The Captain Speaks: I Speculate

Old Man Gordon Edes’ latest:

Although Red Sox principal owner John W. Henry refused comment on
Ramírez yesterday, president and CEO Larry Lucchino downplayed the
controversy.

"I think it’s a stale issue," Lucchino said. "You guys are making a tempest in a teapot."

Red Sox captain Jason Varitek, however, was not as dismissive.

"This
is a huge one for us to wait out and see what actually happens,"
Varitek said. "We can only go off [whether] it happens, what to do.
There’s not a whole lot to do. If it’s a ‘post’ thing and already
occurred, it changes the dynamics quite a bit.

"He’s scheduled to
be here, what is it, March 1? We hear he’s in great shape and ready to
go. We’ll see what happens [when] we get him here March 1."

Didn’t the captain get the memo? What does he mean when he says that this is "huge"? Does he have doubts that Manny will actually report? Does he have secret information? Does Manny’s trade demand actually have teeth this year? At least one writer thinks this latest episode will rekindle Manny trade talks. As things appear to settle down to cliche-laden soundbites (no more of this sleep-over talk) in Yankees camp, the intrigue grows in Sox land.

Hat tip to Boston Dirt Dogs.

31 comments… add one

  • I don’t even know what to think about this. On one hand, I’m happy that Tek has laid his thoughts on the line. I get the feeling that when he says “us” he means the teammates surrounding him. After last year, with all that they went through, I’m sure that many of them have a real agenda on this year, and Manny’s already going to start stirring the soup up.
    Manny is awesome. I love him. But, if trade talks are going to start up, it’s worth it for Boston to listen again. I will hate it that day, and yes, it will break up a very formidable lineup in the middle, but I’m willing, to some extent, to give another guy the shot there – like WMP in front of Ortiz. It may hurt a lot, but there is plenty of talent in that lineup. Yes, the Red Sox wont score as much as NY, but they may very well score as much as the other 28 teams out there.
    I’m just sick of the drama surrounding him, and if it’s true about his Mother, I take this back, but I’m happy that Tek has stood up as a voice for his team (which is what I think is happening here). It’s his job to solve this issue with Manny and his teammates.
    On another note, if they did trade Manny, I would bet dollars to donuts that A-Rod will be the starting SS in Boston next year after he opts out of his contract, which he’s going to do.

    Brad February 23, 2007, 4:33 pm
  • Blah. I don’t really think those comments are anything too extreme or surprising. That car show is tomorrow, right? Supposedly he’s not going, and will be home with his mum. Tek’s comments sound similar to what Lowell said the other day…if Manny shows up March 1st ready to play ball, there might be a few cold shoulders initially but I don’t really see this turning into anything huge.
    Unless he goes to the car show…then I’m not sure what’ll happen.

    desturbd1 February 23, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • Unless he goes to the car show…then I’m not sure what’ll happen
    we end up with Putz and Beltre, while the Mariners get Manny and Lowell.
    I kid of course, but I bet something MAJOR will happen if he goes to that show. Jesus, Manny – don’t go to the car show!
    Who knows though, maybe Manny thinks that by not showing in Florida, lying to them, and then going to the car show anyhow, he’ll get what he wants – out.

    Brad February 23, 2007, 4:46 pm
  • is Manny being Manny this time akin to Hamlet putting on an antic disposition? Is there method to his madness?

    Nick-YF February 23, 2007, 4:49 pm
  • I don’t read anything in to Tek’s comments, we don’t know the context of the question, this is absurd speculation.
    Why do people insist on making a big deal out of nothing?

    LocklandSF February 23, 2007, 5:00 pm
  • ehhh – BDD has the link that says he aint going. Good choice.

    Brad February 23, 2007, 5:01 pm
  • “I would bet dollars to donuts that A-Rod will be the starting SS in Boston next year after he opts out of his contract, which he’s going to do.”
    I got the donuts, do you have the dollars?

    Triskaidekaphobia February 23, 2007, 5:26 pm
  • Keep in mind that that was contingent on Manny getting traded…

    desturbd1 February 23, 2007, 5:28 pm
  • I wouldn’t care if it was contigent on J-Lo becoming the hitting coach…..
    I got the Donuts.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 23, 2007, 5:30 pm
  • Trisk,
    You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think that Boras is going to press that issue. If he stays or not, he’ll be getting a new contract this year from someone.

    Brad February 23, 2007, 5:44 pm
  • and, why do you have donuts? ha.

    Brad February 23, 2007, 5:45 pm
  • Mmmmmmmm. Donuts.

    SF February 23, 2007, 6:29 pm
  • “I wouldn’t care if it was contigent on J-Lo becoming the hitting coach…..
    I got the Donuts.”
    hilarious.

    Yankee Fan In Boston February 23, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • I am not contending that he won’t construct a new contract, but in this man’s opinion he will not be in Boston. Not next year or anytime soon. A-Rod is a man who is always concerned with what people think do you really think he would up and leave for the enemy? He would be more of a mental mess then he is now if he did that.
    Ahhh Brad always the jokester.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 23, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Boston, outbidding the Angels or the Cubs, who want him infinitely more? Yeah, right. Anyway, even in this market, A-Rod is not likely to get more than what he’s getting now. Boras might press the issue, but even he’s smart enough to realize that $25 million a year is still a ceiling, even for a player of A-Rod’s talents. Also, remember that the Yankees are paying only about $17 million a year out of the total contract (how Cashman got Texas to agree to that I have no freaking clue), no team with common sense actually wants to pay $25 million for one player. Right now, I’d say it’s about 90-10 A-Rod stays in New York. It’s probably even less than that, but I’m always swayed by the sensationalist media.

    Andrew February 23, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Was off work today and just sat in front of the computer for the first time. That Varitek quote is a mess. It’s hard to really tell what’s being said one way or another:
    “This is a huge one for us to wait out and see what actually happens,” Varitek said.
    What’s a huge one? The March 1 report or the car show? Is there a doubt that Manny might not report March 1? Or is the car show such a big deal that if Manny goes there, something will need to be said or done? This statement is begging for a follow-up question. Apparently, either none was asked or the answer wasn’t printed — a disservice either way.
    “We can only go off [whether] it happens, what to do. There’s not a whole lot to do. If it’s a ‘post’ thing and already occurred, it changes the dynamics quite a bit.
    If what’s a “post thing?” The car show hasn’t happened yet. March 1 certainly hasn’t happened yet. Everyone knows the discussion between the FO and Manny HAS happened. So I’m unclear as to what exactly Varitek’s unclear about. And if this unknown thing did occur, how would it change the dynamics? This sentence just makes no sense.
    “He’s scheduled to be here, what is it, March 1? We hear he’s in great shape and ready to go. We’ll see what happens [when] we get him here March 1.”
    Now this makes sense. And frankly because it makes sense, unlike the rest of the quote, it should have been the only portion to make it in the paper. Because the rest of it sounded fairly negative — even though it’s unclear and confusing — Edes, who has made his distatste for Manny quite clear, put it in the story. The problem, of course, is that Edes chose to confuse and mislead his readers, which the last I checked is still frowned upon in journalism these days.

    Paul SF February 24, 2007, 12:30 am
  • Anyway, even in this market, A-Rod is not likely to get more than what he’s getting now
    We’ve been through this on another thread, but the truth is there’s a very good chance he can make more than what he’s getting now, in long-term guaranteed dollars.

    SF February 24, 2007, 7:28 am
  • Okay, Trisk. I understand your argument, trust me. But, I do not think he’s happy in NY, and I don’t think you do either. I’m also not saying that anyone is going to pay him upwards of what he’s making now, but I do feel (as SF said) that he is fully capable of signing a new long term deal that will allow him to make more money over a longer period.
    This constant media attack he faces in NY, the boos, the Jeter saga, Boras, Boston, money, and pride are all reasons that everyone thinks this guys is going to opt. Even if he stays in NY, which is totally a possibility, he’s going to make them prove to him that they want him there. Another year like last year, and I don’t think the sides will be able to meet. Wouldn’t giving A-Rod a huge contract at the age of 32 go against this “new philosophy” I keep hearing about?
    You think that A-Rod won’t involve Boston because of his pride, when I think that pride is exactly what will push him in that direction; another year of playing backup (unjust, at that) to Jeter, another year of hearing the same stupid questions about who’s better (again, stupid), and I think he’ll put the pressure on NY to pay him, and if he doesn’t, Boras will convince him to. This will lead to Boston being involved one way or another, and I don’t discount the option of him going there.
    I’ll take him with open arms. In fact, I’ll wear my new A-Rod Jersey to the first game if it happens.
    Are you telling me that you can’t see Boston trading ManRam this offseason knowing that Boras is going to have A-Rod opt out of his contract?
    If Boston trades Manny, you can be sure that they’re not going to put Varitek in his spot. They’re going to push the issue on whatever player is available, and I think it’s going to be Alex. That’s all I’m saying.
    But, I’ll hold you to those donuts on your QU trip.. ha.

    Brad February 24, 2007, 8:51 am
  • Listen. If A-Rod has another year of decline and is tortured by the Yankee fanbase, yeah, he might opt out just to get away from New York. Deservedly or not, he’ll likely get put on the same mantle as Jeff Weaver for players who didn’t ‘make it’ in New York. He might not even get $25 million, though, if he shows he’s declining at the age where lots of baseball players decline, and that would be a pretty dumb move to throw away $70 million guaranteed dollars. So if that happens, well, it’s a toss-up.
    However, if A-Rod puts up 2005 numbers again, most likely leading the Yankees to yet another AL East victory, there’s a couple things that could happen. If he’s incredible in the playoffs, and the Yankees win it all, then why would he want out of NY? I can assure you that Cashman would tell him there’s no chance of the Yankees signing him if he opts out, since the Yanks would have to take on all of his salary at that point instead of getting help from Texas. It just wouldn’t happen. If he wins the WS with the Yankees he will finally be embraced by Yankee fans everywhere, and why would you want to get away from that? Honestly, I don’t think he’s going to say “oh, well now I can alienate everyone and get $5 million more a year with another club that probably won’t make the playoffs with the regularity the Yanks do”. It just doesn’t make sense from a player’s standpoint.
    There is the scenario, though, where he has a bang-up season like 2005, but chokes in the big spot and the Yankees lose. That’s the only time I could see A-Rod probably opting out. He’d be guaranteed huge bucks elsewhere as he’d shown he can still be one of the best players in baseball, and he would finally be gone from the NY media. Now, yeah, that’s a distinct possibility (for example, that’s what happened in 2005), but I just don’t think that more failure in the postseason is likely for him. He’s shown he can hit in big spots, carrying the Yanks over the Twinkies in 2004, and he always has hit well with RISP and in big spots, despite what your deceiving eyes might tell you. Small sample sizes in the playoffs can’t predict future failure. It’s just more likely he’ll succeed.
    That’s why I’m saying it’s a hell of a lot more likely that he’ll stay in NY (maybe with an extension past 2010, but no opt-out) than not. You Boston fans can start salivating about your new $30 million shortstop, but just realize it’s much more likely you’ll sign Zambrano than A-Rod.

    Andrew February 24, 2007, 11:14 am
  • most likely leading the Yankees to yet another AL East victory…
    I agree with almost everything you said except this part. Also, we all thought JD Drew was crazy for opting out. Players do, and it’s especially more likely to happen when the contracts are once again out of control. I just think the guy asks for a huge extension (more likely if he has another 2005 as you suggested), and if they Yanks say no, he’s gone.
    I don’t think it’s because it’s A-Rod, or the Yankees, or Boston for that matter. I think it’s because it’s Boras. A-Rod will not live in the shadow of a lesser player as he does in NY, continue to be hounded by fans and media, and continue to catch the blame for the ailments of the universe. I think he goes, but only time is going to tell. If he has a monster year, which is very likely, he’ll demand to be restructured. If not, I think he’ll be down on NY media and fans, and opt out.
    Whatever the case, I think the issue is far from over, and it’s probably all we’re going to hear all year. He’ll say things like “I love NY” or “I’m planning on being a Yankee for life” or “I want to retire a Yankee”, but if I remember correctly, A-Rod’s word is about as reliable as his ability to hit the high fastball when down in the count: not really trustworthy.
    I just think he leaves, and I think he goes straight to the spot that allows him to go back into a head on head with Derek Jeter, AGAIN proving who’s better SS.
    If it was me, I would. Any real competitor would, much less the greatest player we’ve ever seen.
    Oh, well. Time will tell, I’m sure.

    Brad February 24, 2007, 11:48 am
  • For the record, ARod has been a third baseman for so long, I don’t think anyone would acquire him with the intention of reconverting him to a shortstop. Likewise, the Sox have Julio Lugo locked up longterm but a huge gaping hole at third after the 2007 season…

    Paul SF February 24, 2007, 12:25 pm
  • I dunno, Paul. The transition to SS is much easier than to third (especially when you’re the best all-round man to ever occupy that spot in the history of the game) Also, the Red Sox could move Lugo to third, where he has played before. All I’m saying is that this is definitely a possibility; whether anyone wants to believe it or not, we can all see it working out this way.

    Brad February 24, 2007, 12:34 pm
  • But, I’ll take him at third too!!

    Brad February 24, 2007, 12:35 pm
  • I think the odds in Vegas of A-Rod signing with the Red Sox are 10000 to 1. But could you imagine it if the Sox signed him and didn’t extend Schilling? The harbor would be filled with tea again!

    Nick-YF February 24, 2007, 12:40 pm
  • “Wouldn’t giving A-Rod a huge contract at the age of 32 go against this “new philosophy” I keep hearing about?”
    No. The “New Philosophy” as you call it calls for not giving medicore FA’s long term contracts OR re-uping with pitchers/catchers near the end of their careers UNTIL they prove there is gas left in the tank. Giving A-Rod a 6 year deal would not be foolish, this guy is in great shape, this is not a Carlos Lee situation. He would be 38 by the end of the contract, not exactly unheard of as hitters go.
    Everyone is entitled to an opinion, my opinion is not anymore insightful then yours, but I can honestly tell you in my gut I feel this guy is best suited in NY. Yes I know there is constant scrutiny and yada yada, but if/when he overcomes this adversity (MVP, with adversity LOL) it could be the single greatest achievement of his career. Add to that Boston is not a better situation by any means. The media is almost as bad, the attention isn’t any less, the stage the same and so on. If he were to leave NY for a better situation why in God’s good name would he leave for Boston? Anaheim maybe, but not Boston.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 24, 2007, 1:11 pm
  • he were to leave NY for a better situation why in God’s good name would he leave for Boston?
    No Derek Jeter. He leaves, and once again resumes his role as the best player on earth. He stays, and he continues to play out his days behind someone else’s legacy. Oh, and given the last five years, remind me again who has had the higher success level between these two clubs? I mean, you can cite all the AL-East – 98 wins seasons all you want, but who’s been to the top, and who hasn’t? Stick that “mighter than thou” attitute in a sock! Why go to Boston indeed.

    Brad February 24, 2007, 1:19 pm
  • oh well, Trisk. Much like everything else, we’ll have to wait and see. On another note, went to a QU hockey game last night, and that rink is ssoooooo nice.

    Brad February 24, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • You crack me up, you really do. “Mightier than thou.” You are too much. You don’t know me at all do you Brad, I am not a high and mighty type of fan.

    Triskaidekaphobia February 24, 2007, 1:21 pm
  • Yeah man once HS baseball season ends I am headed back to QU, can’t wait to see the changes!

    Triskaidekaphobia February 24, 2007, 1:22 pm
  • If ARod grows tired of the intense pressure and media and fan scrutiny of playing in New York, I somehow doubt Boston is the place he would be looking at as going to a more laid back environment. Heh.
    If Arod is owed about 80 mil. for the 08-10 years of his original contract, he would be taking a substantial pay cut for those three years in a new deal.
    IMO, after the coming season, if ARod wants to stay in NY, and the Yanks want to keep him, they would keep his current deal in place and then tack on an extension, which would be good for the Yanks as they would continue to have Texas kicking in that roughly 1/3 of ARod’s contract for those 3 years, and good for ARod, who would be making more money by playing out his original deal at 27 mil. per year for the last 3 years, and then whatever the Yanks would agree to pay him per year on the extension.
    How ARod’s season and hopefully, postseason goes, will have a lot to do with how this all plays out.

    Whatever February 24, 2007, 4:58 pm
  • Oh really?..

    Juno888 July 5, 2007, 2:44 am

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