As noted in at least one publication this morning, the Red Sox have lost two games in a row for just the third time this season. In each of the previous two cases, Curt Schilling rode to the rescue and stopped the streak.
As noted in the game thread last night, the Sox lost the first game in each of the past two months, then went on to win at least 18 games each time.
As SF noted yesterday, the Red Sox need to win at least one of these games to keep the Yankees effectively at bay, more than 11 games out of the AL East lead.
I won’t go so far as to call this a must-win for the Red Sox, but a loss would indeed be concerning, particularly since the Sox played so poorly in a game that could have (should have?) won even with Wakefield’s struggles. There could be fireworks this afternoon, thanks to Scott Proctor’s ninth-inning headshot to Kevin Youkilis, intentional or not.
It’ll be Schilling, coming off his best start of the season, against Mussina, who has not looked anything like his potential-Cooperstown self this year.
Here’s your thread to comment on all the action, which I cannot see because the Astros are playing the Cardinals n FOX. Yuck.
just wanted to make a pre-game “posada like” explanation for why donnelly is gonna lose a ball up and in today. it’s clearly not going to be “intentional”, and if you think otherwise you don’t understand baseball. maybe the count will be 0-2 late in a blow out game, so everyone can agree there was no intent. just please don’t grossly overreact like us blind sf’s did last nite, because we were obviously wrong to do so. try to completely forget the fact that brendan has done this before, as we were told to do with scott. you guy’s (will) understand right?
slightly sox-centric intro there paul…
Jeter doubles off the wall
ARod down swinging at a split ends the Yankee first.
Schilling Ks Arod to end the inning. Jeter stranded at 2nd.
Nice splitter by Schilling to K Arod, stranding Jeter on 2nd after a one out double
Hey Gerb…I hecked out your web page this morning. Like the photos.
DPod batting 2nd? This is an interesting development. Personally would have started Hinske over WMP.
Lugo flies out to center.
Nie curve by Moose to start DPod off
DPod is rapidly becoming my second least favorite Red Sox (after Schilling)….dunno why, there’s just something about him that really gets on my nerves.
Rob- I agree with you on both points. I think Pedroia has definitely played his way into the 2 spot- he’s really hot right now.
I’m not sure why WMD, I mean WMP, is out there. I’ve seen enough of him on defense to be really wary of him in Fenway’s huge right field.
Sam must not have noticed the letters at the end of my name… I’m painting today. That was a five-minute post. Sorry.
Ahhh, that’s why. McCarver: “…Feisty, plucky…”
WTF? A warning on a breaking ball???…Absurd.
OK…bullsh** already starts. Mussina throws a breaking pitch that was inside that was not thrown at Pedroia. Pedroia “looked” like he was leaning down and possibly in to maybe get plunked.
Umpire heads to the mound to talk to MOsse about it. Not sure if it was a warning or not.
DPod then send a hard grounder past Jeter for a single.
Yes it was YM. They are overblowing last night with players getting hit.
Wasn’t like any of last nights ppitchers ha any form of control.
No big deal Paul, just used to issues for both sides being represented for Sox/Yanks games
Ayuh..I actually quit Coppenhagen months ago. But when I see WMP in the lineup I have straight nic-fits.
Nice play by Jeter to stay with the ball and turn the DP.
Thanks, Rob, regarding the pictures. I haven’t given much attention to my personal site in some time, due to the kid, work, and YFSF.
Rob- I have nic-fits when I see WMP, and I’ve never used tobacco in my life!
Nice recovery by Jeter to end the inning. But was that really a bad hop? It looked to me like it just rolled up his arm.
I understand that Gerb. I saw an article this morning, your show you reference on your page BSG is done after next season. Actually made me sad to see that.
I guess maybe it wasn’t a warning after all…Buck notes there was no sign given to the Sox dugout. Anyway it’s ridiculous to think that Moose, of all people, would start throwing at people. Still, it’s strange that the HP ump would go talk to him and not to Schilling when Schill almost hit ARod. Blergh.
Ayuh..I have an 8 pack of nicorette gum sitting here with me for today’s game.
Maybe the Ump was getting some Economics pointers from Moose.
Rob, yeah, I had mixed feelings about it when I read that next season is the last. There were a couple times last year where I was thinking that show had tanked, but I still like it more than any other TV out there.
Melky. Wow.
Wooo, the Melkman delivers!! 1-0 Yanks.
Melky muscled that inside pitch to send that just inside the right field pole.
Melkman says hi to Pesky’s Pole. =)
Doug singles past a diving Lugo.
Minky with a shot up the middle.
Minky singles.
Shot to right field…I fumble for my nicorette and WMP cathes it.
And Nieves flies out to WMP to end it.
I was just about to make some snarky comment about the giant sucking sound of having Melky, Minky, and Nieves hitting.
It looked like they knew next season was the last Gerb..and that they were trying to cram as much as possible into it.
Youk grounds out to 3rd
This from LoHud Yanks:
“I have the live FOX feed here at work- they replayed it between innings. I didnt hear what Cuzzi originally said, but he then told Moose that if someone sticks their elbow out again like Pedroia did, he won’t award them first.”
Why didn’t the homeplate umpire just tell that to Pedroia at the plate, where Nieves would be able to hear it?
Did anyone just see that Delgado moonshot on the in game highlights? Finally the guy is producing for my fantasy team.
In fairness to both Moose and Dpod. That was a knuckle curve that may have appeared to look like it was going to hit him and turned to put the meaty side of the body out to receive it.
Base on balls for Lowell.
Semi-random question:
Am I the only one who sees the resemblance between Moose and Jack from Lost? I mentioned it to my (Yankee fan) friendsd and they looked at me like I had 3 heads or something…
Beautiful DP!!
Lowell walk, Varitek with a GIDP to end the threat.
Great, we hit into our 2nd DP. Obviously we did not learn from last night about what happens when you leave lots of people on base and don’t drive them in.
I do like the idea of an umpire letting a pitcher know that he doesn’t need to be afraid of throwing a particular pitch. I don’t understand why he has to go out to the mound to do it.
Not sure on that Jack/Moose thing YM. I see it and don’t see it.
Put Moose on survivor to cut away some of that baby fat and we can evaluate it then.
Abreau singles to start off the inning.
LOL, Rob!
Abreu with a single to start the 3rd.
Wow…we manage to turn a DP.
Dude, Captain is kind of sucking lately…
Matsui Ks looking.
I wouldn’t say he is sucking. The guy has been so hot this year that with him cooling off a little it makes it look worse that what it really is. It looked early in the season that every pitch was about the size of a beach ball to him.
Matsui goes down looking.
I am shocked, WMP with a leadoff double. The way that AB was going I saw him getting K’d as usual.
Rob- did that make you spit out your Nicorette??
Ya, I was ready to chime in with a Willy Mo K-ena…Oh well. Crisp bunts him over. Lugo grounds out to score WMP and tie the game 1-all.
DPod pops out to ARod for the 3rd out.
Let’s get it started A Rod.
ARod groundout 6-3.
Jorge singles through the shift (!).
Cano forces Posada at second.
Damn near Ayuh
Alright Melky, hows about another homerun? I would like that.
A hit’s good too. But come on, Dougie’s already used his allotment of hits today. Shoulda saved it.
So whose this A Rod character they’re talking about? Seems like a whole lot of “controversy” surrounds him.
I think I just heard Scott Boras consummate a relationship with himself.
I think that 2-1 pitch was the best chance Minkster had.
Well he hit that one pretty okay, it was just right at Crisp.
Gotta hit more balls at Pena.
Papi is due. He has not tagged anyone in 60+ ab’s. This would be a good weekend from my perspective to break out.
Andrew…no need to bring WMP in this.
Blah, Minky strands two.
Moose walks Ortiz, no outs.
Manny lines that and drives Papi to 3rd.
Manny doubles. 2nd and 3rd, no outs. Gulp.
Uh oh, the tarp is coming out. I’m also out for a bit. Go Yankees!
Damn rain delay
Well, it looks like some kind of delay is in our future. Not sure if this is a good thing for Moose or a bad thing. I guess if he comes abck and gets out of it it’ll be good…and if he doesn’t he’ll blame the rain.
I think the Yankees might be better off just intentionally walking both Manny and Ortiz EVERY time they come up…even if the bases are loaded.
McCarver’s smelled this one a mile away.
Moose looks pretty un-sharp today. I hope this rain-break doesn’t make it worse.
I’m kind of concerned for both pitchers coming back in after the delay.
anyone here in boston? have a forecast?
I’d much rather take my chances with Lowell than a Youkilis out for revenge. He looked pissed that he didn’t get a hit his first time up. Walking him intentionally would probably piss him off more.
Sam..I just looked at the Radar and it lookes like there are a few bands. The worst of it looks like it is over the city right now.
Tarp being removed
watching the Cards and Astros…
Mark Loretta hitting .469 this season with RISP.
I just heard on the Red Sox radio broadcast (they said from the New York Times) that Clemens is missing at least his Chicago start from a groin injury. Anyone have details?
Nothing on ESPN Scott.
that is seriously messed up
tyler kepner is reporting it on the NYT baseball blog ‘bats’
yep, it’s true.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/baseball/03clemens.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin
man it gets worse, igawa to replace him!
Wow…that suks for the Yanks. I wonder how serious it is?
Youk walks. That may actually benefit Moose.
Lowell singles to left, 2-1 Sox.
Come on Toast!!
I like the way this lineup is set up. 2-6 is just a killer for pitchers. And Varitek’s not shabby either.
Ow crap…Lowell drives his shoulder into Cano. I (as a Sox Fan) will go on the record that it was not necessary.
Bit of a letdown when GameDay says “In play, run(s)” and it’s a GIDP. Still, 3-1.
How did Cano make that throw while getting knocked down by Lowell? Nifty.
True Paul. Are you watching?
WMP K’s…what a shocker.
3-1
Wify Mo strikes again.
It was a good throw. Especially with what he was dealing with.
I think the testiness is starting to rise to the surface with each game. Probably a good idea that after tomorrow they will not play for awhile. They definately (both sides) do not need suspensions for people losing thier marbles.
Here’s hoping the rain delay takes something away from Schilling so we can get a couple back.
Alright Curt, remember what you did sucessfully before the rain delay.
the play was totally legit but if Arod had done that, what would the reaction be?
Joe Buck was dead on on his assessment. Stating if ARod had made the play Lowell did it would have been an eruption by the crowd.
C’mon hypocrites, come out and say how gritty Lowell is. I dare you.
I also don’t have too much of a problem with the play, it helps that they still made the doubleplay. Take that Lowell!
“the play was totally legit but if Arod had done that, what would the reaction be?”
Sam…ever see Lord of the Flies?
Well, I saw they were rain delayed with 2/3, no outs, so when I heard play was resuming (Astros/Cards on in the background), I took a break to watch that inning on GameDay.
Abreu singles to right with one out.
Jeter 543. Yuck.
Andrew…I staated above I did not think it was a necessary play.
Andrew, ever providing the voice of sensibility, avoiding the name-calling and crassness. Thanks!
Wow, just when I was about to post something snarky about Curt not being able to get a clean inning after being given a lead, gets Jeter on the first-pitch GIDP! Two in one game for Jeter. When’s the last time THAT happened?
Oh I wasn’t calling you out Rob, just a preemptive strike. I assume all the smart Sox fans who took exception to A-Rod’s play will stay absolutely silent.
What irritates me about the play is that if the Sox took exception to Arod sliding into Pedroia then they should have made the effort to do that to ARod and not Cano.
Lugo singles to left. Wonder how he managed that?
Paul – he had 1 gidp last night as well. That’s why the Yuck.
Moose has just looked stiff today.
Wow…Pedroia singles to right and moves Lugo to 2nd.
The young lad is hot.
Well, technically speaking, Abreu is doing his job as a lead-off batter today. In a small sample size he hits Schilling very well.
In the a little bit larger sample size A Rod and Jeter don’t hit Schilling particularly well.
I think this is the problem so far.
Pedroia will probably be sad when the Yankees leave town.
What a bullet by Ortiz. Glad that Doug is playing first today.
The silly thing is there’s a 90% chance Mussina would be thrown out of the game if he hit Youklis by mistake here.
I’ll take it. Deep fly out.
Youkilis made out! Does that actually happen?
Sox may regret that inning later.
Yes Nick…Nessie was spotted in Scotland this week.
Mussina looks like Cone did in his final season with the Yanks. He just doesn’t seem to have it anymore. Sad, because he’s one of my favorites.
There’s video of both events.
1 pitch…1 hit
Matsui on
That’s the way I felt about Cone Nick.
i’ll avoid insulting lowell with any number of appropriate cuss words, but he reminds me a little of arod, but a much lesser player…hmm
Schill…how about we start to listen to Tek. You had it your way and walked him.
1st and 2nd, no outs.
Jorge.. wow. Yankees take the lead 4-3.
Schill with his proto-typical one inning of sh** this season.
This is what happens when you do not listen to your catcher.
hip hip jorgeeeeeeeeeeee
Finally, 1 out.
Hip-Hip-Jorge!!
Beat me to it, sorry to echo DC
melkyyyyyyyyyyyyy
WMP with no speed to try and run that down.
Melky doubles. ummm Jason who?
no sweat by78…finally having some fun here…hope it lasts
menkyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Now Doug brings him home. We can thank Buck and McCarver for hexing the Sox pen with all their mindless prattle.
Ditto that. Yeah Doug E. Fresh!!!
I think Melky likes being an everyday player.
We make this harder than it needs to be.
If Nieves gets a hit here you know there is some extra luck workin today.
No, not even the dark magic of McCarver can make Nieves a better hitter.
Aaarg…. it’s bad enough that I have to watch this with my father-in-law snoring in the other chair but now the game is irritating too…
Nope, Nieves GIDP. Still, 4 runs nothing to sneeze at.
Did anyone just see that commercial w/Damon to taking to Mauer?!
Boston needs to start taking advantage of Mussina when he makes mistakes.
Pretty cool commercial BY.
Yeah, the Pepsi one? I’ve seen it a couple of times.
bloodyank – yes, that was weird…
Lowell……homerun!!
Rob – from your lips to Lowell’s ears :)
Lowell.. grr. Despite his body-check/elbow of Cano being completely legit, this home run means I now can not stand him.
I have to say. Mike Lowell was hit on the wrist last night.
Good job Mikey Moose. Ugggh.
Proctor up in the pen.
TOAST!!!!!!!!
…what are the odds of two more in a row…
Tek ties the game with back to back.
Varitek destroys a homerun. Tied up. Oh well…time for the Yankees lights out bullpen!
here we go again….amazing…if the sox don’t win this year, it’s safe to say they never will again…blessed
I am going to run a errand and hope this inning ends at 5-5 when its over…
Proctor in…who thinks he plunks someone?
That 0-2 to WMP looked pretty darn good.
WMP again K’s.
Jorge did a good job last night when Youk got up hoppin mad.
I thought so also AG. He should have been rung up.
Maybe WMP is doing so badly, the umps are giving him 4 or 5 strikes – we do that in coach pitch league sometimes.
that is really funny RBF.
Agreed Rob. I wouldn’t want Youk coming after me. He looks crazy when he’s mad. Like an extra from Braveheart.
Lugo fails to advance the runner.
Dpod with a long fly out to deep center.
1 stranded
My six year old thinks Youk looks like one of his WWF action figures.
Braveheart, Mad Max…same casting pool.
Okajima up in the pen
Rootbeer-
Your six year old is correct!
THAT WAS BULL$%^T
Lowell leading the Sox with 11 HR’s
K’s Abreau on the broken check swing.
Oh good. Piniero. We might get this lead back.
Bobby Abreu doesn’t come close to swinging and the Red Sox umpire over at third continues his Gary Sheffield inspired conspiracy against Bobby!
oh no Piniero
abreu controlled the head of the bat but it was halfway to the pitchers mound.
Captain, my Captain. Thanks, Joel.
Piniero, you are a work of art. Way to hold the game to a tie.
That just makes me laugh out loud…
ag: Oh good. Piniero.
Rob: oh no Piniero
Classic.
Bringing in Pineiro in a tie ballgame to face Derek Freaking Jeter: Stupid.
Leaving Piniero in to face ARod after Jeter has homered: Really f***** stupid
AG, Whenever I see Piniero enter the game I see Tito waving a towel.
Do I get to call sooth on that? Or was it too vague?
Remember way back when, Piniero was going to be the Sox closer? Ha ha.
I check swing by definition is half-way to the pitchers mound Ric. What’s your point?
Someone tapped Tito on the shoulder and he woke up.
A check swing by definition is half-way to the pitchers mound Ric. What’s your point?
jeeetah
so when is okajeemah [spelling] going to realize he is just dice-k’s caddy?
my point? i was being sarcastic. he swung. even if he didnt, i dont care. it was ruled a k. anything else?
McCarver just explained to me that when a batter swings it’s a strike. I was foggy on that. Thanks Tim.
I started shaking nervously watching WMP running to that fly out. Thankfully Coco moved over and took it away.
McCraver is master of the obvious
Ortiz looked bad swinging at the 1-1 pitch
Abreau obviously has watched the video: “Fielding with Willie Mo”
Abreu’s bat may be getting better, but man he butchered that catch.
Walking Manny to get to Youk? Talk about picking your poison lately.
IBB to Manny; Proctor to face Youk. This could be interesting.
pick your poison. my guess is youk is due for some retribution.
Saying that Proctor is struggling after he was directed to walk Manny and puts two batters on is rather stretchy to me.
Retribution? For what? He didn’t hit him.
That walk to Youk is all stemming from last night.
loaded for this years “bill mueller thorn in yankee side” lowell.
I agree AG…I thought it was just high and in.
At a minimum he needs to drive one deep to knock Ortiz in.
torre is gonna let him walk in the tieing run
as far as i know hitting the jersey is the same as hitting the man…at least as far as the scorebooks are concerned.
Doug is hurt. Lowell kneed him in the back of the head.
wow..Minky catches the the thigh to the back of the head.
Okay, all of the Sox fans that have been calling for blood, do you have enough now?
Wow- Fox just showed that close up of Minky’s face. His eyes say “the lights are on, but no one’s home.”
I’m stuck with gameday here. What the hell just happened?
I couldn’t tell last night Rod. I didn’t think that it hit “him”
Ground ball to 2nd, Cano throws to Jeter, Jeter throws to 1st, Minky went low to dig the ball out and Lowell’s thigh/knee hit Minky in the back of the head that allowed Manny to come around and score the go ahead run.
sf rod, Proctor didn’t hit Youkilis. He came high and tight. Proctor was ejected. Luis Vizcaino came on to finish the at bat.
He had the football player concussion stare
Oh my god. That looked awful. Tom: Lowell ran into the back of Minky’s head on Jeter’s error.
Doug is really out of it. Probably a concussion. They’re taking him out on a medicart, but he is conscious.
Gameday says throwing error on Jeter.
mmy gues is a dislocated shoulder. Based on his left arm being held as such.
Lowell had better travel in a group while in NY.
Willie Mo up….great..K or DP ball here real quick like.
I was going to say it may be a favor to the Yankees, but if he’s really hurt there is no humor.
Yes it was ruled an E on Jeter Tom
Yeah, Jeter had a tough spin to make the play. He threw to first on one hop. Doug tried to scoop it, but it was to the right of the bag. He bobbled the catch, and then the collision.
He looked _completely_ dazed. Poor Doug. Gotta give credit to the fans, they gave him a nice cheer when he was carted off. Just hope it wasn’t anything very serious…
He definately had the lights on, no one home stare.
How come E on Jeter? Isn’t it a case of “don’t assume a double play”? Not that it matters much at the moment…
Jeter mishandles the grounder. Error?
ag- check the box score HBP proctor. he was also awarded first base. you might remember that was were the posada conference took place.
That should have been a double play. I can’t blame proctor for anything else in this game.
Coco with the RBI!!
Jesus Christ. Is Torre out to punish Proctor or what? Captain isn’t helping, either.
Bruney in to face Lugo.
No fear Yank fans, Lugo should end this.
The Jeter giveth and the Jeter taketh away.
SF Rod,
It’s over, man. Let it go.
Well at least Piniero can’t come back in. Unless there is some obscure rule we haven’t heard of.
Jeter has 11 errors on the season so far? They’ll probably still give him the gold glove at the end of the year.
My bad, sf rod.. he was awarded the base, and it was Villone, but it didn’t hit him though.
it was Villone that replaced Proctor that is.
Shocking…Lugo with the Sac Fly
ym- it’s now become revisionist history though. people don’t even realized he got hit a day later.
Chickenhawk with a number single. WMP scores.
does anyone here think Tim McCarver thinks that Arod should have covered 3rd on that Coco basehit?
DPod comes through and the wheels are off.
I was wondering what happened to the Yankees I have been watching all year. They just showed up.
Well hopefully tomorrow we should have a good pitching matchup. This year Beckett has pitched well and Pettite has been solid even though he doesn’t get run support.
It may just be me, but it seems like every time Yankees and Sox play on FOX, some shit always goes down. It’s the Curse of Joe Buck!!!
i just saw a lame all star game 2007 commercial- no sox, althoug best record. and im not mad in the least…
Frankly, after seeing the Minky collision, I don’t even care if the Yanks lose this game.
He should have covered third with the shallow fly ball.
Possibly YM…seems like something does happen.
It is a lame all-star commercial. Giambi moving light speed fast to duck the board. The Yanks should be questioning his speed in the commercial.
um was it just me or did a-rod take that to the groin? fox showed him running off the field grabbing groin grimicing.
Rob I totally agree, i just didnt need McCarver to make the point 4 times in 10 minutes. I got it the first time. Its as if he is so proud of himself for realizing this that he had to talk about it multiple times.
for the record, the boxscore for yesterday’s game does show a hbp of youk by proctor…now i have to go because i think i hear a fat lady singing, and i have a slight pain in my groin…
Yes, the HBP was awarded. No, he wasn’t actually hit. The umps were preemptive because of the four earlier HBP.
I can’t believe the way the Yankees just fell apart in that inning. Absolutely disgusting to watch. Gah. I need a drink.
That looked a little low to Phelps
And now the plate is 6 inches wider. Phelps down looking.
lowell has become quite the thorn. magic for okajima.
This is why defense is so important. Ryan Zimmerman of the Washington NAtionals, last year, said (basically) “With the exception a few truly great plays ANYBODY can make great plays. It’s a matter of being in the right place at the right time. I just want to be able to make the plays I’m SUPPOSED to make.”
Jeter blew the bullpen today.
so the rule is even if he wasn’t actually hit with the pitch, the umpire can so declare it because of the earlier hbp’s and [we assume] warnings?….geez…only the sox could get that gift from the umps…the fat lady’s singing louder, i better go…ouch that damn groin…
Listening to McCarver and Buck is like watching Fouts and Musberger in the Waterboy.
Proctor grazed Youkilis’ jersey with that pitch or so they said.
A fatigued groin? That does sound like an odd injury.
that’s what i saw sam, but my eyesight ain’t so good…i’m gonna see if i can sign on as an umpire…
dc – I wasn’t aware of any warnings having been issued. The HBPs I saw were Lowell and ARod; both were just tight pitches; ARod _barely_ got touched by it. Lowell’s was on the wrist. Pretty standard stuff really.
I have to say….McCarver decides to get all “inestigative” about Clemens’ ‘fatigued’ groin. Buck realizes that McCarver is coming un-hitched…moves onto other topics in a way.
Ramirez goes down swinging.
Not watching live right now…what’s this about groin injuries? What else can go wrong?
Brian Cashman and Joe Torre are officially finished unless we win IT ALL.
That may work out better for Roger starting things off with Pittsburgh.
mccarver came unglued as an announcer years ago, and joe buck’s not exactly his dad…so i assume fox just can’t get anybody better….
Ortiz’ ground out bounced up and hit ARod in the pills. Tough hop. He made the play, and jogged back to the dugout, but it looked like he was saying “ow”. He seemed fine though.
Appears the hitting streak for Youk will come to an end.
Lowell to the plate
hd is a beauty thing even if it’s the YES feed. proctor hit his left sleeve, a space formally ocupied by his face. the ball changed directions.
i get that you guy’s over it, i will be too after this series is over.
dc–
that’s true…but I have to say…Buck has been handling McCarver pretty well the last 2 years.
Lowell has been Clu Heywood this game.
it was a good run youk. fun to watch and oh so productive.
*sigh*
Joe Torre just said ( and I’m a master liip-reader) “…he throws a fast ball right down the middle…”
you infer what you need….
exactly how I felt last night AG
Ah, there’s nothing quite like watching Luis Viscaino. So consistent.
Thakns, Gerb. I was scared someone else suffered a bizzare and season-ending injury. Wouldn’t surprise me at this point.
That past inning was one of the most embarrassing I think I’ve seen from the Yankees.
Poor Mientkiewicz.
Poor Proctor. Guy had to get about 8 outs that inning. Got two should-have-been double plays.
And whether he deserves it or not, Mike Lowell’s karma took a couple hits today. Karma cares not about blame, only action.
I would say the earlier Lowell action with Cano was questionable/uncalled for.
The Minky play was at no fault of anyone. That was just a wierd play.
Of course by Monday on the talk circuit Lowell will be characterized as Pac Man Jones body guard.
In a way, it’s Jeter’s fault Minky got KOed. If not for that horrible throw, he’d have had time to make the play/get out of the way. Thanks Captain! Two errors and two GIDPs in critical spots do not a Cap’n Clutch make. Grrr.
mike lowells bat took a couple of hits today.
I can see where YF’s would get hacked off at Lowell for the play on Cano, but you have to give him a pass on the injury to Mientkiewicz. Lowell was just running through the bag, and Minky leaned back into his way, trying to recover the ball. No one is at fault.
don’t start the moral judgement debate on lowell. you don’t want to defend your 3rd bagger. one guy plays the game the right way, the other doesn’t.
No, the Minky play was definitely not Lowell’s fault. He was just running hard to avoid a DP. There was nothing he could’ve done in that situation.
st rod- ha good one!
Both teams giving the fans thier monies worth. Our games last an etra half hour longer than the normal MLB game.
I wasn’t blaming Lowell in the slightest for the Minky play, it’s just irony that it’s the same guy who tackles Cano.
Some Sox fans are sore winners.
Congrats, Sox fans.
Until toorrow night Ladies and Gents.
Everyone get some rest, I think we are going to need it.
FWIW, and not seeing the play except in slomo, I have no opinion on it yet, the in-studio FOX commentators said Lowell’s play wasn’t dirty.
Just passing that along. As I said, I don’t have all the facts/replays at hand. Also fwiw, I didn’t see a problem with the A-Rod/Pedroia slide.
I am soooooo glad the Sox pulled that one out. I was sure they were gonna lose. Nothing like refreshing GameDay with paint-stained fingers every 15-30 minutes to see the score…
Tomorrow should be interesting. Hopefully Pettitte is on his game…
I agree Andrew; the 1st base thing was a fluke.
The shot he gave Cano was pretty rough, but he was standing right in the basepath so it’s fair as far as I’m concerned.
strong win for the Sox. I don’t like baseball today.
The thing with the Lowell/Cano play, was that it looked like it was slowing to a halt, then all of a sudden, WAM, Lowell shoves Cano to the dirt. On the other hand, when you’re trapped like that, how else are you going to break the DP? I can see both sides…
ym- i don’t want to be. this series has taken on some kind of snobish air about who’s in the right. it sours me.
Paul, yeah, he put some mustard on it, but I like rough and tumble baseball.
No one is in the right. Everyone will cheat as long as they think they’ll get away with it. Accidents happen. Pitches get away, people get hit occasionally. The end.
Sorry, YM is in a foul mood right now.
Ill make the point again. If Arod did what Lowell did everyone would go nuts. I dont mind the play just the double standard in the way its covered and precieved. Oh well…
Lowell in his interview after the game says he was taught to do that to Cano while a minor in the Yanks system. Yankees fault ;-). Okajima’s first win, his hometown of Kyoto….still sleeping Saturday night off. Beer with breakfast!
Holy crap, they taught him to take out Cano specifically? Talk about planning…
/snark
I’d better leave :)
Thanks for the good-natured snark YankeeMonkey. Made my day. Only been up twenty minutes, but so far, so good. Sayonara.
sam- of course it would be seen diferently if a-rod did it. he has a history of being involved in shady plays. wether it was a clean play or not, had a-rod been involved, people would question it based on past indiscresion. that’s why you shouldn’t question it with lowell. he has no track record. the same applys for proctor. he has a reputation, so naturally sf’s raise a brow. mike is a good guy and a solid professional. that’s his reputation
Next thing will be if there is a play at home people will whine if there is a collision. New rule: if a fielder occupies space between a baserunner and the base, it is imperitive that the baserunner ask permission “with sugar on top” to proceed to his base.
Lowell did not elbow or puch Cano in the ‘nads, so there is no comparison. Also, Pedroia was not between Arod and the base on their collision.
puch = punch
yeah lowell went after him and threw him to the ground.
Medical update on Minky
Fractured bone in wrist, sprained vertabrea, and mild concussion. Being held in hospital overnight and to go on the DL tomorrow.
Ya, it’s not like Lowell does anything bush league, say, hidden ball tricks or anything..
ARod does a questionable tackel once and he’s a dirty player? Since when?
I’d say we should start with the slappy play in the 2004 ALCS, then the shoulder-to-the-groin, then the “HA!” interference.
It just seems like he loses whatever sense of sportsmanship he has when he’s losing.
Slappy doesn’t make him a dirty player. Probably a stupid one, because a “legal” play would’ve been a take out.. no need to get Albert Belle, but probably something like what Lowell did.
“HA!” interference is just as sportsmanlike as the hidden ball trick.
If you want to count shoulder to the groin, err, let’s look at the mirror. Err, I mean, you only have to look at tonight.
Considering that he’s the best player in the game, and all the eyes are on him on every single play, every single time, and every little thing gets blown up, I’m surprised that’s all we can come up with, to be honest. I think most regulars here agree with the ARod play, and that the “HA!” play was probably silly (though I still find it amusing than anything..)
He’s not a saint like Jeter or Ortiz, but that doesn’t make him a dirty player, just a superstar who everyone looks very closely at every little thing he does, and blowing things out of proportional.
guess what, the “HA” play happened after the Pedroia play so using that as evidence of why Arod was villefied for doing everything to break up a DP doesnt work.