Update: Schilling’s ‘Screaming Pain’ … And He Speaks

The Boston Globe reports Schilling and the Red Sox have agreed he will not have surgery, but that he is likely to miss at least the entire first half of 2008:

While Gill recommended rest and rehabilitation, much like the course of treatment followed by former Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez in the 2001 season, Morgan strongly urged surgery for Schilling, which conceivably could have ended Schilling’s career.

According to one source, the Sox raised the possibility that Schilling would forfeit his contract if he proceeded to have surgery without their permission, and there were indications that the dispute has led to strained feelings between the parties.

Update: Rob Bradford in the Herald talks to Dr. Craig Morgan:

In mid-December, Schilling felt pain in the front of his right shoulder. A month later, he called Dr. Craig Morgan to inform the man who had done two ground-breaking shoulder surgeries on the pitcher that he had “screaming pain” in that same spot.

Today, the hurler can’t throw a baseball, and has pain simply shaking hands or opening a door.

After looking at an MRI arthrogram performed on Schilling Jan. 24, Morgan said the biceps looks like “three strands of spaghetti,” and is an irreversible problem if just using the Red Sox’ recommended remedy of a cortisone shot and rehabilitation. …

Update Update: The man speaks:

There have been disagreements these past few weeks in an effort to provide me with a solution that would allow me to pitch as much as possible during the 2008 season. At no time did I ever consider taking a course of action against the clubs wishes. In the end, regardless of who agreed with whom, I have chosen the clubs course of action and will vigorously pursue any and every option I can to be able to help this team to another World Series title in 2008.

Please understand that a lot of what has been reported is not true. When the club feels it’s appropriate to further discuss the details of this issue publicly I will elaborate but I need to make it clear that Dr Morgan did NOT diagnose me with a tear of the rotator cuff at any time during this process, nor did he recommend rotator cuff surgery.

19 comments… add one
  • Meanwhile: Pedro’s the latest sports legend doing his best to tarnish his legacy. Ugh:
    http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/02/07/video_posted_of_martinez_at_cockfight/
    Animal cruelty is abhorrent. I thought Pedro was a more poetic soul.

    Hudson February 7, 2008, 8:17 pm
  • (OK, so how many no-hitters can Clay throw before Schilling comes back? ;^))

    Hudson February 7, 2008, 8:39 pm
  • “According to one source, the Sox raised the possibility that Schilling would forfeit his contract if he proceeded to have surgery without their permission, and there were indications that the dispute has led to strained feelings between the parties.”
    Doesn’t this seem against labor law? Not that I know labor law, but isn’t there a chance Schilling is putting his use of his right arm at risk by not getting the medical attention a highly esteemed doctor says it needs? Say Schilling trusts this doctor more than anyone else, what right do the Sox have to restrict the surgery?

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 9:19 pm
  • Actually, Nick, according to the Herald, it’s exactly the opposite — the Sox would have had the right to void the contract if Schilling underwent surgery without the team’s permission.

    Paul SF February 7, 2008, 10:26 pm
  • Yeah, I assume now that such a provision is built into players’ contracts. I wonder if this is universally applied. Probably. It reminds a bit of Pavano last year, who Cashman didn’t let get surgery until all opinions were exhausted.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 10:49 pm
  • “in the end, regardless of who agreed with whom,”
    When I agree with someone, we both agree.

    Nick-YF February 7, 2008, 10:53 pm
  • Okay, going to go OT on this thread, but it is an interesting topic, worthy of conversation, and I am completely torn here.
    > Animal cruelty is abhorrent. I thought Pedro was a more poetic soul.
    I agree completely that animal cruelty is abhorrent, but I don’t know if I can apply my morality to Pedro or to the culture from which he hails, and I see this as a situation where cultural differences truly collide: where what seems like an easy call is not easy, no, not at all easy, when one thinks about it. Cock fighting is highly popular and completely legal in many places, including the DR. Does that mean “animal cruelty” is wrong “except when…” No, of course not, not to _me_ and my moral code, but it isn’t so easy to just dismiss an entire culture.
    Case in point: I have a close friend who has chosen to volunteer herself to work in health care in Ghana. She is the first white person most people in the village where she does her work have ever met. That alone has led to many fascinating interactions. There is a sweet, large yellow dog that lives at a house neighboring her clinic. By coincidence, she has a large yellow dog back home in the states which makes the situation that much more poignant: it is that neighboring family’s intention to make a feast of their dog in a short while, as dog is a delicacy in that region. She is at once mortified and at the same time trying to keep perspective about the situation and understand that it is to be a celebration for that family. Is making a meal from a canine cruel in comparison to the sport of cockfighting? Probably not, depending on how the dog is dispatched, but at its face many would call this an incredibly cruel act, especially in our home town of Portland, probably one of the most dog-centric cities in the universe. My point is there are no easy answers here.

    attackgerbil February 7, 2008, 11:06 pm
  • Agreed, attackgerbil. I was in Sevilla back in 1999 and we went to a bullfighting match, because it’s such a popular thing to do in that country. At the time (age 15) my only experience with bullfighting was from watching old Bugs Bunny and Elmer Fudd cartoons, so naturally I was shocked at how gruesome it was.
    I mentioned this to the family we were visiting, and they replied by comparing it to Football. They said something along the lines of “Football is a violent sport, and those are people instead of animals. This is a bull that is given a chance to die gloriously on the field of battle.”
    It’s difficult to compare cultures sometimes–we’re such a dog-loving society that AG’s example above would sicken most people to the point of outrage. But most of Central and South America allows cockfighting, however gruesome we may see it as. It is what it is.
    Also, back on topic: I’m genuinely glad that Schilling has a blog. I’ve been sick of hearing the media throw around rumours and speculation lately–with this instance, Santana, and Clemens–so it’s refreshing to get some information straight from the source. Whether or not you like Schilling, I think we’re all glad to be able to get information that way for once.
    Having said that… I’m shocked that the pain is so great that Schilling can barely open a door or shake hands. On 38 Pitches Schilling says he communicated his worries with the club back in December, so I’m now very surprised that they did not pull the trigger on a Santana deal involving Lester. Upset, even.

    Atheose February 8, 2008, 8:39 am
  • You need to be very careful when you try to deal with absolute morality, there are plenty of things in this country that are legal and accepted that would get you thrown in jail or worse in other countries. It’s not our place as a nation to judge other cultures.

    LocklandSF February 8, 2008, 9:16 am
  • Absolutely, Lockland. Hell, we have morality friction in our own country–if we didn’t then dogfighting wouldn’t be a problem.

    Atheose February 8, 2008, 9:31 am
  • Hi, guys — I lurk here and learn on the baseball topics, but I’m going to stick one oar in here.
    “…there are plenty of things in this country that are legal and accepted that would get you thrown in jail or worse in other countries.”
    Yes, like me holding a job, driving a car, or walking outside without a male relative.
    Given that personal stake, I feel perfectly justified in judging some aspects of other cultures. In fact, I think it’s an obligation.

    Anonymous February 8, 2008, 9:40 am
  • Argh. Holding a job, etc — That was me. Didn’t mean to be anon.

    Robin February 8, 2008, 9:41 am
  • Just a random, tree-hugging liberal aside: I think that a lot of this animal cruelty hype is not about the morals involved, but the distance from the acts in question.
    For example, I imagine a lot of us eat farmed pork, thereby implicitly condoning the awful conditions under which the pigs–highly intelligent, sensitive animals–are raised and slaughtered. Arguably, that’s a bigger moral transgression since it affects more creatures. However, we’re more inclined to censure Pedro because he was actually a part of the act we find distasteful, while our own approbation of the pork industry is a more “out of sight, out of mind” issue.

    Adrian-YF February 8, 2008, 9:41 am
  • Not to dismiss the larger conversation re: animal cruelty and cultural relativism here, but going back to Schilling, I have two thoughts.
    1)Glad we have a stocked farm system w/ Masterson, Bowden, etc., and that Buchholz is ready to go.
    2)Regardless of whether Schill pitches this season or not, I hope they end this amicably. It would be a shame to have one of the gutsiest sox pitchers in history leave w/ hard feelings a la Clemens.

    Andrew BoSox February 8, 2008, 10:07 am
  • highly intelligent, sensitive animals are raised and slaughtered.
    There is a direct correlation between the deliciousness of the animal in question and how much I’m willing to ignore. Pigs = very delicious, therefore I don’t care.
    Ignorant? Yes. But I have more important things to worry about, such as a 2:30 meeting I have this afternoon. And whether or not Buchholz can hold his own in the rotation.

    Atheose February 8, 2008, 10:28 am
  • Did you know that infant pigs always feed from the same nipple on their mother?
    Fun fact of the day.

    LocklandSF February 8, 2008, 10:32 am
  • LMAO Lockland, that comment was so random and unexpected that I couldn’t help laughing. Thanks for brightening up what has become a morbid thread!

    Atheose February 8, 2008, 10:40 am
  • schilling and the sox attempt to get out of his contract:
    just another [almost-ex] sox hero tossed under the bus…getting crowded under that there bus

    dc February 8, 2008, 4:12 pm
  • Schil and the Sox will be better off with him starting to pitch later on in the season. We all know the older he gets the more he is going to dwindle down. Having him start close to or after the All-Star break will be like signing a new pitcher off the waiver wire. We all loveSchil and the bloody sock, but its about time he took a page out of Wakefield’s book and do whats good for the team.

    GDubs850 February 11, 2008, 10:45 am

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