The Dilemma

As a Sox fan, we're almost interested in having Manny sign with our rivals, just to see the pretzel logic of justification and rationalization from Yankee fans.  All of a sudden "playing the game right" won't matter so much, we don't think.

We hope it doesn't happen: we have too much respect for our YF peers at this point to want to see them go through this!
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  • I am campy and cheap. There is a quote from “Family Guy” where Lois is talking about Stone Phillips that describes the Manny dilemma perfectly. So funny. Look to the last quote in the references section. Yes, I am quite low-brow.

    attackgerbil December 14, 2008, 6:12 pm
  • You were quick to jump on Paul for needless antagonism in a previous post, so why is it okay here? It already takes some enormous “rationalization” to root for a corporation dedicated to exploiting every last buck of its patrons (true for Sox fans only marginally less than Yanks fans) and employing any number of less than savory individuals. SFs enjoy the rings they got on the backs of Schilling and Manny–no pretzel logic required.
    I don’t think I’ve written too many (any?) negative comments about Manny on this site. He’s a whale. A generational talent. A local product. It would be fun to watch that on a daily basis, at least. And the prospect of his bat in a Yankee lineup, with the newly revamped pitching staff….Wow.

    YF December 14, 2008, 7:27 pm
  • Note: Maybe I’m misreading SF’s post, and if so, apologies. Obviously, Manny comes with baggage, and the idea of him playing under Field Marshall Girardi raises all kinds of questions. Still. Damon. Jeter. Alex. Manny. Jorge. That’s crazy. Plus CC and AJ and Joba and Wang and Hughes. And Mo.
    As Alex Belth wrote over on the Banter, Cashman has moved all his chips into the middle of the table.

    YF December 14, 2008, 7:36 pm
  • YF – I put a humor tag on it intentionally so that it wouldn’t be read the way you have read it.

    SF December 14, 2008, 7:40 pm
  • From a purely emotional and personal standpoint, I would love it if Manny were to play on the Yanks. I’m from Washington Heights after all. I knew about Manny before a lot of people because the legend of Manny was pretty strong in my neighborhood even before those Times articles. It’s been a little painful to have to see quite a few Sox hats when I’ve visited my old neighborhood in recent years. Now, I think part of that has happened because the Sox have become winners and have done a very good job as a brand. But I can’t help but think Manny’s move to the Yanks would lower the Sox hat total just a bit.
    That said, I do wonder about the wisdom of signing a player who has had knees issues the last two years and who should be a full-time DH when our team has Hideki, Damon and others who will use that slot a lot.

    Nick-YF December 14, 2008, 7:42 pm
  • Isn’t Josh Beckett and Curt Schilling the biggest proponents of “playing the game the right way”?
    And wasn’t it Sox fans who cried bloody murder any time Joba threw a ball anywhere near Youkilis, at one time all but claiming he should be banned from the sport? And this from fans who recently had no problem whatsoever with Pedro Martinez, who was one of the most infamous headhunters in the game.
    I, for one, was simply responding to the abject hypocrisy. In a vacuum, I have no problem with fans being okay with Manny admiring homeruns, or Papelbon or Beckett acting like douchenozzles on the mound on a daily basis. I may not *like* it, but they certainly have every right. I have a problem with otherwise rational and intelligent fans’ hilarious double standards, but I guess I should probably start getting over that one as well.
    Yes to Manny, but only as a DH, and only if Matsui is traded. I don’t think I’ll be able to handle Manny or Matsui in RF on a daily basis, no matter their offensive production.

    AndrewYF December 14, 2008, 7:50 pm
  • By the way, Manny signing with the Yanks might be the thing that single-handedly saves the newspaper industry in New York City. I wonder if the papers are giving money to the Yanks for this to happen.

    Nick-YF December 14, 2008, 7:54 pm
  • who has had knees issues the last two years
    What knee issues!? You mean the issues in his head that told him to say he had knee issues?

    SF December 14, 2008, 8:45 pm
  • I am on record as saying winning is important but not at all costs. I like to have a likeable team to root for, as I’ve said a billion times. Finally we’ve gotten rid of Farmsworth, Giambi, etc…don’t go backwards. I will never deny his level of talent, he’s sick…but on his terms! I will not boo him, I don’t boo Yankees, but I would not cheer for him. He’s a slap in the face to the way baseball should be played and I for one can’t stomach him. Think I’m lying? I never once rooted or cheered for Strawberry, Gooden or Kevin Brown. I’m a fan, that’s my right. You have my word, I would never defend Manny. If that day comes I’ll leave this site.

    John - YF December 14, 2008, 9:54 pm
  • Two things if Manny signs with the Yanks:
    1. It would kill me to see him successful in pinstripes.
    2. I cannot stand the though of him being rewarded for quitting on the Red Sox and whining his way out of town.
    It’s bad enough that I adored him and defended him and now cannot stand the sight of him. But I was one of them there hypocrites so I guess I deserve what I get.
    And he’d be a fool to sign there, anyway. If he really wants to be left alone, LA is his place.

    I'mBillMcNeal December 15, 2008, 12:28 am
  • They deserve each other.

    Brad December 15, 2008, 8:07 am
  • Id say just as interesting would be the quick turn in feelings for many of Manny’s SF defenders over the years. All of a sudden “playing the game right” would be paramount to winning etc.this one cuts both ways…

    Sam-YF December 15, 2008, 9:01 am
  • Not me.
    I fell off that wagon a couple years ago.
    I agree with most everything the most nasty YF has said over the past two years.
    So yeah, take him.

    Brad December 15, 2008, 9:21 am
  • Im not a fan myself Brad. If the Yankees sign him, Ill root for him to succeed but like Gary Sheffield, Ill never really like him.

    Sam-YF December 15, 2008, 9:36 am
  • Im not a fan myself Brad. If the Yankees sign him, Ill root for him to succeed but like Gary Sheffield, Ill never really like him.

    Sam-YF December 15, 2008, 9:41 am
  • My thoughts on Manny by now are well known. I don’t know that him signing with the Yankees would change that. I’d still cheer him his first game back in Fenway and I’d never boo him, but signing with the Yankees is nothing compared to engineering your way out of town in the middle of a pennant race.

    Paul SF December 15, 2008, 9:51 am
  • As a SF, it’s pretty easy for me to dislike any Yankee player, but guys like Sheffield were just too easy.
    So I was pretty surprised to end up going out bolwing one night recently with some friends and one guy who had had a few cups of coffee with the Tigers told me that he was one of the most friendly and pleasant guys on the team. Go figure.
    As for Manny. I’m with Paul on this one, he could sign anywhere and I will still never boo him, he simply gave me too much joy for too long.

    LocklandSF December 15, 2008, 1:51 pm
  • This SF doesn’t want to see Manny in pinstripes because (a) he still can rake, and (b) he will rake even more if/when he faces Boston.
    But yes, it would be fun to observe the cognitive dissonance that YFs would experience as they try to reconcile past Manny-hating with previously-despised behavior, which is sure to continue wherever he may land…

    Hudson December 15, 2008, 7:45 pm
  • Hudson, that was my exact view of the A-Rod to the Sox rumors that were a part of the 2007 pre opt-out season. Secretly, I didn’t want A-Rod anywhere near Boston.That would have been brutal.

    Nick-YF December 15, 2008, 7:50 pm
  • i’m not sure that adding the humor tag should always let one off the hook sf…clearly you were taking a swipe at yankee fans you perceive as being hypocritical…ironic really, that criticism coming from a sox fan…we don’t need to review all the examples, but this forum tends to be rich fodder for that behavior…i’m not so sure that this is so much of a “dilemma”, as you’ve characterized it, either…i think most yf’s on this site have made their feelings pretty clear about how they feel about manny, and other less admirable characters we suddenly found on our team…my own take on it is that i have mixed feelings about the yanks acquiring manny…i don’t like him much, never did, uniform notwithstanding, but when he is motivated [a big factor] he is one of the best, most clutch, hitters i’ve ever seen, and i’ve see a lot of baseball…i don’t want the drama, of the baggage kind, that comes with him, but i wouldn’t mind the drama of seeing him put an aaron boone-type moment on the red sox at fenway [though i guess it wouldn’t be a walk-off in that case]…i’ve had to pull for undesirable characters in the past for the good of the team, just as you have…for us [yfs] to be hypocritical, we will have to defend or rationalize manny’s flaws, much as your side did over the years he played for boston…i can’t speak for all yankee fans, but you won’t hear that from me, even as i hope he has a career year, but only if it’s in pinstripes, otherwise i couldn’t care less about him…

    dc December 16, 2008, 9:43 am

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