RSN’s A-Rod Problem

For some reason RSN can’t seem to get A-Rod off its collective mind. Schilling was still yammering on about him, yesterday: “I’m sure there’s a lot of guys in the big leagues that don’t like each other….I’m pretty sure Alex could care less whether I like him or not.” Why the club is focussed on A-Rod and not its own happy circumstance is beyond me, and a lot of other Yankee fans. Is the media creating the problem? Well, sort of, but the Sox keep fanning the flames. Schilling: “I’m pretty sure that me not liking Alex Rodriguez is not a groundbreaking story.” (Hint: Curt, if you want a story to blow over, take the Jeter path, and don’t comment on it.)

And the meme has expanded beyond the players, and is now dominating discussion boards and fan sites. The commenting on YFSF alone is way up. Bronx Banter has seen a similar flood. (Asks BB, “How many games do the Sox and Yanks have to play against each other this season before there is another fight?”) The SoSH “Trot discusses A-Rod” thread is up over 25,000 views. All this at a time when there is a serious controversy in the game—a controversy that both authors of this site have addressed at length and to practically no response. All anyone wants to talk about, it seems, is A-Rod.

So we ask: What is wrong with RSN? Why the bitter obsession with A-Rod? Why now? Why, in their championship moment, are Sox fans incensed over a rival third baseman? It’s not us, it’s you.

34 comments… add one
  • Yeah – it’s us. Just like Yankee Nation obsessing with chants of “1918” for so many years. Why couldn’t YOU enjoy your successes at the time instead of harrassing us with history older than almost everyone alive?!?! A-Rod is a punk – that’s why we hate him. As much as I hate the Yankees, I can respect Jeter/Matsui/The Unit. But not A-Fraud. And now that we’re on your collective backs the way you have dogged us for years, you cry “why us?” Grab a hankie – it’s going to be a long season…..

    AJ February 18, 2005, 10:26 am
  • Yes, but why now? After the 2000 WS victory, we did not see the Yanks entering camp on day one chanting “1918.”

    YF February 18, 2005, 10:33 am
  • It’s as if this one lucky World Series championship has somehow erased the past 90 years of misery for the lowly Sox. The gum flapping just isn’t going to stop, is it? At times I sort of feel like Bob Sugar, the character Jay Mohr played in “Jerry MacGuire.” Towards the end of the movie Jerry MacGuire is in the tunnel before the football game in which his star client is about to play. Sugar comes over to MacGuire and instead of running his mouth about Sugar’s superiority in the sports agent business he solemly tells MacGuire, “It’s okay, I’ll let you enjoy this.”
    So to all the Sox fans out there (a certain neighbor included), congratulations, you’ve finally won something. It’s okay, I’ll let you enjoy this.

    Rich February 18, 2005, 10:35 am
  • What’s different about now versus then? The rivalry was still heated, not too much has changed. We’re not chanting “Worst Choke Ever” on day 1 (yet) – we’re just taking stabs at a player that collectively makes us ill. Did YFs have a time table on when it was OK to harrass Paydro (pre the “who’s your daddy” episodes)? No way. Why NOT now?

    AJ February 18, 2005, 10:44 am
  • A-Rod went to ESPN, to Bob Klapisch, to meet Big Stein to discuss his “leadership skills”, this was advertised all over the tabs. We didn’t bring this to the front page. Nice try, YF.
    The funny thing is that his discussion is so normal for our great Sox/Yanks rivalry. It’s fun. It’s heated. It’s nasty, at times. YF is just antagonizing us, so let’s not bite too hard. The A-Rod situation is mostly about A-Rod – he’s a Copernican figure, and will probably remain such. It makes us SFs realize what a class guy Jeter is, right? I think it is clearly the choke-blinded YFs who have some sort of reflexive defensiveness about Slappy. That is, all of them except for YF Spidey, who really seems to get the beast that is Rodriguez.

    SF February 18, 2005, 11:13 am
  • The media (and various blogs…) are making far more of this A-Rod bashing than is really deserved. Schilling keeps going off on him — but the guy’s an obnoxious loudmouth, which is well known. And Nixon’s comments were similarly on the 10th-grade level. But who else? More than a few Sox have refused to comment. Why should two players, and a ton of people on discussion boards (not generally the most restrained, thoughtful people in the world), define “RSN”?
    If the actions of just two players can define the character of a team and its fanbase, then we can assume the 2003 Yankees all loved brawls in the bullpen, and the 2002 Giants were always trying to kill each other in the dugout? Maybe you’re generalizing just a BIT too much…

    Jesse February 18, 2005, 11:19 am
  • Fair enough – it is fun! And to answer the original question – there’s nothing wrong with Red Sox Nation. Nothing. We’re just enjoying ratcheting it up a little…

    AJ February 18, 2005, 11:20 am
  • He’s a Copernican figure—SF
    So A-Rod’s a baseball phenom and a genius at astronomy. Who knew? Someone call NASA.

    YF February 18, 2005, 11:31 am
  • It’s clear why the RSN is bashing A-Rod: they know we are going to kick their asses this year, and for the next 85 years, and that A-Rod is going to play a key role in that. Therefore they are executing a badly-planned psyop to mess with A-Rod’s head. But it’s not going to work.
    Sing it with me, boys:
    “Twenty-Ninety! Clap clap clap-clap-clap
    Twenty-Ninety! Clap clap clap-clap-clap
    Twenty-Ninety! Clap clap clap-clap-clap”

    Joe February 18, 2005, 12:10 pm
  • “YF is just antagonizing us, so let’s not bite too hard.”
    SF wins this round; a moment of self-reflection leads to a deeper understanding of the truth. Has SF and the Nation redeemed themselves?
    Score thus far:
    YF: 1
    SF: 1
    Will judge again soon

    Brewers Fan February 18, 2005, 12:45 pm
  • What do the chants of “1918” have anything to do with this discussion? The question was why are Red Sox PLAYERS seemingly obsessed with A-Rod? You guys keep pointing what Yankee fans seem to not being able to shut up about. Uh….yea, we are the fans remember. We are supposed to hate the Sox. All we can do is chant and yell and cheer and engage in mindless and ultimately inconsequential banter on internet websites. After all we don’t play the game, we just watch. Our little verbal barrages are all we have.
    The point is that Curt, who should be happy that he contributed to the removal of 2 rings from Yankee fingers is an obnoxious moron who continuously runs his mouth, and in the process, makes the Sox and RSN look like they don’t know how to act like winners (and I guess given their history, no one should be surprised). Fact is Schilling should know better, and he probably does, but he is too much of a loudmouth to zip it. And Trot? Come on. That’s like if Flaherty was to come out and knock Manny Ramirez for having the IQ of a stapler. Which while true, doesn’t need to be pointed out by a bench player.
    Yankee fans know A-Rod is not Jeter or Bernie or Jorge or the players we have come to love since the mid 90’s. He is a hired gun in a sense (despite the fact he will be a long term gun), one that Boston fans were salivating over, before the Yanks got him. Does he deserve the name “Slappy”? Yup. Anyone who has played ball at any level knows that you can’t actively use your hands to take a ball from a glove in the middle of a play, BUT if a guy is standing in the baseline…..well he better not be standing when you are past him. Apparently in between all those SI Covers no one thought to point this out to Slappy. So be it. You won, we lost. Sox fans, you have earned the right to rub it in, it’s what we would expect, Yankee fans would do the same. And A-Rod certainly has a long way to go to prove he is a championship caliber player. As a Yankee fan I hope he is able to do so, even if in the end it is the Jeter and Bernie’s of the team we really identify with.
    But your players? They should just play the game. You’ve one 1 WS in the last 86 years, now it’s your chance to prove it wasn’t a fluke, an aberration, that you can do it again and against the Evil Empire to boot. Instead before even making warm up tosses you have a few guys who act as if they have spent their entire off-season putting pins in a Voodoo doll of A-Rod, and can’t wait to tell everyone about it. Act like you’ve been there before. Focus on your own team and go stitch your ankle tendon back in place. But above all just shut up. Leave the harassment of Yankee players to your fans. And above all Curt just shut up already.
    Let’s see how he runs his mouth when he loses this year. He’ll need his bloody sock back to wipe his tears away.

    Hammy February 18, 2005, 1:07 pm
  • Guess Jim Bouton’s line still holds true for some people
    “You’re only as smart as your ERA”

    Anonymous February 18, 2005, 1:22 pm
  • How can we act like we’ve been there before, when you keep pointing out we haven’t in 85 years? And the question was not about the players – it was about RSN….

    AJ February 18, 2005, 1:27 pm
  • Actually if you read YF’s post he is really asking two questions. I think RSN could care less about A-Rod. The only reason message boards are filled up with quotes about the topic is because of what YF pointed out in his first paragraph; all this banter is caused by the Sox players who have diarrhea of the mouth when it comes to A-Rod and the Yanks.
    Why is RSN obsessed? Simple, because their players are. Take away “The Idiots” commentary, and the boards will be left with its typical “The Yankees suck cause….” comments from RSN. Which is expected and nothing out of the ordinary.
    It’s some of the Sox players themselves that are making the franchise, as a whole, look a little insecure at a time when they should be on top of the world.
    First day of Spring Training “To Do” List:
    1.) Portray myself, and my teammates, as unprofessional trash talkers who are obsessed with the purple lipped 3rd baseman. Check
    But then of course RSN can fall back on using the excuse many, rushed to the defense of their players with; “It’s the media’s fault. They keep asking them questions looking for these type of quotes. What do you? Blame the media. They were forced or tricked into saying those things. They are no more obsessed with the Yanks then the Yanks are with them.”
    Sure. That makes sense, because no one asks anyone on the Yankees those type of questions right? No of course not. Only the Red Sox players get that type of instigation thrown at them. The New York media would never badger the guys in pinstripes with rivalry questions. Right…
    Must be the media’s fault. They are all just puppets. Well the I guess you will have to pull Dan Shaughnessy’s hand out of Curt’s a$$ before April 3rd then. After all you can’t have him working Schilling’s mouth for the rest of the summer, he actually has to pitch again you know.

    Hammy February 18, 2005, 2:24 pm
  • Interesting theory, but I’ve been busting on A-Fraud all winter, & haven’t noticed the Sox player’s comments until recently. We bust on A-Fraud ’cause he’s a punk. Period.
    Speaking of unprofessional trash talkers – has Sheff eaten his ALCS comments yet?

    AJ February 18, 2005, 3:00 pm
  • in re: players being able to keep their mouths shut – since when? Do any of us really expect Schilling to keep quiet, or Rodriguez for that matter? Remember, A-Rod’s the guy who said two weeks ago that “with my talent people will follow naturally”, and most of this comes out of that and other egomaniacal comments to Bob Klapisch. So why isn’t his attitude worth dissecting? It’s because we, RSN, are insecure? That’s preposterous.
    No – it’s because A-Rod, Schilling, Nixon, Wells, et al are relatively tactless egomaniacs who CAN’T keep their mouths shut. And apparently neither can we, judging from the number of comments on this subject alone.
    Bottom line: nobody is laying off anyone, YFs and SFs alike. You YFs won’t lay off the Sox (and never have, nor do we expect you to), and we aren’t about to lay off the Yankees, now that we finally have a chance. So what’s the beef, exactly? YF (and the rest of YFN) is naively expecting a certain few of the more notoriously verbose players to act out of character, and YF asks the same of his co-blogger (have either of us ever been accused of being stoic?!). Ridiculous.

    SF February 18, 2005, 4:38 pm
  • YF calls ’em as he sees ’em. We’re happy to puncture either team’s balloons. Fair and balanced. Just like Fox. Objective but partisan. Welcome to the New Journalism.

    YF February 18, 2005, 5:22 pm
  • Good to see that YF has come to referencing himself in the third person. Just like a prima donna athlete, and the superstar blogger we know him to be!

    SF February 18, 2005, 6:02 pm
  • On the subject of laying off A Rod, 2 points
    Having just seen the “slap” incident again on the NESN rebroadcast, and having heard about how A Rod thinks it was a “good play” and would cheerfully do it again, it is hard to feel like “laying off” the guy. He has NO SHAME. He also is ridiculous in his justification of the incident. Thus it is hard for this SF to give him the benefit of the doubt for anything whatever. His arrogant statements about his “talent” serving to lead other players and about his work ethic merely confirm the bad impression he has already made.
    The second point is about the incredibly thin skins of YFs that this thread is revealing. Can you really only dish it out? You have won a lot for a long time, but winning isn’t a divinely bestowed right to the Yankees and their fans and to nobody else. You CAN’T always be on the winning side. The sensitivity to criticism that you show now that you have lost to your rival comes over as EXTREME arrogance. Come on down and join the rest of us living in the real, pretty shitty world where our teams can lose as well as win. You’ll enjoy the winning more when it happens, I can assure you.

    dabize February 18, 2005, 6:55 pm
  • Well there are levels of “pretty shitty”.
    There are Yankee levels of shitty, like our current “drought” from the 2001 season to present. Or the really dark times, 78 – 96. Not nice, but manageable.
    And then there is Red Sox levels of shitty. 1 Championship in 86 years. Misery through generations if you will. Now there I gotta give it to ya, that is “pretty shitty”. Since you guys are more than happy to hang out there, so be it.
    The rest of us will just hang out in Yankeeland where we enjoy winning just fine, if you don’t mind. It’s tough for Yankee fans to be jealous of you, we’re too busy pitying you instead.
    And I love how Red Sox fans suddenly are experts on how to enjoy winning. Let me fill you in on a little secret. You enjoy something more the better you get at it. 26 Championships, 39 pennants, we are pretty damn good and we enjoy it more than you will ever know. We’ll show you how much this October.
    And no one is asking you to stop running your mouths, players and fans alike, keep it up! Please. You are as tired as a Yankee/George bashing Mike Lupica article, a bloody sock, a hostage championsip ball, and all the “idiots” that make up your ballclub. So please continue. It will make this years spanking of Boston that much sweeter.

    Hammy February 18, 2005, 7:27 pm
  • Ah, yes, all these posts asking us to lay off A-Rod smack of pity. Sorry I mistook it for bitterness and jealousy. Anyhow, this meme has been beaten like a team up 3-0 on their archrival.

    SF February 18, 2005, 7:41 pm
  • Thin skinned, aren’t we, hammy?
    And a tad defensive, too.
    Better start building up that immune system for the coming season………..

    dabize February 18, 2005, 7:52 pm
  • Ok ok what’s all this crap im hearing, Yankee fans for real…shut the heck up. Why do we continue to rag on A-Rod is a good question, since he should be doing it on himself. I mean come on, he himself thought he was going to the redsox. So it must have killed him to walk out of the stadium while the team he was supposed to be in, goes on to finish his dream. I have to admit it should be enough but no. Yankee fans you brought it all on yourselves. Did you dumb***es really think that Red Sox were never gonna win? That has to be a pretty stupid thing to think. Relax, you guys just have to get used to losing, I have a feeling its going to happen often. Me personally, wont stop cappin on A-frawd until he apologizes for cheating. Schilling says what he wants and should have the right to, after all at least he keeps his promises. Says hes gonna get us a championship and BAM! Champs! A-frawd says the same thing and instead embarasses himself. Anyway I wanted to do this since I started reading posts “2000!, 2000!, 2000!, 2000!” ROFLMAO I have another feeling telling me im going to be chanting that for a long time. I love these feelings its like im spiderman!! “2000!!”

    Come on Mang February 18, 2005, 8:57 pm
  • A-Rod Problem comments: 23
    Bernie’s adventure comments: 1
    Is there something wrong here? Nah!

    YF February 18, 2005, 8:59 pm
  • Hammy,
    My favorite player from that horrible time period you referenced for the Bombers had to have been Steve Balboni. Remember that game Andy Hawkins threw a no-hitter – and lost? Sad times. Sad times indeed.

    Slice February 19, 2005, 11:15 am
  • Update:
    SF: 2
    YF: 1
    You Yanks really can’t receive as good as you give, can you……

    cleveland fan February 19, 2005, 12:53 pm
  • how about this: we’ll shut up about a-rod if you’ll shut up about us shutting up about a-rod.
    way to alienate your readers, by the way, by suggesting that a recent increase in traffic / commenting is unwelcome and disappointing to you.

    beth February 19, 2005, 11:31 pm
  • Seems pretty clear that our readers aren’t alienated, but the suggestion was not that comments about A-Rod were unwelcome, just that it would be nice if we could have a similar response to more, shall we say, serious matters.

    YF February 20, 2005, 12:14 am
  • Update
    YF: 2
    SF: 1
    Cleveland Fan is a fraud.

    Brewers Fan February 20, 2005, 12:33 am
  • you can’t force people to comment on things you consider “serious”. they’ll comment on what they want to comment on.
    meanwhile, i noticed no content on this site about this. Have YFs’ Boomer / Red Sox problems not come to anyone’s attention?
    How about the new icons available for YFs? “Boston Blows”? Does this mean I get to whine at YFs about being “Classless” the same way you whined about us when some SFs used the “Yankees Suck” chant?

    beth February 20, 2005, 11:06 am
  • Beth:
    We’re idealists here. We aspire to loftier things. We strive for something greater than the petty squabling and pointless irrationality of the lowest common denominator. Usually. Okay, sometimes.
    I would also point out to you that it was not I, but your very own SF who so aptly characterized that Red Sox chant in his “Letter from Fenway” post last April. To quote:
    “Yankees Suck”? Can’t we do better than that? I hate the Yankees, but that cheer is tired, unfunny, and inarticulate.
    We couldn’t have said it better ourselves.

    YF February 20, 2005, 11:25 am
  • Nick February 20, 2005, 4:11 pm
  • I’m hardly obsessed with A-Rod, but I am loving this. Why? Because it’s hilarious. It is unendingly funny that Alex, widely regarded as the best player in baseball (and of course the richest), and the best shortstop since Honus Wagner and maybe the best ever, is still so desperate to establish himself or find acceptance or whatever that he not only would resort to a lame bush-league tactic to avoid getting tagged out, but sadly and pathetically to be incapable of even admitting it… that’s great. Just today he called it “a brilliant play.” It’s classic.

    Steve Brady February 21, 2005, 11:28 am
  • all you guys who says crap about a rod are just jeaolous because the sox could not get him so stop criticazing when he is a better player then variteq and nixon both together

    vicente July 25, 2005, 2:55 pm

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