The Cautionary Tale of Warner Finster Chucky Madrigal

Take heed Hideki, Manny, Javier, Craig, Chris, and David…

Warner Madrigal of the Texas Rangers is actually a very normal- and decent-looking guy:

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But, as reflected by the commentary on the Yanks gamethread last night, by the time he had given up the Rangers’ recently-acquired one-run lead in the 7th, he began to look more like…

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And by the time he had recorded one out on the way to giving up 5 hits and 6 earned runs in what would become the biggest inning of the Yankees’ ’08 season, he had transformed into… 

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Now bring on the Sox!

45 comments… add one

  • Sigh. I wish this weren’t an issue, but it’s a GLARING gosh darn issue.
    We need our starters to go 8 innings, but no way that is happening against you guys.
    Sigh (again). If these games turn into slug fests, the yanks have the upper hand. This could turn into a very very ugly week for the red sox.
    Should be a gut wrenching roller coaster. I look forward to it.

    Pat (SF) July 3, 2008, 3:31 am
  • Hank is 3 for 3 (Moose, pitching, hitting) in motivational speeches! Long live the Steinbrenners!
    (And for the record, I think the Yanks will be lucky to win 2 games this weekend. The Sox starting pitching is too good and too healthy).

    A YF July 3, 2008, 7:37 am
  • The good news is that Manny destroys the Yankees. Hopefully that will pull him out of his slump.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 8:07 am
  • The bad news is Manny destroys teammates and traveling secretaries.

    A YF July 3, 2008, 8:13 am
  • Well, there’s no way either of our starters will go 8 innings.. hehe..

    Lar July 3, 2008, 9:24 am
  • That dude looks like Jack Black’s illegitimate love-child…

    krueg July 3, 2008, 9:34 am
  • The bad news is Manny destroys teammates and traveling secretaries.
    Since Manny backhanded him Youks stats are:
    .324 BA, .397 OBP, .985 OPS
    If anything, getting hit by Manny bestows the receiver with supernatural powers! Maybe the secretary will win the lotto?

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 9:45 am
  • But Manny hasn’t had a hit since “the shove”.

    dw (sf) July 3, 2008, 9:57 am
  • Wow – this was supposed to be a lighthearted goof-off thread, not a serious discussion of the upcoming series! As I watched the game last night I thought Madrigal looked alot like Baby Finster (from one of the best episodes of the Looney Tunes cartoons, which by the way have never since been duplicated or even approximated by the thousands of other children’s cartoons and programmes in terms of their hilarity, cleverness, multiple-level sarcasm and wit, social commentary, and repeat-watchability) as well as Chucky (no claims of artistic greatness there).
    But if we are to discuss the upcoming series rather than Madrigal’s face…I think neither SFs nor YFs are feeling particularly confident about this series, despite the false bravado in the original post here.
    As a YF I only care about where things stand for them and as far as that goes, the pros for them are: Their bats busted out yesterday just in time for back-to-back Sox/Rays series at the Stadium. Their bullpen remains shockingly effective. When you only have 3/5s of a starting rotation, it is good that all three get to pitch in the upcoming series and that 2 get to go vs. the Rays.
    The cons: Until that one game last night, they were an unbelievably bad 5-for-32 with RISP over the past week+ and the only game this weekend that appears to be a practical no-brainer to predict is the one in which none of the Yankees’ 3/5s-rotation will take the mound, i.e. Beckett vs. Rasner. Let’s just say Vegas isn’t leanign the Yankees’ way on that one. Moreover, as refrenced by Atheose, one of the Yankee big (only) 3 – Moose – sees the Sox in his nuightmares, with Manny leading the way. At least he won’t face Ortiz as well – the other Sox batter that drinks his milkshake. It will be very interesting to see how the newly-beguiling Moose aproaches his dread-locked nemesis.
    It is cliched to say “tonight’s game is really important”, but given Moose’s Sox history, the imbalance of Beckett vs. Rasner, and the uncertainty of Joba – I expect him to pitch well, but will he, and even if he does, will he go deeper than 4-5 innings? – and the fact that the Sox may be a little ragged today after being swept and then probably getting to around 4am today, tonight’s match-up would appear to be the most friendly to the Yanks. They need to start strong and stay taht way, because if they don’t show well in their next 7 games the gap between them and Tampa, not to mention Boston, could start to look insurmountable.
    Oh, and Madrigal still looks like Baby Finster/Chucky…

    IronHorse (yf) July 3, 2008, 10:00 am
  • If Tito sends Varitek up to the plate this weekend, in game tying or winning situations late in the game, against anyone other than Mariano (he seems to put up a good battle against Mo for whatever weird reason), I’m going to pull what short hair I have out of my head.
    In every situation, pinch hit for him with Casey, then put in Cash to finish the game.
    He’s become unwatchable.
    And while I’m on it, the Red Sox better really start thinking about what they’re going to do next year. It might really be time to get on the phone with Atlanta and see what it’ll take.
    Seriously.

    Brad July 3, 2008, 10:00 am
  • “In every situation, pinch hit for him with Casey, then put in Cash to finish the game.”
    Put anyone in to catch, anyone, I will catch.
    I’m still sore from screaming about that hit and run last night.
    In other news, was I the only one yelling at Dustin to stop at first for the cycle? I know, it’s silly, but you almost never see it!

    LocklandSF July 3, 2008, 10:34 am
  • Yeah, the way I see it Beckett vs Rasner is a Sox win and Wakefield vs Chamberlain is a Yankees win. So the other two matches:
    Masterson vs Mussina
    Like IH said Manny takes Moose’s milk money, but the Yanks will probably tee off on Masterson. In a slugfest that will likely see 4+ innings from the Red Sox bullpen, New York probably has the advantage here.
    Lester vs Pettitte? This is the big toss-up in the series. Lester was 3-0 in June with a 3.03 ERA, with only 3 BB’s in 32 innings pitched. If he keeps his walk totals down he’ll give the Sox a chance to win against Pettitte, who had a 5.24 ERA against the Sox last season. Interestingly, Pettitte is better on the road (3.45 ERA) this season than at home (4.59).

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 10:36 am
  • In other news, was I the only one yelling at Dustin to stop at first for the cycle? I know, it’s silly, but you almost never see it! I normally would have, but since we were losing the game I applauded him for taking the extra base. 4 extra base hits in a game is better than the cycle anyways.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 10:37 am
  • “Wakefield vs Chamberlain is a Yankees win”
    I am less certain about this. It has less to do with lack of confidence in Joba – though he is clearly still in early-testing mode – then with the utter polar-extreme results of Tim Wakefield. I feel like he is either utter fish-food or bizarrely effective magic-man. And there is no telling whatsoever which one will show up.

    IronHorse (yf) July 3, 2008, 10:43 am
  • I feel like he is either utter fish-food or bizarrely effective magic-man. And there is no telling whatsoever which one will show up.
    That’s the problem–it’s been too long since he has been fish-food in a game. He’s gone 7+ innings in seven straight appearances, with a 1.98 ERA over that span. Normally that would be a fantastic trend for a pitcher, but a trip to Yankee Stadium feels like the sort of thing that will help him regress back to the mean. My gut tells me he’s due for a shelling, though I would love to be wrong.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 10:52 am
  • The only thing I know from watching the yankees vs sox over the years is that the starting pitching match up in these games is essentially predictive of nothing. I cant count how many times I went into a game saying we or they have a huge advantage and the game turned out the other way. It seems like in at least 80% of these games the tying run comes up to the plate in the 9th for the team that is behind. Being that we both have amazing closers, it keeps it interesting….

    Sam-YF July 3, 2008, 10:54 am
  • Interestingly enough most of Wakefield’s starts over that stretch have been on the road. Sadly his record is 2-3 during that time, with a 2.04 ERA in those losses.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 10:55 am
  • “it’s been too long since he has been fish-food in a game”
    You’re a reall “glass-is-half-empty” kind of guy! By that rationale, Mike Mussina is a dead man walking, so we’re even!

    IronHorse (yf) July 3, 2008, 10:57 am
  • EEI is reporting that there is a chance that it’ll be Buchholz instead of Masterson, with Masterson going to the pen.
    That, I’m on board with.

    Brad July 3, 2008, 11:01 am
  • Haha I’m normally extremely optimistic when it comes to sports, but Wakefield is the exception. Like I said, normally his stretch of good games would be a fantastic trend for a pitcher, but with Wakefield is just seems like he’s due for a 6-runs-in-the-first-inning type of game.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 11:22 am
  • “The only thing I know from watching the yankees vs sox over the years is that the starting pitching match up in these games is essentially predictive of nothing.”
    Truer words have never been spoken. You can essentially throw every predictive measure out the window when these two teams square off.

    LocklandSF July 3, 2008, 11:22 am
  • EEI is reporting that there is a chance that it’ll be Buchholz instead of Masterson, with Masterson going to the pen.
    Additionally, Timlin is expected to be activated today for the Yankee series. I’m cringing, if you can’t tell from the crazy-telepathic vibes that my post is giving off.
    Masterson to the pen is a good idea though. Hell, someone in there needs to do their job without sucking.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 11:25 am
  • so if Timlin is coming back and Masterson to the pen (not sure about that one, as his ability to get lefties out isn’t one of his strong points yet). who goes? that’s two spots, and only 1 ID’d (Chris) back to the PawSox. Does Hansen go back down (I still think Delcarmen has better stuff than Hansen)

    dw (sf) July 3, 2008, 11:34 am
  • dw, Masterson is already on the roster so nobody needs to be moved for him.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 11:36 am
  • “Masterson to the pen is a good idea though.”
    Panic!

    A YF July 3, 2008, 11:40 am
  • What’s wrong with this move AYF? You’ve said several times that you’re afraid of Buchholz pitching against the Yankees, and our pen certainly needs help somewhere and Masterson is as good an option as any.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 11:43 am
  • While I agree with the comments from various SFs that predictive measures, including gauging advantages in pitching match-ups, are useless in Sox-Yanks series, I challenge you to consider whether you’d rather have Rasner or Beckett representing your interests on the mound tomorrow. That’s all I was saying when I noted the Vegas odds on that particular game. Yes, they are all toss-ups. I just see tomorrow’s game as less of a who-knows-what-the-hell-will-happen toss-up than the others.

    IronHorse (yf) July 3, 2008, 11:46 am
  • I’m simply responding to all the wringing of SF hands when Joba was right moved to the rotation. Surely this is even more of a panic move since it flies directly in the face of Masterson’s development? And he was at risk for going over his innings total…
    Panic! Panic!

    A YF July 3, 2008, 11:51 am
  • Atheose,
    I know materson is on the roster, but if Timilin is coming back, and Buch – they need to send someone else down with Chris Smith.

    dw (sf) July 3, 2008, 12:10 pm
  • Off topic…
    I am so checked out for the holiday already.

    LocklandSF July 3, 2008, 12:13 pm
  • Lockland: yeah, dude. Last day of work for the holiday week…tough to focus…I’m basically hoping they give us a half-day at this point…

    Devine July 3, 2008, 12:18 pm
  • Off Topic…
    If anyone has interest in going to the Futures Game/Celebrity Softball Game (Better known as All-Star Sunday 7/13) you can email me at TheSqueeze13@aim.com. I have 2 tickets that I cannot use and am looking to sell.
    Thanks!

    John - YF July 3, 2008, 12:20 pm
  • > simply responding to all the wringing of SF hands
    You are “Simply Responding” to a statement made by no one on this thread regarding a topic that has nothing to do with this situation, and then pile on with “Surely this is even more of a panic move”. You are the one who used the word panic in the first place. Are you arguing with yourself? Regarding your off-topic reference to Joba, there was “hand-wringing” by pundits all over the place, most importantly and vociferously from within the ranks of the Yankee faithful, and to bend that situation to this one just to poke at SFs is disingenuous.
    “it flies directly in the face of Masterson’s development.” I disagree; he’s a passable fifth starter right now, but with Buchholz ready to return to the rotation, he needs to move. Masterson is posting game scores in the 40s and he’s walked nine in his last 12 innings. He is struggling and needs help, and I don’t think he’ll find what he needs to break out of his control issues facing the Yankee lineup on Saturday, as much as I would like the Sox to let him try.

    attackgerbil July 3, 2008, 12:44 pm
  • Well said, AG. Saved me from spending 5 minutes on a post ;-)

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 12:49 pm
  • And now for something completely different, ESPN.com is announcing that A-rod and his wife are splitting. I KNOW it’s off topic but the Yanks fan I work with got an alert sent to his phone on the subject….

    rootbeerfloat July 3, 2008, 12:59 pm
  • And the Providence Journal is reporting that the Paw Sox and Red Sox are both saying that Buchholz is staying put.
    http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/SoxBlog/2008/07/buchholz-not-ge.html

    rootbeerfloat July 3, 2008, 1:00 pm
  • > Buchholz is staying put.
    Then it looks like I get my wish.

    attackgerbil July 3, 2008, 1:14 pm
  • You’d rather face Masterson than Buchholz, AG? Buchholz has a 7.45 ERA in two starts against the Yanks.

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 1:17 pm
  • Six and one I suppose, but looking at Buchholz’ pitching lines as of late for the PawSox, I think I’d rather face Masterson now than Buchholz now, even though the Yankees have yet to see Masterson.

    attackgerbil July 3, 2008, 1:26 pm
  • a- no panic. this was the sox plan for over a year now. stretch out masterson in a starters roll and then transition him into the bullpen as to conserve innings. i’ll fax you over a copy of the “justin rules”. how does this one go again…. justin was a closer at nebraska san diego state and then later at trenton lancaster. this move has nothing to do with panic or injuries or prospect floundering. it was the plan all along. another well orchestrated move by theo and co.

    sf rod July 3, 2008, 1:57 pm
  • Wow, so I passed a guy in the hallway that I sort-of know here at work and he was leaving, so I said “Have a good 4th of July” and he says “Oh I don’t celebrate it, I find the nationalism a little too fascist.”
    How the hell do you respond to that? I should have said something like “Well your hippy ass had better be in the office tomorrow at 8am!” but all I could muster was “Uhh, well then have a nice day off.”

    Atheose July 3, 2008, 2:01 pm
  • “Well your hippy ass had better be in the office tomorrow at 8am!”
    That cracked me up. Dirty hippies!

    LocklandSF July 3, 2008, 2:10 pm
  • um, there’s a game starting soon that I thought might get a game thread??

    rootbeerfloat July 3, 2008, 6:56 pm
  • It’s up rbf…barely in time. Have a happy holiday weekend!

    IronHorse (yf) July 3, 2008, 7:05 pm
  • Hmmm, AG, no SF anywhere called the Joba to the pen (and back) a “panic” move in which he was being rushed both ways? Wow, shocking.
    Actually, since your sarcasm detector seems to be out of tune, I have no problem with the Masterson approach, esp since it worked so well for Joba, except…
    It isn’t to save Masterson some innings, so yeah Rod I’d to see a copy of those Rules. Last year young Justin threw 150 innings. By the “guidelines” for developing young arms, you increase each year by 15-20%. So that would give him up to 180 innings this year. So far he’s thrown 68. Hmmmm, looks like he’ll have trouble reaching his cap in the bullpen. Nah, that’s good for his development instead of starting somewhere – ML or mL. Also hard to see how he was a closer/RP in college when his last year there he started 16 of the 17 games he appeared in.

    A YF July 4, 2008, 9:45 am

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