The Net Never Sleeps

First posted on this site by sf rod last night at 2am PBT (Pacific Bar Time), Eric Gagne has reached preliminary agreement with the Milwaukee Brewers on a one-year deal. One might wonder if the Beermakers were out on the town at the time and what they were drinking when they signed the deal, which is reportedly worth 10 million dollars, not including incentives.

78 comments… add one
  • don’t know which is worse, signing gagne for $10 mil or signing latroy hawkins for $3.75 mil…
    you gotta be kidding me, cashmania.

    nyara December 9, 2007, 4:50 pm
  • LaTroy Hawkins for 1 season at 3.75 Million is much better then Vizcaino at the same amount for 3-4 seasons. No thank you. Not a bad move considering what’s out there.

    John - YF December 9, 2007, 5:17 pm
  • maybe, maybe not. hawkins has been one of those guys that i’m always surprised to see teams still putting into pressure situations. seems like every time i see him on the mound he’s blowing a lead or giving up a bomb (or both, simultaneously).

    nyara December 9, 2007, 6:05 pm
  • John, I think I agree with you, though I felt last year that Vizcaino did not get the credit or attention he deserved for his exceptional play for 3 months (end May to end August) that was a big part of the Yankee run. Though he had a bad first 6-7 weeks (who didn’t for NY), from May 28 – August 29 he appeared in 44 games to a 1.27 ERA with BAA of .179.
    And his coming back to earth in September seemed to me a combination of the typical Torre overuse (2nd most IP of his career, but more importantly – lots of up and down warm ups and back to back uses) exacerbated hugely by the fact that he was the only reliable bullpen guy for the first several weeks of that stretch and that, when they got another reliable arm – Joba – Vizcaino was forced to take much of the slack that the Joba rules created.
    In other words, I think he was better than he got credit for. But yeah – a 4 year deal for that amount of money I would not do. 3 years, I probably would frankly. He’d be pitching through his 36th birthday which I’d be fine with.

    IronHorse (yf) December 9, 2007, 6:17 pm
  • I will not sit here and predict success for Hawkins. I have no clue how he will handle NY or his return to the AL, but that 1 year deal makes it very attractive for exactly those reasons. I don’t Viz was bad by any means, but I don’t want him for 3 years and definitely not 4. I really like the idea of signing RP’s to 1 year deals, they are too difficult to predict. (I am not referring to closers)

    John - YF December 9, 2007, 6:47 pm
  • Hawkins doesn’t strike out much, but apparently his G/F ratio was a lot higher last year, which is how he was successful even in Coors. Of course, that could mean bad things for the Yankees who have one of the worst defensive positional players at shortstop.

    AndrewYF December 9, 2007, 6:57 pm
  • *hugs AndrewYF* Im so glad there’s a Yankee fan who admits it

    Dionysus December 9, 2007, 7:10 pm
  • More frightening for Yankee fans is the buzz that they are closing in on signing Letroy I-Throw-Very-Fast-And-Might-Remind-Everyone-of-Kyle-Farnsworth Hawkins to some kind of 3.75 million dollar deal.
    I have hope that it will work out…but not alot of hope.

    Anonymous December 9, 2007, 7:59 pm
  • Derek Jeter 2003 14 Errors
    Julio Lugo 2003 20 Errors
    Derek Jeter 2005 15 Errors
    Julio Lugo 2005 24 Errors
    Derek Jeter 2006 19 Errors
    Julio Lugo 2006 15 Errors
    Derek Jeter 2007 18 Errors
    Julio Lugo 2007 19 Errors
    Derek Jeter 2005 15 Errors
    Edgar Renteria 2005 30 Errors
    Orlando Cabrera 2004 15 Errors
    Derek Jeter 2004 13 Errors
    Listen I won’t argue that DJ is a great defensive SS, but he is far better then anyone (fans) gives him credit for. He doesn’t have great range, he doesn’t have the quickest feet or softest hands, but he gets the job done. He is no Alex Gonzalez, but he also does a lot of things Alex Gonzalez doesn’t. He is a complete SS and you don’t find too many complete SS’s. And yes I know E’s are not the end all, be all, but it’s still a pretty good measuring stick.

    John - YF December 9, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • One year is making me feel a little better about it John.

    walein December 9, 2007, 8:02 pm
  • Yeah it’s one year + a pick for Viz. Things will be ok. Let’s think positive!

    John - YF December 9, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • I don’t want this to become a theme with Cashman however: Lots O money for hard-throwing guy who isn’t very good.

    Anonymous December 9, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • John – I still think Jeter is more valuable to the Yankees at SS than at first or in the outfield. But he has zero range. His defense at shortstop is at a Manny Ramirez level of awfulness. He wasn’t always the worst defensive shortstop in baseball, but he’s always been significantly below-average. He gets a bit of a pass because people always remember the stupendous plays (the ‘flip’ being one of the most amazing, unprecedented, game-changing defensive plays ever), and he’s very good at charging balls and going back on pop-ups. However. His range is absolutely, incredibly bad. You can see it whenever any other shortstop takes the field. Weak groundballs up the middle are usually caught. Jeter doesn’t even try for them. It is incredibly frustrating, and last season was his worst defensive season in a long time. It could be his knees. Hopefully they are better this year, and that Girardi is more apt to rest him (and won’t hold his effing bat all the time).
    Jeter is still one of the best #2 hitters in baseball, and he provides tremendous value to the Yankees. But he, like every player in the game save Albert Pujols, is very clearly not without fault.

    AndrewYF December 9, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • I am not blind to his faults, but range is not everything.

    John - YF December 9, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • The Brewers briefly took over Hank Steinbrenner’s #1 slot of Jackass of the Week, but were swiftly replaced by the Steelers’ Anthony Smith c. 7 pm tonight — bumping Mr. Hankee all the way down to #3.

    Hudson December 9, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • OK Hudson, ill bite.
    Why pray-tell is Hank jackass of the week?

    sam-YF December 9, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • “His defense at shortstop is at a Manny Ramirez level of awfulness…”
    According to wha??? He’s still the best vertical ranging shortstop in the game and has a gun for an arm. His only serious problem as a shortstop is his range over the middle.
    I don’t think he’s necessarily an elite fielding shortstop but trying to compare him with Manny Ramirez is insane.

    Anonymous December 10, 2007, 12:13 am
  • Can’t get type-pad to get my name in there.

    walein December 10, 2007, 12:24 am
  • because he just is sam, that’s why…they don’t need a reason…gee-golly, haven’t you been paying attention for the past week or so when they’ve presented us with all the evidence?…whenever he opens his mouth, all that comes out is: “hee haw”…”hee haw”…he is apparently a knowledgable jackass however, with vast baseball experience, but definitely not smart…in that sense, he’s probably not a very good jackass, because according to wikipedia, the donkey is generally considered to be: hard working, and having a “sociable disposition”…”Although formal studies of their behaviour and cognition are rather limited, donkeys appear to be quite intelligent, cautious, friendly, playful, and eager to learn”….sounds more like the way we’ve heard the sox mgmt described around here, but i could be wrong… ;)

    dc December 10, 2007, 12:29 am
  • Jeter’s range issues are pronounced to his left but frankly not bad to his right. And walein is spot-on re: vertical range, charging balls, and his arm. I think he is not a top-third defensive shortstop, but comparisons to Manny are orders-of-magnitude off.
    And the anti-Hank venom from Sox fans is really becoming laughable. You’d think he was the guy coining terms like Evil Empire and throwing chairs.

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 12:42 am
  • …and wearing the monkey suit…

    dc December 10, 2007, 1:08 am
  • Even as a Sox Fan this made my head spin:
    “His defense at shortstop is at a Manny Ramirez level of awfulness…”
    While I agree that Jeter is not the top defensive shortstop, my backside puckers whenever he is hitting or has a ball hit to him/near him in a tight game. The guy is definately a lot better than most teams options. Besides the fact that most team owners would sell thier daughters favorite stuffed animal to get him.

    Anonymous December 10, 2007, 7:11 am
  • how did one anti-Hank comment become from “Sox fanS”? How many people jumped on Hudson’s train here?
    This is how flame wars start.

    SF December 10, 2007, 8:19 am
  • I know there are lots of fielding metrics and ways to rate players defensively that may finish with dramatically different results, but one particular system shows that Derek Jeter was a poor defensive shortstop the first 8 seasons of his carreer, then suddenly improved in 2004 and 2005.
    Clay Davenport of Baseball Prospectus created a metric called Fielding Runs that aims to adjust a fielder’s total chances to adjust for park affect, total balls in play, pitcher handedness, etc. to acheive a more accurate result when it comes to rating defensive play. According to FR Derek Jeter was well below average his first 8 seasons, usually ranking in the lowest 5th of all defensive shortstops. Then all of a sudden in 2004 he leapt considerably to almost exactly league average, ranked #13 in the majors. Then in 2005 he improved even further to above average and ranked #9 overall.
    So, at least according to this one ranking system, Jeter’s rep as a bad defender was certainly earned, but he has now established himself as an asset in the field instead of a liability–and, as much as I hate to admit it, an all around good player. Obviously no stat is perfect, but this is certainly food for thought.

    kestrel sf December 10, 2007, 8:32 am
  • Jeter isn’t as bad as Manny, but he’s certainly not good either. He covers it up with show, though. Every coach in baseball will tell you that his little scoop-jump-twist-throw maneuver that he does on grounders to his right side is HORRIBLE baseball mechanics. Stop, plant your feet, and fire to first. The ball will get there on a straight line, instead of needing to be dug out of the dirt by the 1st baseman.
    Having said that, he works extremely hard on every play and makes up for it immensely with his bat. And like AndrewYF mentioned, the flip-double-play has revolutionized middle-infield defense.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 8:35 am
  • By the way, Kosuke Fukudome is officially coming to America. Can we start calling him Fucks-K?

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 8:38 am
  • Range isn’t everything, but how many balls you get to affects how many errors you’re charged with. Producing a list showing Jeter with fewer errors than his Red Sox counterparts is not helpful at all. Alex Gonzalez and Julio Lugo (the only two whose rankings in the range-related stats I remember off hand) get to far more balls — and make far more outs than expected — than Jeter, and of course get charged with more errors when those plays don’t turn out well.
    In 2007, by PMR, which measures range, Lugo was actually very good, ahead of Adam Everett and O-Cab (of course, Lugo’s arm has always been his weak spot). Renteria was a nudge below average, while Jeter was the second-worst shortstop in the game (again, only in terms of range).

    Paul SF December 10, 2007, 8:39 am
  • Defensive stats always come under fire. Any one of them is incomplete. It’s what explains why some measurements showed Alex Gonzalez to be average or below average in many ways last year while Curt Schilling called him the greatest defensive SS he’d ever seen. And why John says that Jeter isn’t so bad but so many measures of his defensive game show him to be poor, not even average.
    Scouts vs. Stats, it is the dilemma of this rotisserie age.

    SF December 10, 2007, 8:42 am
  • “how did one anti-Hank comment become from “Sox fanS”? How many people jumped on Hudson’s train here? This is how flame wars start.”
    SF, fair enough – I should have said “SOME Sox fans” because while – as you note – only Hudson goes there in this thread, you know full well that others (most frequently and ardently, Brad) have been going there in multiple other threads.

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 8:50 am
  • “This is how flame wars start.”
    Flame wars also start around here when people take unsubstantiated digs at members of the opposing organization. Would the response have been much different if I called manny or theo this weeks biggest ass?

    sam-YF December 10, 2007, 8:51 am
  • All I know is that except for maybe Troy Tulowitzki, I take Jeter, defense and all, over any other shortstop in the AL. The NL has some damn good ones, though.

    AndrewYF December 10, 2007, 8:52 am
  • Woops. Tulo is in the NL.

    AndrewYF December 10, 2007, 8:53 am
  • No, Sam. I think Hudson’s comment was needless. But for the next step to be a broad generalization about Sox fans is, intentional or not, an escalation. I am just trying to nip this in the bud, not point any fingers. It started with a needless insult not pertaining to the subject of this post, and if it is just left sitting there in isolation it would probably end there.
    (and as one who has taken open and aggressive digs at Hank I feel like I am qualified to critique — when I insult Hank it’s typically in the course of a conversation about Hank or I take the time to put up a post about him specifically!)

    SF December 10, 2007, 8:58 am
  • It’s hard for me so say this because my general hatred for the Toronto Blue Jays has been growing steadily in the past couple years, but defensively I’ve been hugely impressed with John McDonald the more I see of him. His bat is not much to speak of but he appears to me (warning, no stats referenced here) to be the best DEFENSIVE shortstop in the AL East and one of the best in the league.

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 9:01 am
  • SF – it’s OK now. I thnk we are all agreed that Hank is doing a better job than (most) SF’s will admit…………………….awaiting escalation……………

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 9:03 am
  • my general hatred for the Toronto Blue Jays has been growing steadily in the past couple years
    Where have you been, IH? I have hated them since the days of Garth Iorg.

    SF December 10, 2007, 9:04 am
  • I agree IH. I have no stats either,b ut McDonald made 2-3 webgems PER GAME every time they played the Sox. During one of the series with the Jays this year, the Jays announcers spent a good 2-3 innings talking about how McDonald deserved a gold glove.
    They even made a dig at Jeter, saying something along the lines of “If HE can win a Gold Glove, surely McDonald should.” Of course, the .240 career batting average diminishes his value. He would be great on an NL team.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 9:06 am
  • Where have you been, IH? I have hated them since the days of Garth Iorg.
    The only good thing about the Blue Jays is their stadium and their beer girls. Mmm.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 9:08 am
  • McDonald in nine seasons (age 32): .251/.279/.333, 58 OPS+. I don’t care how flashy your glove is, you’re not helping the team with a bat like that.
    For reference, Alex Gonzalez’ low OPS+ in the past five years (75, with the Sox in 2006) matches McDonald’s career high.

    Paul SF December 10, 2007, 9:41 am
  • Thanks for the numbers, Paul. Like I said, he’d be great on an NL team.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 9:44 am
  • sf, you’re getting way too defensive in your rebuttal to the hank/hudson response…i made a joke about it, and a damn good one [according to wikipedia, jackasses ain’t so bad]…all ironhorse said was that “…anti-Hank venom from Sox fans is really becoming laughable…”…to be fair, he maybe should have included some “yf’s” in there…it’s hardly a generalization because outside of this thread, the crude and not so crude criticisms of hank have been frequent by a number of posters [not exclusive to hudson]…you yourself just admitted: “…(and as one who has taken open and aggressive digs at Hank I feel like I am qualified to critique — when I insult Hank it’s typically in the course of a conversation about Hank or I take the time to put up a post about him specifically!)…”…i mean, is it really necessary to criticize the guy at every opportunity, especially if [and i’m not saying you do this], the facts are tortured like they were in the arod and santana matters?…if someone comes up with a legit criticism, like he fired a $20,000 a year mail clerk, with a wife and 3 small children, on Christmas Eve for no good reason, then maybe i’ll listen to criticisms of him with a more open mind…

    dc December 10, 2007, 9:44 am
  • By the way, the word verification thing to prove you’re not a bot is getting annoying. Can you just change it to one in the link below, to make it easier?
    http://xkcd.com/233/
    And for the record, you guys are DEFINITELY in your 70’s if you have never seen Land Before Time.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 9:50 am
  • Goddamnit, the filter won’t let me write a post about Hank eating babies because it thinks it’s spam. Ba-humbug.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 9:57 am
  • And for the record, Hank upset/offended the Twins front office when he spoke about Johan Santana. I don’t necessarilly agree with Hudson’s choice of words (and I disagree with him saying it because, frankly, he probably did it to jab at Yankee fans), but I can see where Steinbrenner could be called a Jackass.
    However, Jackass of the week is incorrect, because these events happened over a week ago.
    Having said all that, Hudson quit the flamethrowing. And DC, there’s no need to write a 15-line post griping about one single word. I know you think YF’s have been unfairly singled out lately but just ignore the flamebait comments.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 10:05 am
  • speaking of flame-wars. i realize that andrew lit the match, and john threw on the first log, but are we really going to have the whole jeter debate, again?…we know there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that he stinks, and plenty of evidence to suggest that he doesn’t stink [with or without driven], but most yf’s and probably his teammates [and maybe torre when he was still around] think he’s a pretty good player to have on the team…he generally seems to excel in the post season in particular, and i’ve even heard him referred to as “clutch” on occasion [please no cherry-picking stats, like the .176 BA he had this year against cleveland, and i won’t cherry-pick the .500 BA he had against both detroit last year and anahiem in ’02]…i just wonder how many sox fans wouldn’t swap him for julio lugo if given the chance, with the same number of yank fans screaming bloody murder over it…

    dc December 10, 2007, 10:12 am
  • I would LOVE to have Jeter as my shortstop. We’re just talking specifically. No one above said he was a horrible player overall. The talks were specifically defensive.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 10:17 am
  • I would LOVE to have Jeter as my shortstop. We’re just talking defense specifically. No one above said he was a horrible player overall. The talks were specifically defensive.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 10:18 am
  • Geez, sorry for the double post.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 10:18 am
  • “Where have you been, IH? I have hated them since the days of Garth Iorg.”
    I am slowly catching on…or my hatred is much more slow-developing…I was helped along by the Toronto-Yankee brawls lately, the abdsurd throw-behind A-Rod months (and multiple games) after the “HA” incident, etc.
    Before these developments, I really didn’t have much reason to hate them. They were just, sort of, there. Like a pebble in my shoe. But not a particularly large or pointy one.

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 10:29 am
  • “sorry for the double post.”
    It’s OK Atheose – perhaps it is just an indication of how much you and, by extension, I am sure ALLLLLL SFs (tweaks SF purposefully with the SF-generalization…) just love Jeter. :o)

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 10:33 am
  • You’re right IH. I’ve been holding it in for so long, supressing these urges… I want to have Derek Jeter’s babies.
    There. I said it. Those eyes, that charm, the way he would rather fly through the air like a dragonfly than stop and plant his feet to make a normal throw… it gets me hot in all the right places.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 10:40 am
  • “…And DC, there’s no need to write a 15-line post griping about one single word….”
    sorry about the 15-liners atheose, but i tend to be a bit wordy i guess…in my first comment i needed the extra lines to give jackasses some well deserved respect, and the 2nd comment was a response to sf [5 of those lines were quoting his comment], all of which was necessary to get the point across…for the record, your response was 13 lines ;)
    “…And for the record, Hank upset/offended the Twins front office when he spoke about Johan Santana….”
    actually, i think i saw the word “tampering” used, so the twins were allegedly a little more than insulted…it’ll be interesting to see if this tampering rumor has any more steam than the one about the sox and drew…

    dc December 10, 2007, 10:40 am
  • John Gibbons is a large reason for my hatred of the Blue Jays. What an awful, awful manager.

    AndrewYF December 10, 2007, 10:41 am
  • “Every coach in baseball will tell you that his little scoop-jump-twist-throw maneuver that he does on grounders to his right side is HORRIBLE baseball mechanics.”
    It’s only “HORRIBLE baseball mechanics” if he can’t pull it off. The reason coaches preach set and throw is because most players can’t pull that play off. Set/throw takes more time and if you have the arm and the athletic ability to pull off the jump throw, this coach has zero problem with it. It’s obviously something Jeter has been doing for a long time now and it’s something he is more comfortable with then set/throw.

    John - YF December 10, 2007, 10:42 am
  • by the way atheose, your comment at 10:40 made me spit my coffee all over the monitor…thanks for the laugh…3 lines, i’m getting better…

    dc December 10, 2007, 10:44 am
  • Jeter’s been doing that jump-and-throw thing forever. Me and my brother were imitating him when I was 10 or 11 (I am 20 now).

    AndrewYF December 10, 2007, 10:45 am
  • The difference, of course, is that the “tampering allegations” in the Drew case were made by a reporter, with no evidence whatsoever, based solely on his own suspicions and backed up with anonymous sources who later denied they ever said what he quoted them saying.
    In the Santana case, the evidence was printed on-record in the newspaper for all to see.

    Paul SF December 10, 2007, 10:45 am
  • My hatred of the Jays comes from the fact that every year, the “experts” love them for a surprise run at the AL East when they clearly aren’t that good. (They are getting better though).

    Paul SF December 10, 2007, 10:47 am
  • Happy to make someone spit coffee all over the place! It happens to me all too often.
    I immitated the jump-throw during practice when I played in highschool 7 years ago, and my coach (who was a Yankees fan) was FURIOUS with me. He lectured me about stopping and planting my feet, and then made me run laps for the rest of practice.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 10:49 am
  • Atheose, you are 100% right! I have yelled at MANY kids for doing it. But I will never yell at the kids who are athletic/strong enough to do it. (Not saying you were or weren’t, just speaking for my kids) In my case it’s usually the kids who can’t that love doing it most!

    John - YF December 10, 2007, 10:52 am
  • “…In the Santana case, the evidence was printed on-record in the newspaper for all to see….”
    you’re right paul, this time there’s actually a smoking gun…but, i’m still not sure if it’ll gain much momentum…that was all i was suggesting…hank said it, but it was hardly a secret that the yanks wanted santana, just like at the time it was no secret that the sox were interested in drew…they may not have been as overt as hank…but that “interest”, and an overly zealous hack is what spawned the tampering allegation…

    dc December 10, 2007, 11:01 am
  • Atheose, touche on the 10:40 remark…I had swallowed my coffee already thankfully but it is one of the rare cases when “lol” was actually literally true. Your comment was clearly “driven” by great comedic instincts.

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 11:20 am
  • What can I say? I’m a sucker for chilled grapefruit, oakmoss and lavender.
    Jeets specifically added the lavender for me, knowing that lavender is an aphrodesiac for men (but not women). Oh he tames my wild fire so!

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 12:05 pm
  • For me, the lavendar doesn’t do the trick so much as the oakmoss. Nothing says passionate romance to me like rolling around on a damp forest floor. Grrrooooowwlllll…..

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 12:19 pm
  • Oh I know what you mean, IH. I’d LOVE to rake Jeter’s leaves!
    Okay, I can’t go on with this joke anymore. I’m dangerously close to throwing up.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 12:37 pm
  • So many comments in this thread with not a one celebrating the departure of The Gagne. I thought there would be a chorus of hallelujahs. Thought wrong.

    attackgerbil December 10, 2007, 12:38 pm
  • I am partly to blame for the AG. Sorry bud!

    John - YF December 10, 2007, 12:42 pm
  • No blame, John.. just surprised.

    attackgerbil December 10, 2007, 12:51 pm
  • I’m a little head-fuzzy this afternoon, so I read that last line to read “10 million dollars, not including invectives.” Which works in this case.

    FenSheaParkway December 10, 2007, 2:03 pm
  • I thought there would be a chorus of hallelujahs. Thought wrong.
    Rather than praising Gagne’s sudden absense, I think most Sox Fans are pretending that he never pitched in a Red Sox uniform.
    That’s what I’m doing, anyways.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 2:08 pm
  • OK, there’s not a really good place to put this but apparently some of the Sox took the WS trophy by a kids’ hospital today. The report says, “Pitchers Julian Tavarez, Bryan Corey, Kyle Snyder and outfielder Brandon Moss, along with bench coach Brad Mills, pitching coach John Farrell and president/CEO Larry Lucchino”. Since I have a son that spends way too much time at the hospital (in CA, not Boston, so we weren’t part of this), this really made me smile, in spite of imagining Julian rubbing the children’s head just like Manny’s.

    rootbeerfloat December 10, 2007, 6:53 pm
  • rbf,
    How did they react when all the kids said, “Who are you guys and how did you get a hold of the Red Sox WS trophy?”
    Just being silly – that is a nice story.

    IronHorse (yf) December 10, 2007, 6:58 pm
  • IH–AHAHAHAHAHAHA. It’s funny cause it could be true!
    I would make a joke about Julian tagging along so he could cruise for jail-bait, but that would be wrong.

    Atheose December 10, 2007, 7:08 pm
  • Atheose: “You’re right IH. I’ve been holding it in for Those eyes, that charm, the way he would rather fly through the air like a dragonfly than stop and plant his feet to make a normal throw… it gets me hot in all the right places.”
    and let’s not forget the smell…how you love the smell of Driven in the morning.

    Anonymous December 10, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • “apparently some of the Sox took the WS trophy by a kids’ hospital today. The report says, “Pitchers JULIAN TAVAREZ…”
    go back go back go back. I thought Tavarez was MIA, with a rifle wandering thru the Guatemalan jungles hunting tigers or something? and that was why Theo put out an APB on his a$$ to come on over and sign his friggin contract? “Batsh-t Insane but Versatile Major League Pitcher, possibly armed and definitely dangerous, last seen in the Denver area…will attack if provoked, but can be subdued with a gentle scalp massage.”
    anyway, I had to say that…carry on with your argument…

    Lyndsay December 10, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • “Rather than praising Gagne’s sudden absense, I think most Sox Fans are pretending that he never pitched in a Red Sox uniform.”
    and somewhere in Los Angeles, Seth Rogen is laughing that he managed to pull one over on all of us – that kid from Arrested Development dared him to go f–k up a playoff run.

    Anonymous December 10, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • “Rather than praising Gagne’s sudden absense, I think most Sox Fans are pretending that he never pitched in a Red Sox uniform.”
    and somewhere in Los Angeles, Seth Rogen is laughing that he managed to pull one over on all of us – that kid from Arrested Development dared him to go f–k up a playoff run.

    Lyndsay December 10, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • IH – I kinda figured Julian was the only one they recognized – an even scarier thought. Can you imagine all the kids looking for Manny and Big Papi and getting stuck with that group?

    Anonymous December 11, 2007, 12:34 am

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