Taking Stock of the Sox

Although it’s more compelling drama, the Yankees’ miserable April would not be possible without some heady play by the Boston Red Sox, who will enter May tomorrow guaranteed to have their largest-ever division lead after the first month of the season — at least 3.5 games.

At 16-8, the Sox have baseball’s best record and are in first place by a wider margin than any other team. Hey, it’s April, but which team would you rather be right now?

There’s plenty to be happy about in Sox Nation. There’s also some concerns being masked by the gaudy record and overshadowed by the Bronx soap opera. Five things to like and three things to not like about the first month:

Like:

  • Starting pitching, of course. This team leads the majors in wins by starters. The Sox’ top four starters — Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka and Wakefield — have all pitched well enough to be aces on another team. Even against the Yankees, though their numbers weren’t pretty (6.08 ERA), the starters locked down baseball’s most ferocious lineup for significant stretches and, more importantly, saved the bullpen from working too much against the big bats.
  • Jonathan Papelbon, Brendan Donnelly, Hideki Okajima. 28 innings, 9 hits, 1 run, 10 walks, 36 strikeouts.And 9.1 scoreless innings against the Yankees.
  • .284/.357/.591 (.948 OPS): The cumulative line of the Sox’ bench — Wily Mo Pena, Alex Cora, Eric Hinske and Doug Mirabelli.
  • David Ortiz (on pace for 47 HR and 149 RBI) and Mike Lowell (27, 135). And, sorry SF, even Julio Lugo (88 walks, 56 steals).
  • Terry Francona, who thus far has made good in-game decisions (unlike another manager or two we could name). He hasn’t pulled pitchers like Matsuzaka too early, but hasn’t left them in three batters too long (which was his trouble last year), either. The success of the starters and bullpen, of course, help make any move — even those, such as putting Okajima in three games in a row against the Yankees, that weren’t so smart — look good.

Dislike:

  • Most of the lineup. Coco Crisp seems to be waking up, and for the third time this season, Manny Ramirez could be putting it together. But they (and Dustin Pedroia) had horrendous Aprils. Jason Varitek was inconsistent, as was Kevin Youkilis after a hot start. Even J.D. Drew, who wowed us over the first two weeks, is in an abominable slump that has chopped 100 points off his average. More than half the lineup have OBPs below .350 and averages below .270.
  • Wily Mo Pena. .172 average. 15 Ks in 29 ABs. Just five hits, two for home runs.
  • Julian Tavarez. Too inconsistent as a reliever last year and too inconsistent as a starter this year. He’s about to be replaced by Jon Lester, and is not particularly better than even the weakest members of the Sox pen (J.C. Romero and Mike Timlin).

The fact that the Red Sox can have a 16-8 record with Manny Ramirez and four other hitters underperforming their career averages is very encouraging. The offense clearly hasn’t clicked yet. However, the concern should be that the Sox’ pitching will return to earth before that happens. The chances are very good that Wakefield returns to a 4.00-4.50 ERA, that Beckett does not maintain a sub-3.00 ERA, and that Schilling tires as the season goes along. Likewise, Lowell has a history of underperforming in the second half, and we don’t yet know which are the real Lugo and Drew. Varitek and Crisp remain question marks.

The real possibility exists that the offense could be maddeningly inconsistent all year long while the pitching returns to somewhere between average and fantastic. Even so, this team will win a lot of games because the rotation and bullpen have shown — at least so far — that they can hold good offenses down, at least enough to let the hitters score however many runs it needs to.

And if there’s anything we learned from the last two weekends, good pitching almost always beats good hitting.

65 comments… add one

  • To be fair, that 16-8 record includes a 5-1 record against a crappy team, so it doesn’t really count!

    Lar April 30, 2007, 5:12 pm
  • Well, this has been a good month for the Sox. I would venture to say that at some point this season, everyone on this team will take their lumps. Manny will again be up around .300 35 120 and Drew will probably hover around .280 for the season. I’m not completely sold on their pitching, but certainly hope the starters keep it rolling for the foreseeable future.
    The bully has been great, but Paps is the only one I trust and who knows how his shoulder will hold up this year. I’m cautiously optimistic.

    jp - SF April 30, 2007, 5:27 pm
  • Yeah, I subscribe to the unfamiliarity theory with Okajima. But I feel good about Donnelly and Paps.

    Paul SF April 30, 2007, 5:31 pm
  • Yeah, I’m pretty darn sure that if the lineup doesn’t improve, that winning percentage is a mirage.
    On a related note, yeah, it would be ridiculous to expect the starting staff and bullpen to continue at this rate. The offense is gonna have to pull the slack at some point. If Manny comes around, that’s half the battle, but Crisp and Pedroia (for instance) need to get better fast.

    Devine April 30, 2007, 5:33 pm
  • I will eat my hat is Manny doesn’t come around, I’m not worried about him at all.
    Again though, I’m not planning any parades yet, the Red Sox fan of old in me simply won’t allow any celebration on any level.
    Weird….

    LocklandSF April 30, 2007, 5:58 pm
  • The Sox have a great duo in Papelbon and Okajima. I don’t know what it is about Oaky but hitters can’t seem to figure him out. Paps of course has his moving 98mph fastball which I can’t help but wonder when it will tear his arm off at some point. Power closers do not last long at all, looking at history, and I don’t believe Paps will be the exception. But for now, he’s as automatic as they come, and wouldn’t be surprised if the guy rivals Gagne’s best years. Well, 2 years of effectiveness anyway. But getting back to the point, the rest of the Sox bullpen are mopup guys, that is, guys you absolutely do not want to put into a game with any kind of close lead (I do not believe Donnelly will keep up this pace at all…he’s shown every sign of decline during his last three years in the majors and hasn’t really done too much (added a new pitch, changed his mechanics/delivery to account for age) to think that he won’t continue it. This was a long parentheses). It reminds me of the Gordon/Rivera duo when there was no one else in the ‘pen, but those two were absolutely fantastic, which I realized I hadn’t appreciated till the middle of last year, when there was no true setup guy. I miss Gordon this year, too.
    Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that even with limited visibility, the guys I expected to suck kinda already have. Pineiro is so far a waste of $4 million with no real upside, Romero is a junk reliever, and Timlin looks cooked.
    Of course the Yankee bullpen (with the exception of Bruney most of the time) has been worse (although I wouldn’t rank any of the Three Junketeers I mentioned in the previous paragraph above any of the Yankee relievers, even Britton), but think of this as a casual baseball fan’s analysis instead of from a YF.

    Andrew April 30, 2007, 6:09 pm
  • Of course, I meant 3 years of Gagne effectiveness.

    Andrew April 30, 2007, 6:11 pm
  • “Yeah, I subscribe to the unfamiliarity theory with Okajima.”
    I don’t. Look, he’ll come to Earth to a certain extent…but the Yankees faced him FIVE times, and looked bad all the way through. Familiarity might hurt his absurd 12 K/9, but I’m still confident in his ability to be a shutdown reliever. And to be fair, some ‘experts’ did predict a big year; Rotoworld thought he had a shot at winning the closer’s role. His changeup/curve/ability to throw both for strikes aren’t going to disappear overnight.
    As for the lineup…in my mind it’s going to get better. I don’t think it’s possible to fully comprehend what having a normal Manny will do to stabilize the middle of the order, and let’s keep something in mind here: We’ve somehow managed to be 3rd in the AL in total runs scored. Our team OPS? Second in the league at .778, .010 behind Toronto. And in terms of runs per game…
    NYY: 5.70
    BOS: 5.21
    TOR: 5.13
    CLE: 5.23
    I don’t see how this can do anything but improve, as Pedroia adjusts and Crisp, fingers-crossed, builds on the last two weeks and turns into SOMETHING close to what we’d expected before last season. I don’t think we’ve seen the best of Matsuzaka yet, knuckleballers do get better with age so there’s at least a chance for Wake to have one of the best seasons of his career, Schilling might regress and I’m starting to believe in this Beckett kid. Then there’s Lester, who after my own rants about his lack of control, struck out 6 and walked zero in his first AAA start.

    desturbd1 April 30, 2007, 6:15 pm
  • Rest of the bullpen…
    Donnelly was still an effective reliever last season and the only difference between 05 and 06 was a slight increase in his walk-rate. Nothing earth-shattering; he’s still a solid 7th-inning guy. High 3′s, low 4′s ERA, with the potential to be a bit better if his control stays good.
    Timlin looks much, much better to me. Still struggling with a little inconsistancy–see: HR’s to Jeter and Wells–but I think he’s getting better. Not his 03-04 self, but way better then his 06.
    Romero is just a mopup guy. Plain and simple. Every team has one.
    Kyle Snyder’s hard to judge, but he had a nice spring, has looked great so far, and his repertoire seems like it’d be perfect in a relief role. A 4/1 K/BB in 6 innings is a nice start, and the only blemish on his record was a Howie Kendrick homer on April 16. Be nice to see him get the ball on the ground more, but I think he’s legit, as I’ve been saying for quite some time.
    Joel Pineiro hasn’t been worth $4MM, that’s for sure. But his %53 GB% is actually pretty good, and I think there’s at least a chance he can be an effective MR if he gets his walks under control. That said, aside from Romero, he’s my least favorite Sox reliever.
    One other thing…with all the talk about whether or not Guidry should be held responsible for the struggles of the Yankee staff to pitch well / stay healthy, it’s worth noting what a fantastic start John Farrell is off to as Boston’s pitching coach. I don’t know how much credit a pitching coach deserves for a staff’s success…but still, first year on the job. Great start for the guy.

    desturbd1 April 30, 2007, 6:33 pm
  • -Even if Wakefield’s ERA goes back to its career norms (which it likely will), he’s still extremely valuable as long as he’s healthy. 200 innings with a league average ERA is better than what some teams get from their #2 starters.
    -I don’t think we’ve seen the best of Matsuzaka either. The media swarm and hype clouds the fact that he’s still, essentially, a rookie making adjustments to a new level of competition. I expect he’ll get better as the season goes on.
    -Not entirely sure about Schilling. At worst, he’ll probably repeat his 2006, which may not be “ace” worthy, but is certainly fine. At least as long as the rest of the rotation doesn’t totally implode.
    -Beckett so far is head and shoulders above my wildest dreams. The sub-3 ERA won’t last, but a sub-4 may not be unrealistic now, and considering his struggles last year, that’d be a huge step forward. At this rate, he really could garner some Cy votes. [Fingers crossed] He’s probably what I’m happiest about right now, other than the the Sox’s surprising bullpen.
    Also, does John Farrell deserves a shout-out? I won’t make wild assumptions based on one month, but everything I’ve heard about this guy makes me think that he’s at least partially responsible for some of the performances we’ve seen…

    mouse - SF April 30, 2007, 6:48 pm
  • Ha! I see deturbd had the same thought I did about Farrell.

    mouse - SF April 30, 2007, 6:49 pm
  • Add to the good:
    -Lester probably will be in the rotation before July.
    -Enough spare ML talent to use as trade bait (Helton, anyone?)
    Add to the bad:
    -Probably not much else in the minors that will help this year.
    -Lowell’s 8 errors.
    -All those goddam LOBs.
    -Ineffective offense against most leftys.
    -Lack of run support for Wakes and Dice-K.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 30, 2007, 6:53 pm
  • “-Probably not much else in the minors that will help this year”
    On the way out to eat…but I’d point to Jacoby Ellsbury, Edgar Martinez, Craig Hansen, and Bryce Cox as possibilities.

    desturbd1 April 30, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • I’m with LocklandSF as far as Manny goes; he’s always been a slow starter. He’ll wind up with .300, 35HR, 150RBI, just like clockwork.
    If the pitching has been over-performing, the offense is under-performing. If performance regresses to the mean, it’ll be a wash.
    I am concerned about defense. It’s been average, at best, and certainly no one out there makes you say “Wow”. If the pitchers begin to lose trust in their fielders and try to get too cute with their pitches, that could lead to a bunch of big innings. If the fielders can’t be remarkable, they do need to be steady, and not give outs away.
    A trade is a definite possibility- I heard someone on NESN discussing the possibility of swinging a deal for Ichiro a while ago(apparently, he’s not happy with Seattle ownership).

    Ayuh - SF April 30, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • I’m excited about Hansen, Hanseck, Delcarmen, E. Martinez and Cox. I’d be suprised if at least a couple of those guys weren’t traded, but I think we’ve got some pretty damned capable bullpen help in the system. I’d love to see them trade some of our “excess arms” (I use that term EXTREMELY cautiously) to stock up on some hitting prospects at catcher, 1b and/or 3b. In addition to any of those guys, I’d be comfortable flipping Tavarez, Romero, Pinieor, Lopez, Runelvys Hernandez. Maybe we could even get something for Clement if we were to pick up most of his salary.

    Tyrel SF April 30, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • I do NOT want Helton or Ichiro. The former is an albatross contract-wise. Yeah, he may help for a year, maybe two, but what about the other three past that where he’s making an insane amount of money and heavily declining? It’d be a lot worse than what went down in NY with Bernie.
    Ichiro is getting up there, doesn’t walk, and only hits singles. Pass.
    I think Donnelly will be a more reliable option than anybody in the Yankee bullpen outside of Mo, and MAYBE Bruney (but I’m not convinced yet there.) Farnsworth and Vizcaino are underwhelming, and Britton has shown nothing. If Okajima can keep pitching well (not to this extent, but say, a 3.00 ERA and close to a K an inning,) and Paps is Paps, that is more than solid enough.
    I don’t understand saying how Pineiro has no upside. The guy has a 94 mph fastball that moves, and a plus curve/slider. He’s had command issues, but if he can harness them, watch out. If not, then he remains in 6th inning duty. If the rest of the pen continues to be good, we can’t lose on him.
    Considering we’re not far behind the Yankees in runs scored with Crisp, Varitek, Pedroia, and Manny all underneath their capabilities, that’s very good. The pitching will slow down a bit in the summer, but the bats will wake up. Ortiz, Youks, and Drew are right about where they should be numbers-wise, Lugo’s a little below on BA but good as far as OBP goes, and Lowell is the only regular above his head right now.
    There’s a lot to like.
    I’m just hoping Romero or Tavarez are the ones to get DFA’d or moved when Lester’s ready to return. I don’t want to lose any of the other guys.

    Steve April 30, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • “I’d point to Jacoby Ellsbury, Edgar Martinez, Craig Hansen, and Bryce Cox as possibilities.”
    In my most optimistic moment, I’d agree. But realistically, I wouldn’t count on any of those guys to help this year.
    Embarrassingly, I forgot about Delcarmen and Hansack, who probably will help. Possibly Lopez.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 30, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • “I do NOT want Helton or Ichiro”
    I’m with you there Steve. Let’s save our money til Johan hits the market.

    Tyrel SF April 30, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Of course, the Yankee offense could be said to be underperforming as well. In fact half of the team could be said to be “underperforming”. Cano, Matsui, Abreu…and since you fellas throw Pedroia and CoCo into the mix I can add Minky and Melky to the list. If the Sox are supposed to be putting up better than 5.5 runs a game, I guess it could be said the Yankees will eventually post better than 6 runs a game once everyone starts ‘performing’.
    As to the pitchers, all are ‘underperforming’ except maybe Pettitte who is performing to expectations. The Yankees will get massive improvement there, just because we know they can. Don’t we? Or does this only apply to Sox players?
    The bullpen, too, has massively underperformed. So lots of improvement there, definitely.
    The only person who has really ‘overperformed’ is A-Rod. Do we take that into consideration as well? Can we start a Yankees thread?

    Andrew April 30, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • Oh, and Damon too. Massive underperformance.
    Man, once these teams start performing how will they ever lose a game? Once that starts happening MLB should stop what they’re doing and pit them against each other, schedule be damned. It’ll be like Peter vs. Syler in that episode of Heroes tonight. Epic.

    Andrew April 30, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Melky underperforming is like Hinske underperforming. It really doesn’t matter, and everybody knows Eyechart really can’t hit. Coco and Pedroia can, the former has gotten things going but his stats haven’t caught up, the latter’s BABIP is unsustainably low.
    I love your bullshit excuses, though. Your rotation isn’t underperforming, it’s just bad. Your bullpen is taxed because of the rotation being that bad.
    Abreu and Matsui genuinely are below what they’re going to put up, those are the only two I’m seeing. Damon’s hurt. Cano’s hitting .270, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was near that at the end of the year. Jeter, A-Rod, Giambi, and Posada are all above their heads to certain extents right now, the only hitter on the Sox like that is Lowell (and Cora, if you count the bench guys.)
    The only starter of yours that’s genuinely underperforming is Wang, but he missed most of ST and is just coming around, it’s not the same as a regular slow start. Pettite’s been pitching over his head outside of the last Boston game. Karstens/Igawa/Rasner…what’s to be expected there, really? You can’t say they’ve been worse than expected, just the same way we can’t say Tavarez has been worse than expected. They’re all just not that good.
    Thanks for the sarcasm, too. Really helps the flow of the conversation.
    Sorry it pisses you off so much that some of us are talking about how our lineup isn’t up to snuff yet. Really, though…in the future, there’s no need to get your panties all in a wad over it.

    Steve April 30, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • The problem, Andrew, is that the Yankee offense WAS performing — yet still losing games. Now it seems like the hitters are trying to do too much and slumping. The Sox’ offense, on the other hyand is only now starting to get up to expectations (individually), and while it was in a funk, the Sox were WINNING games.
    I wouldn’t mind getting Helton. The Sox have the cash to absorb the last few years of his enormous contract (and they wouldn’t have to absorb all of it at any rate), and with other hitters in the lineup, they wouldn’t need him to be the .350/.450/.550 hitter he used to be. This has all been discussed. Either it will happen and I’ll be happy, or it won’t and I won’t be unhappy.
    Forget Ichiro, who has slid significantly since his first few years. I would not want him on my team. Crisp has more of an upside than he does, and if we’re going to go after free-agent center fielders, you might as well take a look at Jones. He’s the oinly one worthwhile, and even he’s on the wrong side of 30. Jacoby Ellsbury is the CF of the future, and he looks to be arriving sooner rather than later. The only question is how much can Coco up his trade value before that day arrives?
    As for Okajima and unfamiliarity: I’m not saying he’s not good. I think he’ll regress as teams get a better look and more video on him. True, the Yankees have had the most looks — and the least success — against him, but even so, that adds up to only three or four plate appearances for those hitters unlucky enough to face him the most. In one game, that’s enough time to make an adjustment. But not over the course of a week… I just think he’ll struggle a bit n the second half but end up with a very respectable 3-4 ERA.
    I still like Donnelly, though regression is inevitable. Farrell certainly deserves major props. I didn’t like letting Wallace go, but it’s not hard to understand when you see the job Farrell’s done thus far. Even Pineiro, who I’m still leery of, has looked much better.
    Anyway, any time you can look at your first-place team, and it has one of its two major offensive catalysts struggling and its supposed major flaw has turned out to be a success, you gotta be happy — if a little uncertain.

    Paul SF April 30, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • “I still like Donnelly, though regression is inevitable.”
    You mean you think someone will score on him eventually? Ahhhh, I guess I’ll give you that one.

    Tyrel SF April 30, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • Haha Steve, I was just pointing out how ridiculous the whole “underperforming” argument is.
    The rotation is ‘just bad’? Wow, so I guess that the runner-up to the Cy Young last year just really kinda sucks, and Mussina isn’t actually going to pitch any innings this year, and he’ll just suck despite being one of the 10 best pitchers in the AL last year. Pettitte too, yeah he sucks. No doubt about it, how can I argue? It was a joke, man. Look who’s getting his panties in a wad. I’m sorry for complimenting my team in the same exact way you’re complimenting yours. My bad, only the Sox are allowed to underperform. The Yankees just suck. I should’ve known.

    Andrew April 30, 2007, 11:58 pm
  • “I can add Minky and Melky to the list.”
    No and maybe.
    Minky is giving all he’s got. There’s nothing more. I’m stunned he has two homers.
    Melky, I’ve always thought he was overrated. But I could be wrong so I might give you that one.

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 12:15 am
  • Minky hit .283 last year, and has a career BA of .268, and a more notable career OBP of .357. Why is he only allowed to bat below the Mendoza line this year?
    Melky had a rather good year last year for a 21 year old. Most notable was his near 1:1 K:BB ratio. Show me a 21 year old not named Miguel who puts up any kind of power in the majors. Why then is he allowed to be severely doubted, but Pedroia (who, btw, is also batting below the Mendoza line) is only going to get better?
    Does this April trump all of baseball history?

    Andrew May 1, 2007, 12:26 am
  • “Of course, the Yankee offense could be said to be underperforming as well. In fact half of the team could be said to be “underperforming”. Cano, Matsui, Abreu…and since you fellas throw Pedroia and CoCo into the mix I can add Minky and Melky to the list. If the Sox are supposed to be putting up better than 5.5 runs a game, I guess it could be said the Yankees will eventually post better than 6 runs a game once everyone starts ‘performing’.”
    Uhh…yeah. One could say that. And many have. Wasn’t this lineup supposed to be capable of 1000 runs this season? That’s 6.17 per game. Boston’s at 5.2 right now and I don’t think something between 5.4 and 5.7 is unreasonable. As for NY, I never disagreed with the 1000 run figure, and I don’t now…if that lineup is ever complete and clicking.
    FWIW, none of the SF’s here made any statements w/r to New York’s current situation, besides someone pointing out that the current difference in runs scored isn’t that enormous, until you came in sh*tting on the thread for no real reason. What, exactly, is ridiculous about pointing at specific guys as underperforming? Manny’s underperforming, what else do you call 3 homers and a .202 average from Manny fricken Ramirez? Abreu and Damon; same deal. Cano. They’re well below what we had very good reason to expect before the season, and if they’re healthy, what we might still expect over the rest of this year.
    And if a big chunk of a lineup is struggling and there’s some reason to be optimistic about them turning around–Manny, Crisp, Tek, Pedroia on our end, Abreu, Damon, Cano, Matsui on yours–there’s nothing ridiculous about wondering whether the lineup as a whole can improve. I really don’t understand your problem here Andrew…

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 12:32 am
  • Oh…and yeah, Bill, I don’t really EXPECT those guys to contribute…I just think there’s at least a slim possibility. Ellsbury’s only chance is if he hits like he has so far for another couple months and forces Boston’s hand…can’t say I see that happening. But I’ve heard Cox, Hansen, Delcarmen, and Martinez all mentioned as possible late-07 or 08 contributors; they aren’t locks, like Lincecum in SF or Hughes in NY, but there’s reason to be optimistic that one of them might put it together sooner rather then later. Hansack, Corey, and Lopez have a better shot at filling in when the injury bug bites.

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 12:36 am
  • I was just amused at the amount of fellatio being performed on this team, and decided to do the same to the Yankees. Apparently Steve, for one, didn’t like it and decided to tell me over and over that the Yankees just suck and there’s nothing they can do about it.
    I don’t have any problem in projecting optimism about players (well, okay, maybe Pineiro, but just because there’s as much to hope about him as there is Jeff Weaver), I just kinda wanted to try it on the Yankees. Notice that I haven’t actually insulted or pointed out any Sox players aside from those three in the bullpen. Plus I forgot about Kyle Snyder.
    I also have kind of a problem in expecting the Sox to get anything, and anything remotely tied to a living breathing body at all back with a package of Pineiro or Snyder or Tavarez or anyone mentioned above. Runelvys Hernandez was mentioned I believe. The king of rock and roll himself!
    I just think that expecting all these players to continue to perform at or near their current levels and all of the Sox who are underperforming to step it up is kind of silly in a realistic sense. Trading those players for anything is worse than silly. I guess maybe I should leave the Sox thread to the Sox fans, but that would go against the nature of the site. Someone had to break up the group hugs and rainbows.

    Andrew May 1, 2007, 12:47 am
  • Andrew, in defense of my RS bretheren, I believed from the beginning of the season that the NYY rotation wasn’t that good. I saw it going into camp as a No. 1, 2 No. 3s and two No. 5s.
    Right before opening day, Gimabi said on BBTN that NYY roation had guys who would go deep into the game, 7 innings minuimum consistently. REALLY? CMW, yes; Pettitte and Mussina are getting up there in age so maybe not consistently; but Igawa and Pavano? Who’s kidding who?
    And that opinion was before three of them went on the DL.
    Obviously I like CWM, and we know why he’s not getting it done, so he gets a pass.
    Pettitte, I liked that pickup. There’s no reason to believe that he won’t rediscover that fire he had his first go-around in NY.
    I’m not convinced Mussina isn’t washed up. While he’s been a horse and certainly could recover, I’ve heard rumblings that he’s in serious trouble.
    Pavano made more starts that I thought he would. From Day 1, he was talked about as a front-line starter when he hasn’t pitched in two years. Expectations for him were way too high. It would be like us expecting Lester to be in the rotation out of camp. Not realistic.
    Igawa, didn’t know enough about him to believe he would be more than a decent No. 5 guy. He hasn’t show anything yet to make me believe I’m wrong. But he’s a lefty.
    The pen has surprised me. I thought it’d be better. But I’ve never been a fan of Farnsworth going back to his Cubs days; Viz is solid; Mo is Mo; Bruney throws hard but is unproven; Karstens and Myers, eh, whatever; Proctor is good when not overworked.
    On offense, yeah, you’ve got a lot of people not pulling their weight. Damon, what you’re getting now is why Theo let him walk. Playing that hard is catching up to him. He’s hero, no doubt.
    JG, AR, DJ, RC, JP, HM will hit. BA, are we seeing signs of the post 2005 all-star game slump he’s been in short of his 2006 tour with NYY? He certainly could snap out of it. Bench is weak and untested.
    This team reminds me a lot of past RS teams that looked much better than they performed, moreso than other recent NYY teams since 2000.
    On the other hand, as I’ve said many times, don’t underestimate NYY. They have a way, an inexplicable way, of making it work. They have my whole life.
    I’m sure you can do the same thing for RS. No sarcasm here. I’m sure I probably I have faith in many of them that leaves you scratching your head. Also understand that because they are NYY, it is paramount to hold them to a higher standard, just like RS.

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 12:49 am
  • “Oh…and yeah, Bill, I don’t really EXPECT those guys to contribute…I just think there’s at least a slim possibility.”
    I know, d1. I’m saying I don’t think any of them are possible. Maybe Hansen. Maybe maybe Ellsbury, because he’s the hot shit prospect in the organization. I just feel as though Theo is playing them really close to the vest. (I realize I’m taking a very conservative view here.)

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 12:58 am
  • “Trading those players for anything is worse than silly. I guess maybe I should leave the Sox thread to the Sox fans, but that would go against the nature of the site. Someone had to break up the group hugs and rainbows.”
    Twas I that mentioned Runelvys, in a list of guys I think think are expendable. You don’t think some combo of the above named, maybe a Hansen/Cox/Delcarmen plus a Snyder/Tavarez/Piniero/Hernandez plus a WMP/Coco/Moss/Murphy could net something for the Sox? If I recall correctly, the Yanks gave up less than that to pick up Abreu AND Lidle at the deadline.
    Anyways. Clearly you need a hug, or even a hugfest. I’m sorry none of your brethren showed up today. Maybe it’s the weather.

    Tyrel SF May 1, 2007, 1:05 am
  • “Obviously I like CWM, and we know why he’s not getting it done, so he gets a pass.”
    Why isn’t he getting it done? Is his hammy still bothering him? And if so, why rush him back and risk re-injury?

    Tyrel SF May 1, 2007, 1:09 am
  • Ah, PLUS players that are actually worth something, yes, that would be a lot more reasonable and maybe perhaps likely. Though I would smile if it ended up being Todd Helton. I was under the impression you were considering just dumping all junk on some team in exchange for something actually useful in return.
    Also, Abreu + Lidle was an absolute salary dump, and an idiotic one by Gillick at that. I’d imagine Philly would have made the playoffs had they not unloaded for junk. However the players you had mentioned are not prospects, and some are even salary-dump eligible on a less-endowed team as well.
    I would gladly welcome a hugfest, I’m never one to reject a good hug, unless said hugger was especially smelly. However it’s the Yankees winning that will truly put a smile on my face and a song in my heart and honey in my tea and hair on my chest. Well, I guess that last one’d be whiskey.

    Andrew May 1, 2007, 1:13 am
  • “I don’t have any problem in projecting optimism about players (well, okay, maybe Pineiro, but just because there’s as much to hope about him as there is Jeff Weaver), I just kinda wanted to try it on the Yankees. Notice that I haven’t actually insulted or pointed out any Sox players aside from those three in the bullpen. Plus I forgot about Kyle Snyder.
    I also have kind of a problem in expecting the Sox to get anything, and anything remotely tied to a living breathing body at all back with a package of Pineiro or Snyder or Tavarez or anyone mentioned above. Runelvys Hernandez was mentioned I believe. The king of rock and roll himself!”
    Ah, so you’ve disagreed with us from the very beginning, and so far we’ve been right and you’ve been wrong…hehe. Look, the deal with Pineiro has always been: Can he keep the ball on the ground and in the ballpark? So far, yes, he can. He’s walking too many people but he’s off to a good start; the team signed him with the idea that a change in delivery would make him a suitable reliever. Some of us agreed, some of us didn’t. (I did, cautiously) So far…he’s been OK; not $4MM OK, but OK. I think he could go either way, to be honest. Once again: 53% GB%, 0 HR. Hit-rates a tad high, but early returns are decent.
    As for Snyder, I’ve been pulling for him since March, and what, exactly do you have against him? Look at his numbers as a reliever last season–.222 BAA, 13/4 K/BB, 3 HR in 11.1 IP–only thing that held him back was a huge HR-rate, something I thought he could improve. (Cuz, it’d be hard to get any worse…) So far, it has. Why should I or anyone else be less optimistic about him now?
    PS: Hernandez’s AAA dominance is more confusing then anything else. I don’t expect it to continue and I don’t think he’s a good pitcher…but it’s kinda funny.

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 1:21 am
  • //The rotation is ‘just bad’? Wow, so I guess that the runner-up to the Cy Young last year just really kinda sucks, and Mussina isn’t actually going to pitch any innings this year, and he’ll just suck despite being one of the 10 best pitchers in the AL last year. Pettitte too, yeah he sucks//
    Give me a break. It wasn’t a joke, and you weren’t trying to be funny, you were being a prick without a real point.
    Wang pitched WAY above his peripherals last year. He’s good, but there’s no way he recreates 2006 again unless he somehow manages to turn into Brandon Webb and start missing bats.
    Mussina’s fastball was clocking in at around 86 before he got hurt and he wasn’t far above average the two years previous to 2006. It’s a stretch to think he’ll be able to put up a 3.6 ERA again.
    Pettitte wasn’t all that great in the weak NL Central last year, what makes you think the transition back to the AL is going to go by without a hitch? He may be good, but frontline starter stuff, no.
    And those are your three hands-down best starters. You can think of that as a good rotation all you want, but to me, it looks a hell of a lot like the (injured) Schilling-Wells-Clement BS the Sox were throwing out there in 2005.

    Steve May 1, 2007, 3:37 am
  • This from today’s Boston Globe:
    Sunday was Jacoby Ellsbury’s first day off this season. The Portland outfielder has hit safely in a career-high 13 consecutive games, batting .404 (23 for 57). He has reached base in 23 straight contests dating to Aug. 27, 2006. His .455 average (30 for 66) leads all minor leaguers, and he ranks first in the Eastern League with 30 hits, 10 doubles, and a .507 on-base percentage. Ellsbury has started 15 of Portland’s 16 games this season.
    I could be wrong.

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 9:24 am
  • I just think that expecting all these players to continue to perform at or near their current levels and all of the Sox who are underperforming to step it up is kind of silly in a realistic sense.
    Which must be why I said:
    The fact that the Red Sox can have a 16-8 record with Manny Ramirez and four other hitters underperforming their career averages is very encouraging. The offense clearly hasn’t clicked yet. However, the concern should be that the Sox’ pitching will return to earth before that happens.
    So what was the point again, Andrew?

    Paul SF May 1, 2007, 10:08 am
  • “Igawa, didn’t know enough about him to believe he would be more than a decent No. 5 guy. He hasn’t show anything yet to make me believe I’m wrong”
    The jury’s still out for sure, but you’re overlooking last saturday’s 6 inning, 2 hit shutout performance.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 11:17 am
  • “The jury’s still out for sure, but you’re overlooking last saturday’s 6 inning, 2 hit shutout performance.”
    He still walked four and has had control what, one time this season? Dan Cabrera has much better stuff and he can’t get away with walking that many guys; Igawa’s no different. Saturday doesn’t change my opinion of him one bit; I didn’t think he had enough to be more then a mediocre 5th or a reliever from the first time I watched him pitch. Based entirely on my amateur scouting eye. ;-)

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 12:52 pm
  • My point, Paul, was that the offense has ALREADY clicked in some sense, and that you are clearly expecting people like Cora and WMP and Crisp to continue doing what they’ve done in the past two weeks. That won’t happen, I pretty much guarantee it. Once Manny starts hitting, sure that’ll be great, but where will those triples and grand slams go? Do you really expect every part of the offense to ‘click’ at the same time? That’s really what it sounds like when you say the Sox offense seems like it can ‘only improve’.
    The Sox have a 16-8 record because when their pitching has been mediocre, the offense has stepped up, and when the offense has sucked the pitching has shined. You can attribute that to clutchness or awesometude or anything you want, but I’ll attribute it to certain members of the team being hot at exactly the right time.
    I think expecting the offense to improve past what they’ve been doing, as a whole, is a bit much. Lowell will come back down to earth as he always does, Cora will disappear as he remembers he’s Alex Cora, and pitchers will remember that WMP, for the life of him, can only hit those meatballs down the plate, anything else he swings feebly at. Julio Lugo, too, will not keep up his torrid pace, as pitchers realize that walking him is probably the stupidest thing they could do. For the past two weeks, and only the past two weeks, the scrubs have been picking up Manny’s slack. Expecting them to contribute significantly is a little bit over-optimistic, don’t you think? Look at the lineup, the past two weeks forgotten and the entire time before that remembered, and tell me it’s good for over 5.5 runs per game. It’s really not. I know that when you’re in first place everything seems like it’s working and how will you ever start to suck because everyone’s doing the right thing at the right time, but that’s exactly what was happening last year, too. People were overperforming and when they all fell back to their talent level it was earth-shattering.
    And d1, I’ll repeat: even with limited visibility and the best schedule they could possibly ask for, the scrubs in the bullpen have still underwhelmed. I remember realizing that outside of Paps and Timlin last year, the Sox really had nothing in their bullpen, but it was hidden by every starter going 7 innings. When the pitching hit a slump, the bullpen was exposed. That hasn’t happened yet this year, and the scrubs have still allowed more than their share of baserunners.
    And Steve, you can drastically underrate the Yankees top 3 all you want, but saying they’re most like the all-injured bunch of Schilling Wells Clement? Do you actually see what you type? Here, let me educate you, because you clearly need it.
    Wang throws heat. He’s not a junkballer who has a good sinker, he actually has STUFF. I’m always amazed when he throws his 96 mph fastball because I’ve always thought of him as a low-90s at best fastball guy with a great sinker. That’s not the case, and even his sinker is in the low 90s. You can look at peripherals which Wang consistently outperformed all last season, but when Wang’s sinker is working he’s going to get weak groundballs. And weak groundballs rarely find ‘holes,’ and in fact groundballs as a whole find fielders far more often than getting through gaps. Wang, because he also throws mid-90s fastballs, is the real deal. I’m sorry SOSH has ingrained in your head that he’s just mediocre and there’s nothing he can do about it.
    Mussina was throwing 86 out of spring training. Oh no! He’ll never get his velocity up to 89 like it was all last year, that’s unpossible! Forget it, dude. He had a hamstring problem, not elbow pain. Judging him based on 1.1 starts is more than disingenuous. He’ll also, like Wang, be on a pitch count two starts back. So crow all you want if Moose only goes 5 innings on Wednesday, but know that you’re just being annoying more than anything.
    Pettitte was one of the best pitchers in the NL second half of last year. He had a freakish first half where he let go an unusually high number of homeruns, and had an over 5.00 ERA. His second half was great, as really he’s always been a second half pitcher, and he is a reliable guy. Not top of the rotation, no, but that’s why Wang is there. Pettitte would be a #2 on any team.
    I really don’t see where you get off instantly judging a top 3 that has barely even pitched in tandem yet. I’m sorry that they haven’t lived up to your standards of Schilling Beckett Matsuzaka April, but saying they just suck and there’s nothing they can do about it is ignorance at best. I hope I’ve given you a clearer picture of the Yankee pitching situation, and that you go forth in understanding and peace.

    Andrew May 1, 2007, 12:55 pm
  • Pettitte would be a #2 on any team.
    Rotations in which Pettitte would not be the #2:
    BOS (Schilling/Beckett)
    MIL (Sheets/Capuano)
    ATL (Smoltz/Hudson)
    PHI (surprisingly)(Hamels/Moyer!)
    OAK (Harden/Haren)
    KCR (Meche/Greinke)
    LAA (Lackey/Escobar/Colon (until he gets hurt again)
    This is not to say there’s anything wrong with Pettitte. But the idea that he would be the 2nd best starter on “any team” is ludicrous. (PIT, MIN, and a few other teams might’ve been included, but I’m sure Ortiz’s success in Minnesota will be limited, and it’s not clear (beyond Snell) which of the Pirates young guns will put it together this season)

    QuoSF May 1, 2007, 1:27 pm
  • “And d1, I’ll repeat: even with limited visibility and the best schedule they could possibly ask for, the scrubs in the bullpen have still underwhelmed.”
    Would REALLY love to hear what they would have had to do to impress. Romero is a scrub…nobody will argue with you there. Everyone else has pitched well in (extremely) short action, with the possible exception of Pineiro and his poor control. (And Timlin, who does have me worried but who I think has looked a little better then his numbers suggest) They won’t all stay this good, but at least a couple of them will stay effective. The pen is not the weakness we all thought it was before the season started. And guess what? That’s OPINION, and not unreasonable at that.
    As for the offense…you basically disagree with the way many of us view our players and have since before the start of the season. Why shouldn’t we hope that Crisp makes a return to something close to his pre-06 self? Because you don’t think he will? Ditto, Julio Lugo (Torrid pace? He’s batting .259 with a .349 OBP; avg-wise that’s below what I expect). There’s good reason for optimism. I think Melky Cabrera’s 06 was a complete fluke and that he’s nothing more then a glorified defensive replacement, but I’d bet you disagree with me there, right? But you don’t see me getting all pissy about YF’s who insist he’s just slumping…
    No, Pena won’t keep hitting clutch grandies, and Cora won’t keep hitting like this either…but there’s really nothing particularly crazy about suggesting that improvement from the REGULARS–Manny, Pedroia, Crisp–could more then balance the drop off from the bench and Lowell, who’s really the only starter I think has overachived to this point. And FWIW, I do think Pena could be a decent 4th OF, and a lot better then he’s been so far this season, Baltimore game notwithstanding.
    Heh, Quo, you forgot Toronto, or maybe just don’t like AJ Burnett (Halladay/Burnett). WAY too early to make any grandoise predictions…but keep an eye on Tampa’s Jamie Shields. He’s got great stuff and has taken a huge step forward so far this season, throwing consecutive dominant starts against Minny and Cleveland; he’s in 4th in the AL in K’s now.
    I’d add SD (Peavy/Young), too.

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 1:35 pm
  • Thanks, D1. I don’t have anything to add. Calling Julio Lugo a scrub is about the silliest thing I’ve read in this thread, followed closely by the idea that a dropoff from players who get action once or twice a week will negate the influence of a normal Manny Ramirez in the lineup EVERY DAY (even leaving out any potential (likely)Crisp/Pedroia rebounds.
    As for Pettitte, look at it this way: He would be the fourth starter on the Red Sox’ staff.

    Paul SF May 1, 2007, 1:45 pm
  • Heh, just realized that the only ‘scrub’ in our pen I didn’t give something of a pass to was Snyder, which isn’t really fair. So maybe I’m not as high on them as I thought I was, though there’s at least something to be optimistic about w/r to Timlin and Pineiro. I still think they’re much better then the mess we had last season…but like most teams, the starting pitching needs to go 6-7 consistantly.

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 1:46 pm
  • “He still walked four and has had control what, one time this season?”
    If you look at his japanese stats you’ll see that his control was very good – it’s a reasonable assumption that it will improve.(same with Matsuzaka)
    I think not being allowed to play winter ball has a lot to do with Melky’s start.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 1:52 pm
  • “He still walked four and has had control what, one time this season?”
    If you look at his japanese stats you’ll see that his control was very good – it’s a reasonable assumption that it will improve.(same with Matsuzaka)
    I think not being allowed to play winter ball has a lot to do with Melky’s start.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 1:55 pm
  • Sorry for the double.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 1:56 pm
  • “As for Pettitte, look at it this way: He would be the fourth starter on the Red Sox’ staff.”
    Right now maybe, but given Matsuzaka’s start,that is debatable.
    Let’s revisit this topic as the season progresses, ok?

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 1:59 pm
  • I’ve seen his Japan stats…what has me concerned is that his stuff might just be too mediocre to throw for strikes consistantly. By which I mean, he either nibbles or takes his chances with a lot of balls being put in play. Something I think I remember reading about him in Japan was a propensity to use the high fastball as a strikeout pitch–like Matsuzaka–but that’s not going to work over here, not if he only throws it 88. I dunno…I just don’t like him in the AL East; MLB players who faced him in Japan weren’t impressed either. I think David Wright called him mediocre…

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 2:02 pm
  • “I think David Wright called him mediocre…”
    Takes one to know one :)
    That’s why I think the jury is still out. To me he hasn’t been nibbling so far – just missing the target.You’re right about his high fastball, even though his velocity is usually 90-91, not 88. He needs to keep the ball down, but it seems that hasn’t gotten through to him yet.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 2:22 pm
  • ” “Obviously I like CWM, and we know why he’s not getting it done, so he gets a pass.”
    Why isn’t he getting it done? Is his hammy still bothering him? And if so, why rush him back and risk re-injury?”
    CMW barely had spring training. He’s doing it now on the fly. The guy’s good and he’s proven. He’ll be fine. I’m OK cutting him slack.

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • “The Sox have a 16-8 record… You can attribute that to clutchness or awesometude or anything you want, but I’ll attribute it to certain members of the team being hot at exactly the right time.”
    Um, isn’t that true of every successful baseball team ever? If every hitter on the team is successful 3 or 4 times out of 10 (we’ll go by OBP rather than AVG), then doesn’t overall team success necessitate some of those players being hot at the right time and picking up the slack for those players who are not succeeding at that moment?

    Tyrel SF May 1, 2007, 2:33 pm
  • Andrews, you’re right, it’s too early to say with any certainty what he’s capable of. I’m just not optimistic. ;-)
    I wonder if the new ball has had a bigger effect on him then it seems to have had on Matsuzaka or Okajima? Anyone ask him about it yet, or is he too busy playing with toy airplanes to do interviews?

    desturbd1 May 1, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • Not that I’ve heard.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 2:39 pm
  • Bill, Wang has a horizontally split fingernail on the middle finger of his pitching hand.

    Andrews May 1, 2007, 2:46 pm
  • Yes Tyrel, but that takes a certain bit of “right place at the right time”, which no one can realistically expect to always be the case. That’s been the case for most of Boston’s games up to this point, and have included guys like Cora and Wily Mo and Crisp doing what they hadn’t done in years. Predicting major breakouts for every player on the team at the same time lasting till the end of the season is really what it seems like people are doing, and I hate when fans of any team do that, because it just. won’t. happen.
    Quo, you really think that Pettitte wouldn’t be the number one on Kansas City? Are you really taking ONE MONTH precedent over all of baseball history? When I say “#2″ I mean long-term number 2. I’ll give you the Angels and Boston too (although Pettitte would have certainly started as #2, and that’s what I’m talking about), but Milwaukee (Are you really trying to say Chris Capuano, in the NL, is better than Pettitte?) Philly (Jamie Moyer would start the season #2 over Pettitte? That’s disingenuous at best), and ESPECIALLY Kansas City is total crap. I enjoy how SFs underrate Pettitte, but sometimes it just gets ridiculous.
    Following that line of reasoning, I guess I could say that Jason Marquis of the Cubs would clearly be the number 2 on Boston’s staff, and Carlos Zambrano wouldn’t even be in the rotation.

    Andrew May 1, 2007, 2:51 pm
  • Andrew, look at how Moyer has done this season, and he’s been relatively successful for several years.
    I actually think Meche MAY have turned a corner (in his 6 starts this season, he’s faced BAL, BOS, CHW, DET (twice) and SEA, and other than Seattle, which could have its moments, and Baltimore, the same, none of them are exactly lacking in offensive power), and if you don’t believe Greinke has a higher potential to dominate than Andy Pettitte…then you have never watched Greinke throw a baseball.
    Re: Capuano. Um. Both were in the NL last season, and Capuano’s WHIP of 1.247 was…I dunno…better than Pettitte’s of 1.437…in the same league. In the same division.
    You didn’t qualify it with “start the season” by the way. I could only assume you meant to include the results thusfar, though with Marquis you’ve got to adjust for AL, where he still might have been this good, or this lucky (.233 BABIP).
    Of course, the AL-NL argument could be moot in certain cases (i.e. Moyer, Pettitte) because pitchers have been successful in both leagues.
    It’s not underrating Pettitte to say that he would be the #3 on the teams I mentioned. Ranking starters like that can sometimes be pointless at best anyway. Beckett is technically the #2, but has been pitching like the #1. Ditto CMW vs. Mussina last season (though that was close). And it’s, of course, all relative to the staff quality. At this point, Pettitte is the #1, 2, and 3 on the Yankee staff. (not because of how he’s been pitching, but because of the crap the Yanks have had to put out there on days when he doesn’t start (or relieve)).
    d1: I considered Toronto (and Tampa), but Burnett’s peripherals are kind of extremely scary at this point, and he’s been extremely lucky thusfar in terms of BABIP. I don’t know if Young can keep up what he did last season (SDP), but I do think Shields has the talent down in Tampa.
    If I were going to do these based on where I think the most starting talent is, I might’ve put Pettitte as the #4 or 5 on Pittsburgh’s staff. It’s too bad all they have in support is Jason Bay and Freddy Sanchez, because Gorzelany (sp?), Duke, Snell, and Maholm could be *almost* mid-90s ATL redux in terms of a starting staff’s ability to carry more than its share of the load.

    QuoSF May 1, 2007, 3:56 pm
  • Quo, you really think that Pettitte wouldn’t be the number one on Kansas City? Are you really taking ONE MONTH precedent over all of baseball history?
    All right. For KCR, I’ll take Bret Saberhagen and Mark Gubicza.

    QuoSF May 1, 2007, 3:59 pm
  • Sox’ pythagorean record is in line with their actual RS/RA numbers (16 vs. 16), while the Yankees are behind (9 vs. 12).
    Just some added information, offered without comment.

    SF May 1, 2007, 4:06 pm
  • I’m dumb by the way. Kevin Appier instead of Gubicza.

    QuoSF May 1, 2007, 4:08 pm
  • props to andrew and andrews for being the only yf’s to not disappear during this rough stretch. while most yf’s have become ranger fans for the time being, you guy’s still believe in your team. it’s admirable.

    sf rod May 1, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • andrew, give it up…i’m on your side, and 99% of what you said is right on…players on both teams are over-achieving and players on both teams are under-achieving…you can expect that to flip-flop as the season wears on, and players begin moving toward the mean of their past performances, but there will be some deviations [as in an "off year", or injury]…for the most part the difference right now between the sox and yanks is that the sox are getting results, in spite of their under-achievers, especially against the yankees this past week…they not only lead the division, but i read somewhere [too lazy to confirm this, but i'm sure someone will relish pointing it out if i got it wrong] that the sox are among the leaders in a number of offensive categories, including runs scored, and their pitching has been great, especially the starters…hard to imagine that getting too much better, but i suppose it’s possible…i wonder, since 5 of the sox 16 wins came against the yankees, and the general consensus here [not counting you] is that the yanks suck, how will the sox fare when they go up against some legitimate major leaguers?…
    i’m only suggesting that you give it up because i’ve been in your shoes before…you’re wasting your breath…the sox fans seem a bit out of sorts today, kind of cranky…i’m not so sure it’s because they think you’re wrong and want to point it out, but possibly because you’re right, and they’re getting antsy waiting for the inevitable collapse…why don’t you fellas get some fiber in your diets?…you’ll feel better in a few days…

    dc May 1, 2007, 4:35 pm
  • “Bill, Wang has a horizontally split fingernail on the middle finger of his pitching hand.”
    I had not heard that. And better him than me. And how the hell do you do that?

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • “why don’t you fellas get some fiber in your diets?…you’ll feel better in a few days…”
    dc, this is a really crappy thing to say.

    I'm Bill McNeal May 1, 2007, 6:47 pm

Leave a Comment