Sheff for Cameron?!?

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It seems the Post, has given over its entire front cover to crazy talk today, though we will restrict ourselves to that banner headline at the top. A Sheff-Cameron swap would be a sweet deal for the Mets, but we fail to see a net benefit for the Yankees (big improvement in center, yes, but a massive production plunge in right), unless there are some significant spare parts involved. Whatever the case, you can bet Joel Sherman is about to have his Buddy Pass revoked, big time.

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  • if this happens, I will stop defending Cashman. Brad, mattymatty, SF, and all those colorful characters from RSN can take any shot they’d like.

    Nick June 29, 2005, 11:15 am
  • The Yanks would do better to trade prospects for a Randy Wynne-type. Oh, wait, they don’t have any prospects.
    Meanwhile, the Red Sox have a Keith Foulke problem, and it’s only getting worse. Is this really the same guy who got some of the gutsiest outs ever recorded in a Boston uniform in the ALCS?

    MJL in L.A. June 29, 2005, 12:47 pm
  • Foulke has been awful. He has neither velocity, deception nor location, three requirements to be a successful pitcher. Its hard to believe he was The Man last October.
    Speaking of things that are hard to believe, I can’t believe that the Yankees are stupid enough to trade Sheffield for Cameron. Last year the Red Sox traded Nomar and picked up some defense in return, which must be what the Yankees are thinking about doing. An important point however is that Nomar wasn’t an integral part of the Sox offense at that point. Sheffield and A-Rod Are the Yankees offense. I just can’t believe that they’d do something so dumb.

    mattymatty June 29, 2005, 1:29 pm
  • I called for Mike Timlin to be slotted into the closer role while Foulke works things out (or gets healthy) a couple of weeks ago. I stand by my call (though not the “or Matt Mantei” part of it). The Sox need closing help. How about Arroyo, when Schilling comes back? He’s got the stones…

    SF June 29, 2005, 1:35 pm
  • A Phillies fan just emailed me in frustration saying the Phillies should start trading off their commodities because they’re not going anywhere this year (his words). How great would Billy Wagner look in a Red Sox jersey?

    mattymatty June 29, 2005, 2:00 pm
  • Timlin nails down today’s save. Who knows if this is a change of roles, or just a rest day for Foulke before Terry trots him out again (he threw a ton of pitches last night). That’s a nice win.

    SF June 29, 2005, 4:05 pm
  • MJL in L.A – Your absolute lack of understanding about the Yankee farm system while making such a comment is appaling. The Yankees have two bonafide cheap major leaguers – Wang and Cano and two prospects any team would like to have – Eric Duncan and especially Philip Hughes, and with the recent drafting and signing of CJ Henry and Austin Jackson, the Yankees system is far from being bone dry. Oh, but wait, you know it all.

    MJL Who Knows It All June 29, 2005, 4:35 pm
  • In fact, the Yankees system is nearly bone dry – if the team has to trade two STARTERS from their major league roster (which is what Cano and Wang are, you surely know), or their two absolutely best prospects in order to procure an aging talent (for the sake of this hypothesis let’s call him “Randy Wynn”, though it could be someone like Kotsay, or Cameron), then the system is by all objective standards maybe not “bone dry” but at least “hurting badly”. And what do the Yankees do if they trade either Cano or Wang? Who gets slotted in to the rotation as their #3 guy (which is what Wang is at the moment)? Jaret Wright? You happy about that possibility? And who plays 2nd? Are you back to that stud Womack? How does that make you feel? Is Wright + Womack + “Randy Wynn” the formula for recovery? Are the Yankees’ troubles that simple? The Yankees are most definitely in something of a bind, and that’s because their farm system DOES lack depth, and that lack of depth will be exacerbated by a trade involving anyone on their current major league roster. MJL is mostly right.
    P.S. I think the Yankees should go after Lance Berkman. He was hurt in the offseason and pissed off the Astros organization in the process, he’s not really a “franchise” player, the Astros stink, and maybe the Yanks could take him on for prospects as opposed to everyday talent since the ‘Stros should be looking to retool. The only problem might be his position – he’s started to play more first, which obviously doesn’t work. If he’s an everyday outfielder, that’s a different story.
    P.P.S. to the last commenter: I am deleting your email address, since it’s not real, and it’s not funny. It has to be one of the two to stay up there. Keep it clean in the future, please.

    SF June 29, 2005, 5:27 pm
  • Sorry, I meant to say they’ll HAVE no prospects after Cashman deals them all away for the latest overpaid, overweight, and over-the-hill clubhouse cancer, in the finest Yankee tradition, of course.
    I will say this: It’s a miracle the Yanks’ farm system isn’t worse, given Captain Turtleneck’s penchant for depleting it every time the team hits a skid.
    And while I’ll give you Philip Hughes, would that be the same Eric Duncan who’s been hitting in the .230 range in Double-A while making 20 (not a misprint) errors? I’d cut the kid (and he is just a kid) some slack if it weren’t for all the Yankee fans who keep touting him as the next Mike Schmidt.
    Maybe someday, and almost certainly for another team. And that is exactly my point.

    MJL in L.A. June 29, 2005, 5:44 pm
  • looks like something might be in the doing involving Melky Cabrera. They did a Dustin Pedroia and promoted him from AA to AAA. He’s batting .269 with 9 hr’s so it’s not like he was tearing up stuff at that level.

    Nick June 29, 2005, 6:24 pm
  • Nick, you jumped the gun on this one man. I will NOT crucify Cash for making this trade if it happens. You are obviously losing a major cog in the offense, and not to mention a brick wall of protection for A-Rod, but I think it’s a good move on part of the Yankees. They get younger in the OF, and still have mediocre power and average from the plate. Much like getting rid of Nomar, even though he was not a major offensive producer at the time, it was a move for defense – not to mention the fact that Nomar was probably not going to sign.
    All that being said, goodbye Sheff, HELLO Cameron!
    Also, I trade Shoppach and Payton, and Vazquez for Wagner right NOW!

    Brad-SF June 29, 2005, 9:38 pm
  • Nick, you jumped the gun on this one man. I will NOT crucify Cash for making this trade if it happens. You are obviously losing a major cog in the offense, and not to mention a brick wall of protection for A-Rod, but I think it’s a good move on part of the Yankees. They get younger in the OF, and still have mediocre power and average from the plate. Much like getting rid of Nomar, even though he was not a major offensive producer at the time, it was a move for defense – not to mention the fact that Nomar was probably not going to sign.
    All that being said, goodbye Sheff, HELLO Cameron!
    Also, I trade Shoppach and Payton, and Vazquez for Wagner right NOW!

    Brad-SF June 29, 2005, 9:39 pm
  • Still need bullpen and pitching help though, and I would not bet the farm on Cameron turing it around for you. It’s a great deal if the Yanks get Heilman or Koo in the deal as well as Cameron. Maybe the Yanks get Glavine as a spot starter for the time being?

    Brad-SF June 29, 2005, 9:40 pm
  • That’s nice Brad, but Cameron fills one hole (CF) but creates another (RF). The Nomar comparison seems wrong; he wasn’t a key to the Sox offense when he was dealt.

    YF June 29, 2005, 10:14 pm
  • Yeah, sorry for the double post. I agree YF, but I would imagine that Sheff for Cameron is such a lopsided trade, there has to be other components involved that are not being mentioned. There has to be another part of this that we are not aware of yet. Even Cashman, GS, Tampa, and a box of rocks are not that stupid. The Yanks obviously have something else on the table if they are even condsidering this trade.
    And while I did mention that little fact about Nomar, I still think both parties (Cubbies and Sox) knew the obvious potential and proven history of a MVP caliber offensive producer in Nomar. All Im saying is that when Nomar was traded, the Sox were risking losing what could be a major part of the offense to get better on D.

    Brad-SF June 29, 2005, 10:25 pm

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