Scheduling Demons Angels

By the way, it’s ridiculous that MLB would have the Yankees play a night game on the road before heading home to play the Red Sox while Boston last the day off and will be in New York resting.

LoHud calls the divison race over, and in the process elicits a question from this SF: want some cheese with that whine, Pete?  Schedule idiosyncracies happen for all teams, and while I understand the frustration with this week’s arrangement, every team has something to complain about.  Earlier this year the Sox went to the West Coast for a seven game trip, flying cross-country after a Sunday night affair (remember that A-Rod homer?), played the A’s the next night (and three more), went to Arizona for a weekend series, then flew back to Boston for a short six game homestand, then spent another nine games in Atlanta and the West Coast immediately thereafter.  That’s two west coast trips sandwiching a compact homestand, a ridiculous scheduling jobSurely that’s a worse fate than having a Monday night game before a Tuesday night game while your opponent gets a day off, it may have even been something I mentioned as unfair way back when.  But in the end, has it really mattered?

The point is that complaining about the schedule is like complaining about pitching matchups (boo hoo, we had to face Erik Bedard while they got Steve Trachsel!-type stuff): every team has a complaint at one given moment but in the end most things simply even out.  Now go out and ruin that bullpen tomorrow night, Joe!

85 comments… add one
  • you guys have complained about similar stuff sf, so it goes both ways…i agree with you though, scheduling quirks [partly because of rainouts and the dreaded inter-league play] are just part of the game, as are blown calls by the umpires, injuries, blah, blah, blah…the yankees are toast, and this little scheduling blip makes no difference…glad to see you’re back from the edge and enjoying this…i’d be rubbing it in too…

    dc August 26, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • me thinks pete may have a cheesewheel with that whine

    Ric August 26, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • From June 15-July 2, the Red Sox played five series.
    1. In Boston
    2. In Atlanta
    3. In San Diego
    4. In Seattle
    5. In Boston
    And the poor Yankees have to play a game before *gasp* playing another game!

    Paul SF August 26, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Not that I’m saying the Sox have had it worse, mind you (though three West Coast trips? Ughhh). Just that it seems strange in this day and age to make not havng an off-day be your big gripe with the schedulemakers. If nothing else, I’m sure the Yankees have had more egregious scheduling than that to complain about this season.

    Paul SF August 26, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • Ack! Triple-posting. Sorry! But I just noticed the paragraph you quote is mysteriously no longer on LoHud, SF. Hmmm…

    Paul SF August 26, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • “The point is that complaining about the schedule is like complaining about pitching matchups”
    Actually you are more right than you know. Complaining about having comparably fewer off-days prior to each RS/Yanks series this year is exactly like complaining about pitching matchups because off-days allow the resting team to shuffle pitchers if they want to, not to mention rest their bullpen. But you’re right…what comes around tends to go around on scheduling blips, so I will stop saying the RS day off before 3 of their 6 series vs. the Yankees this year (compared to the Yanks day off before only one of those series) gives them no advantage whatsoever.

    IronHorse (yf) August 26, 2007, 11:48 pm
  • “…Not that I’m saying the Sox have had it worse, mind you (though three West Coast trips? Ughhh)….”
    uh, actually paul, that’s exactly what you said…twice
    i’m surprised sox fans haven’t found some reason to complain about the day off…like, “we’re hot and on a roll, now we might cool off and not be as sharp”…
    i’m more concerned about the yanks ability to recuperate from the marathon game in detroit the other night, especially after losing it…i’m sure we’ve all lost a fair amount of sleep at times, and you all know that crappy feeling you have for a few days afterward…but whatever, they [yanks] just need to suck it up and start playing some better ball…there’s still a wild card at stake…

    dc August 27, 2007, 7:19 am
  • Ironhorse, I’m looking at the schedules right now and the only time earlier this year the Sox had a day off before a Yankee series was May 31, before the games on June 1, 2 and 3. The Yankees also had May 31 off.
    The Red Sox had 10 games scheduled consecutively before the April 20-21-22 series, 17 consecutive games before the April 27-28-29 series, and played 5 games in 4 days before the May 21-22-23 series. Am I missing something?

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 7:51 am
  • Sidenote: that one Yankee game against the Orioles (where it should have been called-off while the Orioles were ahead, but they let the Yankees bat and take the lead anyways before calling it) was pretty skewed. That evens things out, right? ;-)

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 7:56 am
  • however… abraham is indeed right about one thing:
    the sox are taking the division.
    the yankees look as though they might not be able to catch the mariners.
    (the mariners?!?)
    i’m glad they were able to make the 2nd half of the season interesting, though. in late may it looked as though all hope was lost.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 8:36 am
  • Speaking of schedules, though, the Mariners have a pretty unenviable one for the rest of the season. Not just Yankees, but also Angles, Indians, Tigers.

    Ron Newman August 27, 2007, 9:17 am
  • The only scheduling abnormality that I really do not feel is fair is the total lack of “get away days” for the yankees. Todays game should be a day game, if it were any other team (except maybe the sox) it would be. Home teams like to keep the yankees games at night to make the money. The post below shows that this doesnt “even out” over the course of the year. That said, it really shouldnt effect professional athletes too much.
    http://www.pinstripealley.com/story/2007/8/22/185152/889

    Sam-YF August 27, 2007, 9:37 am
  • Atheose:
    May 31, August 27, and September 13 are all scheduled off-days for the Sox immediately preceding series with the Yankees. By comparison, the Yankees got May 31 off.
    I am not saying that scheduling, like bad calls, doesn’t end up getting spread around evenly over time. It does. Just not this year. Having a day off before 3 of the 6 season series against the Yankees is pretty friendly to the Sox.

    IronHorse-YF August 27, 2007, 9:43 am
  • Oh, my bad Ironhorse. For some reason I didn’t think about the future series, and thought you were speaking solely about the past. Thanks for pointing it out ;-)
    I suppose you’re right, epecially considering how overused the Yankee bullpen has been this season. Here’s the silver lining for you though: it shouldn’t make much of a difference in the overall standings. Unless one team can pull off a sweep, not much is going to change either way. If the Yankees win 2 of 3 they still only gain 1 game in the standings, which would put them either 6 or 7 games back (depending on whether or not they win today).

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 9:53 am
  • Atheose,
    Lest you think I raise this as sour grapes now that the Yankees are so far back, I was in fact more annoyed about it when the schedules first came out. The very reason you give for it not mattering much (late in the season and the Sox have what looks like an insurmountable lead) was exactly what annoyed me about it early on – the two “extra” days off that the Sox had scheduled were in the last two series of the year, when the race heats up and the two teams are usually battling it out for every game.
    Alas, it doesn’t bug me so much now because, as you gently point out (thanks for that), I don’t think we are coming back from 7 (or 8) back regardless, but I still react to it being ignored by some sfs who would rightfully be pissed if the scheduling of off days were reversed.
    And do I get extra points for using “Lest” and “Alas” in the same post – or do I get banned from this blog for life…

    IronHorse-YF August 27, 2007, 10:01 am
  • “as you gently pointed out (thanks for that)”
    Don’t get me wrong Ironhorse, on Yankee Elimination Day I will be jumping up and down and joyously typing (in all caps) how much the Yankees suck and how glorious their demise was. Until then, however, I don’t mind keeping my tone neutral.
    If our situation was reversed, I would probably be equally angry at such a schedule. Being on the benificial side of it, however, I am glad that it will not make the difference in the season.

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 10:07 am
  • i bet the Yanks and RedSox both have the same amount of offdays in a season minus make up games. the yanks had an offday on thursday when the sox were scheduled to play (giving the yanks a chance to set up matchups if they desired) complaining about offdays before specific team matchups seems fairly silly.

    Ric August 27, 2007, 10:31 am
  • YFIB,
    I think you are too pessimisic. The Yankees are coming off the hardest 3-week schedule of any team in the league and are still 2 back of Seattle in the WC race.
    Seattle recently started the kind of schedule the Yankees are about to finish. The Mariners play 44 games in the final 45 days of the season, including plenty vs. LAA, Detroit, Cleveland, and the Yankees.
    If I were betting I would take the Yankees to win the WC, and I am pretty sure I would do it even if I weren’t the Yankee fan that I am.

    IronHorse-YF August 27, 2007, 10:32 am
  • Ric, You don’t set up pitching matchups a full series early. Off days are only wortwhile for the series they precede. It is not a contestable issue – that is a fact. Ask any manager whether he would prefer to have an off day immediately before a tough series or a full week earlier.
    We needn’t give the scheduling as a reason for the Yankees position in standings and I don’t think anyone here is. But let’s not ignore reality people.

    IronHorse-YF August 27, 2007, 10:35 am
  • IH-YF, i hope that you’re right, however the yankees will need better performances out of their starting pitchers if that is to happen.
    i’m speaking in generalities, not specifically of hughes, who shouldn’t have to carry the team on his shouders.
    mussina & clemens, on the other hand… and wang needs to keep doing whatever he was doing his last time out.
    i’d love to be proven wrong and i hope that you’re right. we’ll see.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 10:45 am
  • YFIB,
    Agreed on all counts, but as it is the Mariners we are competing with, I take some comfort in knowing that their starting rotation has no dominating starters either and includes Jeff Weaver (6-10, 5.51 ERA) and Horacio Ramierz (8-4, 6.67 ERA).
    Anyway, as you say, we shall see…

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 10:54 am
  • oh, but jeff weaver thrives under the spotlight of big games… remember last october?
    heh…
    that was just fun to type.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 10:56 am
  • Francona tried to set up his matchups with the Yanks last week.

    Ric August 27, 2007, 11:14 am
  • Did he also rest his bullpen a week ago for the series starting tomorrow?

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 11:15 am
  • I think the scheduling thing is a bit overblown. All teams play the same teams, and normally, the same number of days off. Every team get some time period in the year when things are harder or easier for them. Remember the last month when NY was afforded the luxury of a complete month of what seemed to be 23 games against KC, while the Sox were playing a pretty rough schedule? The Yanks made huge moves even though the Red Sox were playing good baseball.
    I do believe that NY will overtake Seattle for the WC, but it aint happening this week!

    Brad August 27, 2007, 11:24 am
  • would the same outrage be here if the sox were playing like crap and the tigers were the better team they were in the beginning of the season?

    Ric August 27, 2007, 11:31 am
  • regardless of the AL race, i will still be rooting for the brewers to make it to the playoffs. not only because of the young and talented roster they have over there, but because i will giggle, knowing that thousands of people will be literally wetting themselves.
    http://peeyourpantsforthebrewers.com/
    i am a child.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 11:32 am
  • To be clear, I have not argued that the Yankees have a harder schedule in general – I haven’t given it much thought frankly because I agree that these things tend to balance out so yes, it gets overblown.
    I raised a very specific issue which I was more annoyed about at the start of the season: That of the 6 series that the Yanks and RS play against each other, the RS had a scheduled day off before 3 of those series, including the last two in August and Sept when the division race tends to heat up. That’s all – and no, that is not somethign that tends to balance out. If there is a SF out there who can honestly say they wouldn’t have been bothered by the same in reverse, I’d like to hear it, but I frankly don’t think I’d believe you anyway.

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 11:33 am
  • Ric:
    1. Not exactly outrage here but nice try. I raised a specific annoyance that I said was strongest at the start of the season based on how the RS and Yanks tend to battle out toward the end of the season.
    2. Responding with an argument that says schedules tend to even out is missing the point because I was not talking about schedules in general terms. I do believe they even out. But 3 days off before Yanks-RS series does not equal 1 day off. It is an advantage for the Sox, puer and simple. Admitting it doesn’t change anything for you. It is not the reason that Yankees are 7.5 games back. It is something that might be reversed next year, in which case I look forward to you saying it’s no big deal – tha you’d gladly give the Yankees a day off before all 6 RS-Yanks series while the RS play doublheaders befor each.
    3. Please do let me know how Francona managed to rest that bullpen 7 days ago for a series that starts tomorrow. I’m sure other managers would love to learn the lesson.

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 11:40 am
  • Anyone else think it odd that Pete removed the gripe? I’d be curious as to why…
    i’m surprised sox fans haven’t found some reason to complain about the day off…like, “we’re hot and on a roll, now we might cool off and not be as sharp”…
    Hehe, dc, I’ve actually almost posted that very thing a couple times. Which is all the more reason why these things tend to even out…

    Paul SF August 27, 2007, 11:42 am
  • “Please do let me know how Francona managed to rest that bullpen 7 days ago for a series that starts tomorrow. I’m sure other managers would love to learn the lesson.”
    there surely was speculation that tito shuffled wakefield and tavares to both get wakefield in tampa and line up the pitchers for new york and i remember it was sort of questioned becasue wakefield would be missed in NY and he is arguably one of the top 3 on the staff. its quite clear that i never said anything about the bullpen, so asking the same question twice doesnt change the fact that youre asking me to defend a statement i never made.

    Ric August 27, 2007, 12:05 pm
  • im meant shuffled for the Angels series btw- 3 series ago

    Ric August 27, 2007, 12:08 pm
  • Ric,
    I feel you are starting to be a bit disingeuous here. Yes, you never said anything about bullpens – THAT’S THE POINT.
    A day off before a series allows three things: 1. possible rotation shuffle; 2. bullpen rest, and 3. general rest/well-being of the position players.
    I’ve been making an extremely specific point about the fact – yes fact – that the RS having off days prior to half the series they play vs. the Yanks this year, while the Yanks have only one of those days off, benefits the Sox.
    You are arguing that this is not the case and are focusing on one of the 3 benefits of the off day (and making a pretty dubious argument on that one anyway – the Yankees had an off day prior to the 4-day series in Detroit that precedes Boston so they too could have shuffled their starters?) to prove your point. Just admit the advantage. It won’t hurt, I promise.

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 12:18 pm
  • For the first time in a long time the Yankees are playing catch up and now all of the excuses are starting to come out. The schedule is not our enemy, it’s our PITCHING. It doesn’t matter who we play or how much rest we have if our pitchers don’t pitch it doesn’t mean JACK. Single biggest game of the season takes place tonight. Mussina either wins back the confidence of his manager and the fans or he pretty much puts himself in quite a big hole with both.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 27, 2007, 12:20 pm
  • as long as mussina goes 9 innings, NYs bullpen will be equally rested ;)i just dont think schedulers should have to ensure that off days are created so that specific matchups get equal head to head off days. 3-1 in terms of off dats preceding bos/ny series is a slight advantage i guess, although probably miniscule in terms of a 162 game schedule.

    Ric August 27, 2007, 12:32 pm
  • Ric,
    Thanks – and I agree with you that this should not be whjat schedulers look to do. I just don’t like how it worked out this particular year. However, as you have graciously acknowledged some advantage for the Sox, I will (re)state the larger issue, which Trisk also hammers home: this is not why we are so far back in the RS rear-view mirrors and that – more than scheduling or anything else – is what has me riled up.
    And if Mussina goes 9, I’ll send the schedulers flowers…

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 12:38 pm
  • If Mussina goes 9 I will name my child due in November Moose. You can put that in writing! LOL

    John - YF (Trisk) August 27, 2007, 1:30 pm
  • “The Red Sox outscored the White Sox 46-7 over four games. The 1919 Black Sox tried harder. That’s a disgrace.”
    Pete Abe, again with the whining. Did he complain when the Yankees were brutalizing teams, that their opponents made disgraceful efforts? Seriously, is Pete a sportswriter or a twelve-year-old fan?

    SF August 27, 2007, 1:35 pm
  • “If Mussina goes 9 I will name my child due in November Moose.”
    hilarious. if you could actually get your other half to agree to that, you’d be my hero.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 1:39 pm
  • Worse, the title of that thread that the quote above is pulled from is “White Sox take a pass on competing”, as if Pete knows that the Chisox mailed it in. The final two games of the series were tight until the fifth inning, when the White Sox starters (Buerhle and Vazquez, both fine players) came undone, and the White Sox bullpen, which is horrible (and had been stretched in the first two games), came into play. The Sox have the league’s best record, the White Sox one of the worst. But of course it was because the White Sox didn’t try, not because one team is simple better.
    Can’t Pete do better than this? Who is he, Murray Chass?

    SF August 27, 2007, 1:40 pm
  • SF, don’t listen to PA. It’s nonsense. The Yankees can’t win games, that should be the main concern, not whether or not team X is playing hard or not. If you win, you don’t have to worry about anything else.
    YFIB, stay tuned because if the baby is a boy he will have a very Yankee name…I have an awesome wife!

    John - YF (Trisk) August 27, 2007, 1:46 pm
  • “…and now all of the excuses are starting to come out…”
    right on trisk…i’ve been trying to say essentially the same thing for some time now [you are more eloquent than i]…you won’t hear any excuses from me…the yankees simply haven’t played a solid season of baseball…the flashes of competence just haven’t been enough…we knew the bullpen and rotation had a number of question marks going in, with or without the injuries early on, so the plan didn’t work, and that’s how it goes in baseball…the last thing i want to see is my fellow yf’s making excuses like the sf’s did last year…we’ll just have to suck it up, shake it off, and move on…and this may sound wierd, but i’d rather not make the playoffs at all than to squeak in as the wild card, getting my hopes up, only to be unceremoniously dumped in the first round again…we’ll have to start playing a whole lot better again before i can get too excited about the playoffs…

    dc August 27, 2007, 1:47 pm
  • Yankee name…I have an awesome wife!
    You are naming your kid “Betemit”? Wow!
    (or is it “Shelley”?)

    SF August 27, 2007, 1:48 pm
  • Most names have a ring to them…this name has 4 rings and a scent…
    That’s all I’m saying boys.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 27, 2007, 1:49 pm
  • this name has 4 rings and a scent
    “Dirty Toilet Bowl”?
    Weird name, Trisk.

    SF August 27, 2007, 1:51 pm
  • Trisk. Never talk to me again if you name your child Derek. Or Jeter. Or Captain. Or anything like that.

    Brad August 27, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • As the kids would say SF, I am LMAO. Very funny.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 27, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • SF,
    Don’t pay any attention to Pete Abe, it will only raise your bloodpressure. At least that’s what it does to me.
    Pete’s jealous that we have quality starting pitchers, and saying that the White Sox didn’t even try is insulting both to Chicago and Boston. the White Sox made a lot of sportscenter-worthy plays during the series–it’s not like they were snoozing on the field.
    I suppose when the Yankees won 6 of 7 from the Royals last month Pete would say the Royals “took a pass on competing” too.

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • Trisk. Never talk to me again if you name your child Derek. Or Jeter. Or Captain. Or anything like that.
    Also, what will you do if he ends up being traded, or finishes somewhere else? Ugh. Too much risk there. My friend still has a dog named Nomar. Something to think about. I told him this weekend to name it Kielty! ha.

    Brad August 27, 2007, 1:57 pm
  • Aww Trisk, you’re naming your child after the Red Sox pitcher who clinched the 2004 ALCS against the Yankees? That’s sweet of you!

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 1:57 pm
  • it ain’t worth looking up, but i seem to remember the yankees humbling the chisox a few times this year…i don’t remember hearing red sox fans say that ozzie’s boys weren’t trying…

    dc August 27, 2007, 1:57 pm
  • DC, I hear what you are saying re: slinking in and out of playoffs, but if the Yankees get in as the WC and have Wang and Pettitte as their top two with Clemens as # 3, don’t you think they have a serious shot? I do.

    Anonymous August 27, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • LoHud makes me feel better about myself on a daily basis. I read the comments section, and suddenly, I feel as if I know more about baseball than any other human being on this planet. ha.

    Brad August 27, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • how ’bout naming the baby after a future yankee:
    johan
    ;)

    dc August 27, 2007, 1:59 pm
  • Anon, normally I would agree, but it’ll most likely be LAA waiting in LA for the Yankees to get there, so no.

    Brad August 27, 2007, 2:00 pm
  • Name the kid Philip Joba Franchise.

    Brad August 27, 2007, 2:01 pm
  • “…don’t you think they have a serious shot?…”
    i’ve just lost confidence in their ability to string together victories, anon…

    dc August 27, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • I hate the thought of that, dc!

    Brad August 27, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • “My friend still has a dog named Nomar. Something to think about. I told him this weekend to name it Kielty! ha.”
    Oh yeah there’s a player with staying power! Maybe I will consider naming the baby after Ron Villone or Sean Henn!
    I cannot confirm or deny the name will be Derek if it’s a boy. It has not been released to the family, so releasing it here will just be flat out wrong.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 27, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • congrats, john.
    on both the growing family and the keeper of a wife.
    if i may be so bold as to suggest a few yankee names for you:
    scooter
    lefty (and i recommend duct taping his right arm to his body for the first couple of years… yes, it might seem cruel a first, but once he starts tossing that southpaw heat, you’ll thank me.)
    yogi
    “bye bye”
    whitey (which could easily be ironic if necessary.)
    alvaro
    you are welcome.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • i don’t remember hearing red sox fans say that ozzie’s boys weren’t trying…
    dc: I know that the SoSHers complain about teams “rolling over” for the Yankees (which is a totally ridiculous charge), but I definitely haven’t seen beat writers doing it.

    SF August 27, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • Anon was me DC – don’t know why the screen-name dropped. I’d rather see Pettitte/Wang/Clemens try to take LA than to not even have the shot. I hate how much that team now owns us.

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 2:07 pm
  • i will start by saying that i don’t agree with mr. abraham on this one. no excuses should be made.
    however, at least this was on his blog (which i believe is intended for less formal writing) and not in one of his his articles.
    again, this isn’t meant to fully absolve him, but most columnists have editorial miscues at some point or another. pick up a paper, turn to the sports section. you’ll find one. or more.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 2:10 pm
  • When a team 18 games under .500 is outscored 46 – 7 in a 4 game series, it’s not an outlandish assumption to say they mailed it in. Please. Since they dropped below KC in the standings, I’m sure they only want this season to be over ASAP.
    “i don’t remember hearing red sox fans say that ozzie’s boys weren’t trying…”
    Because the white sox won a game in each of the 2 most recent series with the yanks, in june and early aug, maybe?

    Anonymous August 27, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • Apparently, Pete is in the habit of deleting his editorial miscues once he realizes how bad they sound (witness the removal of the scheduling complaint).
    For a non-Yankee fan, Pete Abe sure is sounding a heckuva lot like a whiny Yankee fan.

    Paul SF August 27, 2007, 2:26 pm
  • Aside from the ‘pen, which is a legitimate concern for YFs, is there any comfort in the fact that, if the Yanks had an off-day today, Mussina would be pitching against the Sox tomorrow? And now it’s Pettitte. See. It all works out. (Okay, maybe not all.)
    And hey, speaking of scheduling snafus, didn’t the Yankees have 3 games against the Pirates at home in an AL East – NL West year, skipping the Padres completely? I mean. Was there a post about this? (I’m asking this legitimately, I have no idea.)

    QuoSF August 27, 2007, 2:31 pm
  • ” a whiny Yankee fan.”
    Sorry, Paul, but after all the whining around here from sf’s last year about “the injuries, the injuries, my god, the injuries…” this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    Andrews August 27, 2007, 2:34 pm
  • Why are we even discussing the schedule – like many have said, it all evens out – it doesn’t matter.

    Andrews August 27, 2007, 2:35 pm
  • Andrews, Paul is a fan, Pete is a beat writer. I think it’s fair to say there are both different expectations and different standards, rightfully so. If Gordon Edes wrote something similar and I saw it, you’d be damn sure he’d get called on it. On the other hand, we don’t typically post about a random commenter at LoHUD complaining about the schedule, or cite SoSHers who bitch about the Yankees’ opposition “rolling over”, for good reason.

    SF August 27, 2007, 2:38 pm
  • There’s a difference between whining about your players and whining about how things “aren’t fair”. For instance, there’s nothing wrong with Yankee fans whining about Pavano and Mussina. But when Yankees fans start pulling out “our schedule is rigged! It’s a conspiracy” and whatnot, that’s different.
    Plus, last year the Red Sox had an implosion of injuries. That’s whining out of frustration, not whining that things aren’t fair.

    Atheose August 27, 2007, 2:38 pm
  • for a while, there were complaints (not necessarily here, but they were definitely being voiced in “red sox nation”… god, i can’t believe i just typed that) that the yankees’ spending habits made things unfair.
    that went on for years.
    no team’s fans’ hands are ever completely clean in these kinds of situations. everyone is guilty at some point.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 3:03 pm
  • Agreed, YFiB.

    SF August 27, 2007, 3:09 pm
  • The difference, of course, is that Pete isn’t a fan. He’s a beat writer, complaining like a fan. Surely of all people he’d know how scheduels are created, and that sometimes bad teams have even worse series. Instead, he chose to whine about how the schedulemakers are hurting the Yanekes and how the ChiSox mailed it in. Pretty sad.
    When a team 18 games under .500 is outscored 46 – 7 in a 4 game series, it’s not an outlandish assumption to say they mailed it in.
    I guess we can stop giving credit to the Yankees for that five-game sweep last year then. It was clear the Sox were just mailing it in.

    Paul SF August 27, 2007, 3:23 pm
  • Paul I dont see how you can compare the two series. The Red sox deserve credit for doing what they needed to do last weekend but I dont think its a stretch to say the pale hose werent playing their at their hardest.

    Sam-YF August 27, 2007, 3:28 pm
  • I somehow managed to not see any of the nine games in question, Sam. But the basis of the argument I was responding to was that if you look at the scores, and the fact thatteam had had some modicum of success, you could tell they were mailing it in when they got crushed in a series. By that standard, the Red Sox — who had had more success than the ChiSox and were beaten roughly the same in even more games — were obviously mailers.

    Paul SF August 27, 2007, 3:30 pm
  • Well, if the White Sox players aren’t mailing it in, at least their owner is:
    “I don’t like to wish days away,” Reinsdorf said. “But it will be nice when it’s over so we can start playing for next year.”
    – Jerry Reinsdorf in an interview with 670-AM three days ago (Friday)

    IronHorse (yf) August 27, 2007, 3:44 pm
  • it is amazing that he felt that statement was acceptable. didn’t a group of fans (nationals?)(pirates?) stage a walk out this year? if i lived in chicago, i’d be willing to pull that on this guy.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 4:03 pm
  • South Side Sox posted a pair of quotes from the same interview in which Reinsdorf praised both Guillen for working hard with the players he had despite the players’ poor performance, and Williams for getting such good players.
    I mean, come on.

    Paul SF August 27, 2007, 4:15 pm
  • some people should avoid interviews.
    that is some funny stuff, though. unbelievable.

    Yankee Fan In Boston August 27, 2007, 4:29 pm
  • “we can stop giving credit to the Yankees for that five-game sweep last year then. It was clear the Sox were just mailing it in.”
    Paul, that’s a serious reach:
    The red sox were 1.5 games out on August 17, 2006, a day before that 5 game series began; the white sox were 14 out before this weekends’ games.
    You’re trying to say the red sox “mailed it in” when they were only a game and a half back? You’ve got to be joking?
    “He’s a beat writer, complaining like a fan.”
    But the complaint was posted on his blog
    (and taken down, when he came to his senses),not in his newspaper. To me that’s more excusable.
    Again, I don’t agree with him

    Andrews August 27, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • and taken down, when he came to his senses
    If he’s a blogger, then he should follow the etiquette of blogging, which isn’t to erase a dumb post. It’s to strike it through and explain why you made a dumb post or just leave it there and explain it later on. Even we hacks at YFSF don’t erase our own mistakes, we leave them up their in their (sometimes embarrassing) glory.

    SF August 27, 2007, 5:29 pm
  • For example, we’ll leave SF’s embarrassing misuse of there/they’re/their in the previous comment. har! I only say that because I make a zillion typoes per comment anyway.
    Not only is simply removing the post a violation of blog ettiquete, it’s a violation of journalistic ethics, which require a printed correction of any incorrect data. This extends to print blogs, and you’ll notice that Slate, for example, will correct incorrect information in its blogs/articles, and place an asterisk, explaining the correction below the story. They never simply delete whole paragraphs because that practice (deservedly) erases mounds of credibility in the minds of readers.

    Paul SF August 27, 2007, 5:55 pm
  • I’ll defer to you on journalistic ethics, of course, and I guess it would have been better if he posted a retraction – ” I’ve been without proper sleep, etc, instead of just deleting.

    Andrews August 27, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • Sorry about the typo. I was going to erase it but then thaught bettor uf itt. ;-)

    SF August 27, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • So “dark cloud of this site,” you’re going to stop complaining now? Or this is more, Do as I say, not as SFs do?

    ugh August 27, 2007, 9:58 pm

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