The Song Remains the Same Dept.

Thanks Kevin. Now go F*&^% yourself!

(We kid, we kid….)

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  • I agree with the general sentiment, but I don’t think he really makes a good case. Particularly these two paragraphs:
    So when you say the Yankees suck, you’re saying Derek Jeter sucks, which is preposterous.
    A-Rod? Well, that’s another story, and I don’t want to go there because it kind of ruins my whole thesis.

    Wait, so if a team has one good player I respect, I can’t say that team sucks? And apparently Jeter doesn’t suck, but the best player of our generation does? Please.
    I don’t like the chant because it makes Red Sox fans look like fools, and it’s obviously untrue. Surely the Sox fans at Fenway can find more creative ways to heckle the Yankees. But that has nothing to do with the players on the field. Never has. Cullen seems to completely miss the point of hating a rival, which occurs in spite of the individual players, not usually (though it can sometimes be) because of the individual players.
    His admission/procalamation that he puts that chant with the Wave and “Sweet Caroline” as things he’s never done at Fenway is also odd. Does he find the other two offensive? Too new-fashioned (“Sweet Caroline”)? Too old-fashioned (the wave)? There’s just no common thread running through these three actions, except they take place at Fenway sometimes, and that Kevin Cullen doesn’t like them. I don’t like clam chowder, but I’m not writing a column calling on Sox fans to stop lining up at the Legal Seafoods booth.
    He ends it well with this sentence, with which I wholeheartedly agree:
    But if in this day and age you continue to yell “Yankees suck,” it says a lot more about you than the team you think you’re insulting.

    Paul SF July 25, 2008, 11:09 am
  • I don’t like the chant because it makes Red Sox fans look like fools, and it’s obviously untrue.
    It’s bad especially because most SFs are knowledgeable baseball fans (but not as knowledgeable as most YFs, of course).
    Surely the Sox fans at Fenway can find more creative ways to heckle the Yankees.
    And they have!
    Great call on the last sentence. I’m horrified that some Yankees fans have taken up with the “Red Sox suck” chant. Sad, really.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 11:15 am
  • The bar for was lowered to unfathomable depths by Yankee fans at the ASG. There wasn’t even a modicum of decorum displayed towards Sox all-stars. It was disgusting and shameful. I am not saying that a “Yankees Suck” chant is therefore excusable, but it will be understandable.

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 11:27 am
  • I have really grown up over the past few years. I admit I was one of those loudmouths to a certain degree. I realized though that all that boo’ing and yelling takes away from the reason I am at the game. I can proudly say that while at the ASG, I did not partake in the boo’ing of Varitek, Paps, etc…It takes awhile to grow up, but this guy finally did.
    In my younger, more foolish days I wore a road Yankees jersey with the #’s “1918” on the back where you would normally find 21, 23, etc…(I wore it in the bleachers at Fenway twice, it’s a wonder I am alive) Needless to say the jersey now sits in my closet being rendered useless thanks to Dave Roberts.

    John - YF July 25, 2008, 11:27 am
  • Uhhhhh, AG, you do realize that “Yankees Sucks” has been around for *years* while the ASG just happened. How does the latter make the former, if not understandable, then “excusable”?

    A YF July 25, 2008, 11:34 am
  • > In my younger, more foolish days
    I own an Astros’ rainbow throwback jersey for the sole purpose of wearing it when I go to bars with my good friend, a life-long Cubbie, to watch Northsiders/Houston games. So though I’m not young, foolish definitely still applies.

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 11:35 am
  • > chant is therefore excusable
    should have read not excusable

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 11:36 am
  • ahh forget it. Got lost in double negatives. It’s not excusable, but it is understandable.

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 11:37 am
  • AG if you are in the market for another foolish jersey just let me know. I will sell you the 1918 jersey for a reasonable price. LOL.

    John - YF July 25, 2008, 11:39 am
  • I personally don’t boo players but I don’t think it’s a sign of immaturity or classless or rude if you do. To me there is a theatrical element to some fans’ experience at a game. They are sometimes playing a role–it’s not personal, it’s entertainment–so when Yanks fans booed Sox players at the ASG, it was part of the script of the Yanks-Sox rivalry. This isn’t St. Louis, this is New York. We’ve got attitude. Same thing in Boston. I honestly don’t understand why people are/were so offended by the fans’ reactions to Sox players at the ASG. Again, this is the theater of our collective experience. When did this experience move to Missouri?
    Recently, I showed up at a little league game and started booing the right fielder who missed a play in the outfield because he was obviously looking at a butterfly on the grass. Oh yeah, I should clarify, I boo little league games because the players aren’t as good as the ones on TV. The point is, the kid improved his play immediately afterwards–never daring to look at the ground even once the rest of the game. Mission accomplished. So booing works in some cases. Great teaching device.

    Nick-YF July 25, 2008, 11:42 am
  • Nick, for me it was the fact that at least for that one game, the Yankee fans were playing host at their big house to the one (and in this case, final) time when the AL teams were to unite against their eventual common foe, the minor-leaguers senior circuit players. I was rooting for Drew and all the other Sox to come through for the “good guys”. But that was just my perception.

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 11:46 am
  • I understand that, AG, I guess I thought it was very New Yorkish (therefore honest and I believe good in that perverse New York way) for the fans to let America know what they thought of the Sox. For better or for worse, they represented. Isn’t that what NYC’s about?

    Nick-YF July 25, 2008, 11:49 am
  • “They are sometimes playing a role–it’s not personal, it’s entertainment–so when Yanks fans booed Sox players at the ASG, it was part of the script of the Yanks-Sox rivalry.”
    I think you’re exactly right, Nick – the recent rivalry that a segment of Yankees fans have gotten caught up in – thus the reverse Sucks cheer.
    That said, not surprisingly, I’m the guy that gives Sox fans a hard time at Yankee Stadium. I don’t boo players but yeah I mess with fans. And they do right back. That’s what made the universal choke sign so much fun a few weeks back. A lot of running mouths suddenly…..stopped.
    Not for nothing – but I messed with Braves fans in the same way in 96 and 99 and of course always Mets fans too.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 11:54 am
  • I don’t mind booing. I’ll boo Yankee players (well, I assume I would. I realize I’ve never actually seen the Yankees play in person). I think Nick’s right about that being a part of the entertainment. The chanting is, as well, but I’d much rather chant FOR my team. It makes Sox fans look rivalry-obsessed — which we were — but, as Cullen also rightly says, that era is over. The Sox have been far too successful of late to fixate on the Yankees like that. Let them fixate on us and make themselves look like the fools.
    I say this, like John, as a reformed “Yankees suck” chanter. The last game I went to at Fenway was my senior year of high school, in 2000. We all chanted “Yankees suck” during that game against the Devil Rays. I was sorely tempted after the game to buy a shirt that said “Yankees suck” on the back. Ultimately, I’m glad I saved my money.

    Paul SF July 25, 2008, 11:55 am
  • (well, I assume I would. I realize I’ve never actually seen the Yankees play in person).
    Really? Wow, I’ve seen the Yankees play a lot… at least three times in Texas, twice at Yankees stadium, once at Camden Yards, once at Fenway and twice at Tropicana Field. And I’m only 23.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 12:01 pm
  • “It makes Sox fans look rivalry-obsessed — which we were — but, as Cullen also rightly says, that era is over.”
    Paul, can you frame that quote and put it above your keyboard? Maybe a mantra before you go to sleep every night?
    “Let them fixate on us and make themselves look like the fools.”
    So were SFs “fools”, including you, all those years?
    Look, I understand why it happened. The Yanks won a brutal, nut-kicker game, in 1978. The next chance they truly had to get back at them they got kicked in the nuts again in 2003. That’s 25 years of built up frustration without anything close to an outlet because of one game. The closest outlet was 1986 but we all know how that ended.
    2004 obviously changed things for the plucky underdogs to the northeast. 2007 even more so. The Sox are just another team in the pantheon of baseball history. There’s nothing wrong with that and I suspect many of you SFs wanted exactly that.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 12:04 pm
  • “And I’m only 23.”
    That explains everything.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 12:06 pm
  • That explains everything.
    Aww, I was wondering how long it would take you to break out the person attacks! Looks like I lose the pool though–I had $20 on the “11:30 to 12:00” block.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 12:16 pm
  • That’s a personal attack? Really? What are you, a moderator around here now?
    I’m really very sorry to have hurt your feelings, Atheose.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 12:20 pm
  • Never saw the Yanks at Fenway, and if I’m going to spring for the gas and tickets to drive to Arlington once a year, it’s going to be a Red Sox game.
    I have seen a couple random games at Camden Yards, but it didn’t have anything to do with the Yanks. One was Orioles-Phillies, remarkable only because both teams were so far out of it that a fight broke out next to us over who was better — the Ravens or the Eagles.

    Paul SF July 25, 2008, 12:23 pm
  • HAH, what year was that fight at Camden Yards? Those Phillies fans are pretty hardcore. There’s a courthouse attached to the Eagles stadium so they can prosecute rowdy fans on-the-spot.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 12:27 pm
  • I’m close to the guy that made the original Yankees Suck t-shirts and illegally sold them around Fenway in the mid/late 90s. He made enough money to use his marketing skills to build what is now a very successful clothing and accessory company.
    To this day he regrets ever printing those shirts and selling them, even though without them he might not have what he has today.
    I even helped him sell them from time to time in order to get cash for a ticket to the game. I also regret what little part I had in this nonsense.
    He grew up, I grew up and we both realize how absolutely stupid it was.

    LocklandSF July 25, 2008, 12:30 pm
  • “Yankees Suck t-shirts and illegally sold them around Fenway in the mid/late 90s.”
    mid/late 90s!? But this “rivalry” has been around since the birth of time!?
    (Actually, didn’t someone say something about the Wild Card Era? Hmmmm, now when did that begin?)

    A YF July 25, 2008, 12:37 pm
  • Ath, that fight must have been in 2003 or 2004. I was interning in DC both summers and hit up an Orioles game both times. Don’t remember which was which, though.

    Paul SF July 25, 2008, 12:46 pm
  • I love the tense atmosphere of Yanks-Sox and Yanks-Mets games that is in part made up of chants, insults, boos, etc. It is a big part of what sets those games apart from all others and I enjoy it all for the most part.
    Having said that, when I hear fans of a team chanting either “Yankees suck” or “Boston sucks” when their team is losing or is back in the standings to the team they are insulting, I always think, well if they suck and we’re losing to them, what the hell does it say about us?
    As for chanting it when your team is winning and up in the standings, it always makes me think of overly complex German philosophers and Jackie Gleason. To explain…
    In a philosophy class in college my professor tried to explain Hegel’s Master-Slave dialectic by quoting an old Honeymooners episode in which Ralph yells at his wife after losing an argument, “You’re nothing Alice, you’re nothing. You’re nothing and I’m king of this house!” To which Alice replied, “So big deal, you’re the king of nothing.”
    The prof explained that while the master thinks he has all the power, he only has power because he lords over the slave and so his power is actually dependent on the existence and humanity of the slave and therein the perverse mutuality in oppressive systems and relationships. I see the same thing in fans who happen to be riding high for a game/series/season chanting down at the other.
    Having said all that – I love the chants and the passion behind them anyway even if I don’t participate in them. And I try not to do my overanalysis of them while they are going on.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 12:47 pm
  • Booing is completely acceptable in my opinion. Hell, if you don’t boo the opposing players you are foolish! Now booing the ref’s, I’ve never understood that one…hockey fans are really bad about that. Now getting in fights or screaming profanity and thorwing beer on people is obviously wrong but booing is as American as apple pie? Are we that sensitive now in this country that booing is unacceptable?

    krueg July 25, 2008, 12:49 pm
  • So, IH, you don’t lecture the Bleacher Creatures about the complex mutuality of the master/slave relationship?

    Paul SF July 25, 2008, 12:50 pm
  • “I’m close to the guy that made the original Yankees Suck t-shirts”
    That wouldn’t happen to be notorious Sox fanatic and designer Joseph Aboud now would it Lockland?
    By the way, kudos to you on the Noah’s Ark/YFs as animals crack yesterday. Liked it at the time but didn’t have time to respond in kind. Clever insults and digs are much more entertaining than “X Sucks” chants.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 12:50 pm
  • Breaking News: Brett Favre plans on reporting to Packers training camp.
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d809817f1&template=with-video&confirm=true

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 12:52 pm
  • Paul, I hand out tapes of my lectures instead.
    On decorum in the bleachers: the guy whose season tix are 2 rows ahead of mine gets booted regularly for throwing peanuts incessantly at people wearing Sox/Mets/others parphernalia at the games. He has ruined many an opposing fan’s experience with that slow multiple-inning long version of water (or, in this case, nut) torture. Somehow I think a lecture on Hegel might find me the target of his peanuts. But on the point of “where is the redline”, I think his behavior is totally obnoxious and unacceptable and is much worse than chanting anything because it really does ruin the game for people, even if they are lowly SFs. Nietszche would be pissed.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • I’m sorry Ath, but I can’t tell you how sick I am of the Brett Favre story. Actually, I guess I just did. As entertaining as he is, I am starting to feel like the best thing would be for him to come back and have just a miserable season on a losing team so I don’t have to hear anything more about the guy.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 12:59 pm
  • Wow, Atheose, two updates today on two washed up ballplayers. You’ve outdone yourself.
    IH – Call me very impressed. I heart IH! Care to explain Heidegger in sitcom terms?

    A YF July 25, 2008, 1:00 pm
  • IH…you kill me bro.

    krueg July 25, 2008, 1:00 pm
  • Fun with find and replace:
    I’m sorry Ath, but I can’t tell you how sick I am of the Curt Schilling story. Actually, I guess I just did. As entertaining as he is, I am starting to feel like the best thing would be for him to come back and have just a miserable season on a losing team so I don’t have to hear anything more about the guy.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 1:01 pm
  • Dan Marino is the greatest QB of all time…period. Not to mention the greatest ACTING QB as well. Ace Ventura, Bad Boys, Little Nicky!!! The guy has to have a SAG card by now…
    GO AWAY BRETT FAVRE! NO ONE CARES! Why can’t these guys just retire gracefully like #13???

    krueg July 25, 2008, 1:03 pm
  • Thank you IH, much appreciated.
    No, it’s not Joseph Aboud, successful, but not quite there yet.

    LocklandSF July 25, 2008, 1:07 pm
  • IH, sounds like you had a professor even I could learn from in college.
    I like the idea of Brett Favre playing until he’s 55 even though no one wants him to.

    Nick-YF July 25, 2008, 1:07 pm
  • Sorry IH, I’m sick of it too. Half the office left early today though so I needed someone to tell it to. It’s one of those stories I want desperately to go away, but I can’t help but listen to the news. Kinda like the Santana sweepstakes; I was sick to death of it, but couldn’t tune it out.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 1:12 pm
  • Everybody now!!
    Brett Favre sucks!
    Brett Favre sucks!
    Brett Favre sucks!
    I feel better now.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 1:13 pm
  • Fun with find and replace x2:
    Everybody now!!
    Schilling sucks!
    Schilling sucks!
    Schilling sucks!
    I feel better now.
    Actually no. Why the hell didn’t Torre order some bunts!?

    A YF July 25, 2008, 1:18 pm
  • “I like the idea of Brett Favre playing until he’s 55 even though no one wants him to.”
    Maybe Favre and Bonds should start their own league of some sort.
    No problem Atheose – the link has clearly paved the way for some good banter here. And unlike some, I always appreciate your contributions here.
    Re; nobody at work, I’m totally unproductive at work today – I had to give a talk last night (not on Hegel) in Providence, RI and the last train back to NY that I was supposed to catch got delayed by more than 2 hours so I took a hotel room and caught the morning train instead. Watched Bull Durham from start to finish on the train ride in with the Director’s commentary option turned on the whole time. More enjoyable than I expected, esp. since I could recite all the dialogue he talked over anyway. Tough to work on a sunny summer Friday with Joba-Beckett looming on the horizon.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 1:20 pm
  • > Watched Bull Durham from start to finish on the train ride in with the Director’s commentary
    I’ll have to try that.

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 1:26 pm
  • And unlike some, I always appreciate your contributions here.
    Thanks IH, [TeamAmericaQuote]I treasure your friendship![/TeamAmericaQuote] I’ve been scouring sports sites for good articles to help pass the time, and nothing has worked. I’ve been playing a good bit of Baseball Mogul 2009 too, but I’m bored with that at this point. Clemens can join those two in the League of People Who We’re Sick Of–he can pitch, Bonds can play the outfield, and Favre can high-five them and carry them around on his shoulders whenever they do something noteworthy.
    I’ll have to find a copy of the commentary for Bull Durham. That’s definitely one of the best baseball movies of all time, up there with Field of Dreams and The Natural. Not sure on the specific order I would give to the three though.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 1:29 pm
  • My 2 cents: I actually loved the booing of the Red Sox at the ASG. Thank god for it. It seems to me the problem with baseball these days is that the Corporate geniuses on Park Avenue have taken a good deal of what is “genuine” about attending a ballgame sport, and replaced it with a sanitized, nostalgic, advertiser-approved, for-the-wealthy-only, entertainment atmosphere. However crass the chanting, it was nice to see that construct subverted. Fight the Power!

    YF July 25, 2008, 1:35 pm
  • Ath, you’re forcing me to admit something that might get me pilloried here: I have never watched Field of Dreams. It is a gaping hole in my film repertoire, I know.
    As for best of the two I have watched, I gotta say that for the whole symbolism/allegory side of things, The Natural is great, but nothing captures what feels like the culture of the game better than BD I think. It was written and directed by a former minor league ballplayer and so many of the scenes (as I learned today) are taken directly out of experiences he had in the minors and perhaps because of that, it just feels incredibly authentic to me. I love it.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 1:39 pm
  • I agree with YF on the ASG booing. And I honestly think I would feel that way even if it were played in Fenway and it were Jeter et al getting the biz.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 1:41 pm
  • “And I honestly think I would feel that way even if it were played in Fenway and it were Jeter et al getting the biz.”
    And he did – even as he wasn’t so stoopid to say he should be starting over Nomah.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 1:43 pm
  • IH, Field of Dreams will be a great movie if you ever used to play catch with your dad (which probably 99% of us did, except for AYF whose parents undoubtedly ignored him). It’s a must-watch.
    League of their Own is also a great one, despite it being women’s baseball. Tom Hanks is great: “Do you know you look like a penis with a hat?”
    Though that doesn’t beat: “You couldn’t hit water if you fell out of a fucking boat.”

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 1:48 pm
  • Atheose, please avoid the personal attacks.
    Thanks

    attackgerbil July 25, 2008, 1:52 pm
  • AG –
    Why not just delete those comments? That method worked well for killing a certain other discussion.
    If you guys truly don’t want that trash, please take it to the curb.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 1:55 pm
  • No prob AG, sorry for not being the bigger man.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 1:58 pm
  • And Atheose demonstrates why deleting is usually unnecessary…

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 2:08 pm
  • Not that we need direction as moderators, but let me just point out that deleting comments is a pain in the ass. I know there’s a perception that there is a moderator here who is constantly vigilant and has nothing better to do than police commenting, but the truth is we’re all busy people, and this is very much an extra-curricular activity. We’d appreciate it if everyone—EVERYONE—could do a better job of appreciating that, keep the conversation civil, and allow us to exercise our collective discretion.

    YF July 25, 2008, 2:23 pm
  • And Atheose demonstrates why deleting is usually unnecessary…
    /shrug, it’s called common courtesy. I don’t run this site–I’m only a visitor here. I have no problem if they object to something I say or do. If I don’t like it I can always leave.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 2:27 pm
  • To YF’s point, the comment to which A YF refers earlier in the thread – the one for which he apologized – was not deleted either, so I’m not sure why it was raised. Regardless, let’s all play nice in the sandbox. Or you’ll all force me to urinate in part of it without telling you where.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • I understand that, YF. But it would send a much stronger message to simply delete the trash. There’s no place for it now or in the archives. And offenders will fall in line really quickly. It’s not like it’s alot of comments either. It’s the random nonsense.
    Look what happened with the topic you guys didn’t like. Has it come up again?

    A YF July 25, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • Okay, IH, next time I won’t apologize. And if I’m ever called out by the moderators for that nonsense I’ll only apologize to the moderators and all will be forgiven.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 2:33 pm
  • I understand that, YF. But it would send a much stronger message to simply delete the trash. There’s no place for it now or in the archives. And offenders will fall in line really quickly. It’s not like it’s alot of comments either. It’s the random nonsense.
    Most ironic post in the history of YFSF.

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 2:33 pm
  • Wow. Exhibit A for parents teaching their children about the Golden Rule. Some still don’t get it…23 years later.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 2:36 pm
  • “Most ironic post in the history of YFSF.”
    HAHAHA!!!!
    Quoted for truthiness.

    Anonymous July 25, 2008, 2:38 pm
  • That’s it – I just relieved myself.
    Seriously, what is the big deal here? Just drop the personal stuff between the two of you. Atheose, please no more goading. A YF, let’s not get into your apology. It seemed more like sarcasm then anything to me but as both you and Atheose moved on from it no one said anything to anyone and we just moved on.
    It’s Joba vs. Beckett tonight for Brett Favre’s sakes! Let’s keep our eyes on the ball!

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 2:39 pm
  • I’m sorry my youthful vigor offends you so. Don’t worry, they make stuff for that: http://tinyurl.com/5algj3

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 2:41 pm
  • Yup, obviously Atheose “moved on”. Clearly.
    The brilliant news is I just scored a third row ticket to tonight’s game, and behind the Sox dugout. Look for me wearing a bright navy blue hat, beotches! Drinking begins at 4pm! Then some baseball cards. Looking forward to being a giant ass tonight!!!

    A YF July 25, 2008, 2:42 pm
  • Okay IH, I’ll put him on mental ignore. Consider me goad-free from here on.
    I’d make a comment about how Joba doesn’t go deep into ballgames, but considering the state of the bullpen I’d say that’s a good thing for the Yankees!

    Atheose July 25, 2008, 2:43 pm
  • “It’s Joba vs. Beckett tonight for Brett Favre’s sakes!”
    That killed me too, we’re on a roll here.
    IH, other authors, etc…
    You know me, I’m nice to 99.9 percent of the people that comment here, YFs and SFs alike, I think we’ve all grown to be sort of electronic buddies and I value that.
    But… I absolutely can not stand A YF and I actually do think he’s horrible human being, because he is.
    I’m not leaving and it looks like he’s not leaving, so I will try to ignore him from now on, but it’s hard, really hard. That’s how awful he is.

    LocklandSF July 25, 2008, 2:48 pm
  • Need some tissues? Or some cheese?
    And Lockland – you need to learn to stop projecting. You simply know comments on a internet message board.

    A YF July 25, 2008, 2:54 pm
  • Lockland, I won’t quibble with how aggravating you find A YF’s commentary, but it is kind of extreme to call anyone a horrible human being based on comments here.
    I find ignoring anyone who is aggravating me to be a pretty liberating experience so I hope you achieve a similar serenity.
    Brett Favre on the other hand. Now there’s a horrible human being. It seems we can all agree on that.

    IronHorse (yf) July 25, 2008, 3:05 pm
  • IH, I find it pretty easy to judge a person based on the way they treat others. He’s rude and condescending to anyone that disagrees with him, always, every time, there is never an exception to this rule. I find it hard to believe he only acts this way online, as I’ve stated before, I think this is the real him. Based on this evidence, a fairly large sample size, the only conclusion that I can draw is that he actually is an awful person.

    LocklandSF July 25, 2008, 3:10 pm
  • hey lockland I bet that the “A” in “A YF” stands for “Awfulperson YF” hurhur amirite? did you see what I just did there
    Seriously, it’s the internet. Anyway, the more you lose it when A’s his abrasive self, the more I get to laugh.

    doug YF July 25, 2008, 3:37 pm
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