Sabathia’s season looking a lot like his Cy Young season two years ago. If not for Zach Greinke, it would probably be another one.
No question Sabathia is having a great year, but his slow start coupled with a few inconsistent stretches would probably derail him for the Cy Young. Greinke has been fantastic pretty much wire-to-wire, while Sabathia has only *really* turned it on in the last couple of months.
Here’s my problem with the Greinke candidacy:
Who has he pitched against?
Not the Yankees.
Not the Sox.
Not even the Twins.
Against the Rays and Jays?
4 GS, 24 IP, 33 hits, 27 K, 9 BB, 5.25 ERA
Basically he’s dominated the White Sox, Indians, and Tigers in fully half of his starts.
There’s a very good chance he could win the Cy Young pitching just two games (of 32 or 33) against playoff teams. CC has pitched 3 games against the Sox alone.
“except for Greinke”
Felix may have a quibble with that statement.
It’s a good argument Rob, though to carry it all the way through, you’d then have to compare the line-up that supports Greinke’s starts with the one that supports CC’s. That is, if it’s primarily W-L record that you’re considering. The KC line-up is a AAA one at best when compared to the Yankees’ hitters. Also, compiling a sub-2.20 ERA is phenomenal even against the opponents you cite. But yeah, it would be good to see more comparison of opponents in the CC-Greinke Cy race.
Is anybody gonna post about the O’s-Sox game?
Sox leading 3-0 in 1st inning
Hi you guys. Happy Sunday !!!!
Daisuke gives up a hit to Wieters but strikes out the side. 21 pitches, 16 of them for strikes!
Anyone ?…..Beuller ?….. Anyone ?……..
VMart extends his hitting streak to 19. 4-0 Sox!
Yeah, Goldie, I’m here. Not many others, though, it seems.
Youk almost hits one out, but Luke Scott catches it on the track.
Wow.. I signed off this for a while but I’m back.. Too nice a day in Boston to be inside. Or others are watching the Pats.
Dice gives up another two out single, but no runs. 40 pitches after two.
Wow … 40 is a lot. Hopefully he can start to conserve. Anyway the Rotation is in better shape than a month ago !!
What a face on Mike Lowell after the K
OMG STOP THE PRESSES !!!! VTEK GETS A SINGLE !!!!!!!
Rare single by Varitek.
AGon double. Varitek out of breath on third.
YAAAAHH BABY 6-0 !!!!!!!!
Groundrule double from Ells makes it 6-0. All hits with two out!
Infield single for Pedey.
At least Dice-K has a good lead to work with.
Yeah, Dice-K’s performance should be the most interesting aspect of the game from now on.
Pats are leading 9-3 at the half.
Nice DP
Good goin Dice K
PBE its been nice watching the game w/ you but I gotta go. Housework beckons. Yuck !
Dice-K three hits, no walks, 55 pitches after three. ERA down to 6.55.
Berken lasts only three innings for the O’s.
No. 35 for Jason Bay. 7-0 Sox. Bay absolutely smoked it.
Luke Scott homer makes it 7-2.
Im back … Oh oh DiceK’s getting hit on.
Good to see you back. Dice now at 77 pitches, 5 K’s, still no BB’s. All this after four.
ha ha, Rob agrees with Peter Gammons, a position I’m sure he loves to be in. It’s a sort of silly argument since Greinke will probably face the Red Sox and Yankees in the next two weeks anyway and we’ll know more then.
Aside from that, I’m outsourcing all my Greinke-for-Cy-Young arguments to http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/
Waters pitches the first 1-2-3 inning of the game.
Agreed, sw, that’s the place to go.
Dice K not being as frugal w/ his pitches as he was last game, but I can’t complain. I never expected him to come back in Sept and pitch fairly well.
Nice . One pitch pop out to Itzuris !
And no BBs yet. You go Dice K !!! We’re getin’ into high pitch count …and a double t Roberts. DOHHHH……
Dice-K at 94 pitches now. He hasn’t been nibbling that much but the O’s have fouled off an awful lot of pitches.
If he’s allowed to pitch the sixth he still can keep the streak of Red Sox starters not giving up more than three runs through six going.
Bases full of Sox, nobody out. Jason Bay coming up … pitching change.
And Jason gets hit … that’s one way to avoid the home run. 8-2 Sox.
Drew grounds one to first and the O’s force VMart at home. Then Lowell grounds into a double play and the threat quickly evaporates.
I’m glad this game is already close to out of reach and pretty meaningless regardless, because those Drew and Lowell ABs were very frustrating.
This just in: the Orioles suck.
Angels lead 9-5 at Texas. If this holds the Yankees can clinch a post-season berth later with a win at Seattle.
The Twins have taken a 2-1 lead against the Tigers. Normally I’d root for the Twins to catch the Tigers, but not this year since I believe Verlander has a chance to win two against the Yankees in the ALDS which would give the Tigers a pretty good chance in that series.
First walk allowed by Dice-K.
Dice loads the bases. Time to get him, Tito.
Why exactly is he still in there?
And Tito complies. Ramon Ramirez coming in.
Now the O’s load the bases. Arrgh. One inning too many for Dice-K.
Tigers up 3-2 at Minnesota now.
:: facepalm ::
Ramirez has Aubrey 0-2 and then walks him. 8-3 Sox.
DP ends the inning.
Meanwhile the Patriots look to be on their way to an embarassing loss.
And Jacoby goes deep to right!
4:50 left for the Pats. Should be enough to at least tie it, no?
No, not the way their offense is playing. Oh well, at least the Sox get to feast on the Os.
Is a 9-3 lead big enough to put in MDC to give him a chance to redeem himself?
Honestly, it’s been hard for me to get excited about the Pats this year after the double gut punch of the SB loss followed up by the Year Without Brady. I’m still rooting for them here, but I fully expect them to lose this game.
Sox are hacking now. It’s getaway day.
Oki to pitch the 8th.
I still haven’t forgiven the Patriots for that SB loss. And yeah, they lost today and deserved to lose.
I am glad for the Red Sox.
1-2-3 for Oki after another nice play from Pedroia.
Final at Arlington: Angels 10, Rangers 5.
Saito preserves the 9-3. Sox at .500 on the road. Magic number to clinch the wildcard down to 7.
It’s not just CC. Felix has started 12 games against the Twins, Rangers, and Angels. That to me gives him the edge. But let’s see Greinke do well against the Sox and Yanks. If he doesn’t, more voters should be asking questions about his “dominance”. And that’s not about the wins – it’s more about the K’s and ERA. If you’re pitching to weak hitting teams, like those of the AL Centr
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Sabathia’s season looking a lot like his Cy Young season two years ago. If not for Zach Greinke, it would probably be another one.
No question Sabathia is having a great year, but his slow start coupled with a few inconsistent stretches would probably derail him for the Cy Young. Greinke has been fantastic pretty much wire-to-wire, while Sabathia has only *really* turned it on in the last couple of months.
Here’s my problem with the Greinke candidacy:
Who has he pitched against?
Not the Yankees.
Not the Sox.
Not even the Twins.
Against the Rays and Jays?
4 GS, 24 IP, 33 hits, 27 K, 9 BB, 5.25 ERA
Basically he’s dominated the White Sox, Indians, and Tigers in fully half of his starts.
There’s a very good chance he could win the Cy Young pitching just two games (of 32 or 33) against playoff teams. CC has pitched 3 games against the Sox alone.
“except for Greinke”
Felix may have a quibble with that statement.
It’s a good argument Rob, though to carry it all the way through, you’d then have to compare the line-up that supports Greinke’s starts with the one that supports CC’s. That is, if it’s primarily W-L record that you’re considering. The KC line-up is a AAA one at best when compared to the Yankees’ hitters. Also, compiling a sub-2.20 ERA is phenomenal even against the opponents you cite. But yeah, it would be good to see more comparison of opponents in the CC-Greinke Cy race.
Is anybody gonna post about the O’s-Sox game?
Sox leading 3-0 in 1st inning
Hi you guys. Happy Sunday !!!!
Daisuke gives up a hit to Wieters but strikes out the side. 21 pitches, 16 of them for strikes!
Anyone ?…..Beuller ?….. Anyone ?……..
VMart extends his hitting streak to 19. 4-0 Sox!
Yeah, Goldie, I’m here. Not many others, though, it seems.
Youk almost hits one out, but Luke Scott catches it on the track.
Wow.. I signed off this for a while but I’m back.. Too nice a day in Boston to be inside. Or others are watching the Pats.
Dice gives up another two out single, but no runs. 40 pitches after two.
Wow … 40 is a lot. Hopefully he can start to conserve. Anyway the Rotation is in better shape than a month ago !!
What a face on Mike Lowell after the K
OMG STOP THE PRESSES !!!! VTEK GETS A SINGLE !!!!!!!
Rare single by Varitek.
AGon double. Varitek out of breath on third.
YAAAAHH BABY 6-0 !!!!!!!!
Groundrule double from Ells makes it 6-0. All hits with two out!
Infield single for Pedey.
At least Dice-K has a good lead to work with.
Yeah, Dice-K’s performance should be the most interesting aspect of the game from now on.
Pats are leading 9-3 at the half.
Nice DP
Good goin Dice K
PBE its been nice watching the game w/ you but I gotta go. Housework beckons. Yuck !
Dice-K three hits, no walks, 55 pitches after three. ERA down to 6.55.
Berken lasts only three innings for the O’s.
No. 35 for Jason Bay. 7-0 Sox. Bay absolutely smoked it.
Luke Scott homer makes it 7-2.
Im back … Oh oh DiceK’s getting hit on.
Good to see you back. Dice now at 77 pitches, 5 K’s, still no BB’s. All this after four.
ha ha, Rob agrees with Peter Gammons, a position I’m sure he loves to be in. It’s a sort of silly argument since Greinke will probably face the Red Sox and Yankees in the next two weeks anyway and we’ll know more then.
Aside from that, I’m outsourcing all my Greinke-for-Cy-Young arguments to http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/
Waters pitches the first 1-2-3 inning of the game.
Agreed, sw, that’s the place to go.
Dice K not being as frugal w/ his pitches as he was last game, but I can’t complain. I never expected him to come back in Sept and pitch fairly well.
Nice . One pitch pop out to Itzuris !
And no BBs yet. You go Dice K !!! We’re getin’ into high pitch count …and a double t Roberts. DOHHHH……
Dice-K at 94 pitches now. He hasn’t been nibbling that much but the O’s have fouled off an awful lot of pitches.
If he’s allowed to pitch the sixth he still can keep the streak of Red Sox starters not giving up more than three runs through six going.
Bases full of Sox, nobody out. Jason Bay coming up … pitching change.
And Jason gets hit … that’s one way to avoid the home run. 8-2 Sox.
Drew grounds one to first and the O’s force VMart at home. Then Lowell grounds into a double play and the threat quickly evaporates.
I’m glad this game is already close to out of reach and pretty meaningless regardless, because those Drew and Lowell ABs were very frustrating.
This just in: the Orioles suck.
Angels lead 9-5 at Texas. If this holds the Yankees can clinch a post-season berth later with a win at Seattle.
The Twins have taken a 2-1 lead against the Tigers. Normally I’d root for the Twins to catch the Tigers, but not this year since I believe Verlander has a chance to win two against the Yankees in the ALDS which would give the Tigers a pretty good chance in that series.
First walk allowed by Dice-K.
Dice loads the bases. Time to get him, Tito.
Why exactly is he still in there?
And Tito complies. Ramon Ramirez coming in.
Now the O’s load the bases. Arrgh. One inning too many for Dice-K.
Tigers up 3-2 at Minnesota now.
:: facepalm ::
Ramirez has Aubrey 0-2 and then walks him. 8-3 Sox.
DP ends the inning.
Meanwhile the Patriots look to be on their way to an embarassing loss.
And Jacoby goes deep to right!
4:50 left for the Pats. Should be enough to at least tie it, no?
No, not the way their offense is playing. Oh well, at least the Sox get to feast on the Os.
Is a 9-3 lead big enough to put in MDC to give him a chance to redeem himself?
Honestly, it’s been hard for me to get excited about the Pats this year after the double gut punch of the SB loss followed up by the Year Without Brady. I’m still rooting for them here, but I fully expect them to lose this game.
Sox are hacking now. It’s getaway day.
Oki to pitch the 8th.
I still haven’t forgiven the Patriots for that SB loss. And yeah, they lost today and deserved to lose.
I am glad for the Red Sox.
1-2-3 for Oki after another nice play from Pedroia.
Final at Arlington: Angels 10, Rangers 5.
Saito preserves the 9-3. Sox at .500 on the road. Magic number to clinch the wildcard down to 7.
It’s not just CC. Felix has started 12 games against the Twins, Rangers, and Angels. That to me gives him the edge. But let’s see Greinke do well against the Sox and Yanks. If he doesn’t, more voters should be asking questions about his “dominance”. And that’s not about the wins – it’s more about the K’s and ERA. If you’re pitching to weak hitting teams, like those of the AL Centr