One more rehab start, and Wade Miller may be on his way back to the bigs. Here’s hoping he stays healthy as the banged-up Sox staff could use him, and bad.
by SF on April 29, 2005 at 6:08 am in
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Wangs, Wades, Wrights, wrongs. For today, we’re going to look at the silver lining of last night’s events: a decent outing for Brown. We hope more follow.
Meanwhile, Unit is once again called upon to halt a skid, this time against another former CY. Let’s hope the bats come out to help him. Which reminds us. Joe: Woemack in the 2 slot? For the love of Andy Phillips, please put him back down in the 9 (or if you really want to make us happy on the bench).
We also note that Mr. Sierra seems to be making an extremely rapid recovery now that Mr. Phillips is doing well in his erstwhile job. Let’s hope the Yankees have the good sense to let him retain it.
YF April 29, 2005 at 8:59 am
The title? Now that’s funny.
Sully April 29, 2005 at 9:19 am
Here we go agin just wait Miller shows up. This never stops
Bob April 29, 2005 at 9:35 am
Let’s see, the Red Sox hopes rely on Wade Miller’s comeback, and I thought the Yankees were in trouble. Is this the year of the bird (Orioles or Blue Jays)? I’m a Yankee fan but the Yanks and Red Sox could both use a reality check about spending wisely. What’s the old adage about “Don’t shop when your hungry.” Here’s a new one “Don’t sign free agents when your desperate.” Gotta love it.
Joe in NJ April 29, 2005 at 10:38 am
Well, yes, now that both Wells and Schilling are hurt, it would follow that the Sox have some trouble. Nobody’s in denial here.
But what does that have to do with the Yankees’ troubles? The Red Sox DID spend wisely for their risks: Wells’ troubles came at a very cheap price, and Miller, his replacement, is signed for very little as well. Jaret Wright, Brown, et al are far more risky, from a straight dollar standpoint.
SF April 29, 2005 at 11:38 am
How can you say that the sox were wise? As it stands right now they would have been infinitely better off re-signing Lowe and Pedro. That may change, but as of now the Sox look to have totally screwed up. The Yankees passed on Wells, looks good so far no? The Sox signed Clement after the Yanks got Pavano, looks good so far for the Yanks no? Only time will tell, but the truth is both teams got locked into signing players so that the other team wouldn’t get them, always trying to one up each other. Both teams are spending foolishly, the Yanks more than the Sox (mainly because of Steindumber), but both appear to have made mistakes. Is SF in denial just because they didn’t spend as much as the Yankees? Things may change only time will tell, who recovers, who else gets hurt, who pitches well who collapses. I’m sorry if I don’t worship at the altar of Theo, but all that matters is what can be measured, final results. Things worked for the Sox last year, we’ll see what happens this year. I just wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the year of the Bird. And currently Baltimore is flipping it at both our teams. And don’t come back with “they made the right choice it just didn’t work out” that is the mantra of the loser, no? If they have made the right choice it will work out.
Joe in NJ April 29, 2005 at 11:59 am
Just as an example the Yankees failed to re-sign Pettite, and yes he did get hurt last year. But they got Brown to replace him and what has he done. Who would you want to have today?
Joe in NJ April 29, 2005 at 12:01 pm
Joe – ask yourself some simple questions – here goes. Don’t hurt yourself.
Lowe and Pedro cost how much, again? For how many years? In which league are they pitching? How did Lowe stack up against the rest of the majors, as a pitcher, the last two years? What about Pedro’s career path, how was that going? And his health record, how was that over the last three years? Do you believe Pedro’s story, about whether he would have returned to the Sox? Clement has one bad start and all of a sudden he’s a mistake? Pavano chose the Yankees over the Sox, that’s common knowledge, that’s a slip-up by the Red Sox? Wade Miller, if healthy, could be the best of the bunch, and he costs how much, again? As for the “results”, can you tell us what month it is? Is it a different month for the Yankees than it is for the Sox? What about the Orioles?
Lastly,it’s very important to remember that many of these decisions are made for results (as in wins) but also results (as in dollars). Success? Profitability, followed by victory. The former takes precedence for every team in MLB, even the Yankees.
SF April 29, 2005 at 12:14 pm
SF, read my post…carefully, so you don’t hurt yourself. I say what you just said. Results is all that matters in any business. It is still early. Things look bad now but they could turn around. They could turn around for the Yankees as well, Brown pitched decent last night, what if he keeps it up, or gets even better? What if Wright comes back and pitches like last year? Most people expect Randy Johnson to heat up with the weather. Mussina looks like he will be a decent number 3 behind Pavano and Johnson, but he’ll look like a great #4 if Brown gets hot. I said as things stand we both look bad, things could change. But in the end all that matters are the final results. I would think as a Sox fan you would understand that after last year. It was different than any other you’ve ever had no? At the end of the season we’ll see who made the right decisions, me personally I think it’s the Florida Marlins.
Also, its important to remember the decisions made this off-season have multi-year ramifications, we’ll have to see how those pan out, no? I remember a Boston GM saying that a ceratin Boston Cy Young award winning pitcher was done about ten years ago, he was due for injury and was asking for too much money, how’d that work out? Theo is a human being right? He makes mistakes I would think then. Everybody says how smart Billy Beane is, how many championships has he won? The Marlins have already won 2.
Don’t get so touchy, we are just talking about of overgrown, over-paid, men playing a child’s game. Why so defensive? You don’t really worship at the altar of Theo do you? If you do I’ll stop, it’s useless to argue about religion.
Joe in NJ April 29, 2005 at 12:31 pm
That Duquette “twilight” comment has always been pulled out of context (I hate when people say that, but in this case it’s acutally quite true). The myth is that at the final press conference Duquette dissed Clemens rudely, and the story of that quote is now accepted as Duquette insultingly saying something like, “well, he’s in the twilight of his career so it’s no big deal”. In fact, the actual statement is far more reverent. Here are his full comments, from the press conference after Clemens took off:
“The Red Sox and our fans were fortunate to see Roger Clemens play in his prime and we had hoped to keep him in Boston during the twilight of his career,” said Duquette, who joined Harrington on a conference call yesterday afternoon. “We just want to let the fans know that we worked extremely hard to sign Roger Clemens. . . . We made him a substantial, competitive offer, by far the most money ever offered to a player in the history of the Red Sox franchise.
“Unfortunately, we just couldn’t get together. We were hoping he could finish his career as a Red Sox and we also wanted him to establish a relationship beyond his playing career. We wanted him to have the status of a Ted Williams, but at the end of the day we couldn’t get it done.”
Whatever Clemens used to motivate himself worked, that’s for sure. And the myth about Duquette’s comments has grown in large part to Clemens’ own ego and his own repetition of this phrase to mock Duquette, but in truth what was said wasn’t quite what everyone now thinks was said.
SF April 29, 2005 at 12:57 pm
Point given, you think Pedro and Lowe are motivating themselves similarly?
Joe in NJ April 29, 2005 at 1:05 pm
Yet, the more I think about it, that twilight comment still rubs me a little wrong. Roger’s had a 10 year twilight like I’ve never seen.
Joe in NJ April 29, 2005 at 1:08 pm
I am SURE Pedro is. Not sure about Lowe – it was never clear to any of us what motivated him. ;)
As for the twilight comment, in retropect and taken in isolation it seems much more insulting than it was ever meant to be. It may have been an incredibly subtle jab (and since when does Roger understand subtlety?!), but at the time Clemens had had a couple of rough years, he was injured and definitely out of shape, he really did seem to be reaching the end of the line. What he did after moving on, besides the illegal deal he signed with the Jays and the bullying he perpetrated in getting them to trade him, has been amazingly impressive and suprising – to just about everyone, except maybe to Roger himself. I am sure he thinks himself invincible.
As for how it worked out for us Sox fans? Well, Clemens moving on started the wheels turning, and from that moment on Duquette got Pedro, which probably helped get Manny, which may have also helped get Damon, and we all know how these moving parts synched last season, by skill and by luck. (The money the Sox offered these guys didn’t hurt either)
The whole Clemens saga has made for some great soap operatic stuff, between the Sox, the Yanks, Clemens, the Mets. All in all, it’s worked out just fine, I think. I wouldn’t go back and re-sign Clemens knowing, with hindsight, how it all played out, and I IDOLIZED the guy when he was in Boston. Sounds cynical, but the alternative (let’s say the Sox had signed him to end his career in Boston) would be naively romantic, right? I’ll stick with the Roger-less Sox and the one World Series trophy we got.
SF April 29, 2005 at 1:32 pm
SF, as usual the champion of goal-post shifting. Regardless of the context, Duquette’s comments were tin eared. And let’s deconstruct that little “first profitablity, then wins” fallacy he trots out, as if the two weren’t somehow connected. With the Sox staff (predictably) injury-riddled, we’re now told that they came on the cheap (for good reason). That’s nice. The Yanks chose to spend more money, and they’ve got more to spend. Did they spend dumbly? Probably. But we’re not rooting for general managers/profit lines.
YF April 29, 2005 at 2:28 pm
I am not being suckered into a flame war with you, YF. You know where I stand, and that I believe that on-field success and profitability are linked. I make no statement about their lack of connectedness, just about prioritization, so don’t try to start a fight where there’s none to start. You don’t think the Sox risked an injury-prone staff because they thought the risk was potentially successful, and also cheaper? Who are you fucking kidding?
SF April 29, 2005 at 2:34 pm
Language!!! This site is already blocked from NYC schools. (seriously, but it’s not us, it’s because we’re linked to the foul mouths at boston dirt dogs.)
We give, SF! We shall heretofore not question the depth and breadth and perspicacity of your analysis of the Bosox corporate strategy. At least not this afternoon…..
YF April 29, 2005 at 2:49 pm
You talking to ME about language?! 1-800-FUCKOFF ring a bell, YF?
SF April 29, 2005 at 3:16 pm
And his health record, how was that over the last three years?
Pedro Martinez has averaged 201 innings per season over the past three years.
Clay April 30, 2005 at 12:03 am
Well, that may be true Clay, but he has spent time on the DL three of the last 4 years, and one of those years he pitched barely 110 innings. 2 of those years he didn’t crack 200, and only last year, the “worst” of his career, brought that average up over 200. He has a reputation for being less than totally durable, and that’s well-deserved. A team just has/had to make the decision if 180-200 innings out of Pedro, max, can be expected for each of the next 4 years, and that that is worth $55M.
SF April 30, 2005 at 9:46 am
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