To the Rescue! Tigers-Sox Gamer IV

I've given this Red Sox losing streak a lot of thought. Sometimes the Sox have pitched well and not hit. Other times, they hit well enough, but their pitching or bullpen let them down. There hasn't really been a single consistent theme. Except one.

I haven't done the gamer for any of them.

In five of the losses, the gamers have featured what should now be referred to as the scariest letters in baseball: SF.

Never fear, Red Sox fans. I return, hat in hands, begging your forgiveness for neglecting my duties and imperiling our beloved team's season. We'll turn things around tonight. Don't worry about that pitching matchup; we've got the most beautiful name in the world at the bottom of this game thread.

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  • You know, it would be nice if you fully disclosed the fact that I proactively sought out your services for this gamer, that I had enough self-recognition to see what I was perpetrating.

    SF August 10, 2009, 6:11 pm
  • And thus began the infighting amongst the Sox faithful… ;)

    nettles August 10, 2009, 6:26 pm
  • In Paul we trust! We appreciate you stepping down, SF. It’s for the best.
    Btw, Alex Rios sent to the White Sox for nothing in return. Wow.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:01 pm
  • YF mods are slacking…

    krueg August 10, 2009, 7:10 pm
  • MEE-tre K’s the first two batters???? Really???

    krueg August 10, 2009, 7:15 pm
  • Alex Rios has nearly $70M left on his contract, Ath, I think.
    krueg: the Yankee mods are playing the game we played earlier when Nick sent the Sox on a streak – I am no longer posting Yankee threads in their absence, it does no good for the Sox. Join us in here if you want. I will email the lazy YF mods to get their asses in gear.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:17 pm
  • Sox-Tigers on ESPN in HD, so my little 13″ screen gets devote to the gamer, and no MLB.com game lag. Nice.
    Penny looking just a little off. Or for him is that “on”?

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:18 pm
  • Penny nowhere close with a curveball to Guillen, two men on. Sit fastball, Guillen, if you have a brain.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:18 pm
  • Penny gets squeezed on the 2-1. Bad call by the ump.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:20 pm
  • Good job by Penny to get Guillen on the can of corn to Bay. Come on, offense!!!

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:21 pm
  • Crap. Why didn’t WE get to face Mitre?

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 7:22 pm
  • Edwin Jackson having a really nice year.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:23 pm
  • Is it me or does it feel like the Sox have been away from Fenway for like a month?
    Ells!!! Leadoff “double”, Thames may have turned a catch into a hit, played it very poorly. I rule that an error if I am scoring.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:24 pm
  • Sox have played 58 road games, 52 home games. So 29 left at home, 23 on the road.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:25 pm
  • DUSTY!!!
    Home cooking!!!

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:28 pm
  • HEY! 2-0! Where were these goddamn runs over the weekend? Jackson is one of the best pitchers in the league this year, and we get ahead on him?

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:28 pm
  • see. they’re not dead!

    sf rod August 10, 2009, 7:29 pm
  • I think this is Hershiser doing color? No matter, whoever is in the booth just made a brilliant observation about Jackson throwing his slider at 3-2, why it was a great pitch to throw, and why he should throw it again. Then Jackson throws a fastball and it goes over the monster.
    Really, great analysis from ESPN. It was NOT Steve Phillips, who I think is also in the booth.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:29 pm
  • Martinez rips one to Thames. Bad luck BABIP!

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:30 pm
  • SF, it’s Orel alright. He’s actually better than most. And yeah, Phillips is in there too.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:30 pm
  • ESPN: Schulman and Hershiser. YAY!
    And Philips. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 7:30 pm
  • It was a great comment by Hershiser, reinforced by the Pedroia home run.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:31 pm
  • Youk RIPS one for a wall single. Crushed. But hit too hard.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:31 pm
  • Ath, WhSox didn’t exactly add Rios for nothing. They added that hefty backloaded contract, which Reinsdorf can’t really afford. His package and Peavy’s deal are VERY heavily backloaded, expansive and LONG.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 7:33 pm
  • Papi with the hitter’s count, hits a popup. DROP HIM IN THE LINEUP TITO.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:34 pm
  • Drew KILLS one over Jackson. The Sox are really hitting Jackson. Except for Papi, of course.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:35 pm
  • I don’t like ESPN’s stats that constantly update after each pitch to tell us what a player’s average is on a certain count. It depresses me. Bay is .176 with a 2-1 count, inexplicable. Too much information. I don’t want to know this.
    Bay walks, all filled.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:37 pm
  • Kotchman hits a liner, right at Polanco. That was two runs, but the Sox hit the ball really well and it could have been 5 or 6. Fucking BABIP.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:40 pm
  • Only the Red Sox could get 2 in the first and leave you with that empty feeling.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 7:43 pm
  • Penny immediately in trouble. Sack of shit.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:43 pm
  • I like those stats SF, but it’s really depressing when it reveals certain aspects of your own team. Like that Bay piece. How the f*ck is he hitting that low in a hitter’s count?

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:44 pm
  • Just bad luck, IBM. They crushed the ball (except for Papi, that is). It wasn’t a standard K/GIDP squander.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:44 pm
  • The Sox need to score six or seven tonight.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:45 pm
  • Does Penny’s fastball have even an inch of movement? It looks dead straight.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:45 pm
  • Sox benefit from a little luck, a scorched ball right at Pedroia, and a near double play at second. Super slow replay shows that it was a double play, incorrectly called. That offsets the good luck of the hit vector, and it could cost the Sox runs. Come on, ump.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:49 pm
  • Close play, wow. Get the batter out and move on fellas.
    Orel really does have some great insight. He talks a lot, like Morgan or Phillips, but his commentary really has some substance to it.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:50 pm
  • Yes, Ath, it’s odd to actually WANT to hear what a guy on ESPN is going to say.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:53 pm
  • Steve Phillips won’t shut up.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:55 pm
  • Nick Green! It feels fantastic to be back in Fenway. 3-0.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:55 pm
  • Nick Green. WTF?!!!
    BOMBS one over the Monster. Crushed.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:55 pm
  • What the hell is Nick Green doing hitting homers?

    Rob SF August 10, 2009, 7:56 pm
  • There’s only one logical explanation: Nick Green is on steroids.
    Steve Phillips is obviously intimidated by Orel, and is making up for his lack of quality comments with a higher quantity.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:57 pm
  • Ellsbury hitting .349 after a 1-2 count, Bay is hitting .176 after a 2-1 count. So weird.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:57 pm
  • Ellsbury ropes one for a single. Leyland needs to rescue Jackson. This is BP.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:58 pm
  • Phillips just spoke a 233 word sentence.

    SF August 10, 2009, 7:59 pm
  • LMAO, Orel with a subtle shot at Phillips by mentioning Kazmir. Sure Phillips didn’t really trade him, but most people think he did, so the shot is still valid.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 7:59 pm
  • Ellsbury steals second.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:01 pm
  • Ellsbury steals 2nd, and the throw gets by the pitcher. That fastball hit the fricken plate.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:01 pm
  • Pedroia whiffs on a bad pitch, swing. Grrr.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:01 pm
  • Err, the throw gets by the catcher.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:01 pm
  • VMart after a 3-0 count: 4 for 6, 2 homers.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:03 pm
  • Of course I jinxed him, and he K’s.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:04 pm
  • Whiff.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:05 pm
  • More AWFUL luck (and athleticism from the Tigers). Polanco dives and keeps a liner from Youk in the infield, saving a run. It should be like 7-0 right now. Fucking luck.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:06 pm
  • Good hold by Hale.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:06 pm
  • Ortiz drives another in… and then gets picked off first. Shit.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:08 pm
  • Papi! Rips one through the shift. Ellsbury scores, but then Papi makes a really STUPID mistake and is caught off first for the final out, killing a chance at a huge lead.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:08 pm
  • Well turned DP by Youk and Pedro. To the bottom of the third.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:13 pm
  • youk submarined that throw to start the twin killing. knuckle scraper.

    sf rod August 10, 2009, 8:17 pm
  • Jason Bay’s agent not happy right now.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:17 pm
  • Kotchman safe on fielder’s confusion. Inge makes a nice stab then can’t make a throw, he was really off-balance running towards the 3B bag.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:20 pm
  • I would say something bad about Nick Green here, but it doesn’t seem fair considering his earlier dinger.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:21 pm
  • kotchman feels like a young sean casey, minus the good guy appeal and a little more power.

    sf rod August 10, 2009, 8:21 pm
  • Green quickly down on three pitches. That was more like it.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:22 pm
  • quality AB by green there.

    sf rod August 10, 2009, 8:23 pm
  • 80 pitches through 2.2 for Jackson.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:23 pm
  • Just dropping by to commemorate the occasion of the Sox (except Papi and Drew) getting back in the swing of things.
    Jays tied in NY, too. Also, my favorite quote in the Rios article was this: “Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi said the move was not ‘a financial dump,’ but acknowledged that Toronto needs ‘more financial flexibility.’” Ricciardi has been even worse for Billy Beane’s reputation than this year’s A’s roster.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 8:24 pm
  • Make that 86 pitches. Ellsbury hits a medium liner that hangs up, to RF. More wasted runners.
    Sox with 9 hits and 2 walks in 3 innings. 6 LOBs and a guy caught off base. The offense is alive, but a combination of bad baserunning and bad luck has kept the Tigers in reach, and with Penny pitching 4 is unlikely to be enough.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:27 pm
  • Penny hits Cabrera with his first pitch. What a stupid thing to do with a four run lead.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:28 pm
  • Hey look, Penny hits Miguel Cabrera on the first pitch. My friend (a Tiger’s fan) says they have a history against each other from when they were both in the NL. Interesting.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:29 pm
  • they were both marlins together.

    sf rod August 10, 2009, 8:30 pm
  • Penny gets squeezed at 1-2 on Guillen. Same pitch that was called a strike on Ellsbury last inning.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:31 pm
  • Then the deep fly to Jacoby. One down.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:31 pm
  • For less than a season, rod. Supposedly they’ve never gotten along, though I don’t have any evidence other than a Tiger’s fan’s comment.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:32 pm
  • Drew wtf. Ball had some spin on it, skips away from Drew (who played it lazily), and now the runner is on 3rd.
    Shit.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:33 pm
  • Alright, I can’t watch Penny pitch. Especially not today. Talk to you all later.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 8:34 pm
  • Cruddy play by Drew. Costs a base, and perhaps a run.
    Penny stinks, though, hitting Cabrera was pathetic.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:35 pm
  • Oh, and then Penny gets ahead 0-2 to Inge, and gives up a single. 4-2.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:36 pm
  • Jesus, Cano w/homers tonight. Think they got curtain calls?

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 8:37 pm
  • Weak grounder. Two down.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:37 pm
  • Think they got curtain calls?
    You know, I used to harp on the curtain calls, but have finally realized that every fan group needs its own retarded, devalued tradition, and have decided to leave it alone.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:38 pm
  • Another shitty piece of luck/good defensive play, as Pedro lashes one down the line, and Inge makes a heck of a play. Jackson is a fucking lucky motherfucker.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:44 pm
  • Youkilis hit by the retribution HBP.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:47 pm
  • Retaliation. Does anyone get plunked more than Yooks?

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 8:47 pm
  • There’s retaliation for Cabrera – a fastball into Youk’s side with two outs.
    There must be something there, as Ath said, and Cabrera must have said something to Jackson. Because why would Penny hit a guy leadoff leading to a pair of runs other than because he’s a shitty pitcher?
    And another rip, right to someone. This game sucks ass, and we’re winning. Can see where this one is going already.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:48 pm
  • “every fan group needs its own retarded, devalued tradition”
    Well put, my friend.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 8:49 pm
  • Hey look, Bay misplays a ball over the monster too. How are we winning this game?

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 8:53 pm
  • Granderson leadoff double. This game has that “we should have had eight runs early but didn’t cash in and now we’re behind 7-4″ feeling.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:53 pm
  • Green had Granderson RIGHT in front of him, but throws to first. Was Youk not at the bag? That throw should have gone to third.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:54 pm
  • And it’s 4-3 on the sac fly. Penny has pitched exactly to expectations, right around his season ERA at the moment. We need seven runs.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:55 pm
  • Hershiser catching a little Phillips-itis there, saying that this comeback by the Tigers “shows they WANT that AL Central title”. I mean, that’s just a moronic comment.

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:56 pm
  • Obervay homers. 5-4.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 8:58 pm
  • Penny through 5 innings, 3 ER. Not awful, not great. It stings because he had a four run lead that has dwindled, but this is on the bats right now (and BABIP, a lot of bad luck so far).

    SF August 10, 2009, 8:58 pm
  • Ni! We are the knights who say “Ni!”

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:01 pm
  • 7 LOBs, 3-for-8 RISP.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:02 pm
  • Orel owning Phillips in an argument about what players should focus on.
    And Jason Bay hits a homer into the monster. Oh yeah.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 9:04 pm
  • Fu-Te You!

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:04 pm
  • SF, that’s exactly what I thought of when I saw Ni enter the game!

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 9:05 pm
  • If ESPN insists on having a former GM as an analyst, they could get the same crappy insight from Hawk Harrelson for a lot less $.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:07 pm
  • Phillips counters by asserting that Orel got picked on as a child because of his first name.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 9:07 pm
  • IBM, I’ll take a booth filled with three Steve Phillips before I’d listen to Harrelson.

    Atheose August 10, 2009, 9:09 pm
  • The Luis Tiant bio follows this game.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:09 pm
  • they could get the same crappy insight from Hawk Harrelson for a lot less $.
    Please don’t suggest this. Hawk Harrelson is the worst announcer I have ever heard, ever, and that includes Sterling and Kay, who Harrelson makes into Vin Scullys both by comparison.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:11 pm
  • “Hawk Harrelson is the worst announcer I have ever heard,”
    And you can put that on the board.
    Yes.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:14 pm
  • A couple of gifts for Penny on those two strikes.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:15 pm
  • I finally realized who Brad Penny looks like. Dave Puddy.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:17 pm
  • My preferred posttrade lineup:
    1B Kotchman
    3B Youkilis
    C Martinez
    DH Lowell

    And Penny gets us 6. Me likee.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:19 pm
  • Yeah, this was a good effort by Penny, all my insults aside. Does Tito send him out for the 7th?

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:21 pm
  • 93 pitches … I’m gonna say yes, but MDC will be warming.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:24 pm
  • Great job by Granderson to run that down. But he didn’t leave his feet so ESPN won’t give the catch a second thought.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:31 pm
  • This Ni guy is the slowest worker.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:32 pm
  • I understand the obvious reasons not to, but I’d seriously consider ph-ing Lowell here.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:35 pm
  • MDC is warming.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 9:35 pm
  • MDC in, promptly gets himself in a jam.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:40 pm
  • Oy, turned into the game again when I saw MDC was coming in, saw the first pitch, turned it off again.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 9:41 pm
  • 5-4 on the base hit by Polanco. MDC had him 0-2 and couldn’t put him away.
    Is this bullpen now faltering along with everything else? Two blown 8th inning leads last week, now teetering here in the 7th.
    This game shouldn’t even be close.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:49 pm
  • Uh, maybe our “hearts weren’t broken” last night, Orel, to paraphrase. Maybe it sucked. A lot. But it wasn’t “heartbreaking”. Manufactured drama.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:50 pm
  • Ahead of Thames now. Put him away, MDC, for fuck’s sake.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:51 pm
  • And there’s the game-tying double.
    This team can’t play any worse. Tons of missed offensive opportunities, bad BABIP luck, and shit relief pitching. What a tough stretch to watch. Just about nothing is going right.
    MDC wilts.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:53 pm
  • Tito comes out to get MDC, who should be pitching in blowouts and not much else.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:54 pm
  • *sigh* A good start by Penny, a good game by the offense… and the bullpen throws up.

    Paul SF August 10, 2009, 9:55 pm
  • Penny probably could have done this, right?

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:56 pm
  • “I don’t like this matchup. Guillen’s a clutch hit–”
    says Steve Phillips, unable to finish the sentence as the ball is popped up to Nick Green.

    SF August 10, 2009, 9:57 pm
  • Manny Delcarmen allows a .764 OPS in late/close situations, a .770 OPS when the game is within one run in either direction, and an .823 OPS when it’s within two runs. Before tonight’s failure.
    He allows a .532 OPS when the margin is greater than four runs.
    Why was he brought into this game again?

    Paul SF August 10, 2009, 10:00 pm
  • Drew singles. Sox have had 15 baserunners in 6+ innings, and five runs. The offense is still in hibernation, five runs and all.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:02 pm
  • Seriously, what the fuck is up with our SHIT LUCK. Bay just crushed one, to the absolute worst spot in the ballpark.
    I am about to throw my computer at the wall, this is so damn frustrating.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:03 pm
  • PH Lowell!?!? Who plays shortstop?

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:04 pm
  • Nope, Green stays in.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:05 pm
  • Actually, hitting Lowell is retarded, I take it back. He’s a GIDP candidate more than anyone on the team.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:05 pm
  • And there’s the sac fly. NIck Green, in line to be our PoTG, if things hold.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:06 pm
  • I figure Bay’s smash makes up for that lucky homer he got into the Monster seats. But yeah, sucks that he hits a homer in probably 29 ballparks that falls short in this one.
    At least we got the run in.

    Paul SF August 10, 2009, 10:07 pm
  • Nice play by Adam Everett to get Ells.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:07 pm
  • Ordonez, a zombie all year, alive today. Figures. Double off the wall.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:11 pm
  • Give us an out and bunt, Leyland.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:11 pm
  • Jesus fucking Christ, Inge HBP on the first pitch.
    What a joke this team is.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:12 pm
  • Ramirez goes to 2-0 on Laird.
    Laird bunts. One out. Men on 2/3.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:14 pm
  • Hopefully this is no worse than a tie, and then we have 2-3-4 coming up in the 8th.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:15 pm
  • Ramirez makes me nervous, lots of balls in the dirt.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:15 pm
  • And Everett Ks, pretty poor hitting right there.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:16 pm
  • Here comes Paps, for Granderson. Still in the lead.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:16 pm
  • Ugh, I hate being so nervous about Papelbon coming in. Don’t really have confidence in anyone on this team right now.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:17 pm
  • I have a vision of Granderson hitting a single at the exact same time some Yankee hits a walkoff HR. I need to believe it’s a new week.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:19 pm
  • Yes Paps!
    Phew.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:20 pm
  • Maybe this will be one of those good Mondays.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:21 pm
  • Yay, Pap!

    Devine August 10, 2009, 10:21 pm
  • Tor 5, NY 4, f.
    We can get a game.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 10:26 pm
  • Down go the Yanquis.

    Devine August 10, 2009, 10:26 pm
  • OK, be nice. Pretend we haven’t been talking about the YFs.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 10:27 pm
  • IBM: I were a YF, I’d point out that us SFs should probably be more concerned about the Rays leading the Angels than the Yankees losing to the Jays.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:30 pm
  • Well, maybe I just like it when the Yankees lose.

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 10:32 pm
  • One down.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:33 pm
  • IBM: if the Yankees even win the games that Mitre starts, all of baseball is doomed.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:34 pm
  • Two down, Thames whiffs.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:35 pm
  • Drew hauls it in, and we’ve won for the first time in a week. Nice.
    One game picked up from the top, a half on the Rays, so now GO ANGELS!
    Good work by Penny and Paps.

    SF August 10, 2009, 10:37 pm
  • Steve Phillips:
    “Miguel Cabrera is one of the best fastball hitters in the game.”
    Paps throw a fastball, shallow fly, third out.
    Thank you, Steve.

    Stay tuned for Looo-eee!

    I'mBillMcNeal August 10, 2009, 10:38 pm
  • Nice win. I hope the taste of victory inspires them.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:39 pm
  • Sweet! Papelbon has been good last couple outings, I think.

    Devine August 10, 2009, 10:39 pm
  • Also, getting the early runs off a good pitcher is very nice, and Bay contributing off injury is cool too.

    Devine August 10, 2009, 10:41 pm
  • And the Angels have take the lead, too.

    stuck working August 10, 2009, 10:50 pm
  • I fell asleep during the 6th inning, and woke up to see that we had won. Good times.

    Atheose August 11, 2009, 7:48 am

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