The Morning Un-News

Today work required that I begin my day quite a bit earlier than normal, which on top of last night’s debacle in Tampa Bay was enough to make for a rugged start. What’s worse, it appears that being in fifth place means that the first “Yankee” news item in one of my Yankee news aggregators was a piece involving Griffey passing Reggie, and Boomer out-dueling the Unit. That’s right, last place means that the lead news involving the Yankees doesn’t involve any active Yankee one bit.

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  • Who needs wins? They have intangibles.

    Adam W April 25, 2007, 7:19 am
  • 1 – What I am about to say isn’t because I am nervous and starting to panic.
    2 – I have felt this way for quite some time, but never as strong as I do NOW.
    Joe is an awful strategist. He is a great manager of talent/motivator, but when it comes to in game strategy, managing starting pitchers and the bullpen he is A-W-F-U-L. I am sorry to say it but it’s time to go. I love Jeter but he’s going to have to suck it up and learn to play for someone else. Pinch running for Giambi, not pinch hitting Phelps, using Vizcaino to issue an IBB, pulling Wang after 80 some pitches, allowing Wright to give up 4 CONSECUTIVE HR’s and not pulling him before this happens, bringing in Mo in the 8th inning and so on and so on…..
    Sorry but this guy is going to ruin a perfectly good team. Goodbye Joe. Thanks for everything, without you I don’t think we have that run, but that’s over now and you need to go.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 25, 2007, 8:31 am
  • Well then, my contribution fits perfectly here — un-Yankee news.
    I went to the Cubs-Brewers game last night at W(orld’s Largest Bar)rigley Field. Awful weeather. Rained the last three innings. Boston native Rich Hill pitched well for the Cubs but the offense was brutal. Prince Fielder homered to right center into a stiff wind. Kevin Mench also homered. Brewers won, 4-1. Would have been 4-0, but with 2 outs in the 9th, Mench slipped on the wet grass and dropped a fly ball in left field (scored a hit) that allowed the Cubs run to score.
    Best part 1: Tickets were free (upper deck, 3rd base side in the outfield)
    Best part 2: Came home with a Billy Williams autographed baseball. (I now have a mate to go with my Ted Willams ball, which I cannot find since we moved).

    I'm Bill McNeal April 25, 2007, 8:53 am
  • Jeez, Trisk…. don’t you know it’s only April? These games don’t even count; Torre is just working out the winter kinks before he gets down to business.

    Brad April 25, 2007, 9:42 am
  • Brad you are totally wrong. April games count double. Losses with the sox in first count triple against the yanks. If they dont stop loosing soon this seemingly surrmountable 4 games back with 143 games left to play could turn into 30 games back in the next week.

    sam YF April 25, 2007, 10:17 am
  • 5 game losing streaks suck regardless of the time of year. this predicament stinks as a redsox fan becasue as soon as the yanks start climbing in the standings, if ever there is a day that the yanks climb into first place in this long season, red sox fans will never hear enough about how the sox blew the lead, spring forward- fall back, how the yanks ovecame “like they always do”, etc. etc.. lets hope that day never comes.

    Ric April 25, 2007, 10:24 am
  • IMO 5 game losing streaks suck in late august a whole lot more than they do in April. Not to say that Im happy with this one, Im just glad there is lots of time to recover.

    sam YF April 25, 2007, 10:26 am
  • Sam, I was serious, so no need to be that way. I fully feel that Torre and the Yankees have plenty of time to straighten this out, but you can spin it into any kind of sarcastic, off-the-cuff comments that make you feel better about the situation.

    Brad April 25, 2007, 10:27 am
  • But, in a week, if this is still happening, do we say “it’s only May”, then maybe when Mussina or Pettitte or Schilling go back (on onto) on the DL again, do we say “it’s only July”?
    All games matter equally, no matter when they happen.

    Brad April 25, 2007, 10:32 am
  • Brad, sorry if i confused you with the dozens of other SFs who have made similar comments about april baseball. The only thing that will make me feel better is if the yankees starting winning games. Posting on this site makes me feel better bc it just means Im not doing work.

    sam YF April 25, 2007, 10:32 am
  • I dont think anyone has ever said “its only July” and you certainly wont here it from me.
    If the yankees continue to play like this for the next two weeks, ill be truely worried. I dont think they are as bad as they have played the last 5 games, teams always look their worst during losing streaks. An obvious statement but a true one.

    sam YF April 25, 2007, 10:37 am
  • Another off-thread note:
    A couple of days ago, we had a thread here about Bob Ryan’s column in which he waxed on what he sees as the sorry state of the NYY-RS rivalry.
    I heard Ryan today on Kornheiser’s XM show. At the end of the interview, TK mentioned the weekend series, the TV ratings in Boston for the Sunday game, and then Ryan referenced the aformentioned column on the state of the rivalry.
    Ryan elaborated more, saying the thing he finds troubling about the rivalry now is that he has heard from friends who won’t take their kids to Yankee games at Fenway because they don’t want them to hear the “Yankees Suck” chants and worse vulgarities.

    I'm Bill McNeal April 25, 2007, 10:43 am
  • Ryan has been downplaying it for absolutely forever…that’s his angle, and he’s sticking to it no matter how great the games end up being.

    Brad April 25, 2007, 10:50 am
  • While I disagree at the state of the rivalry as depicted by Ryan, I do agree with him about the reduced pleasure of going to some of these games. Both fan bases have their share of morons (few of which inhabit this site thankfully) who make the environment at the ballpark less than ideal.
    The one thing that really gets me is the Yankees/Red Sox suck chants at games in which the teams arent even playing each other. Whats the point? Both sets of fans need to have more to rally around than just hatred of the rival team.

    sam YF April 25, 2007, 11:08 am
  • Wasn’t there a piece up late last night, had the name Kubler-Ross in the title?
    Anyway I have nothing of substance to say…but in going with the theme of the post…does anyone else kind of like Eric Young on Baseball Tonight? He doesn’t say anything stupid, has a good point every now and then…he’s harmless, at worst, and a decent analyst at best. Good to see, beats the f*ck out of Kruk and Phillips.

    desturbd1 April 25, 2007, 12:19 pm
  • d1 – Yes, I had meant to publish it as a draft but accidentally saved it to the front page; I was working on it before I went to a 1st birthday party. I need to finish researching some stats to add to it before I let it fly.

    attackgerbil April 25, 2007, 1:29 pm
  • I kind of agree with Trisk here, actually. Not that Joe should go. Let’s be honest: The managers for both of our teams are paid more for their ability to handle egos/personalities and the media than they are for their ability to manage.
    When you get down to it, neither is exactly going to give Sparky Anderson/[INSERT your “schema” of a good strategic manager here] a run for their money.
    The issue with the Yankees, in the long-term, is that you’ve got basically two in the running for manager next season. (Girardi, Mattingly), with Donnie Baseball being the favorite last time I paid attention. Is there any reason to believe he’ll be a better manager as far as pitching is concerned than Torre is, other than the “anyone would be better” argument?
    And even if it’s Girardi, those young pitchers in Florida have been the very picture of health thusfar, so it’s either I guy who I’m guessing knows nothing/very little about pitching (Mattingly) or a guy who knows a little about pitching but will ride his starters 1/2/3 innings more than he should (Girardi).

    QuoSF April 25, 2007, 1:37 pm
  • I’m not ready to advocate pulling the plug on Joe just yet, but Trisk, I agree with you in principle. WHY would you pull your extreme groundball inducing starter after only 81 pitches when your plan is to intentionally load the bases and hope for a DP? Did Joe forget about all the control problems Vizcaino has had lately? The Myers/Crawford matchup would have made sense if Myers wasn’t ground meat at this point. Not only did we lose the game, but we also missed a chance to give the bullpen much needed rest. Yeesh, that has to get better.

    Andrews April 25, 2007, 2:35 pm
  • The Myers/Crawford matchup would have made sense if Myers wasn’t ground meat at this point.
    Myers had a 1.10+ ERA going into that at-bat against Crawford. If he’s not used then, when is Myers supposed to be used?

    SF April 25, 2007, 2:57 pm
  • Andrews – Torre said that in the post-game interview that Wang has a relatively strict 80-pitch count limit going into the game. Which seems likely, since this move probably makes no sense otherwise..

    Lar April 25, 2007, 2:58 pm
  • Right, Lar — Wang was coming off the DL and a touchy injury. I imagine he couldn’t just trot out there and throw 100 pitches. What if he reinjured the hammy? What would people be saying about Torre killing his pitchers then? Seems like Joe can’t win here.

    SF April 25, 2007, 3:15 pm
  • > when is Myers supposed to be used?
    With a five-run lead, apparently.
    > Seems like Joe can’t win here.
    Or away either.
    Kidding. Both of those snarks are not how I feel about the situation; I agree with both of your statements, SF. I’m just tired and cranky.

    attackgerbil April 25, 2007, 3:22 pm
  • What’s frustrating from a Soxfan perspective is that the Yankees are losing and the Sox aren’t taking advantage. I don’t ever want to see Tavarez pitch another game.

    Paul SF April 25, 2007, 3:42 pm
  • “Myers had a 1.10+ ERA going into that at-bat against Crawford. If he’s not used then, when is Myers supposed to be used?”
    I think that was the 12th appearance by Myers so far this season, and if memory serves me correctly, because of the starters’ struggles, many have been for more than his customary 1 or 2 outs. Fatigue has affected his control. The manager should consider a pitcher’s workload when deciding whether or not to send him into a game, or do you disagree?
    Lar, I think Wang, given his usual economy, could have issued the IBB, and pitched to one more hitter without raising his pitch count that much. I’m all for being careful, but Wang still had his 93-95 velocity at that point, so I would have had him pitch to one more.

    Andrews April 25, 2007, 4:57 pm
  • Andrews – I agree with you. I’m just stating that’s what he said during the post-game, which is rational, if not reasonable..

    Lar April 25, 2007, 5:06 pm
  • One thing I don’t understand about that – if Wang was on a strict 80 pitch limit, then why didn’t Joe pull him after Navarro’s hit, as is his custom with starters in later innings – letting the guy pitch until someone gets on? He was almost at 80 then.

    Andrews April 25, 2007, 5:12 pm

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