Waiting GameWinter Meetings Begin Today

Mark Teixiera, first choice for the Red Sox and Angels and potential second option for the Yankees, is waiting on C.C. Sabathia, first choice of the Yankees and second choice for the Angels. Sabathia is waiting on Teixiera. 

Jason Varitek is waiting for a team to offer him more than one year. Teams are waiting for anyone other than Jason Varitek to sign at catcher.

The Rangers are waiting for the Red Sox to offer a better prospect for Jarrod Saltalamacchia. The Red Sox are waiting for the Rangers to accept a lesser one.

This will all get worked out sometime in 2024.

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  • According to the Globe the Tigers have traded for Gerald Laird. One less suitor for Jason Varitek then? One less catcher to pry away from Texas for the Sox. But I guess Laird wasn’t their first option anyway.

    pale blue eyes December 8, 2008, 9:41 am
  • According to the Globe the Tigers have traded for Gerald Laird. One less suitor for Jason Varitek then? One less catcher to pry away from Texas for the Sox. But I guess Laird wasn’t their first option anyway.

    pale blue eyes December 8, 2008, 9:43 am
  • Sorry for the double post.

    pale blue eyes December 8, 2008, 9:44 am
  • funny paul, but i think you nailed it…

    dc December 8, 2008, 9:52 am
  • No Salty for you! With Laird gone that leaves Teagarden, Salty and not ready for prime time Max Ramirez. I don’t see them trading Salty in the off season now, no need. They can demand more in June/July. Especially if and it’s a big if, Tek signs 1 year deal.

    John - YF December 8, 2008, 10:11 am
  • The whole Teixeria waiting for CC who is waiting for Teixeria is crazy, interesting to see who flinches first…

    Sam-YF December 8, 2008, 10:26 am
  • not trying to get into it again sam, but tex waiting [for the sox, yankees, neither of which have made an offer unless i badly missed something] makes a lot more sense than cc waiting…cc has already received what will probably be his best offer financially…if he’s waiting for the better package of intangibles, then i don’t see the tie to waiting for tex, unless he wants to wind up on the same team… ;)

    dc December 8, 2008, 10:35 am
  • Pete Abe says Tex has recieved offers but didn’t name team or teams.
    Here’s to hoping Kenny Williams continues to trade his entire team away!

    John - YF December 8, 2008, 10:48 am
  • DC, you’re exactly right. CC knows his best offer is on the table already. He’s waiting for an excuse to not take it.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 11:20 am
  • John, I hope one of them is from Boston! ha.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 11:20 am
  • I think if LAA stepped up, and offered same years at 120-125 million, the game is over.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 11:21 am
  • Or anyone, for that matter.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 11:21 am
  • CC’s best offer is not necessarily on the table. This is why he wants to wait for teix. If the angels lost on Teix, they have the funds to match the yankees offer, in which case the yankees will counter, etc, etc….

    Sam-YF December 8, 2008, 11:41 am
  • oh, right.
    I forgot we were talking about the hypothetical situations as well. I thought we were just talking about the real offers on the table right now.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 12:22 pm
  • thanks brad, dc said: “cc has already received what will probably be his best offer financially” and you said “CC knows his best offer is on the table already.”
    Im not the only one talking about hypothetical situations here. By definition any player has received an offer has received his “best real offer on the table right now”. All I was trying to say is that there are situations in which the current best offer could be increased either by the yankees or another team.

    Sam-YF December 8, 2008, 12:32 pm
  • Bill Madden:
    “it was Genske and not Cashman who asked for the meeting, although the Yankee GM is just as anxious to find out Sabathia’s intentions now that the big lefty has had a couple of weeks to mull the six-year, $140 million offer that would make him the highest-paid pitcher in history. The reason Genske wanted the meeting, said one source, is that the agent is trying to buy more time for another team more to Sabathia’s liking to approach the Yankee bid. ”
    So, CC wants more time for a team “more to his liking” to offer something close to the NY bid?
    Sounds like a guy anxious to get to NY.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 12:33 pm
  • Oh, I wasn’t being sarcastic, Sam. I myself really was talking about the real offer on the table.
    Either way, realistic or hypothetical, that offer probably isn’t going to go higher unless the arrows point to CC taking a lesser offer, and NY ups the offer to sweeten the deal. The Angels probably know what most of us think: the offer doesn’t have to be better than NY’s offer – just close enough to make easy for him.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 12:36 pm
  • Which, I think is a worse case scenario for Red Sox fans.
    See, I don’t really mind the idea of the Red Sox facing CC in a big game – they’ve done it, and fared fine.
    However, Tex is anohter creature altogether.
    He’s actually good against good pitchers and teams, and he’ll be around for a long time.
    I hope like no tomorrow that CC does sign a huge contract with NY: that doesn’t worry me as much as if Tex did the same thing.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 12:47 pm
  • Do any of us really know how the Yankees supposed offer is structured? Do we know if money is deferred? Do we know if it is really the exact dollars that are supposedly on the table?
    The point being: we don’t know what the real details of this offer are, and the team hasn’t gone on the record to confirm the exact details. I have searched the news, and all I get are confirmations that an offer has been made, that it exceeds a certain amount. I don’t doubt that the reporting has accuracy, but we can’t understand the offer fully until we know more of the specifics, I think.
    I imagine Sabathia and the Yankees have continued to discuss these details, and I imagine that Genske is leveraging these details with both other suitors and the Yankees themselves.

    SF December 8, 2008, 12:49 pm
  • I hope like no tomorrow that CC does sign a huge contract with NY
    Wow, that’s brash. I hope he signs with Pittsburgh.

    SF December 8, 2008, 12:50 pm
  • Wow, that’s brash. I hope he signs with Pittsburgh.
    No, it’s not. But, I’m talking under the assumption that the Yankees will most likely sign either Tex or CC. In my opinion, I’d rather it be CC. There isn’t anything brash about it.
    And you’re right, none of us know exactly what the offer is.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • I think a Jeter – Tex – ARod combo is just deadly on a day to day basis. CC will probably be about what he was in Cleveland, which is good, but nothing spectacular on any given game, but Tex is just a monster, who happens to hit good pitching.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 1:06 pm
  • I’m inclined to agree with Brad, you can play a lot of games against the Yankees is see CC very little or not at all, Tex you need to deal with every time.

    LocklandSF December 8, 2008, 2:42 pm
  • Of course, the Yankees would have no pitching staff under a sign-Tex scenario (oh, that’s right, they’ll have A.J. Burnett and Ben Sheets), but I also want Texeira for myself. Hard to say which I’d prefer.
    It might be easier to run through the 19-game schedule if the Yanks sign Sabathia, but it will be easier to win the division for 2009 and the future if the Yankees lock up first base for the next 10 years while Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, Nick Swisher and Derek Jeter jockey for the DH spot.

    Paul SF December 8, 2008, 3:01 pm
  • FWIW, I don’t see the Laird trade affecting the Sox’ plans much. The Rangers were always looking to trade two of the three, and the Red Sox were not interested in Laird, who’s probably got a 50/50 chance of being as good as Varitek next year with the bat.

    Paul SF December 8, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • (oh, that’s right, they’ll have A.J. Burnett and Ben Sheets)
    You laugh at that, but that scenario scares me soooo much more than NY having CC.
    If, and that’s a big word, Burnett and Sheets are healthy, and Wang is back to his old tricks, Tex would make that team just absolutely disgusting.
    I think both Sheets and CC are better pitchers than CC, but they’re never healthy, so it’s hard to make that statement. But, if for some reason they did stay healthy (which is what I think will happen with Burnett), they’d be really, really tough to beat.
    As it stands, facing CC in the AL Championship doesn’t scare me at all. In fact, I’d feel pretty confident in that scenario.

    Brad December 8, 2008, 3:24 pm
  • Re: why CC hasnt taken the yankees offer…
    From LoHud:
    Meanwhile, Colletti said the Dodgers have not made CC Sabathia an offer but that it was a possibility depending on how other issues (Manny Ramirez) broke for them.
    waiting makes sense for him, saying he would prefer the NL/west coast, provides leverage in negotiations with the yankees….

    Sam-YF December 8, 2008, 4:35 pm
  • So the Dodgers are waiting on Manny, who is waiting on Teixeira, who is waiting on Sabathia, who is waiting for a West Coast team to make an offer. Whew.
    Yeah, I’m inclined to be a bit afraid of Burnett myself. That was an off-the-cuff poorly thought out comment. The Sox have actually performed better against C.C. than A.J. Sheets, though, has all the makings of another high-profile NY bust.
    Meanwhile, Peavy has apparently told SD he will not accept a trade to the AL, so those rumors can be put to rest.

    Paul SF December 8, 2008, 4:43 pm
  • “So the Dodgers are waiting on Manny, who is waiting on Teixeira, who is waiting on Sabathia, who is waiting for a West Coast team to make an offer. Whew.”
    Basically at this rate, nobody will be playing in March. That or one guy signs and the others will sign within 72 hours.

    Sam-YF December 8, 2008, 4:50 pm
  • “Basically at this rate, nobody will be playing in March.”
    The Hot Stove is sort of resembling one of Zeno’s paradoxes this year. If you think too hard about it, you’ll never reach the finish line.
    I just have to remind myself that the the Limit of Contract Holdouts, as the dollars approach infinity, is April 1.

    FenSheaParkway December 8, 2008, 5:13 pm
  • Brad -
    You really think Sheets, right now, healthy, is a better pitcher than CC? Really?
    That’s patently ridiculous. And Burnett, healthy like he was this year, is still not a better pitcher than CC, who has every claim to the best pitcher in baseball over the past two years, if not three.

    AndrewYF December 8, 2008, 11:17 pm
  • MMrmph.. gurglegurgle.. zzgrregiley.
    Did someone throw a pitch?

    attackgerbil December 9, 2008, 2:04 am
  • You really think Sheets, right now, healthy, is a better pitcher than CC? Really?
    No, let me rephrase:
    When talking about the money involved, I would rather take a flier on Sheets and or Burnett, because when healty, both are more than capable of doing what CC is – pitch to a 3 or 4 ERA in the AL, strike out a lot of guys, and win a lot of games. Granted, Sheets is unproven in the league, but we’ve seen Burnett, and if he’s on, he’s tough to beat by any team, and can outpitch any pitcher in the league.
    Just my preferences is all.
    Would you feel confident going into a huge game where the matchup was CC v. Burnett? If so, you haven’t watched CC’s big games.

    Brad December 9, 2008, 8:39 am
  • Would you feel confident going into a huge game where the matchup was CC v. Burnett?
    The big question is whether you’d feel confident going into a huge game where the matchup was CC vs. “a 65% chance that is Burnett, a 35% chance it’s someone else because AJ is hurt”.

    SF December 9, 2008, 9:35 am
  • “If so, you haven’t watched CC’s big games.”
    You mean that streak of 3-days-rest starts where every game was a must-win down the stretch for Milwaukee?
    AJ Burnett or Ben Sheets have never, ever, in their entire careers, done something that impressive. Mostly because they were hurt, but also because they’re simply not as good as CC Sabathia.
    And I absolutely love Ben Sheets.

    AndrewYF December 9, 2008, 9:53 am
  • CC, who has every claim to the best pitcher in baseball over the past two years, if not three.
    Well, not EVERY claim. Santana has a better ERA+ over the past three years (150), and Sabathia is tied with Brandon Webb (149) for second. There’s a pretty sizable gap between them and Roy Halladay (138) in fourth. Santana and Webb have also pitched more innings than Sabathia in the past three years.
    Over the past two years, though, you’ve got a point. Sabathia’s at 152, Jake Peavy at 149, Brandon Webb 147 and Johan Santana 145, and Sabathia has pitched the most innings of any of them.

    Paul SF December 9, 2008, 10:33 am

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