A screen capture from Nike.com, this morning. I like our chances, at least in Nike’s universe.
I think it’s a sign.
PS: What’s up with the distressed type?
Time for a new webmaster
You mean a Cubs fan? I don’t think we could handle that much depression. Since the Sox won in ’04 the Cubs are now the world’s saddest baseball franchise.
By the way, I heard a rumour that Beckett might start tomorrow on short rest if Wakefield isn’t 100%. This would also allow him to pitch Game 7 on normal rest if necessary. If Daisuke struggles tonight and we go down 1-2 in the series, do we give the ball to Beckett early? It would also mean Schilling could pitch Game 5 on normal rest.
If we have to burn Lester tonight to cover Dice-K after one of his typical big inning meltdowns, I’m almost sure we will see Beckett in Game 4. There will be no long relief left to back up Wake if he struggles.
Does anyone know why Tavarez was left off the ALCS roster? I would trade Gagne for him in a heartbeat.
there were 6 million reasons for Gagne to be on the roster, pure payroll move, not based on performance… as for that add, Cleveland is feeding off of this “Boston Red Sox” bias thing which has been perpetrated by the sports media and yes, some of the red sox fans… this series is up for grabs, however if Dice K shows up as an ace tonight I love our chances. Gotta play the games
The only way we can replace someone on the ALCS roster is if they’re injured. Someone should see to it that Gagne has an “accident” so we can put Tavarez or Snyder in there. Like you said Pocono, I’ll take either of them over Gagne without hesitation.
Plus Tavarez could bean a few people if we’re getting our asses handed to us at any point in the series.
p.s. I don’t think Beckett on a shortleash is a viable option, additionally I think Wakefield could do very well against the indians who have shown their weakness against off speed pitches.
that should read Beckett on short rest…
Why isn’t Beckett a viable option on short rest? He only threw 80 pitches in Game 1, he pitched Game 6 of the 2003 World Series on short rest, and having him pitch Game 4 means he would pitch Game 7 on normal rest.
And keep in mind Wakefield has been injured, and hasn’t pitched since mid September. So which is better–Beckett on short rest, or an injured Wakefield?
Like Pocono said, I think if Daisuke exits early and Lester gets some long relief, we’ll HAVE to send Beckett out for Game 4. We won’t have any long relief left.
Beckett should absolutely be an option tomorrow. Is Wakefield at 90-95% as good a pitcher as Beckett on short rest? I don’t think so.
Wakefield has stunk the last month, utterly horrible. Cleveland is a fine hitting team. Recipe for disaster.
Beckett has shown he can pitch on short rest, under pressure. One could argue that Beckett should go tomorrow even if the Sox are up 2-1.
You make very valid arguments, but all signs point to Wakefield pitching game 4. If they do pitch Beckett it may be a panic move which would have possible repercussions on the team, perhaps that’s why they won’t do it. But you both have points, perhaps short rest Beckett is a better option than a rested Wakefield. If they lose tonight, the temptation will certainly be stronger.
Francona has said pretty emphatically that Wakefield will pitch Game 4. He could of course change his mind.
So now my big question now is: If we get Shaky Wakes early, who steps in to pitch 3-4 innings of middle relief?
If they do pitch Beckett it may be a panic move
Beckett pitching Game 4 means he gets to pitch Game 7 on normal rest. How is setting the rotation up this way a panic move? I think Beckett getting two more starts (if it comes down to a Game 7) gives the Red Sox the best chance to win, especially since he only threw 80 pitches in Game 1.
Not to mention the risk of Wakefield exiting early, requiring us to empty our bullpen. Watching Beckett pitch this season has been an absolute pleasure, so seeing him get an extra game in this series would make me smile.
Hudson, if we get Shakey Wakey it’s definitely Lester who provides long relief. The only other two guys who are good for that–Tavarez and Snyder–aren’t on the ALCS roster.
Atheose, I’m laughing nervously at that comment… can Gagne have an “Accident” somehow alowing Snyder or Tavarez to come in?
“There is a slight difference when you go into a visiting ballpark, having won the last game or lost the last game,” Matsuzaka said during a press conference on Saturday at Jacobs Field. “So I feel that, in that sense, maybe I have a bigger responsibility tomorrow, but I hope to use that as a source of strength.” -Daisuke Matsuzaka
If Daisuke exits early I think it’s a certainty that Beckett pitches Game 4. The more and more I think about it the less I like the thought of our bullpen having to deal with two short outings in a row, on back-to-back days. Wakefield in Game 4 does not give us the best option to win.
The reason I said “may be” a panic move is because I think there are two sides to the pitching Beckett on short rest argument. Francona has alluded to the notion that putting Beckett out there in game 4 would be more of a gut/emotional move and implicitly may help win a game, not the series etc… on the other hand, Josh has indeed been a gem this season and off season and I wonder if they lose tonight and Josh goes into Francona’s office asking to pitch whether Terry could turn him down. Personally, if they win tonight I wouldn’t pitch him… if they lose, then yeah I beginning to see your point and I wouldn’t be frusturated whether they decide to pitch him or not
Ed, I would LOVE to see Gagne have an accident. He’s proven that he’s useless to us, and we need Tavarez or Snyder for the long relief. If Lester is used up tonight for long relief, it puts us in the shitty situation of having to deal with Wakefield whether he brings his A game or his B game.
And we all know that when Wakefield is bad, he’s REALLY bad. And if he’s really bad tomorrow night, we might just have to grit our teeth and take it like a man.
We need a new thread devoted to this topic!
Hard to say why Beckett should pitch Game 4. The series is no better than 2-1 in either direction at that point. Had the Sox been up or down 3-0, I’d say differently.
Also, Beckett left the game early because he felt tight, not because he was being rested. Not sure throwing another 80 high-stress innings on short rest would be productive, either for Game 4 OR Game 7.
At any rate, the Sox have a maximum of five games left. Four of those five games will feature Westbrook (Games 3, 7), Byrd (Game 4) and Beckett (Game 5) as the starters. The Sox need to only win three.
I like our chances.
The more I dwell on it, the more I really think tonight’s the key game in this series. If we win tonight we have the luxury of rolling the dice with wakefield or even perhaps going for a 1-2 blow with Beckett, and we get to shut up the indian fanbase (which is surprisingly become cocky and is reveling in the “homegrown underdog” suit tailored by the media), for a night, and we would lock a trip back to boston which has huge, i think, physchological ramifications. Then again, baseball is a wild sport, the red sox won the final two games in ny in 2004, perhaps playing at the Jake is just what they need
Hmm, good point Paul. Though let’s not make the same mistake the Yankees did by underestimating Byrd.
I know Beckett was pulled because he was feeling tight, but throwing only 80 pitches means he’ll be less fatigued than he otherwise would be. Assuming the tightness is nothing serious (knock on wood) that helps offset the less rest.
I like our chances too Paul, but what happens if Daisuke shits the bed tonight? We only have one arm suited for long relief (Lester) and having a mediocre Wakefield on the mound tomorrow night leaves our pitching staff f*cked.
I still believe that if Daisuke exits early tonight then Beckett in Game 4 is a likely option.
Oh, Daisuke’s going 8 innings tonight, so all this is moot. I’m feeling very confident about him today for some reason. 1 earned run, or none.
You might be right on that, Atheose, just because Francona will have no options if Wakefield starts doing badly.
Also, why does everyone act as though Byrd pitched well? He gave up hits, and he gave up walks, and the Yankee offense let him off the hook. The Yankees let Sabathia and Byrd off the hook, and were shut down by Carmona and Perez. So far, the Sox lit up Sabathia, Carmona AND Perez. If Byrd pitches like he did against New York, the Sox should (should win that game, even if Wakefield struggles a bit.
Tonight is the key, for sure. If Daisuke can give us six and hold it to three runs or less, the Sox should, again, win this game.
I like that optimism, Devine! Nothing would make me happier than seeing Daisuke go a strong 8. Hell, 7 would be fine by me.
Paul, it’s not how well Byrd pitched that worries me–it’s the hype buildup. Everyone in the world said that the Yankees would destroy Byrd, and then they didn’t. You’re exactly right that the Yankees let him off the hook, which is what I’m hoping the Sox don’t do. I don’t want to go into that game with everyone thinking “This is a guaranteed win, we’re going to score 10 runs in the first inning. It’s just asking to get shut down.
Plus, the fact that Byrd didn’t give up 234,098 runs to the Yankees is amazing.
I’d love to see that ERA…
Speaking of ERAs, Wang’s was over 19.00 for the ALDS. Glorious. God I love Beckett.
I would like to use my “Bye Bye Byrdie” taunt tommorow night… I like the optomism Devine, i’m going to run with that tonight!
Could someone club me over the head or slip a mickey into my lunchtime coffee, so that I black out for the next 5 hours, 30 minutes?
The waiting for the game to start is intolerable. Time has slowed to a crawl…
I know what you mean Hudson, this has not been a productive work day
Hudson, done and done.
Hudson! Holy shit I thought I was the only one. Time crawls on game day.
The worst part is that it’s a very slow day here at work. When I’m busy time seems to go by fast.
Is anyone other than me considering muting the t.v. and having the radio play with Castiglione?
5 and a half hours? Try waiting several months! No sympathy here.
“I would LOVE to see Gagne have an accident”
You guys are starting to scare me.
That game was thrilling to watch for someone who – though certainly not neutral – had no dog in the fight. Shocked at Mastny’s effectiveness vs. Boston’s 3-4-5…and suspect if he tries to do that again, he will get crushed.
Can’t bring myself to wish you all good luck tonight but I hope it’s another nail-biter. I’ll be on a plane overseas watching replays on my computer when I arrive tomorrow.
I have to think MLB, ESPN, Fox, etc. are praying for a RS series win. Somehow Cleveland-Colorado (or Arizona) does not get the blood pumping – and neither the cash registers I assume.
Enjoy the game – wish it was against us…
Agreeing with Paul et al. that Byrd’s pitching was mediocre at best, though TBS tried to make it sound as if he had a Beckett-like outing.
Ed, that’s not a bad idea. When my roommate and I are good and drunk–usually by the 7th inning–we’ll mute the TV and do our own goofy broadcasting. It gets fun when they do face shots of Buck and McCarver.
McCarver: “I’m a giant tool!”
Buck: “Right you are, Tim. My voice is like marshmellows and peanutbutter!”
IronHorse — Clearly, Rox v. Sox is the matchup that means the highest ratings at this point, given who’s left competing.
As a Sox fan, it would be weird, though — since the Rockies’ storyline would make them the likely national viewer favorite, unlike 2004…
Getting ahead of selves here, though… And I’m busy slamming my head against a fire hydrant to knock myself out for a few hours…
Fair enough, Nick…but you do remember what we had to endure last year, right? Yes, I’m sure you do, since it was such a damn pleasant August for y’all…
and think of the ads for the DVDs afterwards: “Rox vs Sox on Fox in a Box”!
Although as Steve Lombardi points out: “Cleveland Rocks” would be the series name for the other alternative
I will not eat them in a house, I will not eat them with a mouse! I will not eat green eggs and ham!
> Speaking of ERAs, Wang’s was over 19.00 for the ALDS. Glorious. God I love Beckett.
Speaking of peanuts, some people are deathly allergic. Creepy. God I love vanilla.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound antagonistic. When we were talking about Byrd’s game I looked up the box score to get some details, and Wang’s ERA jumped out on the page.
Speaking of ERA’s…Lopez = 27.00, Lester = 27.00 and Gagne = 11.57.
Sorry I didn’t mean to sound antagonistic.
You had to know that was coming…
No worries, Atheose, it’s me. I am in a bitter mood since the Sox are in it, while all I get to read about is how Joe Torre should be fired for conspiring with the Chinese government to hide anti-gravity beams under the plate to repel the “sink” in Wang’s sinker in a conspiracy to publicly embarass and humiliate the people of Taiwan.
Wow, Gagne looks like the catch out of that trio! I knew he would work out for us eventually!
AG, I am with you. I normally stop watching baseball once/if the Yankees are eliminated, but I was forced into watching game #1. I took my wife out for her birthday and in a cruel cruel turn of events our table was facing a 50 plus inch TV that of course had on the Sox. My wife could only laugh, she of course thought it was funny. My food tasted like losing and I enjoyed not a bite.
actually, pretty plausible conspiracy there.
another one I’ve operated under is that Kyle Farnsworth was given those glasses by Theo Epstein. The thing is that those glasses have nudie pictures on the inside of the lenses and Kyle is distracted by the nakedness of all things so that when he pitches and he has those glasses on…
In watching the 11th in game 2, I had a definite feeling of resignation wash over me. The batters had squandered chances to send everyone home, and when they didn’t, even though we were just three outs away from getting another chance, something just didn’t feel right. It was one of those innings wherein the opposing batters were just not to be denied. Watching it unfold, I got the impression that Cleveland could have sent out Craig Ehlo and he could have gotten a base hit for them. Or conversely, the Sox could have sent out Mighty Thor himself and Franklin Gutierrez (!) would still have hit that bomb. Just one of those things, I guess, or so it looked to me.
During tonight’s NLCS game, how many times will we have to hear some variation of: “Only one major league team has ever come back from an 0-3 deficit”. Drink up!
Ron, I watched last night’s Snakes/Rox game (while watching the end of Boise St. 69 Nevada 67 in 4 OT?!?!) with a Cubs fan friend of mine at his bar. We had a beer, felt insufferably sorry for ourselves and dejectedly discussed trade ideas for our respective rosters for next season. How disgustingly depressing. I explained the Caray drinking game. Of course, at the end of the baseball game, the fact you mentioned showed up, and of course the Sox were named as the only team to pull it off, yet Caray inexplicably, amazingly, Asdrubingly did not mention whom they pulled it off against, saving me from having to buy my buddy a new television.
a 69-67 football game? that’s unreal
I’m actually kind of enjoying the baseball blackout I’ve imposed on myself since early yesterday morning. I figure there’s nothing the papers/ESPN can tell me that i don’t already know or disagree with. Might as well just sit tight for 6 p.m.
> a 69-67 football game? that’s unreal
After Nevada failed to convert the mandatory 2-point conversion, ending the game, my friend with the line of the night: “F*ck. I just lost my shirt. Took the over at 137.”
In a game like that, do the defensive coordinators actually even pretend they’re coaching?
Well, in fairness to the DCs, the score was “only”, 44-44 in regulation. Being a University of Hawai’i fan, I’m very familiar with this brand of WAC football. The SEC it is not.
Pssh. Y’all ain’t seen nothin’ ’til you’ve watched six-man football in Texas (that was my best accent for you, by the way).
Ira 111, Knox City 66. Game shortened by 45-point mercy rule.
Comparing the postseason ERA to a rotation ace who had two starts to that of journeyman relievers (yes, Gagne’s in that category now) who have faced between 2-8 batters each is a little distorted.
Indeed, all postseason stats suffer from ridiculously small sample size problems that render them almost meaningless.
Except for A-Rod. ;^))
That said, the Sox non-elite pen members crapped the cradle the other night, no question.
P.S. … 210… more… minutes… need… water … baseball…
That said, the Sox non-elite pen members crapped the cradle the other night, no question.
Seven run implosions notwithstanding, when your staff gets you through innings 7,8,9, and 10 scorelessly, the pitching staff cannot be blamed. Except for the starter who gave up 5 in 4.2.
The game 2 loss was just baseball, to me it wasn’t really too deeply deconstruction-worthy. Schilling stunk, Tito managed very well in order to give the bats a chance to win it in the last five innings, but the bats didn’t come through, though there was a little bad luck (Coco’s blast, Youk’s sinking liner that didn’t sink enough). When the A-list bullpen was exhausted, the B-listers didn’t pitch like A-listers, more like D-listers. Them’s the breaks. Not too confusing. It isn’t too much to expect that a team like the Sox could get one run between innings 6 and 10, which is all it would have taken to win the game. When you don’t do that, you run the (very big risk) of losing to a team that itself only needs one run to win the game, and that’s what happened. Forget the seven runs, Cleveland only needed one. What can you do about it, frankly?
(Win game three is what you can do!!!! SO GO SOX!!!)
Maybe Coco will put on a hitting clinic being at his old home field. I can dream can’t I?
It’s also Manny’s old home field, forget ye not.
People would be a lot less upset if it had just been a 7-6 extra-inning loss, caused by one unfortunate pitch that just happened to be lined out of the park.
It’s also Manny’s old home field, forget ye not.
Yeah, but Manny is in his own world right now. The Indians could have 6 infielders and 5 outfielders and he’d still bat .400
Just in, via the AP:
“Joel Pineiro agreed to a $13 million, two-year contract with St. Louis on Monday after pitching well for the Cardinals down the stretch.”
Wow. $6.5M a year. Pineiro sure resurrected that career, didn’t he? He needs to send Theo a finder’s fee of 10 percent for sending him to the National League.
Paul, the Mets should get a percentage as well.
i’d take Pineiro in the pen over Gagne right about now
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