The Big Reveal: New Pix of the House of Jeter

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The Yanks have put some new images of the forthcoming Yankee Stadium over on their website (click through the “artists renderings” for a slide show). The interior circulations spaces have a train-station kind of feel, and the entire stadium seems to be up on a plinth–not the most endearing urban gesture. The facade is still uninspired and, as we’ve noted repeatedly, the cheap seat tier section is dramatically reduced in size and set back from the field.

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  • Expect ticket prices to drop as demand drops, because CNN is reporting that the Yankees empire is being dismantled by Steinbrenner.
    http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/01/news/companies/yes_sale.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 10:14 am
  • Sorry, I forgot to cue the “ding dong the witch is dead” music.

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 10:18 am
  • Wow, those renderings present a big, dull, vanilla place, at least outside the actual field itself, which seems familiar, if not daring. I agree with YF: the plinth is horribly unwelcoming, and consider the elderly and the disabled, having to either travel great distances to find a ramp or walk up grand stairs to get to the “public” space.
    All in all, this stadium fits nicely within the team’s “no facial hair policy”. It’s got no character at all, save the fewer lifelong fans who will come to the park. And knowing that the prices are going to skyrocket, most fans are likely to be half-drunk twenty-something Goldman Sachs types, interlopers wearing Yankees hats.

    SF August 2, 2007, 10:28 am
  • Adds a Yankee partner, “If I were handicapping it, I think we’re looking at a sale of the team within three or four years.”
    I can’t stop giggling!

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 10:31 am
  • To all the SF claiming Yanks tickets are going to skyrocket, leaving The Stadium empty-
    Let’s not forget that the Red Sox have had the most expensive tickets in Baseball for years. They not only have the most expensive average ticket price ($46, vs. the Yanks’ $28), but they also have the highest Fan Cost Index ($288 vs. the Yanks’ $209). The FCI is as estimate of how much it costs to take a family of 4 to a game, including food and whatnot.
    http://www.teammarketing.com/fci.cfm?page=fci_mlb2006.cfm
    Yanks tickets will go up, but even if they go higher than Sox tickets, it won’t be by much.

    kurticusmaximus- YF August 2, 2007, 10:37 am
  • I am not sure I understand why Atheose is so happy? Please elaborate.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 10:51 am
  • Who said anything about Fenway, which has its own issues?
    Goodwin’s Law, in full effect.

    SF August 2, 2007, 10:59 am
  • Wow – a shiny new deathstar, er, I mean toilet.

    mp August 2, 2007, 11:01 am
  • “And knowing that the prices are going to skyrocket, most fans are likely to be half-drunk twenty-something Goldman Sachs types, interlopers wearing Yankees hats.”
    kind of like the post-season crowd in recent years. Truly upsetting for this fan. I now go to more games at Shea Stadium because I find the place more welcoming to people in my economic situation. The Yanks seem to care less and less about their working-middle class fans each year.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 11:07 am
  • Seriously though, this things looks like it belongs in Pyongyang.

    mp August 2, 2007, 11:08 am
  • I’m no economist and I know nothing of business but it would hard to believe that Selig would let the Yanks franchise into the hands of an owner who wasn’t promosing to put money into the team. This isn’t going to be like when CBS owned the team. If the Yanks fall apart on and off the field it’s ultimately very bad for baseball’s bottomline. They are, for better or worse, the most recognized brand in the whole sport. People are acting as if this is all doom and gloom for the future but I find that idea highly unrealistic…Again, I have no idea what I’m talking about but that’s my impression.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 11:16 am
  • I, for one, hate the Red Sox ticket prices. As a guy who is getting married, just bought a new house, and has another million responsibilites, I end up going to Pawtucket more often than I do Fenway. I understand why they are the way they are, with the payroll and everything, but still, it’s depressing to only make five or six games a year.
    I can remember when I was a kid, and going with my friends, bleacher seats were something like six bucks. But, they sucked, so I guess it’s a tradeoff.
    If you want teams to spend the money, it’s going to work it’s way down the food chain sooner or later.
    I would love to see more games, but with demand, and crazy prices, I have to limit how much I go, and I hate that.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 11:19 am
  • And by “they sucked”, I mean the team, not the seats. The seats were, and are, great.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 11:20 am
  • bleacher seats at Fenway are great. Maybe they’ve improved since when you were young, Brad.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 11:20 am
  • clarified

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 11:20 am
  • Any idea what the viewpoint is? It can’t be the garage’s by the “Dugout” the housing projects are in the wrong corner.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 11:21 am
  • Also, if the Yankees fell apart, every other team in MLB willl lose a significant amount of money from visiting ticket sales, the luxury tax, and a million other things. MLB will ALWAYS make sure that the owners of the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Dodgers, and several other teams are no longer in the hands of stingy owners. It’s very, very bad for baseball. But, like Nick, I’m not a economist.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 11:22 am
  • For about 12 to 15 years, new Stadiums were build some character, starting with Camden Yards and the all the rest. Granted they became a bit derivative over time, but from Camden to PNC, most were pretty good efforts.
    But now with the comments by many YFs on the new stadium in the Bronx, and down here in the DC are with the Nationals new stadium, they seem to be building fairly austere, character-less stadiums…what gives?

    Vic SF August 2, 2007, 11:26 am
  • //I’m not sure I understand why Atheose is happy//
    I’m happy because selling YES is the beginning of the end for the Yankees empire. And the fact that Yankee board members are saying the team will be sold within 2-3 years puts a giant smile on my face.
    I agree with Nick with regards to the whole “Selig won’t let the Yankees go to an owner who doesn’t care about winning” remark, but I think in the end whoever owns the Yankees next will be far less free with his money. No one could ever be as “enthusiastic” as Steinbrenner has in the last few decades.

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 11:28 am
  • I agree with Atheose to an extent. George was a rogue owner who definitely was not always on board with Selig and his crew of conforming drones. And I assume payroll will lower and the Yanks will not be allowed to overbid…which might not be a bad thing if we think about how well-run the Sox are now. Fiscal prudence has the potential to lead to better player development and greater roster flexibility and fewer backloaded nightmare contracts.

    Nick-YF August 2, 2007, 11:32 am
  • From the Money article linked by Atheose
    > the untapped revenue sources (a Yankees hotel or restaurant chain?)
    Ugh. Let’s capture the timbre of Yankees Corporate on a menu. Tonight’s choices…

    - Chicken
    – Chicken with a Side of Chicken
    – Chicken Prepared Three Similar Ways
    – Mo Goo Gai Pan
    – Chicken Fried Chicken
    – Scooter’s Surprise
      (Tastes like chicken because it is in fact chicken)
    – Country Captain My Captain Chicken
    – Chicken ala King George
    – Igawings

    attackgerbil August 2, 2007, 11:33 am
  • That’s just wishful thinking Atheose. Steinbrenner loves this team, do you think he’s just going to offer it up to the highest bidder? Come on, he will find a suitable owner who will go the extra mile just as he has. The day was bound to come and when it finally does the Yankees will survive. Your hopes of this team turning into the KC Royals are just wishful thinking.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 11:34 am
  • You forgot the Jeter sauce!

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 11:34 am
  • I’m not saying they will turn into the Royals–in fact I believe they will stay one of the best teams in baseball. But there’s the difference between an above-average team, and a team with Steinbrenner throwing money at it.
    I’m sure they’ll get an owner who is willing to spend to win, I just think on a scale of 1 to 10 when it comes to spending, he will be a 7 or 8. As opposed to Steinbrenner’s 12.

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 11:37 am
  • I heard the “Igawings” are extremely pricey with very little meat on them. Word is they are very unsatisfying and leave you looking bewildered when they are gone.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 11:37 am
  • I am more concerned about who the GM will be by that point. George while being a very good owner and a very generous owner has been known to throw money at the wrong guys. So as long as we have good baseball people I wouldn’t care if Adam Sandler was the owner.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 11:40 am
  • Good point. Igawa definitely comes to mind.
    Though the Sox have J.D. “My hammy hurts” Drew, so I guess even good GM’s make mistakes.

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 11:46 am
  • Yeah, I heard the “Igawings” were a last minute, albeit fruitless, effort to prove to loyal patrons of the restraunt that other restraunts had not outdone them by adding wings to their own menus. But, in the end, the wings are a complete letdown, and most ask for them to be sent back to the kitchen for a full refund.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 11:48 am
  • Cashman’s a good GM.
    I’m just glad it still looks like a toilet. Sons of Sam Horn might be forced to shut down otherwise…

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 11:50 am
  • Bravo Brad, Bravo!
    You know what grinds my gears…the fact that reportedly two teams inquired about Igawa at the deadline. Why on earth or should I say what on earth does Cashman have planned for Igawa? The ONLY thing and I am being honest here, that I can think of is that with Joba moving to the pen at SWB, they needed a SP. Other then that I can just attribute turning down an offer for the most useless player since Carl Pavano plain old stupid!

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 11:54 am
  • the fact that reportedly two teams inquired about Igawa at the deadline
    One was the Rhein Fire of the World Football League, the other the Tampa Bay…
    Lightning.

    SF August 2, 2007, 11:55 am
  • I was also surprised that the Yanks told teams Igawa was not available. Igawa? So he’s part of the Yanks’ Big Four, I guess. Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Igawa. (Five if you count that other pitcher whose name I keep forgetting that teams asked about).

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 11:56 am
  • Its kinda of a double standard for SFs to say how horrible of an owner Steinbrenner is and then call for the demise of the yankees upon his departure. The bottom line is unless there is major incompetence the Yankees will continue to compete at the highest levels. The same can be said for the Red Sox. They were able to remain a force despite the yawkey trust’s problems. Also, the article talks about the other investors of YES selling not the yankees. The Yankees love owning YES, its great for their business and its not gonna change any time soon.

    sam YF August 2, 2007, 11:57 am
  • There may be something in Igawa’s contract that forbids certain things, Trisk. I don’t know either, but I’m assuming that if they could have moved him for anything, they would have. Or, they’re just seeing something that the rest of earth doesn’t. Who knows. Maybe this is one of those “I know I can fix him into something reliable” situations that pitching coaches (and staffs, for that matter) sometimes get into. Remember the Met’s pitching coach saying how fast he could fix the Zambrano (the bad one). He said all he needed was 15 minutes to straigthen out some delivery issues…ha.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 11:58 am
  • John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 11:58 am
  • Why bother trading Igawa for nothing (which is what I assume was offered)? We have $25 mil as a sunk cost into this guy and only need to pay him $4 mil a year. May as well see if he can figure out how to be effective in some roll over the next year. While I dont see much of a chance of this occuring, its worth a shot rather than just giving him away. We can certainly afford to carry his contract next year.

    sam YF August 2, 2007, 12:01 pm
  • Great so not only did the Yankees overpay for Igawa, they allowed a stipulation in his contract that wouldn’t allow him to be traded? Boy this keeps getting better and better!!! I really hope you are wrong Brad.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 12:01 pm
  • I don’t really like Camden Yards all that much, actually. It’s nice and all, but I really don’t see what the big deal is. So it’s covered in bricks, that doesn’t impress me much.
    As for Atheose’s hopes of a new owner, a thriftier owner would fit in with Cashman’s new philosophy, anyway. I’d prefer a team that didn’t throw money at problems, but used it’s enormous resources wisely.
    I don’t want the Yankees to become frugal, because there’s no reason for them to be. But a slightly thriftier owner combined with Cashman’s new, futures-and-prospects focused philosophy would help cure a lot of the Yankees’ problems.

    kurticusmaximus- YF August 2, 2007, 12:02 pm
  • Besides, after just over a half of a season in America, the AL East, and other huge considerations that must be taken, it’s a bit soon to write him off as a complete letdown. Maybe his adjustment isn’t what it should be, or maybe he’s just having personal issues with being here, but I’d be willing to bet that he’s definitely more akin to the guy that shut down the Red Sox for seven innings than the guy who is getting pummeled everywhere else. He is probably somewhere in the middle of that, and when you look at his contract (not the posting fee) that’s a pretty good deal if it works out for him.
    I say the same about Matsuzaka. I think he will be much better next year, as fun as that is to think about.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 12:02 pm
  • Paul, Horne. That’s odd about Igawa though, and I would think a trade to an NL team might be nice, even if I want to give him a few more opportunities somehow. (Maybe not this year since every game is precious..)
    Oh ya, with the 1pm game starts, just a friendly reminder to get the gamers up there. =) There are few things I love more than afternoon games on a weekday!

    Lar August 2, 2007, 12:03 pm
  • Sam do you remember when we “Just Gave Away” Jaret Wright, we got Chris Britton who is dominating AAA. I am not saying take an offer that doesn’t suit you, but if you read the links they told the teams he is not available, that means they never ever got to the negotiations point.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 12:03 pm
  • Oh ya, also, if you trade Igawa, then you can’t even rationally amortize the 26 mil or 24 mil or whatever it was. Since you can’t “trade” that much money back.
    It’s a sunk cost, and it’s probably not a great logic, but who knows..

    Anonymous August 2, 2007, 12:05 pm
  • Anon was me. Odd.
    It’s probably also what makes him a great deal though, he’s on the contract not for all that much.

    Lar August 2, 2007, 12:07 pm
  • Philly’s ballpark is really nice, in my opinion. We make a trip to Philly every spring training (and when the Sox are there during inter-league) to see them play.
    There is a great Holiday in within walking distance, and the price is great. The park is nice, and there’s not a bad seat in it. Even the uppers offer a spectacular view of everything. It’s not as cozy as most parks, but it’s not a monstrosity either. It’s new, and it’s easy to get in and out of, and it offers a lot for not that much, which is what a new park should.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 12:10 pm
  • Holiday Inn…jeez

    Brad August 2, 2007, 12:10 pm
  • Fair enough Trisk, but I can understand the yanks not wanting to give up too quickly on a horrible investment when the carrying cost is so low. That said Id love to see him out of our organization. He just looks like a chump who is about to get pummled when he is on the mound.

    sam YF August 2, 2007, 12:11 pm
  • He just looks like a chump who is about to get pummled when he is on the mound.
    So do a TON of young, inexperienced pitchers. Give them time. Granted, I know that time is a luxury forgone in Yankee and Red Sox land, but just eating that kind of money is silly when it’s already gone, and the guy doesn’t really make that much.
    At this point, he is an unknown, and letting him go could come back to hurt the Yankees in one way or another.
    I felt the same way about Renteria. I thought that the Red Sox gave up waaaayy to early on him. Another year in Boston may or may not have straigtened him out, but who’s to say now? Oh, that’s right: Atlanta.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 12:15 pm
  • me no type so well this afternoon.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 12:17 pm
  • Brad, you are the voice of reason today. Problem is I don’t know that Igawa will do anything to even out that 24 million or earn that posting fee. I do know that he has done plenty to make that 24 million feel like a gazillion!
    As for E-Rent, he was an established player. He was just a bad fit in Boston, there was always a skill set there.

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 12:20 pm
  • Trisk, are you implying that I’m not the voice of reason all the time..lol.

    Brad August 2, 2007, 12:22 pm
  • They were able to remain a force despite the yawkey trust’s problems.
    I beg to differ. The Red Sox lucked into a division title in 1995 (if the East had ANY remotely decent teams that season, the Sox would have been in second. At least.) — the only thing keeping the Yawkey trust from presiding over a decidedly mediocre team between 1991 and 1997. Granted, the trust did preside over playoff teams pretty regularly from there on and sprang the millions for Pedro, but that was also because John Harrington felt the burning need to win a championship before he sold the team and, after years of crying “small market!”, managed to find a few more Yawkey millions stashed away somewhere.

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 12:23 pm
  • You know what I meant wiseguy! I have to say you Sox fans are a lot more fun when your team is in 1st place! Maybe it’s better for world peace if the Yankees win the WC and let the Sox win the division!

    John - YF (Trisk) August 2, 2007, 12:27 pm
  • We’re always a lot of fun, Trisk. It’s the Yank fans who are finally more fun now that they’ve given up hope ;-)

    Paul SF August 2, 2007, 12:28 pm
  • Hey, with a Wildcard winning 3 out of the last 4 World Series’ I can’t blame you. Part of me wants the Sox to fall back and let the Yanks win the division again ;-)
    And Sam – YF: I never said Steinbrenner was a bad owner, I just said he was an owner that would do anything–and SPEND anything–to make his team win. My main point was that no one after him will ever be as dedicated to winning as he was.

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 12:37 pm
  • Looking a bit more closely at those renderings, it seems the monuments will be under an awning just below the batter’s eye, flanked by the bullpens. And then there’s another subtle fuck you to the plebes: where the elevated bleacher sections are not separated from the field by the pens, there are behind box seat sections. Now the creatures can toss crap on those suckers paying out the big bucks for the seats right below them as they chant “box seats suck.” Compare this to the more kindly design of most new outfield parks, where there are open family areas in the outfield. (Check SF’s pictures of the Jake from yesterday, or the Gerbs pictures of Safeco in the ballparks category threads).

    YF August 2, 2007, 12:50 pm
  • I love the outfield for The Ballpark In Arlington (where the Rangers play) and how they have a big grassy area where families can picnic. That entire stadium is amazing, it’s a shame the Rangers always suck.

    Atheose August 2, 2007, 1:05 pm

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