Shocker: A-Rod Never Stopped Using

Please just go away Alex.

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  • No way he gets out of this one. No way.

    He will never sully our beloved Pinstripes again.

    Science be praised!

    krueg January 29, 2013, 11:40 am
  • Olney says that MLB, if they have proof of his violation, could suspend him for 50 or even 100 games. He then went on to say that the Yankees may decide he’s done – exploring every legal avenue to reduce the $114 million due to him over the next 5 years, but possibly even just swallowing it all given that he is both not producing and is continuing to bring unwanted attention and distractions. I can’t imagine that the CBA gives the Yankees – or any time – much leeway at all to get out from under contractual agreements, so if there is any merit to what Buster is saying, I’d have to assume it would mean the Yankees swallow the rest of that contract whole. They made their bed – might as well sleep in it now. Frankly, anything that makes him go away is most welcome to me.

    IronHorse - YF January 29, 2013, 2:52 pm
  • Exactly. As long as he never sullies the Pinstripes again, fine with me. Here is another article that echoes what you said IH, looks like there may be no way out of his albatross, I mean contract…

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8894904/alex-rodriguez-contract-attempting-voided-new-york-yankees-according-sources

    krueg January 29, 2013, 5:19 pm
  • On a personal note, my wife is graduating in June…we finally get to leave Memphis. No more living in the Confederacy!!!

    Science be praised.

    krueg January 29, 2013, 5:20 pm
  • Congratulations to Mrs. Krueg. Where to now?

    Thanks for the link to that article. I think the bottom line is that the Yankees are screwed. And that they have no one to blame but themselves. Enjoy your final year(s) with the Yankees Mariano, Pettitte, and Jeter – all while answering questions about the single biggest fraud in the history of the game…with the possible exception of Barry Bonds.

    IronHorse - YF January 29, 2013, 7:35 pm
  • That’s awesome, krueg. I echo IH’s question: where y’all going?

    Devine January 29, 2013, 8:25 pm
  • She is hoping to get a post-doc at NIH in Frederick, MD so keep your fingers crossed! I am trying to convince my employer to let me work remotely since I work with the Gov’t. If you guys know anyone in that area that needs an Implementation Project Manager, let me know!!!

    Oh, and MAD Yankee games in Baltimore!!!

    Yep. The Yankees have no one to blame but themselves for this. I have to give Cashman a pass too, he is widely reported as NOT wanting to re-sign the dick. But hey, as long as he never plays for us again, I’m good. They have plenty of money, plus insurance on him. It’s not like we haven’t spent enough at the Stadium anyway IH!!! $500 the last game I went too between tix and drinks!

    krueg January 29, 2013, 9:20 pm
  • at the risk of sounding selfish, i’m going to make this about me…like you krueg, i’ve got a lot of time, money, and emotion invested in this franchise, and over the years i’ve defended it from the constant barrage of criticism from non-yankee fans about spending and alleged [and in a couple cases, admitted] PED use…i already feel like a fool, but if these latest allegations are proven, i will feel like a bigger fool, if that’s possible…in all the discussions about the big contract extension i would say stuff like, well, if we get a few good years out of the guy it’ll be worth it…heck we got a mvp season, and he was a big reason we won it all in ’09…now to find out that those “accomplishments” might be fraudulent too?…i’m beyond pissed off…i always say at least i have mo and jeter to feel good about…but what am i supposed to do when they’re gone?…there aren’t many players left on this team that i feel very good about…maybe cc…i think the yankees have little hope of voiding this worm’s contract…the union, with a wink and a nod from MLB, has made sure of that by including some wording in the agreement that a team can’t take stronger action against a cheater than the 50 game suspension allowed for in the agreement…convenient, but the cheaters are union members too, right?…the yankees best bet is that the douchebag broke a law and has to go to prison…then i think they wouldn’t have to honor the contract…if he has even one ounce of decency, and i seriously doubt that, he will retire…if he stays stubborn, he should offer to donate every nickel from the remainder of his contract to charity…i have a soft spot for causes that focus on helping children, but i’m sure with the resources available to him he could have a foundation set up that would facilitate an appropriate distribution of the funds…but again, like i said earlier, i’m a big fool, and the scenario i just described ain’t happening…what a way to start the season…a buddy of mine and his girlfriend [tiger fans] wanted me to take in a few spring training games, and maybe a tampa regular season game…why bother?…it’s a waste of my time, money, and emotion…

    dc January 30, 2013, 9:24 am
  • Congrats to Mr. and Mrs. Kreug. Onward and upward!

    I'mBillMcNeal January 30, 2013, 12:43 pm
  • My apologies if this is too emotional and not enough pragmatic.
    Frankly, I feel as though I easily could laugh at all YFs about it, and then hope you get stuck with Rodriguez, but I don’t want to do that. i want when best for baseball here.
    If these new PED allegations are true, and on the surface the allegations seems to be beyond plausible, I do hope the Yankees are able to void the contract.
    He continues to strike me as ubertalented yet egomaniacal, and just bad for the game. I’ve never really liked him, except for that short time when he and the Red Sox flirted with each other, and I rationalized it.
    YFs, I wish you the best with this one.

    I'mBillMcNeal January 30, 2013, 12:52 pm
  • “…there aren’t many players left on this team that i feel very good about…”

    Maybe not now, dc, but give it time. That guy will surface. Just like the Sox won’t flounder at the bottom for long, llikeable characters will reappear. They always do.

    I'mBillMcNeal January 30, 2013, 12:55 pm
  • Brian Cashman said a couple of days ago “…there’s a chance ARod won’t be back this year…” What is the “chance” he knew about Miami for much longer than the last two days?

    attackgerbil January 30, 2013, 1:12 pm
  • Good point ag. At the very least he must have thought of the double entendre, even if he wasn’t trying to send A-Rod or anyone else a message. And I’m sure A-Rod heard it as a message regardless.

    IronHorse - YF January 30, 2013, 3:52 pm
  • We’ll be fine dc and better off without him…after all, we got YOOOOOOOOUUUUUUKKKKKKKK!!!!

    :)

    krueg January 30, 2013, 11:42 pm
  • But Youk does not answer Joba’s phone calls! So team chemistry will be seriously affected …

    As a Red Sox fan I should probably hope for the Yankees having to pay every last cent of the A-Rod contract. But actually I agree that getting rid of him would be good for baseball. So good luck with that.

    pale blue eyes January 31, 2013, 5:50 am
  • sorry i’m late in congratulating your wife krueg…that’s awesome…thanks to you enlightened sox fans [pbe and bill] for not rubbing it in, and realizing that this latest episode in arod’s unreality show is a problem not just for the yankees, but for all of baseball…again, framing my comments by declaring that these are just allegations at this point, if proven, this is seriously damaging to baseball’s credibility…it shows just how far the flawed program of eliminating PED use from the game still has to go…i laugh when i hear how far it’s come…i’m insulted that they think i’m that stupid…of course i am stupid enough to pay 200 bucks to see a game, 200 bucks that subsidizes the cheaters and fuels the greed…the game is fraught with greed…players, agents, management, ownership, union, mlb establishment, so i don’t see anything changing…a 50 game suspension is nothing more than a token slap on the wrist for players who are in a position to make multi-millions over a portion of their career…most of them don’t care about their reputations…which is why arod’s self-destructive behavior is so bizarre…he seemed to want everyone’s approval and admiration, yet every thing he says and does angers, annoys, or just simply makes your skin crawl…the yankee organization has a lot of egg on their faces here too, so if i were advising them, i would tell them to cut him, eat the $100m, and issue an apology to the fans…in other words, mitigate the hit to your credibility as best you can…if they wind up stuck with him, which it looks like they might, continuing to use him would be an awful PR move and a huge distraction for the guys who want to play the right way…

    dc January 31, 2013, 10:22 am
  • Two things:
    First, call me a fool, but Lyin’ Lance said something in his awkward interview with Oprah that actually seemed to make sense to me, and it would seem that pro sports should consider it.
    When asked if he could get away with his doping today, the Texan said no, because UCI has instituted two methods of testing that make undetected doping impossible: mandatory out of season testing, and a blood profile of each rider. The blood profile is used as the constant, and any inconsistencies that should come up in regular testing would be a red flag.
    I admit, however, that I’m no expert in this stuff. But this does seem to make sense.
    So anyone who knows more than I, have at it. Critique it. What’s the good/bad/ugly? It’s probably a fair assumption that the MBLPA might have issues.

    Second, please note the bottom item from this Pete Abe blog post: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2013/01/kalish_expected.html

    I'mBillMcNeal January 31, 2013, 11:57 am
  • MLB moving this season to radom in-season on HGH as welll as taking/storing baseline samples from all players. The union lleaddership post-Fehr seems to have realized that blocking drug testing does not advance the players’ interests. So perhaps I’m the fool now dc but I think that as of this season, it willl be much harder to get away with it — at lleast with the forms of cheating invented and perfected so far… One can hope anyway.

    IronHorse - YF January 31, 2013, 12:59 pm
  • Thanks dc!

    They need to make the penalties draconian. That’s the only way it will stop.

    1 year suspension for the first, plus you have to play one full season for the Buffalo Bisons.

    Lifetime MLB ban on the 2nd. Period. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    But as I have always maintained, I really don’t care about PED’s. I am a very strong supporter of the legalization of ALL drugs. :)

    krueg January 31, 2013, 1:13 pm
  • All drugs, krueg,?
    Even PCP? Angel dust? Do you know what that stuff does to kids?
    (line from Trading Places)

    I'mBillMcNeal January 31, 2013, 2:09 pm
  • Regarding the baseline samples: once a player signs a pro contract, he should be subject to baseline testing. Get that baseline as soon as possible.
    When happens then is we get an idea of PED use in colleges and high schools.
    And deer antler spray use, too.

    I'mBillMcNeal January 31, 2013, 2:11 pm
  • I don’t give a shit if pros use drugs. It just doesn’t matter if she was a virgin what trod up the slopes of the Andes to pick the beans that got roasted and ground to make the coffee I drink. The hypocrisy of this situation is stunning, what modern science can do to/for the body of the athlete versus a “normal” person so long as it doesn’t cross some imagined and constantly wiggling line.

    attackgerbil January 31, 2013, 4:03 pm
  • I guess ag…though once that line has been drawn pretty clearly, it’s reasonable to expect players to not cross it, no? I mean, the lines separating foul and fair territory seem pretty arbitrarily placed to me too, but it kind of helps assure the consistency and integrity of the game when all players and umpires play and officiate the game by those lines, right?

    IronHorse - YF January 31, 2013, 5:12 pm
  • Many people will earn large amounts of money in an effort to codify and enforce “performance enhancing” to our eventual dissatisfaction.

    attackgerbil January 31, 2013, 5:24 pm
  • Fine, make a list of stuff and/or practices that qualify as abuses and check it regularly with the best science available and every reasonable effort possible. If someone wants to play pro ball “cleanly”, they will hopefully try and not screw up by using stuff on that list of stuff/practices. It won’t matter because the whole idea of “clean” is a fallacy.

    I’ve tried, but I just can’t get bent over the use of PEDs to think that something horrible has happened. I am sick of people trying to make me feel like I should, and for demonizing people that may have done something they think qualifies as “unfair.” It’s not going to happen for me, and people — all sorts of people — aren’t going to stop “cheating”, whatever that means at that moment.

    attackgerbil January 31, 2013, 5:32 pm
  • “…I’ve tried, but I just can’t get bent over the use of PEDs to think that something horrible has happened. I am sick of people trying to make me feel like I should, and for demonizing people that may have done something they think qualifies as “unfair.”…”

    sorry ag, but i can’t help but feel that might be directed at me…not trying to tell anyone how they should think, just offered up my reaction to the arod mess…i’m just sick of him in general and i wish he would just go away…if that’s “demonizing” him, so be it…is PED use “horrible” to use your word?…depends on how you define “horrible”…kicking puppies is horrible…i’m not the one who decides what substances are banned for MLB players, but someone did, and it was important enough to get the union and MLB to come to some agreement that it needs to be enforced…it’s not about what’s “fair”, it’s about what the agreement declares is right and wrong…maybe part of krueg’s comment is right on…let the players do whatever they want…who cares really, except the old-time ballplayers who don’t want their records broken…arod’s stupidity is a separate issue anyway, and i don’t blame the yankees one bit if they try to correct the mistake they made a few years ago…they’re just trying to mitigate a bad business decision…

    dc January 31, 2013, 6:15 pm
  • Hi dc, that was not intended to be directed at you, though I understand why you might take it that way. Arod is a special case because there’s a dozen reasons why not to like him as a player before PEDs even get in the door. I’m speaking to the tenor of the conversation perpetrated for several years now about whether two decades of baseball players must be considered under the suspicion as having committed some sort of an affront to the game. It’s horse shit.

    attackgerbil January 31, 2013, 6:42 pm
  • Yankees working to sign Travis Haffner to DH. In the context of this off-season this passes as a major move.

    IronHorse - YF February 1, 2013, 7:00 am
  • all good ag…i wasn’t offended…we have different perspectives on the issue, and that’s cool…i’m just really frustrated, and that’s coloring some of my comments…i do agree with you that players who are merely “under suspicion” are perhaps being unfairly vilified…clemens is the classic example…to the best of my knowledge he’s never failed a PED test, and his only alleged link to PED’s are a disgruntled former employee and some poorly handled DNA “evidence”, and the government’s attempt to try to make it stick in order to make an example out of someone, anyone…whether we think he did it and is lying about it is irrelevant…in fact clemens’ only real “crime”, that is provable, is that he’s a total dickhead…and i really believe that has a lot to do with most folks reaching the conclusion that he must be guilty…ditto arod…his inexplicably erratic behavior, and prior admission, has caused most people to rush to judgement, me included, although i have been careful enough to refer to this latest news as “allegations”…when you consider most of the people on the “list” of proven/admitted or suspected users, not many of them are very likable: bonds, sosa, arod, manny, palmiero, clemens, giambi…i kinda wonder if one of baseball’s really nice guys, a loveable hero, were to be accused of PED use, if we and the media would be so quick pronounce them as most likely guilty without all the facts and evidence…probably not…the niceness factor gets you a bigger slice of the benefit of the doubt…

    dc February 1, 2013, 7:54 am
  • OK, legalize all drugs for me I guess… :)

    I just mean that most of these substances are really to help guys get or stay healthy and they are prescribed to “civilians” everyday. So why not let the legitimate team doctors prescribe these things to the players in a clinical and controlled way? It would certainly help the ancient Yankees!

    PS Sabres 7 Bruins 4

    What a game!!! You need to check out the highlights ag. 5 point night for Vanek including a hattie and our new tough guy knocked out Thornton and put him in the hospital. I am currently listening to Boston fans cry about the game, which is ironic seeing as they are the cheapest team in the league. They push teams around and don’t like to be pushed back clearly. :)

    I really, really, really hate the Bruins.

    krueg February 1, 2013, 9:48 am
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAJcnDsu4nE

    Here is the fight ag. Watch him motion to the B’s bench after with 1 finger like, “that’s 1, anyone else?”

    I wish they could fight in baseball. ARod would have been gone years ago. :)

    krueg February 1, 2013, 9:53 am
  • Not Thornton’s finest moment. Hints afterward were that he was concussed. Odd to see Thorny get clobbered so hard, fast. Alas we turn to Lane MacDermid.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 1, 2013, 10:32 am
  • Oh, krueg, the Bruins are far from the cheapest team in the league. That would fall to first to Montreal and Vancouver.
    As far as Bruins fans crying about the loss … well, sports talk radio – and talk radio in general – isn’t about intelligence. :)

    Buffalo was prepared for the game as a measure of retaliation for Lucic’s hit on Miller when Miller came too far out of the crease last year.
    Bruins were not prepared, that was clear. They played a good 10-minute stretch of the second period.
    Otherwise they weren’t aggressive at all and didn’t look anything like the Cup contender they are. Disappointing because the Bs knew what was coming and didn’t respond. They certainly are up to the task but didn’t show it last night.

    Seriously, krueg, the Habs and Canucks are far more worthy of your disdain that the Bs.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 1, 2013, 10:40 am
  • The Bruins housed the Sabres pretty much my entire childhood, that’s where the hatred stems from. Then the shoe was on the other foot for awhile there in the mid-90’s through say ’07, and now the Bruins are back on top.

    I know it is hard to admit ibm, but it is you guys. Hands down. I mean, they took out Vanek in the playoff series a couple years ago? The Miller thing? Marchand? Lucic running around crushing people? I know you are a fan, and certainly a level-headed guy, so come on man. The Habs? I don’t like them for sure but I can’t really remember a time where they ran anyone or even many fights with them…

    krueg February 1, 2013, 10:49 am
  • That being said, the B’s are clearly a contender and a great team…I just really dislike them and I’m glad to see the Sabres finally stand up to them. We have a good record against them the last couple season, .500 if I’m not mistaken but the B’s have pushed us around for sure.

    krueg February 1, 2013, 10:51 am
  • I’m hearing people talk about how Lucic or Chara are going to kill Scott, and that Scott isn’t really that tough, etc.

    I bet if you asked those two players, they would disagree. And I would be very surprised to see either of them dance with Big John. Although I would love to see it. :)

    krueg February 1, 2013, 10:52 am
  • ARod appears to continue to be the clueless idiot he is…saying he is definitely coming back.

    Boy ARod, absolutely no one on Earth is looking forward to you playing for their team. Not even Astros fans would take you.

    In the immortal words of the Crue, “ARod don’t go away mad, ARod just go away…”

    krueg February 1, 2013, 11:12 am
  • I love it! I go to bed, and when I wake up a hockey fight breaks out! Go Sabes.

    attackgerbil February 1, 2013, 12:05 pm
  • > i kinda wonder if one of baseball’s really nice guys, a loveable hero

    Andy Pettitte.

    attackgerbil February 1, 2013, 12:24 pm
  • IronHorse - YF February 1, 2013, 1:03 pm
  • Well kreug …
    First, ST22 is out 7-10 days with a concussion.
    Wow. I wonder if he got bad position on that fight. That’s not something that happens to him. He’s a good fighter, and I highly doubt Scott was trying to injure him. I was shocked to see Thorny go down so easily. Doesn’t make sense. Only obvious thing is that he gave up A LOT of size to Scott. Scott was swinging down on him and that’s a huge advantage.

    Moving on …
    I’m a Bruins fan. And if you’re right, well, maybe that’s just cognitive dissonance on my part. The Bs are tough, no doubt. They don’t get pushed around. Generally I don’t think they’re all that cheap. I don’t see anyone on that team intentionally trying to injure anyone. Maybe you’re seeing things I’m not seeing.
    Marchand, the Little Ball o’ Hate, yeah, he’s chippy, and he sometimes borders on cheap.
    Chara or Looch v. Scott … Chara’s big but he’s not a fighter. Lucic, well, maybe it needs to be him. But anyone who pays attention knows that Lucic in a fight isn’t a guaranteed win. He’s a good fighter, but he’s not great.
    Montreal … They could be the Canadian National Diving Team. Chippy, cheap, unaccoutnable divers. And their entitled fans. Please. Bleep those guys.
    Vancouver … the definition of cheap and dirty.

    Pitchers and catchers report in 10 days, men.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 1, 2013, 1:06 pm
  • > just go away please.

    Agreed, and take Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless with you.

    attackgerbil February 1, 2013, 1:08 pm
  • None of this compares to the enmity I have for the F*ing Flyers.

    BruinsFan vs SabesFan.. hmm.

    attackgerbil February 1, 2013, 1:20 pm
  • i thought about andy ag…you could argue he got somewhat of a free pass, probably because of his humility, and that he never really gave fans a reason to dislike him…but, outside of yankeeland, i’m not sure how well liked he is…he certainly isn’t as universally disdained as say a bonds or clemens, so i’d say the name andy pettite is probably met with more indifference than anything else…which gets back to my point, if they already dislike you for being a dickhead, merely being suspected of cheating validates and intensifies those feelings, and you’re less likely to be given the benefit of the doubt…

    dc February 1, 2013, 1:48 pm
  • Skip Bayless … Chef Rick Bayless of Chicago Frontera Grille fame is his brother. Who knew?
    I once met Skip, at Bears camp in ther late 1990s. He was very personable and nice. Who he is on TV belies the guy I met.

    I don’t think there’s any doubt that some guys get a pass and other, it’s dogpile on the rabbit, and that it seems to generally boil down to likeability or in some cases, the fringyness of the accusation/evidence. Ortiz got a pass.
    Nobody got more of a pass than Rodney Harrison.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 1, 2013, 1:57 pm
  • well put dc.

    attackgerbil February 1, 2013, 2:07 pm
  • I didn’t ever for a second put together that Rick Bayless and Skip Bayless are brothers. Rick Bayless seems like one of the nicest guys on the planet.. his Twitter feed is a joy to read.

    attackgerbil February 1, 2013, 2:08 pm
  • John Scott is a killer. He is a mismatch for every player that tangles with him in the NHL, except Chara and man do I want to see that! He was signed for one reason, scare the other team off our guys. He certainly did that last night.

    Did you guys see now there are reports that the guy in Miami actually injected ARod??? PLEASE be able to prove this stuff…PLEASE!!!!!

    I don’t even watch ESPN anymore really. It is so sad how far that network has fallen. It’s like some crazy male soap opera/special interest station now. ESPN News sometimes because they at least show SOME highlights but I just watch MLB/NHL/NFL Networks now.

    COME ON MAN!!! Yeah, come on and make me puke…

    krueg February 1, 2013, 3:09 pm
  • Oh yeah, and Hafner. Can he stay healthy? That is the main question there. Dude can crush the ball if healthy.

    krueg February 1, 2013, 3:10 pm
  • Chef on Twitter must: @altonbrown.
    Travis Hafner is unsigned?
    How would you guys react if you learned that ARod had used deer antler spray?
    Jesus, this is a weird thread, today.

    I'mBillMcNeal February 1, 2013, 4:38 pm
  • At least ARod brought us all back together…soon, we will all be bitching and cheering on here again!

    11 days until pitchers and catchers!

    krueg February 1, 2013, 6:29 pm
  • A-Rod in his 2009 press conference:

    “…the only thing I ask from this group today and the American people is to judge me from this day forward. That’s all I can ask for.”

    OK. I judge you an a–hole.

    IronHorse - YF February 1, 2013, 9:22 pm
  • “…OK. I judge you an a–hole….”…hahaha…awesome IH

    somebody asked me golly, what will the yankees do if they can’t get out of arod’s contract or he won’t retire…it’s simple really…if they can’t hit him in his wallet, hit him in another spot that hurts, his so-called “pride”…girardi should tell him not to bother to dress, because he’s not getting in a game anyway…his new job for $30m per year as a yankee employee will be to detail derek jeter’s car once a week…clean the stadium restrooms with his toothbrush…polish the plaques in monument park…and wear his underwear on his head…if the union has a problem with that and the yankees are “forced” to use him as a ballplayer was intended to be used, then fine…don’t announce his name on the PA system, remove his image from all programs and promotions, put him 9th in the order and pinch hit for him when he comes up for his first at bat…

    dc February 2, 2013, 2:40 pm
  • I think they will just buy him out. Eat the shit contract that THEY signed and move on…they have to.

    krueg February 2, 2013, 3:40 pm
  • It’s cool to see a thread started in late January get some decent traffic. Usual suspects and all, but I LIKE all the usual suspects here. :)

    Devine February 2, 2013, 3:52 pm
  • he has a no-trade clause, so being the stubborn fool he is, that’s probably out…i mean if they’re on the hook for all of his salary anyway, at least by pursuing a trade, they might be able to get another team to pick up a small piece of that, and get a little something in return…heck, at this point i’d settle for a bag of sunflower seeds and the other team giving him the league minimum, with us picking up the difference…you may say, who would wanted a suspected/admitted PED user?…well, the giants and blue jays immediately come to mind…i know it’s just wishful thinking, like expecting yankee fans to unite and organize a boycott, sending the message that if this guy’s in pinstripes, we’re not watching on tv or going to the games…

    dc February 2, 2013, 4:07 pm
  • > if you learned that ARod had used deer antler spray?

    Wouldn’t have been surprised even slightly, what with the wanting to be a Centaur thing and all.

    attackgerbil February 2, 2013, 4:35 pm
  • nicely played ag

    dc February 2, 2013, 5:51 pm
  • ag, you are a witty little fella… :)

    krueg February 3, 2013, 11:44 am
  • And the hits just keep on coming: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130205&content_id=41402042&vkey=news_nyy&c_id=nyy

    Please, please, PLEASE put us out of our collective misery Alex.

    IronHorse - YF February 5, 2013, 12:03 pm

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