The Big Tease: Rox-Sox Gamer II

Oh, Terry.

For one glorious day, we saw a vision of the future. Rookie Dustin Pedroia led off for the Red Sox, followed by Kevin Youkilis, still the best first baseman in baseball to this point. Two men with superior on-base skills batting in front of three men with superior slugging skills.

It didn’t quite work as well as we’d hoped. Your new lineup scored just two runs against the Colorado Rockies (the Colorado Rockies!), but the configuration acquitted itself well enough, and your team pulled out a win. You were a genius. We were sorry we’d ever doubted you.

Now this.

"When Pedroia was struggling, it was popular not to play Pedroia," you tell us. "Then Pedroia gets hot. He’s a good player, but so is AC. We just want to keep a good balance."

But, Terry, Alex Cora is not as good a player as Dustin Pedroia. And Coco Crisp is not as good a leadoff hitter as Dustin Pedroia. Or Kevin Youkilis. Or me. You should know this. After less than 2.5 short hours of potency at the top of your lineup, why are you throwing it away? Why do you refuse to give Dustin Pedroia the credit of being a full-time player? Why do you knock him out of the lineup just one day after giving him a new spot to get used to? Why are you waiting until at least the third game of a too-brief homestand to play the nine Opening Day starters (this will be at least the fifth game in a row with at least one significant piece missing for non-injury-related reasons)?

Oh, Terry. I try to keep the faith. I try not to get mad. You’ve clearly done a fine job this season as manager, and this team is reaping the benefits. But sometimes you just make it so hard.

We will, as always comment away…


1. Willy Taveras, CF
2. Kaz Matsui, 2B
3. Matt Holliday, LF
4. Todd Helton, 1B
5. Garrett Atkins, 3B
6. Brad Hawpe, RF
7. Ryan Spilborghs, DH
8. Yorvit Torrealba, C
9. Troy Tulowitzki, SS

Josh Fogg, SP


1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. J.D. Drew, RF
6. Mike Lowell, 3B
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Alex Cora, 2B
9. Julio Lugo, SS

Curt Schilling, SP

62 comments… add one
  • F***ing f***.
    Now watch them score 12 runs.
    What is with this playing-Cora nonsense? He’s RIDICULOUSLY LESS GOOD than Pedroia. When the whole world was clamoring for Cora to take the spot, the rational among us said to be patient and watch. Now the reaping is here and we’re still gonna see Cora this often?
    Maybe it’s a first-year thing? Like they wanna introduce Pedroia slowly to the idea of playing 150+? Jeez, I dunno, mang. Seems pretty silly.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 6:02 pm
  • Does the bottom third of the Rox order set a record for most syllables?

    YF June 13, 2007, 6:06 pm
  • The right day for Cora to get a start (Josh Fogg allows an OPS near .900 to LHHs, and Cora is 5/9 with a 2B, HR, and BB in his career against him), but the absolute wrong player (Lugo!) for him to replace.
    The Crisp at leadoff thing boggles my f-in mind. All things being equal, Crisp should be better than Cora. But hell. Even as he’s been returning to the mean, Cora puts up better ABs than Coco.

    QuoSF June 13, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • It may not be a record, but it sure is an obstacle course for your play-by-play guy.

    YF June 13, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • the difference in cora vs. coco leading off is, i would guess, tiny over the course of a season, and statistically meaningless over 1 game. also, just 2 letters.

    YF June 13, 2007, 6:13 pm
  • Yar, YF. Orsillo seemed especially to struggle with “Torrealba” yesterday and did comment on the bottom of the order and its pronunciation.
    PS Yes, Quo, the Crisp leadoff thing is approximately as infuriating as the Pedroia-Cora thing. Hadn’t noted the career matchup stats (which I tend to think of as essentially luck in every case, though I admit it might have mental repercussions for pitcher and batter) or Fogg’s tendencies with left-handers, though.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 6:16 pm
  • Indeed, YF. However, the difference in PEDROIA vs. Coco is massive beyond statistical reckoning. (I’m guessing 2-4 games over a season? I know that’s not THAT much, but goddamn it, we could use those wins.)

    Devine June 13, 2007, 6:20 pm
  • Well, Devine, it’s certainly a small sample re: Cora v. Fogg, though Fogg’s struggles against LHHs (well, really, against RHHs, or N(No)HHs as well) aren’t the result of a small sample. This might even have been a good game to give Lowell’s hand a rest by playing Hinske at 1B.

    QuoSF June 13, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • Oh no, I’m not saying that pitcher splits are the result of sample size…just essentially ALL specific pitcher vs. specific batter match-ups after you take away what hand they pitch/bat with. I mean, even 100 appearances aren’t statistically relevant, so most such match-ups seem more likely to be luck than skill, though probably at least some are a matter of a batter feeling a pitcher’s tendencies or vice-versa.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 6:44 pm
  • Well, Schill isn’t exactly picking things up where he left them when we saw him last….

    rootbeerfloat June 13, 2007, 7:17 pm
  • Fire Francona!

    TJ June 13, 2007, 7:20 pm
  • Looked pretty scary, glad I wasn’t watching. Oooookay, care to earn the honor of your spot in the lineup, Coco?

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:22 pm
  • Oh…no, then? Yeah. Flyout to center.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • Nice catch, Hawpe, for the 3rd out off Papi.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:27 pm
  • Anyone want to tell Schill and the rest of the Red Sox that this is…

    LocklandSF June 13, 2007, 7:30 pm
  • 1st and 3rd, 1 out for Schilling, on a couple of line-hugging grounders past 3rd.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:35 pm
  • Flyout to Drew who makes a good throw to hold the runner.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:36 pm

    LocklandSF June 13, 2007, 7:38 pm
  • Ouch, a liner just past Lugo for the Rockies’ 2nd run. Considering the offense recently, it looks like quite a hill, and there could be more this inning.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • I am stuck on a conf. call so I’m on Gameday – is anyone watching this disaster? What is wrong with Schill?

    rootbeerfloat June 13, 2007, 7:39 pm
  • just giving runs away now. sweet.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Yick, 3rd run on an error, it looks like?

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:42 pm
  • Schilling finally escapes. F***ing horror show so far.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • Lowell gets one back. 3-1 Rockies.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • lowell trying to make up for defensive mistakes with his 12th homer. 3-1 rockets…or whoever they are.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 7:52 pm
  • Schilling has a scoreless inning (1-2-3 no less) at last and is at 64 pitches after three.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • thanks for that julio. and you too coco. real special at bats from you two. a-rod just hit a two run homer. 3-1 yanks. my groin is becoming fatigued.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 8:09 pm
  • God, how I hate (well, not “hate”, maybe more like “am irked by the success of”) the Yankees.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Ortiz singles after Youk does the same. 1st and 3rd, 2 out for Manny. Can’t say I’m expecting awesomeness, but let’s see.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • youk and papi don’t quit. singles apiece makes it first and third, two down for manny.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Another run on the Manny single to left! 3-2 Rockies.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Drew whiffs horribly, and the Sox get just the one back.

    Devine June 13, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • love it when manny’s pointing at people. it’s normally a good indicator that something good happened…..or it was a pitching change….or his day off….or an outfield misque….
    drew has me angry.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • Gawd do they look ugly tonight

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • some more than others.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • lowel is freaking awsome! (despite some errors)

    mike June 13, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • At least Lowell tries to do something to offset his mistakes.

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Lugo coming through like always there!!

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • heard some boo’s. hopefully he did too. knock it off julio, it isn’t funny anymore.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Lugo+Coco=two stranded runners and rally killed.
    Meanwhile Matsui crushes one to left, 7-1 Yanks

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Jesus, Lugo and Coco, just DFA them, and no, I’m not kidding, not even a little bit.

    LocklandSF June 13, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • Does Schill look flat tonight?

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • He doesn’t look flat tonight, he sucks tonight, and while I’m at hit, his no hit bid was luck anyway.

    LocklandSF June 13, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • Schilling starting another Chernobyl meltdown?

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:41 pm
  • I was going to comment about what a way to come out after a 1 hitter and throw such a turd.

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Wow, I get home to this stinkbomb. Nice effort, from management on down. If Tito wants to get Cora some action, WHY NOT PLAY HIM FOR LUGO?!

    SF June 13, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • You guys think Schill is done? I mean, he is 40 plus.

    Rain SF June 13, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • body blow. body blow.

    sf rod June 13, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Isn’t Torrealba like a .200 hitter? Have the Sox gotten him out yet?
    This is pathetic.

    SF June 13, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Man, 1st pitch homerun to Hawpe(Who the hell is he?) to right field. 6-2

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Schilling’s body language is brutal, like he’s about to just fold up. Is he physically hurt or just emotionally down?

    SF June 13, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Schilling is showing his age this year with his inconsistency.

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • This team is playing like it’s August 2006. They deserve every loss they’ve taken, and they’re going to deserve being laughed at in July if this keeps up when they hit third place.
    If Theo sits around, does nothing, he deserves as much criticism as anyone.

    SF June 13, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • “Is he physically hurt or just emotionally down?”
    Neither, he just sucks.

    LocklandSF June 13, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • I wonder, have we finally hit the swoon in the season?

    Rob June 13, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • Rob, the way the team looks right now (Crisp and Lugo have now sucked for an entire season each, straight) there’s going to be a swoon for the next three months. This is bad stuff, and there’s no solution in sight, frankly, other than a performance turnaround by three players: Crisp, Drew, and Lugo. The only one I have some confidence in is Drew, frankly. I am no longer feeling good about this season, and it’s not the old pre-2004 Sox fan pessimism, it’s empirical. The Sox look like an NL team right now: pretty good starting pitching, a tough 3-4-5, and not much else. It’s a scary thought, but this team could be in second place, easily, come July or August, the way they are playing. Something has to change, either on the field or off.

    SF June 13, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Youk leads off with a double, and Ortiz and Manny do nothing.
    This team is an abomination at the moment. Total abomination.

    SF June 13, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • OK, I think I am going to pull a YF, head to Europe for two weeks, maybe come back and see if the Sox can turn it around. This team is playing baseball like a bunch of fat millionaires, which is pretty much what they are.

    SF June 13, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Christ on a cracker – someone say something that will cheer me up. Maybe the Mets will stop the Yankees tear….

    rootbeerfloat June 13, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • I wonder if Emma has any sacrificial chickens left over. It seemed to work for her…

    Robin June 13, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • That’s the spirit Robin, I’m willing to try anything. If my son’s three pet chickens hadn’t already died, I’d go get one of them…

    rootbeerfloat June 13, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • The whole team is El Vacio right now. I’m looking to Beckett to stop the bleeding tonight. And note to Tito – please start playing a consistent lineup. Put Pedroia in the 1 hole and put Coco and Lugo at the END of the lineup, where they don’t get an extra AB per game…

    jp-sf June 14, 2007, 10:17 am

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