The Jeter Meter: End of Season Ed.

The batting title eluded our hero’s grasp (huge congratulations to Joe Mauer, the first AL catcher to win that award), but it hardly casts a pall over a truly magnificent season for the Yankee captain. The numbers, for the record:

Games: 154
Hits: 214
Runs: 118
RBI: 97
Doubles: 39
Homers: 14
SB: 34 (CS: 5)
BA: .343
OBP: .417
Win shares: 31

We’ll skip the various “clutch” metrics; by whatever system you use—or none at all—his season defined that term. MVP? He’s got our vote. But, yeah, we’re biased.

17 comments… add one
  • A great season to be sure. YFs need to hope that the writers remember who they voted for in 2001. And Ichiro won it without having calm eyes or a significant quantity of intangibles or his own cologne.
    I’ve gotta say, I think it needs to be Mauer. Comparable stats with less ABs (neccessary, since he’s a catcher). And Joe is probably in the top 5 at his position defensively. Should that matter? I think so, with as important a position as it is. And Jeter’s defensive contributions? Not nearly as bad as his harshest critics, but certainly not nearly as good as his most ardent supporters.
    I’m becoming a broken record with this, but he deserves the MVP more than he deserves the GG. If he wins both (as my nightmare last night suggested) I’ll personally be more upset about the GG.

    Quo October 2, 2006, 12:26 pm
  • Since it was the subject of some debate until the Sox choked and died on the field, I’ll add Ortiz’s stats:
    Games: 151
    Hits: 160
    Runs: 115
    RBI: 137
    Doubles: 29
    Homers: 54
    SB: 1 (CS: 0)
    BA: .287
    OBP: .413
    SLG: .636
    OPS: 1.049
    Win shares: 29
    If the Sox made the playoffs, it would be a no-brainer for Papi. His stats stack up incredibly well, even in Win Shares, where unsurpisingly, his hitting portion beats Jeter’s, but Jeter’s defense shares put him over the top.

    Paul SF October 2, 2006, 12:48 pm
  • I think that Mauer, Morneau, and Santana will usually receive attention in that order on BBWAA ballots regarding the Twin’s three legitimate candidates. Perhaps Morneu will get ranked over Mauer on, oh, a third of the ballots, but catchers are a sexy pick. Either way, Jeter and Dye will benefit because of the situation.
    Each writer votes for 10 players on their ballot. The first-ranked player on a ballot gets 14 points, second gets nine, third gets 8, and so on down to the 10th player who gets 1 point.
    It is hard to imagine a situation where a writer could legitimately come up with a ballot that went something like:
    Mauer, Morneau, Ortiz, Jeter, Dye, Santana, etc.
    Instead, I am thinking each balloter is going to give one, at most two of the top five positions on their ballot to a Twin and the other(s) will fall out of the top five, whereas Jeter will rarely finish out of the top four on any ballot. Ortiz will continue to suffer the DH stigma, legitimate or not, but will benefit somewhat from the Twins glut of MVP candidates. However, he is in a similar situation as Manny Ramirez’ numbers make him a legitmate contender as well. It’s a shame that the stigma generated by certain writers questioning his dedication have overshadowed what was a remarkable performance even with the loss of the games at the end of the regular season.
    For examples, look at the voting results in the past few years at the BBWAA website. Turn the colors on your monitor down before looking at it. Their web design will make your eyes bleed.
    I would not feel that an injustice will have been committed should Mauer, Morneau, or Ortiz be selected over Jeter. I also do not think it is likely. Jeter is as worthy of the award as any of the other candidates discussed in this comment, and the voting process as it is will help his case.

    attackgerbil October 2, 2006, 2:01 pm
  • …i actually hope jeter doesn’t win the award…if he does, the outcry will be deafening, and i’m not sure yankee fans collectively have enough energy to continue defending his choice over other guys with arguably better stats, although ichiro did win a few years ago with fewer hr’s than jeter has this year…as a yf, i see jeter more, so i see a lot of stuff about his play that i like that don’t wind up in a box score…maybe they just need to come up with another award [best offensive player] to go with the mvp, and clarify the definition of “valuable”…but then, we wouldn’t have that to argue about, would we?…
    …i don’t agree that oritz should be informally disqualified because he isn’t on a winning team…he’s still my choice…

    dc October 2, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • In as sense, dc, they do have that in the Silver Slugger award, but that’s per position so I suppose that’s not what you really are proposing.
    I agree with you regarding Ortiz. I would have no problem with him winning the award. I thought he was a lock earlier in the year, and I have been hemming and hawing over Hafner (before he got hurt), Morneau, Mauer and Dye and various times, but Ortiz continues to deserve serious consideration with an awesome performance on the year including what I think is a significant record (single season away home runs).

    attackgerbil October 2, 2006, 4:21 pm
  • Quo: it would be awfully hard not to give the gg to Michael Young considering the year he had. I hope your dream is at least partially off; I would not be able to defend a gg going to Jeter this year. Couldn’t really do it last year either.

    attackgerbil October 2, 2006, 4:33 pm
  • congrats to mr. freddy sanchez for winning the NL batting crown. we can only speculate on what his numbers would project to with a decent team behind him. sorry mr. pujols and mr. howard, the most value comes from freddy the pirate.
    remember when OPS meant something? a vote for jeter says you don’t.

    sf rod October 2, 2006, 4:57 pm
  • sf-rod, comprehensive stats which factor in OPS such as win shares and VORP have Jeter at the top, well ahead of Freddy. This seems totally disingenuous of you harping on Mr. Sanchez. Quite frankly, they don’t compare this season.

    Nick-YF October 2, 2006, 5:17 pm
  • American League MVPs
    Year – MVP – OPS Leader
    2005 – Alex Rodriguez – Alex Rodriguez
    2004 – Vladimir Guerrero – Manny Ramirez
    2003 – Alex Rodriguez – Carlos Delgado
    2002 – Miguel Tejada – Jim Thome
    2001 – Ichiro Suzuki – Jason Giambi
    2000 – Jason Giambi – Ichiro Suzuki
    1999 – Ivan Rodriguez – Manny Ramirez
    1998 – Juan Gonzalez – Albert Belle
    1997 – Ken Griffey Jr. – Frank Thomas
    1996 – Juan Gonzalez – Mark McGwire
    1995 – Mo Vaughn – Edgar Martinez
    1994 – Frank Thomas – Frank Thomas
    1993 – Frank Thomas – John Olerud
    1992 – Dennis Eckersley – Frank Thomas
    1991 – Cal Ripken, Jr. – Frank Thomas
    1990 – Rickey Henderson – Rickey Henderson

    attackgerbil October 2, 2006, 5:37 pm
  • EDIT: 2000’s OPS leader was Manny Ramirez.

    attackgerbil October 2, 2006, 5:39 pm
  • i understand fully nick. if freddy wasn’t a pirate his win shares and vorp would be significantly higher? it’s both freddy and jeters OPS that point out the “Lemke” like qualities in both players.
    freddy is a great little player. why do you have such a problem with him being mentioned statistically with your captain? does it take away from the mystique and aura? should everyone close their eye’s to freddys accomplishments because it waters down jetes abit? i say let’s celebrate freddy “captain tangibles” sanchez.

    sf rod October 2, 2006, 5:45 pm
  • see, I know you’re a smart guy and I know to some degree your just egging me on. Fine. I love Freddy Sanchez. He was one of the highlights of my otherwise dismal fantasy season. Let’s just say I basically hate the Giles brothers and Hank Blalock. However, your overall point is to say that if Jeter gets the MVP then there’s a double standard being applied in the NL if Freddy doesn’t get one. This would make sense if they were having comparable seasons, but outside of average and OPS, they are not. This has nothing to do with the fact that Freddy’s numbers are not being helped by having a good line-up around him. For instance, Miguel Cabrera plays on a sub-.500 team, but his win shares and VORP and other comprehensive stats rank him up there with Mr. Jeter. Furthermore, your focus on OPS and BA ignores many of other stats that make Jeter a much more valuable player than Freddy. He has more stolen bases, plays a more important position, has more homers, has been the best hitter with RISP, etc. These are significant stats. Freddy’s a great ex-Red Sock, I’ll give you that. And I recommend you creating a fan site devoted to all of the great young Sox prospects Theo has sent away in recent years (Mike Gonzalez, Hanley, Anibal, and yours and my man, Freddy), but he just doesn’t compare to Derek.

    Nick-YF October 2, 2006, 5:58 pm
  • Note: For the record, Richard Lederer over at Baseball Analysts also on the Jeter for MVP bandwaggon.

    YF October 2, 2006, 7:08 pm
  • i hear ya nick. you’ve chosen certain stats from jeter, that you feel are the more important one’s, to compare with freddy. i’m just hoping sports writers put more wieght in HR’s & RBI’s, the one’s that are imprtant to me, when comparing stats for MVP. opposed to one’s like…. stolen bases and win shares.

    sf rod October 2, 2006, 7:17 pm
  • Very interesting article by Rich Lederer:
    After getting slammed in the comments section, he retorts with his statistical reasoning halfway down the page. Worth checking out…

    Andrews October 3, 2006, 11:14 am
  • YF- lederer quickly decided to back away from jetes after taking a beating on the boards. he now tucks tail and endorses johan.

    sf rod October 3, 2006, 3:18 pm
  • sf rod…lighten up on yf…you sox fans continue to cherry pick stats, and get behind ANY player, as long as his name isn’t “jeter”….ha, i’m waiting for you to trot out some stats that promote coco puff crisp for the award…it kills you to admit jeter’s good and worthy of being an mvp…stats are only part of the story [ask arod}…personally i’d pick ortiz [if only i had a vote], but as a sox fan, you are incapable of being impartial…you hate jeter because he’s a yankee…if he were a stinkin’ sox, you’d be drooling over him and you know it….

    dc October 3, 2006, 6:22 pm

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