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11 days, six gamesCan it be done?

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  • Still a tough road for NY.
    Meanwhile, I didn’t go through the thread yet, but I’m wondering how the Sox let their starter blow a 2 run lead in the 7th what with their triple-threat oki-gags-paps bullpen? did it just disintegrate that quickly???

    YF August 7, 2007, 10:27 am
  • When did what you describe happen?
    Schilling had a 2-0 lead in the fourth, gave up two in the bottom of the inning, then gave up a leadoff dinger and double in the seventh and Tito brought in TAVAREZ, who allowed the runner to score.

    SF August 7, 2007, 10:36 am
  • My bad. But still. Why bring in Tavarez down 1 in the 7th with that shut-down pen?

    YF August 7, 2007, 11:07 am
  • I dunno, that’s a pretty rough one. Technically feasible, but with Boston facing Tampa in the middle of that period, doubtful.
    But just remember- Six games out, Six games left betwixt the Sox and the Yanks. I’m just sayin’.

    KurticusMaximus August 7, 2007, 11:21 am
  • Because the Sox desperately needed a ground ball in that situation

    mp August 7, 2007, 11:23 am
  • Found this: http://benfry.com/salaryper/
    Though it was funky to play with.

    Lar August 7, 2007, 11:28 am
  • Why bring in Tavarez down 1 in the 7th with that shut-down pen?
    Because Tito’s weakness is his ability to manage pitchers, 2004 post-season notwithstanding. He’s just not great at it, at all. Sometimes his decisions defy any semblance of logic.
    And they needed a ground ball? Wouldn’t a strikeout work towards the end goal as well?

    SF August 7, 2007, 11:41 am
  • “Because Tito’s weakness is his ability to manage pitchers, 2004 post-season notwithstanding. He’s just not great at it, at all. Sometimes his decisions defy any semblance of logic.”
    I really wonder if there are any managers who do a consistently good job of managing pitchers. In a previous post, I mentioned that Ozzie Guillen was lauded for his use of pitchers in 2005, especially his bullpen. Has he continued doing a decent job? Who else out there does?

    Nick-YF August 7, 2007, 11:44 am
  • Think about the scenario last night, though, Nick. Tight game, one run ballgame, on the road, two at-bats left with K-Rod coming in. The key is to keep the game at one run. How best to do this? Strike guys out, don’t let players advance bases, particularly when they are already on second base with none out. Tito has THREE strikeout pitchers in his bullpen, yet he goes to the WORST guy in his bullpen, Tavarez. It’s not like he brought in Delcarmen (perhaps the weakest of the Paps/Gagne/Oki/MDC quadro), which would have been defensible considering the type of pitcher MDC is, and then the pitcher just imploded. Francona consciously decided to bring in the weakest pitcher he has in the bullpen. It defies any logic.
    It’s easy to crap on managers, like you say — too often fans jump on managers for a player’s failings. But it’s not wrong to do it when these skippers make indefensible moves. Had he made a defensible move and had it fail, there’d be no static. But he didn’t have a player fail on him only. He brought in the pitcher most likely TO fail. That’s not good managing. On Friday he left Timlin in for an extra inning in a one run game, with Timlin coming off a sore shoulder, and left his best arms sitting, again. The game was over soon enough because of this move. It happens too often, with a bullpen as stacked as the Sox have this shouldn’t be something we Sox fans should have to discuss.

    SF August 7, 2007, 11:54 am
  • Oh, I wasn’t trying to defend Francona. I agree that he did the opposite of what a reasonable manager should do and should be criticized for it. Torre certainly has done similar things and I’ve been critical when he has. I just thought of how similar the complaint was to the one we hear levied at Torre, and it got me to thinking that I don’t know of any managers who are really smart about bullpen management. But then again, I only follow a few clubs closely, so I don’t know every manager’s tendencies. My question was sincere, not a defense of Francona.

    Nick-YF August 7, 2007, 11:59 am
  • Well if the Yanks are going to do anything this year they need to do it this month. As they have shown us all year they are excellent at eating up the not-so-good teams and spitting them out. But the good teams, thats when they tend to go into extended losing streaks.
    The rest of this month is tough for them, 17 of 23 against teams that right now would all make the playoffs.
    I will say that I think those 6 against the sox will be far more important now than what most expected a month ago, but they need to do well against the other playoff bound teams before we even get to those.
    I’ll make my own prediction and say that by the first set of sox-yanks, the yanks have actually lost ground and are closer to 9 back than to 6.

    CincySF August 7, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • We’ll see how the rest of the week/month goes, since the Yankees are playing teams above .500 for the first time in a while. Fortunately, they are catching the Indians at a time when they have been scuffling a bit.
    It’s possible. Basically, if they go into September being four, or maybe five games back, it’s game on. Still a long shot, though, even with 50 games left.

    yankees76 August 7, 2007, 1:43 pm
  • It’s been nice to see the Yankee offense carry the team over the last couple of weeks, but if they’re going to have legs than Clemens and Pettitte are going to have to start pitching solidly, Moose is going to have to hold his shit together at least 50 percent of the time, and they’ll need Hughes to settle down as a ML pitcher. I don’t think these are outrageous demands. The Clemens start tonight will be telling. Was that catastrophe last week an aberration? He’s not going to be the vintage rocket, I understand, but i think we’ll get more out of him than that.

    YF August 7, 2007, 1:57 pm
  • I’d just like to point out that Boston is 15-10 since the break, a .600 WPCT. They’re 32-28 since June 1st, which isn’t good…but they’ve been playing good baseball since the All Star Game. They remain the only team in baseball with a winning percentage above .600. So there really isn’t a hell of a lot to be upset about as a Sox fan right now, except that they’ve lost ground to a team that has somehow gone 20-7 since the AS Game, a .741 WPCT. (41-21 since June 1, .661)
    If New York plays .741 ball over the rest of the season, they’ll win 99 games and it wouldn’t really be Boston’s fault for losing the division…unless they lose big in the upcoming Sox-Yanks series. Which is why I don’t think this is as big an issue as it feels on the surface; Boston isn’t scuffling, New York is just insanely hot. And pounding on some awful teams.

    Josh SF (D1) August 7, 2007, 2:06 pm
  • The Yankees have a 29-27 record against teams that currently have a better than .500 record; they are 33-23 against the rest. Indeed, August will be telling as to what kind of team the Yankees have become.
    Boston is 40-29 against teams currently better than .500, 28-15 against the rest, if you were curious.

    attackgerbil August 7, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • But Josh, that .600 winning percentage, if you’ve seen the games, could very well have been higher. So yeah, in isolation, .600 is good. But when it should have been .625 or .640 then that’s a problem. As I see it, the Sox have lost a few games they could have won. See Royals, Kansas City, especially. That series was an abomination.

    SF August 7, 2007, 3:40 pm
  • @ YF:
    From a PeteAbe commenter- “In the last 30 days alone [as of Aug 4], the Yankees are 4th in ERA, 7th in walks, and 1st in strikeouts in the AL.”
    That’s not bad, especially compared to earlier in the season.
    The offense may be doing ridiculous things, but the pitching staff has still shown quite a bit of improvement. Hopefully they can continue to get better.

    KurticusMaximus- YF August 7, 2007, 4:01 pm
  • Triskaidekaphobia August 7, 2007, 4:25 pm
  • Sox have signed Bobby Kielty. The new WMP?

    YF August 7, 2007, 4:35 pm
  • The Yankees are pretty much the best and this has been scientifically proven………….

    Blah August 7, 2007, 4:47 pm
  • The Red Sox are winners of 5 straight series (odds are they lose the current one, naturally), including two 4-game series, and they beat Cleveland and Seattle on the way. It really hasn’t been bad recently. Stupid Yankees are just playing too damn well (and yes, against some very bad teams).

    Devine August 7, 2007, 5:41 pm
  • Whatever happens from this point on, it’s great that the season matters again…Whether Yanks can climb all the way back to WC/AL East remains to be seen, but at least the games are worth watching. I don’t think I’ll be too upset if they come up short as long as they make a valiant effort.
    Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change my mind at any point and go completely bonkers if they come up a game or two short!

    yankeemonkey August 7, 2007, 6:06 pm
  • Ummm…. Can a Sox *gamer* be done?

    Hudson August 7, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • Hudson – are we already conceding the season based on this thread? Who needs a game thread? Or the month of September?

    rootbeerfloat August 7, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • Game thread up. Sorry, everyone — such is the peril of dinner guests.

    SF August 7, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • YF here but there’s no way the Yanks make up 6 games in that timeframe. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised over the next two weeks if that lead swells to 9 or so. The Yanks have not been good on the road, and that road trip to LA and Detroit could be brutal despite Detroit’s recent woes. Baltimore gives the Yankees fits. Meanwhile, Boston probably gets 5-6 freebies against TB and has a much easier road trip overall (plus they’ve been noticeably better than NYY on the road in general). If this 6-game deficit is maintained going into the Boston series, it’ll be a major accomplishment (or a major meltdown by the Sox).

    Chris August 7, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • “Wily Mo clears waivers.”
    shocking…how ’bout a wilymo for farnsworth trade?…nobody else wants ’em

    dc August 8, 2007, 12:18 am

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