The Jeter Meter: 20 And Up

It seems a good time for this year’s first installment of the JM. After four hits in yesterday’s double-dip (and but for some excellent defense, it could have been even better), everyone’s hero now holds a 20-game hit streak. With the outstanding April from Alex, the disaster of the pitching staff, and his own throwing problems early in the season (now apparently rectified, and in any case exacerbated by some lackluster play at first that could have saved him a few errors), his typically outstanding performance at the plate has gone pretty much under the collective radar. As last night’s clutch late inning rbis demonstrated, he remains a force.

BA: .349
OBP: .412
SLG: .443
R: 20
HR: 2
RBI: 10

Also, if your derma happens to be dry and rough, a full range of Derek’s Driven skin care products is now available from Avon. Just the other day SF was telling me how much more responsive Mrs. SF has become since he started using the Derek Jeter Driven Oil Control Deep Cleansing Face Wash. Also, his beer-ball league batting average is up 20 points. Stuff’s better than HGH!

54 comments… add one
  • Here’s where the first SF tries to piss on your parade. :-)
    BABIP of .380, (.395 last season…) luck has to run out some time. Hopefully. Or Jeter’s got some kind of magic amulet.
    This despite…a lousy and, for him, unusually low LD% of 16.8; down from a tremendous %22.3 last season, making that 06 .395 BABIP a bit less surprising.
    Ditto his current HR/F of %7.4, which to this point is the lowest since 2004.
    So, statistically speaking, he’s not hitting the ball as hard as he did last season (or in 2004) but still has the average. His chart is actually weird; his average and BABIP have gone up each year since 2004, despite an enormous increase in GB%. Maybe this is a trend, somehow, and he’s just a million times better at aiming the ball at holes then most. Hard to say.
    The BABIP is probably always going to be a bit above .300 for him, but if that LD% and HR/F don’t improve, his average will (I think) fall. Not below .300, probably, but it won’t be in the .340’s anymore, either.
    And so I don’t get accused of blatant bias, I said similar things about Crisp’s ‘resurgence’ the other day.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 10:25 am
  • Uh, Francis, in case you didn’t realize it, Jeter is a professional hitter. Always has been too. That’s the reason he gets these streaks and that’s the reason he’ll collect 3000 hits.
    You can BABIP-ity bop all you want. This streak is far from fluky (unlike Crisp’s resurgence, or even Varitek for that matter).

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 10:43 am
  • Jim, what is your deal with the hatred for Varitek? Did he spurn you personally at some point in your life? It’s unhealthy.
    Anyway, back to the original post. I don’t find it surprising that Jeter has gone under the radar a bit for this reason at least: he has a lot of lengthy hitting streaks throughout his career, and I think a lot of people have become accustomed to seeing it. I imagine you’ll see more focus on it when he either approaches/exceeds 30 games, or when he puts in more clutch RBI/hits/game-winners.
    Can’t deny that he’s good, even as a Sox fan, but in no way will I go for the face wash. I’ll stick with my Nivea for Men, thank you.

    Scott SF May 4, 2007, 10:57 am
  • I’ve just figured it out.
    Jim = Murray Chass. The irrational hatred, the dismissal of statistics, as well as such new-fangled ideas as logic and analysis. It all makes sense now!

    Paul SF May 4, 2007, 11:22 am
  • Murray has as much distaste for the Yanks as the Sox. Jim doesn’t fit that bill.

    YF May 4, 2007, 12:06 pm
  • Appropos of nothing, but they just announced that Josh Hancock had a .157 blood alcohol level at the time of his accident and 8.55 grams of weed in his car.
    Count me among those who no longer feel particularly sorry for him–his family and team, yes, but not Josh–and am now just happy nobody else was hurt.
    http://tinyurl.com/32yyrq

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 12:30 pm
  • Good analysis, D1. I had noticed that Jeter wasn’t hitting the line drives this season, and had been collecting a bunch of infield singles on balls that he hasn’t hit hard. Jim’s ridiculous man-love for Jeter notwithstanding, I don’t think he has a magic amulet.

    mattymatty May 4, 2007, 12:30 pm
  • Just a note – Jeter’s BABIP is .361. Maybe this guy’s just really, really good.

    Andrew May 4, 2007, 12:47 pm
  • I meant, of course, career BABIP. And I think that but for three hitless games, including one 0-4 this season, he would have broken DiMaggio’s hitting streak record…and by and far away eclipsed anything going on in the sport. But instead he has 36 more games to go.

    Andrew May 4, 2007, 1:01 pm
  • I guess Jeets just knows how to get on base .
    Infield hit , up the middle , sharp balls that eat infielders , speed , etc… At the end of the day you see Jeets on base quite often . He’s never been fluky , and will never be .
    In short , in this case we can throw BABIPitys , L/D ‘s , and hr/f’s aside , to the trashcan if you please , and bet yor head that JEETS will collect near or plus 200 hits , bat .320- .350 (.309 would be a failure for you sox fans , ridiculous) , and have another Spectacular , yet common for him , season . Not to mention , he WILL contend for a Gold Glove .

    arny May 4, 2007, 1:57 pm
  • Yeah, a meaningless, not driven by rationality “gold glove”.
    Great hitter, though.

    Devine May 4, 2007, 2:04 pm
  • Uhh, yeah, he will get at least 200 hits. He’s batting second for the NY Yankees. He doesn’t even have to be that good to snag 200; the fact that he’s a phenomenal hitter just makes it that much easier.
    I don’t agree with just disregarding…logic…for anyone, but in Jeter’s case, it’s clear his BABIP is, for whatever reason, abnormally and consistantly high. (Where do you find career numbers like that, Andrew? THT and Baseball Reference don’t have it)
    That said, I’m not throwing LD% and HR/F out the window. These two numbers are ABNORMALLY low for Derek Jeter, at the moment, even as the BABIP is a tick higher then his career norm. Something has to give; I know he’s always getting hits, but c’mon…if you’re not hitting the ball as well as normal and still getting the same average on balls you put in play, there’s probably some luck involved.
    That’s the sticking point for me; there’s a great chance the LD’s and homers come back, but if they don’t, I think his average drops back to the low .300’s. Not bad at all, just not, uh, absurdly good.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 2:25 pm
  • And yes, I’m basically arguing that he’ll be ‘just’ a great hitter instead of a hit-machine-MVP(if you ignore his defense) type. Yes, I’m nitpicking, and yes it’s because I dislike Derek Jeter and his cologne. Heh…
    FWIW, I’d hoped I could go after A-Rod near the end of his hotstreak in April, despite the fact that my eyes told me everything was legit…but our eyes were right and there was nothing to nitpick. GB% still 6 points down, LD% a few ticks up, and a ridiculous %40 HR/F, which is unsustainable for the best of hitters but just a crazy number for someone a full month into the season. He’s cooled a bit, but still just a freaking beast.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 2:33 pm
  • Did anyone else see Jeter on Letterman a couple of weeks ago? He was pretty funny…
    http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/index/php/20070426.phtml

    Tyrel SF May 4, 2007, 2:34 pm
  • Baseball reference has those numbers. You gotta get to the dropdown menu where it says “Splits” and select “career”. Here’s the specific link for Jeter:
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=jeterde01&year=00
    But that might be the thing, d1. Many players get into slumps where they DON’T hit line drives or hit the ball hard, and they don’t know what to do when that happens (look at Abreu). Jeter could be going through one of those phases right now, but since he is a great player, he manages through it.
    So there could be the argument that he could only improve ;)
    Also, I think your ‘anyone could get 200 hits batting second for the NYY’ spiel is a bit specious. The players immediately surrounding him are sucking as much as they possibly could, and yet Jeter still pounds out the hits. I’ve been watching and they don’t really seem ‘lucky’ at all. He just drives one up the middle (which wouldn’t count for a line drive) or just place the ball where he wants. Ever hear announcers raving about his ‘inside-out swing’? It’s not for nothing. He could bat anywhere in the lineup, in any lineup, and be just as good. I think he’s proven that.

    Andrew May 4, 2007, 2:38 pm
  • It’s harder to take a guy seriously who promotes a cologne with his name on it that allegedly has the scent of “crushed leaves, chilled grapefruit, rhubarb, lavender, spearmint, bamboo, driftwood and oak moss.”

    Hudson May 4, 2007, 2:48 pm
  • “Also, I think your ‘anyone could get 200 hits batting second for the NYY’ spiel is a bit specious.”
    That’s based almost entirely on Juan Pierre managing 200 hits leading off for the Cubbos last season. OK OK, not ANYONE; I should have said, anyone with good speed and better contact ability then Adam Dunn. ;-)
    Thanks for the BR help, btw; I’d assumed BABIP would be under the Special Batting section on the player’s front page and didn’t notice the dropdown.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 2:51 pm
  • d1, you can find all that kind of information on fangraphs.com too. And under the all graphs option it’s pretty easy to see that he’s never been below .300 in his career.
    Manny’s is also .341 for his career. There are going to always be hitters who are exceptions to the rule, even with more advanced statistical measures. Manny hits the ball hard, which explains his. I think Jeter does have tremendous bat control and also the speed that the Yankee pink hat mentioned already, which explains his.
    (How many times do us SFs get blasted about all the pink hats at Fenway?)
    Hudson, let’s be honest. Crushed leaves smell fantastic. Not wild about driftwood or oak moss, myself. Rhubarb is more of an acquired smell.
    Saying Jeter WILL contend for the GG is like going back four years ago and saying Bush WILL contend for the presidency. He might win, but that doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near the best choice. (This was probably too political for some people, but I think the basic analogy fits.)

    QuoSF May 4, 2007, 3:07 pm
  • Is Jeter lined up to become an Avon lady upon retirement? (Yeah, it’s weak. It’s all I got.)
    (And, yay, there’s Arny. And jim. Wheee.
    Irrational blowhards.)

    I'm Bill McNeal May 4, 2007, 4:21 pm
  • IBM,
    Even if he did, there’s probably some houses his car just “wouldn’t have the range” to get to.

    QuoSF May 4, 2007, 4:24 pm
  • In reference to my idiotic comment just above, this just struck me as funny.
    Also, if your derma happens to be dry and rough, a full range of Derek’s Driven skin care products is now available from Avon.
    Everything on their website SHOULD appear on the right side of your screen only.

    QuoSF May 4, 2007, 4:27 pm
  • Speaking of SS, you know who’s terrible?
    That Hanley Ramirez.
    He’s *only* sporting a .327/.421/.561 with 7 2B, 2 3b, and 4 HR. That’s a 165 OPS+. Jeter’s career high is 161. And he’s got 3 errors in 24 games.
    Just terrible. Almost as bad as SF’s talking about flaws in Jeter’s game. You’d think they were used to seeing a great SS every year what with the string of success stories from Cabrera to Rentaria to Gonzalez to Lugo. Shoot, Lugo keeps up his 80 OPS+ and you could be seeing your sixth SS in six years in 2008. That’s impressive! It’s like the Yankees backup catcher situation, um, except worse.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 5:16 pm
  • Hey, did you hear about the up and coming star shortstop who was traded for an ace pitcher and a gold gloving doubles machine of a third basemen?

    Tyrel SF May 4, 2007, 5:40 pm
  • You surely can’t be talking about:
    Josh Beckett of 112 ERA+ fame
    and
    Mike Lowell – of 110 OPS+ Fame an d 8 errors this year.
    Meanwhile, young Hanley will be earning league minimum through 2011.
    Nah, I’d rather have Julio Lugo.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • Hey, maybe if your GM is smart (at least according to Paul’s instincts) he can trade Ellsbury for Helton in three weeks.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 5:49 pm
  • Actually, I think he’s talking about former WS MVP Josh Beckett with the 6-0 record and 2.72era, and the Mike Lowell with the highest career fielding percentage of any third baseman- ever.
    No argument that Hanley is good, but Anibal has kinda fallen off the map since his no-no last year. Beckett and Lowell for those two was and is a good trade.

    Nate=Soxfan May 4, 2007, 6:02 pm
  • Meh, you just know Jim is sitting there salivating over the keyboard, waiting for someone to respond.
    FWIW, (not much this early in the season) Beckett’s ERA+ is 160. OPS+ allowed is 60. He’s inducing more grounders and easy flies, walking fewer guys, and has allowed a measly .325 SLG.
    Lowell’s OPS+ is 145, but that’s probably not going to last; he’ll be over 100 again this year, though, thanks to the Monster. Wow, 8 whole errors from a guy with an impeccable track record…couldn’t be an anomaly, could it? No, not if Jim says it isn’t. THT has Lowell as the 3rd best defensive 3B in baseball last season, behind Rolen and Inge. Pinto had him in the upper 1/3.
    THT had Hanley’s ZR at 3rd worst among MLB shortstops last year; Dave Pinto had him in the middle of the pack. Gonna improve but he’s no GGer, or he wasn’t last season. How’s Anibal doing this year, hmm? What? He’s back in AAA? I believe I called this precipitous decline quite some time ago…
    Was a fair trade for both sides.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • “Meanwhile, young Hanley will be earning league minimum through 2011”
    Hanley will be have three years service and thus arbitration elgibility after 2008.
    Lowell’s OPS+ is 5 points higher than that of your Captain O Captain. At 2/5ths the cost.
    Beckett has as many wins as the nine starters used this season by the Yanks combined.
    But Jim, I love the enthusiasm. Keep playing.

    Tyrel SF May 4, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • Good luck finding rationale for that non sequitur of a comment. I’ve never advocated trading Ellsbury. Ever.
    Incidentally, I love this logic:
    in this case we can throw BABIPitys , L/D ‘s , and hr/f’s aside , to the trashcan if you please
    The written equivalent of holding both hands over your ears and shouting “Nyah nyah nyah I can’t hear you!”

    Paul SF May 4, 2007, 6:04 pm
  • Whatever helps you sleep at night, Nate.
    Beckett has to do it for 200 innings, and he *never* has.
    Lowell is a free agent after this year. And his glove looks solid gold this year
    Hanley you’ll be hearing about for many years to come. Anibal is just icing.
    Meanwhile, I wonder who the Sox SS will be next year? You know, Omar Vizquel will be available.
    Enjoy!

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 6:09 pm
  • I love the rationalization from Sox fans when it fits the moment. I seem to recall many were happy with the Damon to Crisp “upgrade” too.
    Hanley is just too good of a punch line because the only way that trade is equal is if Beckett throws multiple CY seasons. And the liklihood of THAT? I mean, Josh Beckett?
    And my bad. Why would the Sox sign Vizquel when they can have 2006 World Series MVP – David Eckstein! You know, him and Pedroia could be quite the blackhole of offense up the middle.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 6:18 pm
  • It’s just such a shame that jim has come here is all. He’s depriving the folks at BB of an intellectual person whose discussion is entirely fueled by sense.
    Hmmmm, I’m trying to remember the last Sox troll of such a nature. Yanks fans, has there been such a troll? One of the nature of, ahem, “Count the rings” or “Man, I just cannot get over how much I hate Varitek; it’s life-debilitating.”
    Does it make you happy, Jim? Really? I feel sorry for you.

    Devine May 4, 2007, 6:19 pm
  • Yeah, cause this thread is filled with sense. It’s just funny that anytime Jeter’s name comes up, SF’s go into a hissy fit. I suppose when you’ve watched that parade of characters at SS for the last five years, it’s explainable.
    Meanwhile speaking of Varitek and funny – His OPS+ of 79 is less than one half of Jorge’s 161 OPS+. Now, that’s funny. And in retrospect, it’s obvious why Varitek SLG peaked in 2003-2005. Too bad they test for that shit now. Talk of Captain My Captain! Does it still upset people to say Vairtek is cooked?

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 6:25 pm
  • Nah, Varitek IS cooked. Probably a bit less well done if he hit from the right side at all times, but cooked.
    Yeah, all those Sox fan hissy fits about Jeter being “a phenomenal hitter” or saying he has “tremendous bat control”. You’re right on with your characterization. You’re not demonizing a fanbase even a little.
    I really do pity you, jim. Do you have a family?

    Devine May 4, 2007, 6:32 pm
  • Yeah there was a real hissy fit here. Really. The way I accused Jeter of hitting more GB’s and fewer HR’s then usual and speculated that, if current trends continue, he might be slightly less-great then last year. Quite the tantrum. Then the discussion about how his career BABIP is in the .360’s anyway, which SF’s unanimously praised as evidence of his talent.
    Oh wait…it was civil, level-headed, respectful, and fairly interesting. Until you showed up.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 6:33 pm
  • Hanley is just too good of a punch line because the only way that trade is equal is if Beckett throws multiple CY seasons.
    WTF? Your logic is mind- numbing, jim. How in the f#ck did you come up with that rationalization? With the exception of the 2006 NL ROY, Hanley has done two things: 1. Jack. 2. Shit. And Beckett has to win multiple Cys to equal that. Truly brilliant deduction.
    I swear that there’s a village somewhere near jim that is very upset because their idiot is missing…

    Nate=Soxfan May 4, 2007, 6:36 pm
  • Yeah, Francis, anyone can get 200 hits in the 2 hole of the Yankees.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 6:38 pm
  • Hanley is just fun. I look forward to him starting for the Yankees in 2012. Him and Reyes in the same city, and both under 30, at the same time. I can’t wait.
    In the mean time, I’ll enjoy his 3/4/5 yearly line. Especially since he’s shown he can take a walk and hit for power. Nah, that’s not valuable from a 23 year old SS.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 6:41 pm
  • again, friends. Leave him be. He knows enough big-boy stats to sound adult, but he still sounds like an angry 13-year-old who’s pissed because his parents wouldn’t let him stay up late when the Yankees last won a World Series.
    I know, I responded to him, too, but no matter how hard it is we must try to ignore. It’s the only way the trolls go away.

    Paul SF May 4, 2007, 6:45 pm
  • Yeah, I did too. But mostly because Beckett’s stats are nice to look at, Sanchez’s suckitude makes me smile a bit, and fielding debates are always fun, especially when a SS is involved.

    desturbd1 May 4, 2007, 6:49 pm
  • “I suppose when you’ve watched that parade of characters at SS for the last five years, it’s explainable.”
    Man, if only we had any jewelry that could possibly make that parade of characters slightly more palatable.

    Tyrel SF May 4, 2007, 6:50 pm
  • I like the fights where YF and SF fight and one of them eventually apologizes for being a jackass. Those are the fun fights.

    Devine May 4, 2007, 6:53 pm
  • Sorry for feeding the troll Paul. I posted again before I saw your call to reason.

    Tyrel SF May 4, 2007, 6:55 pm
  • Too often Tyrel that response is at the end of a thread. Man, SF’s are an angry bunch. Indeed, did you hear?: even Torre commented on it.
    It’s okay Paul. Cry it out. Everything will be okay. Let it out.

    jim - YF May 4, 2007, 6:56 pm
  • Oh, all right, then.
    Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow.

    Devine May 4, 2007, 6:57 pm
  • Hello all – longtime reader, firstime poster!
    “everyone’s hero”
    Ehh, of course, as a SF, he’s not my hero – he’s a really good, maybe great, hitter, mediocre-at-best fielder.
    “In short , in this case we can throw BABIPitys , L/D ‘s , and hr/f’s aside , to the trashcan if you please , and bet yor head that JEETS will collect near or plus 200 hits , bat .320- .350 (.309 would be a failure for you sox fans , ridiculous) , and have another Spectacular , yet common for him , season . Not to mention , he WILL contend for a Gold Glove .”
    Interesting that you want to throw out the stats that are more meaningful than most folks understand, and want to include stats that are less meaningful than they’re generally considered to be. (btw – isn’t hr/f mostly a pitchers’ stat?) And I don’t know about other SFs, but I wouldn’t consider .309 as all that much different from .289 or .329. The difference between .289 and .329, over a 600 AB season, amounts to about 1 hit every 6 or 7 games; between .289 and .309, or between .309 and .309, one hit every 13 games or so.
    Especially the GG – the fact that Jeter has won multiple GGs is almost as much of an indictment of the award as the fact that Rafael Palmiero won one for a season in which he played ~20 games in the field. GGs are like the ASG, except with managers and coaches voting instead of the fans – it’s a popularity/reputation contest, with little correlation to quality of play.

    Zulu.as.SF May 4, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Zulu –
    Welcome.
    “1 hit every 6 or 7 games” means about 25 hits a year, which I consider pretty significant.
    But otherwise, agreed.

    Tyrel SF May 4, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Quo SF , You are a total scrotum .
    Last year the best candidate by a mile was Jeets , and who won??? Justin , on a team that had to other MVP nominees ( Cuddyer , Santana ) . Justin not the better choice , but he won , just like in 2004 the red sucks won it all . So shut up and take it like the man you are not if Jeets wins ANOTHER Gold Glove , you faggy hater .

    arny May 4, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Also , Jeets will have 238 hits this year .
    And , again , QuoSF is a total scrotum .

    arny May 4, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • I’m a pretty talented scrotum to be able to:
    A) Type.
    B) Know a hell of a lot more about what we’re talking about than you
    C) Realize that the other MVP candidates for the Twins were actually Mauer and Santana, not Cuddyer and Santana, and also realize that we weren’t talking about the MVP in the first place. My ballot might’ve been 1- Mauer, 2- Jeter, 3- Santana
    D) Not resort to comments like “faggy hater”, which would absolutely reduce the strength of an already weak argument, if I were going to choose to be dumb enough to make an argument where I felt such a comment would be a strong point.
    E) Know that, and there are YFs here who know this, that the GG is both meaningless, and if it had any meaning, Derek Jeter would’ve won a grand total of -3 GGs.

    QuoSF May 5, 2007, 12:31 pm
  • Wow Quo, you really seem to have gotten under Amy’s skin. Maybe she likes you.

    Tyrel SF May 5, 2007, 1:03 pm
  • And Quo, I’ve been meaning to ask you – why do you hate faggies so? And does your irrational faggy-hatred influence your dislike for Captain Jeets and his perfume?

    Tyrel SF May 5, 2007, 1:35 pm
  • Still you are a scrotum , Quo SF.
    And GG’s do mean something , you Quo scrotum .
    From now on , could you people Call this Schlongster Quo SF Scrotum QUO 3000 .

    arny May 6, 2007, 12:15 am
  • tHAT IS WHY qUO sf WILL NEVER GET A VOTE in the hall of fame ballot . NEVER . GG’s mean some in coop town , Scrotum Quo 3000

    arny May 6, 2007, 12:17 am

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