled up after the 8th

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:39 pm
  • these guys are special, but damn they worry me alla time!

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:40 pm
  • Timlins outing really bummed me out poor Lester but heck CAMONA for PRESEDENTE’

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:41 pm

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:42 pm

    Brian August 2, 2006, 10:44 pm
  • Carmona may have totally given the game away, but he sure did put it within the grasp. I feel bad for the kid. That’s a really tough collapse.

    attackgerbil August 3, 2006, 12:11 am
  • Saw it in bed. I didn’t give up watching, but I can’t say I really expected that to happen. Unreal.

    SF August 3, 2006, 7:36 am
  • I said this in an earlier thread, but I really don’t believe the Sox can keep this up. Now, you may say that to win games when the pitching and the hitting have gone cold is the mark of a great team, but (as a Yanks fan who wants to think the Sox won’t make the playoffs) I’d argue that things will even themselves out over the course of the season and you’re going to suffer a very bad run of results. I don’t know what can change between now and the end of the season to give Sox fans hope that this poor play with improve.

    Sam August 3, 2006, 8:37 am
  • I agree with you 100%, Sam.
    On the other hand, didn’t the Yankees win something like 27 games in the 8th inning or later last year (or was it 2004?), and still won the division?

    SF August 3, 2006, 8:58 am
  • Sam, poor play? What are you talking about? Our offense is as good if not better than the Yankees. Our defense if FAR superior. Our bullpen is pretty much the same. We have similar injury problems. The only thing the Sox have a real issue with is the starting pitching, a problem the Yankees have as well.
    What poor play are you talking about?

    LocklandSF August 3, 2006, 9:02 am
  • As it stands the Red Sox have more runs, hits, home runs, walks, a better OBP than the Yankees and we have an equal team batting average.
    Poor play?

    LocklandSF August 3, 2006, 9:05 am
  • We have 38 errors, the Yankees have 71, poor play?

    LocklandSF August 3, 2006, 9:08 am
  • Your team ERA is .25 better.
    Yeah, this Yankees team is VASTLY superior to the POOR PLAY of the Red Sox.
    Give me a break. Poor play.

    LocklandSF August 3, 2006, 9:11 am
  • Lockland – half this thread has SF fans complaining about the poor play of the team. Are you lot that fickle? Also, you’re talking season numbers – what are the numbers for July?
    My point is that the Yanks are winning and winning well at the moment. The Sox, on the other hand, are in a funk and are winning games in late innings – something the sabre guys say usually evens out over the course of a season. If it does, you’re looking at a fair few losses down the stretch.
    Plus, we have just signed Abreu, Wilson and Lidle, and Sheff, Cano and Matsui may come back soon. For the Sox, Tek, Wake and Trot’s injuries will hurt going forward, whereas I think the damage done to the Yanks by injuries is mostly behind them.
    SF – you are right. There are always outliers, and the Sox could well ride these late innings wins into the postseason. I’m not saying it won’t happen. Just saying that if I was a Sox fan, I’d be worried (a sentiment with which SF seems to agree, by the way).

    Sam August 3, 2006, 11:04 am
  • Yeah, because no team ever has a bad month and thank god that at the end, it’s the season numbers that count, not one month.
    We will see how a marginal #5 pitcher from the NL does in the AL East today.
    I doubt highly that Abreu will be what you hope him to be.
    Good luck ever getting Sheff back, let alone 100%.
    Good luck getting Matsui back at 100%.
    Lot of ifs for both of our teams, I wouldn’t start making room in the trophy case yet.

    LocklandSF August 3, 2006, 11:16 am
  • “sabre guys”
    Are those the guys Georgie hired to follow Cashman around all day (so he dosen’t lose focus, y’know)?
    “Just saying that if I was a Sox fan, I’d be worried (a sentiment with which SF seems to agree, by the way).”
    Well, you’re obviously not, so don’t.
    With all due respect to SF, he’s not the only Sox fan here (and quite a bit quicker to jump off the bridge than others, I might add). I believe he had a conversation with Eeyore and Loretta last night and I think he’s alright now.

    Mayday Malone August 3, 2006, 11:40 am
  • Well, at least you prefaced it with “as a Yanks fan who hopes the Sox won’t make the playoffs”.
    *in voice of petulant child* Yeah, well…well…I hope Andy Phillips spontaneously combusts!! How ’bout that?! (I hate injuries to either team…including Sheffield and Matsui this year…)
    Trot lost–yeah, we’re losing a lot of production from RF what with the massive home runs, RBI triples, and higher average (in a smaller sample size, admittedly) from Wily Mo.
    Tek lost–yeah, that sucks…but Tek was the hole in the lineup anyway. As a Sox fan hoping the Sox do make the playoffs, I’ll spin it my way.
    The spin doesn’t matter, though. Watch the damn games.

    Devine August 3, 2006, 12:04 pm
  • Sigh. Just making a point, that’s all. No need for everyone to get snippy.

    Sam August 3, 2006, 12:48 pm
  • Yeah, I don’t quite get why people came down hard on Sam. You look at the beginning of this thread and SF was essentially saying similar things.

    Nick-YF August 3, 2006, 12:49 pm
  • Aw, jeez, Mayday. I was commenting on how the Sox were playing at the time – in the first inning Lester was absolutely hideous. He did great to come back and adjust, and that’s a very good sign.
    I think the worst thing I’ve said about the Sox’ prospects is that if they continue to play as poorly as they’ve played (and yes, they HAVE played poorly – I’ve watched it all), they will be in some trouble in the division. And I think I have also said that they ought to watch the Wild Card standings in that case, to be sure to make the playoffs. So the bottom line is that I still think the Sox can either win the division or the wild card. But not the way they are playing. That’s really not a “bridge-jumping” statement or an entirely unrealistic world view – it’s based on field observations of this seasoned fan. The Sox are three highly improbable comebacks from a 7 game losing streak. They are not three late-inning blown leads from a 7 game winning streak. That’s not a great spot to be in.

    SF August 3, 2006, 12:57 pm
  • Aww- c’mon Sam. Obviously your “points” are going to rile up SFs- at least defend yourself.
    “My point is that the Yanks are winning and winning well at the moment. The Sox, on the other hand, are in a funk and are winning games in late innings”
    In my estimation, a team takes a lot more out of a 6-5 walkoff victory than a 7-2 pasting. I sure didn’t see any highlights of the NY squad jumping up and down in the infield and around home plate last night (or is that just because of their estimable “class”?).

    Mayday Malone August 3, 2006, 12:58 pm
  • Nick- like I said, he might be the co-keeper of the flame, but SF is not the only SF here.
    SF- your comments insinuate that I have not been paying attention to the games, nor am I a seasoned fan, both of which I resent. If my enduring optimism conflicts with your pessimism (“I have a feeling August is really gonna suck.” and “The Sox are three highly improbable comebacks from a 7 game losing streak.” is pretty pessimistic) then so be it. Understood it the fact that more than half of our esteemed fan base is bound to the doom and gloom attitude that permeated for decades, but for this fan, I’ve found that attitude gets me nowhere but pissed off, and what fun is that?
    Are we playing well right now? Not really but, like I just mentioned above, a team takes a lot more out of a walkoff victory, especially when thy’re down their starting RF, and C and fighting for the division. The yankers seemed to be able to ride out their injuries and troubled pitching staff- what’s to say we can’t do the same for a month?
    Like I said waaaay earlier in this post- buck up, Champ- Season ain’t over yet!

    Mayday Malone August 3, 2006, 1:14 pm
  • Nick…because it’s a Yankee fan saying our season’s gonna suck. Yeah, if I went in on a Yankee thread and said things of a similar nature about your team, I’m SURE I wouldn’t get bashed.

    Devine August 3, 2006, 2:30 pm
  • No, Mayday – I wasn’t commenting on your expertise, and I am sorry if you saw it that way. My apologies for not being more clear.
    I was more defending my own position against an accusation of me being panicked, or jumping ship. I am not. I am concerned, seriously so.

    SF August 3, 2006, 2:38 pm
  • Y’know really, when it’s a bunch of Red Sox fans talking about a game during the course of which the Sox offense seems flat and the pitching can’t seem to hold the other team at bay… well, guess the f**k what, you are going to hear some gripeing from Sox fans. And y’know what, if the shoe is on the other foot… WHAT, are going to hear any LESS gripeing from Yankee fans?
    Sox fans AND Yankees fans are going to say things to their brethren about a game that looks to be winnable but keeps heading south on them, that they certainly aren’t going to say to fans of their rivals…
    It’s a little tough to take to then have a Yankees fan pick apart AFTER THE FACT those gripes and show them as evidence of Sox fans jumping ship.
    Especially tough to stomach someone picking apart those gripes in the aftermath of a walkoff win by the Sox!
    And Sam, what is your point in saying that “I said this in an earlier thread, but I really don’t believe the Sox can keep this up” I am assuming you mean walk off wins, because any other alternative makes no sense, but if you mentioned it in another thread, then you know that in actuallity, they did keep it up, winning by walk-off yet again this season…
    And like my fellow Sox fan said, “The spin doesn’t matter. Just watch the damn games.”

    Brian August 18, 2006, 10:24 am

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