Today’s must read: Jay Jaffe’s terrific BP piece on Manny’s rip-roaring stint in Los Angeles. Don’t miss it.
I wonder when Jaffe will write a piece on Bay. After all, he is a better batter at 30 than Manny is in his declining years. No, you say? well, look at the numbers!
Come home Manny…it’s time! (I know, never going to happen)
bay better than manny…what numbers tell you that, dw?
all jaffe is saying is that manny is doing pretty good for the dodgers…check those numbers…
Nobody goes on hot streaks like Manny — especially against weak National League pitching. Jason Bay is providing roughly euivalent production now as Manny was before the trade. Add in the defense and baserunning, and Bay is easily the better player. The only concern was whether Bay would adjust well to being in Boston, and I think he’s answered those questions well enough…
how does jaffe forget to mention that manny leads the league in members of the AARP assaulted? tommy and vin, watch your backs manny’s on a tear.
If you want to believe Manny gets an assist from hitting in a “weak” NL West then it cuts both ways. Bay had to get an assist from hitting in the much weaker NL Central. Except he didn’t. Bay’s almost the exact same hitter he was in Pittsburgh. If anything, he’s gotten a tad worse, which you could expect if the pitching in the AL East is merely better. But he also moved to an extreme hitter’s park. It’s a wash. Nady’s shown a very similar “drop”.
By contrast, Manny moved to division filled with pitcher’s parks and excellent starting pitching (Webb, Haren, Young). And he’s absolutely crushing the ball far more than such a move would engender – almost 70% more offense (whereas Bay’s offense has decreased by 5% in the “tougher” move). My guess is Manny’s finally happy.
I would be shocked if the Sox sign Bay to an extension. A 127 OPS+ from a corner OF is nothing special, esp. in the AL.
I’m not a BP subscriber — is there any other way to get the full article?
Amen, John. Amen.
We will now (forever) witness the Sox searching far and wide for a cleanup hitter of Manny’s calibre while the ‘nice’ Bay plays a more competent outfield and runs out infield grounders.
Obviously the warm California weather has done wonders to Manny’s knees and hammies …
A 127 OPS+ from a corner OF is nothing special, esp. in the AL.
Overall, AL left fielders have an OPS+ of 105 relative to overall offense in the league. So 127 is actually pretty impressive; it would rank second in the league to the White Sox if the Red Sox had his production from left field all season long. Not that they wouldn’t be similarly situated with Manny in there (the overall numbers for the Sox are hurt by having Ellsbury sucking up at bats while playing left during the Ortiz injury), but Bay is clearly just as good right now in their careers with the bat, and he’s much better than Manny in other facets of the game. The fact that Manny is insanely hot right now doesn’t really mean much, except that both the Dodgers and the Red Sox are likely happy with their trade.
the excuses and apologies for manny’s foibles and faux pas became irrelevant with the trade…manny, you are the weakest link, until the next one comes along….
Paul, you really need to put down the statbooks and watch a game or two. You sound like a crazy person.
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