The Wisdom of Sheff


I don’t put nothing past anything, but I live day-to-day. I never worry about what tomorrow’s going to bring or what rumors are being spread….It’s always an honor to be wanted. To be still going as long as I have and to have people still want you, I feel good about that.

We gotta say it. We love our Sheff. He’s been nothing but a gamer since donning the pinstripes, a borderline MVP, and who cares if his defense is….creative. The man goes out and bangs every night, rain or shine, pain or not. We don’t want to see him go.

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  • Yankee fans do not want to see him go.
    I, on the other hand, offer to help him pack, and then drive him to Shea, or wherever he may end up going.
    A-Rod, without Sheff, is not nearly as intimidating to pitch to, and Cameron does not nearly command the same respect as Sheff.
    Sox fans love the idea of him not being there, and since there will obviously not be any real bullpen help coming from the Mets as well (they don’t have anything that worries anyone), it makes it all that much a better deal for Boston.
    I will say this, it’s a good long term move for the Yanks. It’s a way to get younger, better defensively, and cheaper all in one shot. But, if GS was thinking that this is the short term solution, most would disagree.

    Brad-SF June 29, 2005, 10:18 pm
  • YF conveniently (and maybe intentionally) excluded the incredibly unprofessional comments by Sheffield in which he intimated that any team that trades for him ought not to expect him to try so hard. He also excluded the part where Sheff said he made “concessions” to play for the Yankees, concessions made after the lunkhead fired his agent and negotiated his own deal, screwing up his deferred money. This guy is such an anti-Derek that it is befuddling to me why YF would put him up on the pedestal he does. You talk about a confused Yankees fan with a bizarre set of conflicting standards, and you’re talking about YF.

    SF June 29, 2005, 10:51 pm
  • Sheffield is an ass. However, he’s a great hitter. Incredibly great. I won’t shed a tear if the Yankees trade him. In fact I join Brad in offering to help Sheffield to pack. Good riddence, Sheff. Enjoy Shea/Petco/whereeveryouenduppark.

    mattymatty June 29, 2005, 10:59 pm
  • Yeah I just saw that on the Mets post game. What a jerk this guy is. Much like when he did the interview in SI (you remember, when he said that he’s not impressed with Ichiro because anyone can have that many hits if they are trying for singles), he has once again made himself look like the ass that he is. Not only has he strapped they Yanks, who I’m sure would trade him if the option came along (and I don’t think the Mets deal would be it), but he has also forced Yankee fans to see the rope he’s going to hang them with.
    In an era when the Yankees desperately need to get better in the OF, and are probably not going to sign him again after next year, he has forced his hand in the same fashion as Giambi. I’m not going anywhere, and there is nothing you can do about it. I believe that “buyer beware” is the message he was sending, and this does NOTHING but hurt the Yankees.
    Now, even if the Yankees ate his money, who wants an already proven cancer in the clubhouse that really does not want to be there?
    Nice move Sheff. Please, by all means, keep running your stupid mouth, hindering your team in an effort to move forward, and making yourself un-tradeable.

    Brad-SF June 29, 2005, 11:02 pm
  • Blah Blah Blah. You’d think Sheff just ate a few puppies for all the outrage demonstrated here. (And it seems all the bile is coming from Sox fans, not the Yankee rooters whom he has apparently wronged.) So he doesn’t want to go anywhere. Who can blame him? We love this town and we’re glad he does to. And we all know Shea is a dump. Indeed, the old softy in us always feels for the player traded against his will, as if he were a chattel. You say, “that’s the price the ballplayer pays for his millions.” We say, Whatever. As stated, we don’t want to see Sheff go, and certainly not for Mike Cameron. The Yanks may need to get better in the outfield, but dealing away their top player at that position isn’t going to make that happen. Bernie for Cameron we could understand. Hell, we’d even throw in Woemack.
    PS: Just because we like Derek, in all his perfection, doesn’t mean we can’t appreciate Sheff as well. Our house has lots of glass. We don’t like to throw stones.

    YF June 29, 2005, 11:47 pm
  • That’s so weak. The issue isn’t Sheffield and the Yanks, it’s Sheffield himself. The guy’s comments today were the definition of unprofessional. I don’t care where he goes, if he stays. The deal as proposed (by the Mets, supposedly), was rightly rejected by the Yankees. That isn’t the issue of my post. It’s about YF’s Hiltonianly loose standards with regards to the professionalism of the players that don the pinstripes. Sheffield, in declaring his “love” for the Yankees, has shown his true nature: he’s a mercenary out for himself and nobody else, and he’s got a very short memory. He’s not a team player, and he basically admitted today that he can’t be trusted. He’s not someone YF should express admiration for, considering what we know of YF.
    Shame on you, YF. Call us very disappointed in you.

    SF June 29, 2005, 11:57 pm
  • SF, Sheffield played last year while he was physically unable to lift his arm above his shoulder. That means he sacrificed his body to try to help the Yanks win. That is selfless. Unlike Schilling he didn’t make a whole production of it. He is a gamer as YF correctly called him. Please stop your moralizing.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:12 am
  • Give us 9 non-team players with near-1.000 OPS numbers and, believe me, we’ll be thrilled. We may be Hiltonian, but SF seems positively O’Reilly-esque in his relentless and shallow moralizing. And of the two, Paris is definitely a lot more fun.

    YF June 30, 2005, 12:18 am
  • I think I will just leave this one where it is – Sheffield is a great player, and I made a case for him as MVP last year, so take that for whatever it’s worth. But that doesn’t excuse his comments today, nor does it excuse YF’s weakness in not calling out Sheffield for his inexcusably unprofessional comments. I can’t believe you guys can’t see that what he said today was not about a team, but about himself. It wasn’t about being a gamer, it wasn’t about wanting to win, it wasn’t about anything but Sheff wanting what Sheff wants. Step outside your allegiances for just a second, and think about what Sheffield said today. Not pretty. I attended the Mets game tonight with one of the biggest diehard Yankees fans I know and he was absolutely appalled at what Sheffield said.
    And this standard doesn’t just apply to the Yankees because I root for the Red Sox. Take the asinine comments made by Keith Foulke after last night’s blown save. Foulke was a real hero during last year’s title run, but he went way over the line, insulting Red Sox fans in nasty fashion. For that he deserves our scorn, regardless of how much of a gamer he was last season. The same standard applies to Sheffield.

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:28 am
  • Hah! Who’s SF trying to kid with this stuff? No real Yankee diehard would ever be caught dead at Shea.

    YF June 30, 2005, 12:54 am
  • “Bernie for Cameron we could understand.”
    Aint never gona happen. GS has repeatedly spoken of how the Yankees mistreated the Babe at the end of his career and how that should never have happened. I cant imagine him now trading away Bernie in the twilight of his. Nor when the time comes for Derek either. GS does seem to have some loyalty, unfortunately not so in the case of Petite.

    bronxborn June 30, 2005, 2:39 am
  • Oh, so now Sheffield is the team frickin’ historian. You guys never cease to amaze.

    SF June 30, 2005, 6:43 am
  • It gets even better:
    “You have to understand something: I allowed them to defer money that no player has ever done, to try to prove to people that it ain’t about the money,” he said. “How many people that are my caliber as a player would have done what I did?”
    FINALLY, at long last, the record is set straight for all of us: Gary Sheffield – the Jackie Robinson of deferred money. Maybe Sheffield’s a gamer, but this comment also makes him something else: a liar.

    SF June 30, 2005, 7:02 am
  • GS=George Steinbrenner
    G$=Gary Sheffield
    bronxborn was talking about the Boss as Yankee historian.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 8:27 am
  • Thanks for the clarification, Nick. That makes more sense now.

    SF June 30, 2005, 8:32 am
  • Bernie is no Babe, BronxBorn. Blogger Was Watching has even speculated about his popularity in the clubhouse, and that a certain shortstop may be less than thrilled with his lackadaisical play and work ethic. And we all know what happens when players fall afoul of a certain shortstop (see: Chad Curtis). In any case, even Bernie might prefer some deal that puts him in a lineup everyday instead of in a permanent seat on the Yankee pine. Treating guys well in their golden years–and god knows Bernie deserves it, he’s always been a YF favorite–can’t come at the cost of team performance. That’s no real service to the player. There are other, longer term ways for the organization to show its appreciation.

    YF June 30, 2005, 8:59 am
  • Petite was an injury waiting to happen (and it did). Bernie WAS great and now he is draggin this team down. There’s a time and a place for retirement and that was in Spring Training, bernie. It’s time to go off into the sunset.

    Urth June 30, 2005, 10:33 am
  • People. It’s Pettitte. Let’s at least do the man that justice. But letting him go was clearly the right move.

    YF June 30, 2005, 10:54 am
  • I can certainly understand letting Pettite go now. At the time it seemed like an asinine move, but clearly the front office knew something that we didn’t.

    Al.Bundy June 30, 2005, 11:27 am
  • Somehow this thread has moved from being about the jackassery of one right fielder to the merits of letting a lefty loose. Let’s get back on topic, fellas!
    Sheffield’s a liar and a jerk!!!!
    (There, that oughtta do it)

    SF June 30, 2005, 11:32 am
  • Sheff’s less of a jerk than Schilling. (Fanning the flames).

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:02 pm
  • How’s that Gary Sheffield Pitch for the Cure non-profit working out? I’ll take our jerk over yours, even considering his stupid voting record.

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:08 pm
  • Sorry to interupt this riveting discussion, but… Hey YF, what do you think of this (the link is below so you don’t think I made this up):
    Fight Night at Yankee Stadium
    New York Yankee stars Derek Jeter and Alex “A-Rod” Rodriguez have stopped beating themselves up for their team’s worst season in over a decade—and started beating on each other. On June 20, after a throwing error from Jeter to Rodriguez handed the Yankees a 5-4 loss to the last-place Tampa Bay Devil Rays, a TV producer says the sluggers came to blows in the clubhouse.
    “I was doing an interview in the locker room and saw them go at it,” says the source. “A-Rod walked past Jeter’s locker and mumbled something about his throw, then Jeter told him to go fuck himself and all hell broke lose. Their teammates were pulling them away from each other.”
    Tensions between the two have been brewing since Rodriguez dissed Jeter in a 2001 Esquire interview. As a result, we hear, Jeter, the Gold Glove-winning team captain, never wanted his ex-pal on the team in the first place—but Yankees boss George Steinbrenner didn’t listen.
    “Now you have guys like Bernie Williams who remember winning the World Series taking Jeter’s side, and then you have the trades, like Tony Womack, taking A-Rod’s side,” says a ballclub insider. “What you have is a team that’s split, and you can’t win baseball games like that.” Yankees spokesman Rick Cerrone called the fight an “absolute fantasy,” and denied any rift between the players, claiming “there are no lines drawn in the clubhouse.” Not since Darryl Strawberry anyway.

    mattymatty June 30, 2005, 12:14 pm
  • re: Sheff and charity work. If you search the web you’ll find our man has done his share of good deeds:
    From this link:
    “Gary Sheffield Was the recipient of the 2004 Thurman Munson Award which recognizes excellence on the field and philanthropic efforts off the field…received the award at the 25th Annual Thurman Munson Awards Dinner on 2/1/05 to benefit the Association for the help of Retarded Children…also received the 2003 Outstanding Professional Award presented by the Tampa Sports Club to the pro athlete who has most distinguished himself/ herself in a particular sport while being a local resident or playing one year locally as an amateur…wife DeLeon is a gospel recording artist and sang the national anthem at Yankee Stadium prior to Game One of the 2004 American League Division Series vs. Minnesota on 10/5/04 and again before Game Seven of the American League Championship Series vs. Boston on 10/20/04…DeLeon also sang the National Anthem at Dodger Stadium on 7/28/99 financial supporter of Reviving Baseball in Innercities (R.B.I.) program…founded the Gary Sheffield Foundation in 1997, which provides children with an environment for personal, professional and spiritual growth…is the nephew of Dwight Gooden…graduated from Hillsborough High School in Tampa, FL…earned All-State honors in baseball during his senior year and was selected the top high school player in the nation by Gatorade…hit .500, averaged one home run every 4 at-bats and did not strike out once in 62 atbats during his senior season…also posted a 6-3 record with a 1.31 ERA as a pitcher…led his Belmont Heights team to the 1980 Little League World Series…originally signed by Dan Duquette and Jim Gabella.”
    I guess he doesn’t trumpet his virtues quite as loudly as the future Republican congressman from Pennsylvania.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:25 pm
  • “is the nephew of Doc Gooden” qualifies as a “good deed”?

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:28 pm
  • Actually, Nick, the reason Sheff doesn’t toot his foundation’s horn is because it no longer exists. It hasn’t for almost 4 years.

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:30 pm
  • lol
    SF, evade all you like. He’s contributed money to a worthy organization (one which I worked for in past summers) RBI, he’s started a foundation to help children, and he’s done work that supported mentally challenged children. And yes, I think it does count as charity dealing with all the crap Doc presents to his relatives.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:32 pm
  • got the Thurman Munson Award in 2004. Now you’re nitpicking.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:33 pm
  • this is a high-level debate by the way.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:34 pm
  • Yes, what Sheff said was unprofessional. But if it helps keep him in pinstripes, I have to say that I’m glad he said it.
    YF is exactly right. Sheff has played hard, played hurt, and played brilliantly. And while he didn’t get a no-trade clause, it is clear that his recruitment was very personal and not solely about money, which makes his sense of betrayal rather understandable. (See Finally, what he said about Ichiro was not very polite, but the fact is that Ichiro, while a great player, is highly overrated, so I can’t fault Sheff for challenging the conventional wisdom.

    Fred Vincy June 30, 2005, 12:38 pm
  • in some ways. Sheff is providing analysis that is positively sabermetric in character. Might he consult the Sox after he retires? Probably will devote himself to re-opening that foundation of his instead.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:44 pm
  • What BETRAYAL????? This is the biggest joke of all! The Mets approached the Yankees, the Yankees said NO THANKS, UNCONDITIONALLY. How can Sheffield feel “betrayed” by this?

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:50 pm
  • How many “great players” are also “highly overrated”? That seems like an inherent contradiction and a pretty difficult simultaneity.
    More importantly (and quite seriously) on what basis do you quantify Ichiro as “overrated”? The comments made by Sheffield on this subject weren’t just impolite, they were petty.

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:54 pm
  • Come on, SF, you live in NYC. You think the way it was first presented to him by the media clarified who approached whom? The fact is that Sheff was/is probably being shopped given the numbers of rumors involving him (first Cubs, then the Mets, then Marlins). You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 12:54 pm
  • Jeez, if that’s true, Nick, then what Sheff did should be, to Yankees fans, totally inexcusable. Doesn’t it gall you at all to think that Sheff has sabotaged any effort to improve the Yankees?

    SF June 30, 2005, 12:59 pm
  • The thing is that Sheff understands better than Yankee brass that trading him will only hurt the team. Again, he has a future as a Red Sox consultant. Smart guy.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 1:03 pm
  • Has anyone noticed where Luis stands when Sheff’s at bat? And Luis was no slouch at 3B when he played.

    john yf June 30, 2005, 1:22 pm
  • “Trading him will hurt the team”. That’s true. I agree! But it’s true only because the Yankees front office is so incompetent they would botch any deal involving Sheffield.

    SF June 30, 2005, 1:26 pm
  • No argument there. I already said that if Sheff is traded I stop defending Cashman.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 1:32 pm
  • Yankees fans have now reached a new low! Sojo was “no slouch”. Luis Sojo, who had a career .951 fielding percentage at 3rd base, was “no slouch”! The Yankee hagiography is now complete!!!!

    SF June 30, 2005, 1:34 pm
  • What if Sheffield + Duncan + something got you, say, Carlos Zambrano + Corey Patterson from the Cubs? Not having any option with Sheff is a bad spot to be in, bottom line. I think any front office, Yanks or otherwise, wants flexibility, regardless of the people involved. Sheff destroyed that for them. That shouldn’t make you happy, at least conceptually.

    SF June 30, 2005, 1:38 pm
  • An overweight number 3 and an out-machine for an MVP candidate and our “top prospect?” Pass.

    YF June 30, 2005, 2:12 pm
  • SF, a completely reasonable point you make. I understand the “conceptual” conundrum Sheff puts the Yanks in when he mouths off like this, but, this probably points to a very immature streak in me (imagine that! I’ve spent the day posting about baseball), I root for players before management. Sheffield is my favorite player. His comments do not irk me because they show an intense loyalty to New York. Unlike a lot of players, he embraces the challenge of playing in NY. And conceptualism aside, the reality is that his refusal to leave actually helps the team.

    Nick June 30, 2005, 2:12 pm
  • Trickle down improvement, YF. Improve the staff, improve the D, and all will be well, right? I think you said it here first.

    SF June 30, 2005, 2:17 pm
  • Right idea, wrong way to go about it.

    YF June 30, 2005, 3:02 pm
  • 1) Looie was a shortstop.
    2) Don’t you understand New England understatement?

    john yf June 30, 2005, 10:02 pm
  • YF is right. The only ones “outraged” by this are Sox fans.
    You’re spending so much time watching Yankee games and following Yankee news, when do y’all get time to watch the Sox?

    john yf June 30, 2005, 10:08 pm
  • SF,
    Re: Ichiro being overrated. How else do you explain his winning an MVP and consistently leading all All Star vote getters. If I recall correctly, Baseball Prospectus suggested he was about the 30th best player in baseball the year he won the MVP.
    Re: Betrayal. The premise of Sheff’s comments was that the Yanks had seriously entertained the discussion. If he had been asked, “I hear the Mets asked about you and the Yankees said ‘Go jump in the lake'”, I suspect his response would have been a little different….

    Fred Vincy July 1, 2005, 9:58 am

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