What Would Schilling Do?

Again, I’m late with this one but since YF continues to take the high road and I’m just that petty a Yanks fan, I’m going to put it out there.

Here’s a hypothetical: You’re a pitcher and you throw a plus 90 mph fast ball that winds up smacking the guy at bat in the helmet. What’s more is that to most eyes, the batter had no chance of getting out the way of the pitch. He has to leave the game and take a trip to the hospital to make sure everything’s all right because, you know, he got hit in the head by a major league fast ball. What’s your reaction?

The ever pious Curt Schilling, when faced with that exact situation, opted to place the blame where it clearly needed to be placed. From this recap of a recent spring training game, we are privy to Schilling’s take on what it feels like to send a man to the hospital: "The bottom line is that ball should not have hit him," Schilling said. "You’ve got to be able to get out of the way of that pitch." Now that’s classy.

40 comments… add one
  • I watched it, and the guy was slow moving out of the way. Not that Curt threw at his head on purpose, or I’m condoning doing that at all, but for Curt to say that the guy may consider ducking when there is a fastball coming at you is not as classless as you think, Nick. I’ve played baseball for a long time, and while I’ve never seen Curt’s fastball, I have seen faster and I know that most anyone with a pulse can move the six inches it takes to get out of the way.
    But, since it’s Schilling (like A-Rod) no matter what the guy says or does is going to piss somebody off, so lets just agree to not agree.

    Brad March 13, 2006, 10:43 pm
  • Brad, I’m psyched for some spring training fisticuffs between us to get prepped for the coming season!
    Actually, the issue isn’t really whether Duffy could have in fact gotten out of the way of the pitch (looking at the video I really have to disagree with your assessment though), it’s the fact that Schilling decided to blame the guy after hitting him in the head! You think Duffy hasn’t thought about moving his head out of the way of a fastball? Did he need the condescending veteran to make obnoxious suggestions for his edification? Schilling is being a grade A a-hole in this situation.

    NickYF March 14, 2006, 12:20 am
  • On an unrelated topic, Derek Jeter is hitting .563 in the WBC. I have a good feeling about this year for him, I think it could be a career year.

    Joe in NYC March 14, 2006, 5:25 am
  • Hey, at least he didn’t throw a bat at a guy and then try to explain that away…

    SF March 14, 2006, 6:20 am
  • I was there. (My brother and fly down each year to catch the Sox at Bradenton v. the Pirates and one or two other games) He didn’t move. I seriously don’t have a problem with pitchers taking back the inside of the plate.
    I’m not sure I like Schill throwing high and tight, but anything chest level and below that’s inside – if you don’t move then tough shit for you.

    Craig March 14, 2006, 6:37 am
  • Schilling is being a grade A a-hole in this situation.
    As we used to say in the SF childhood household, “Mah Nishtahnah…”

    SF March 14, 2006, 6:54 am
  • Here’s a list of how Sports Illustrated ranked the Yankee and Sox pitchers for fantasy leagues.
    Sox fans would presumably want to lower Johnson’s rating and raise Schilling and Beckett’s ratings.
    I think Chacon is the real thing, and I’d move him way up. Sox fans would probably want to move Wakefield way up. (SF, note that they rate Wang above Wakefield, as I did.)]
    Wright is still a question mark. There are different factors involved in how they fit in after coming over from the NL, but I think they show that the change does raise questions, including psychological. Beckett may do very wll, but no one knows yet.
    All these pitchers could have very different ratings by the end of the year. I don’t know what Johnson will do, but I expect Wang and Pavano to move up, and wait to see what Moose will do.
    SI’s fantasy rankings
    8 Randy Johnson
         23 Josh Beckett
         33 Curt Shilling
    46 Mike Mussina
         49 Matt Clement
    64 Carl Pavano
         69 David Wells
    71 Chien-ming Wang
         81 Bronson Arroyo
    Not in Top 93
    Chacon
    Wright
         Papelbon
         Wakefield

    john March 14, 2006, 8:14 am
  • OK guys hows this. If Randy Johnson threw a 90 plus fast ball and hit let’s see David Ortiz in the head. It wouldn’t be Randy’s fault then right. Please Schilling is the one responsible as he was the one to throw the ball. He’s just an ass who is never wrong. If he can’t control his pitches he has no business throwing high and tight. Somebody could get seriously injured that way and the fat bastard blames the hitter.

    Jeterluva March 14, 2006, 8:19 am
  • Ummm, Jetaluva.
    First, Johnson’s led the league on at least a couple of occasions in hit batsmen and is notorious for throwing inside – one of the reasons he’s been so successful over the years (not to mention a blazing fastball and insane slider). Use Mussina if you like in your example – not Randy. /chuckle
    Second, this isn’t a question of fault. Schilling didn’t intend to hit him, he merely meant to move him off the plate. He has every right to try to take control of the inside part of the plate, just as Duffy has every right to stand on top of it so he can reach out and hit the low and away fastball. The guy didn’t move and got hit. Next time, I’m betting, he’ll get his ass out of the way. Let’s not make Schilling into a villain here.
    Gawd, this almost makes me feel badly for Arod (who seemingly takes the blame no matter what he does).

    Craig March 14, 2006, 8:38 am
  • No I won’t use Mussina in this example because the fastball was 90 mph. So in using Randy I was correct. Now for Randy leading in hit bats man whatever. My issue was his comments blaming the batter. If RAandy hit someone and made those comments afterwards he’d be an asshole too.

    Jeterluva March 14, 2006, 8:59 am
  • All he said was that he should have been able to get out of the way. A tad callous? Perhaps. Incorrect. Hardly.
    He also called Duffy to see how he was, something much of the media have neglected to report.

    Craig March 14, 2006, 9:30 am
  • I think Schill’s trying to psych himself up for the season, make himself feel intimidating by, well, intimidating . . . great prospects from Pittsburgh. Yeah, he should have taken a bit more responsibility for the risk of injury. (And yes even though I’m a Sox fan I kind of hate Schilling personally.) But I could see this as part of the trajectory for him having a great season, seems like his pride was hurt a lot last season (maybe playing Everquest for weeks on end had something to do with that, Schill). Feeling intimidating might be part of that, specially when kids on the Pirates aren’t scared of you. I thought that was what he was really saying – “he should have been scared enough of me to think I might do that, and it worries me that people don’t have those fears when they step into the batter’s box against me – that was me trying to change that.” Maybe now he’ll take notes on which batters duck for which pitches.
    But the comparison to Randy is funny, because, as far as I know, Schill’s never decked anyone while wearing a Sox cap. Must we remember Randy’s big first day in New York? I think walking down the street in the media capital of the world implies different occupational hazards than standing on a pitcher’s mound.
    Or should that cameraman have ducked?

    rk March 14, 2006, 9:38 am
  • I’m glad you think it’s simple to get out of the way of a 90 mph pitch. You should try out. It should be a very interesting season between the sox and the Yankees because Johnson is planning on pitching inside as well. But don’t complain if one of your stars takes it in the head because in your opinion you should be able to get out of the way.

    Jeterluva March 14, 2006, 9:39 am
  • Oh so it’s ok for Schilling to make a comment like that because last year Johnson pushed a cameraman. You can live in the past and use others players issues to make you feel better about your own players if it helps you sleep at night. But I’m sure that issue was hashed out already.

    Jeterluva March 14, 2006, 9:49 am
  • I just wonder if Schilling and Vagitek have some kind of signal, so that the masked wonder can be ready to defend Redlight when he decks someone who “should have gotten out of the way.”

    Macombs March 14, 2006, 10:22 am
  • The S.I. rankings are just silly.
    Wakefield below Arroyo? Ridiculous. No-show Pavano above 15-game-winner Wells? Indefensible.
    As far as Schilling, he surely knew that the comment would spark outrage, even if he was 100% right. But the publicity serves his purpose: Spreading the word that Curt will throw at your head and not apologize. If his aim is to psych out batters, he’s crazy… like a fox.

    Hudson March 14, 2006, 10:29 am
  • Hmmmm, the hypocritical thing about this incident is that while some in RSN are quick to defend Schilling now, they jumped all over Clemens when he drilled Piazza a few years back. And Clemens didn’t even try to publicly BLAME Piazza for not moving out of the way, even though he looked the ball right into the interlocking N-Y.
    Craig, if Clemens was the villain then, Schilling most definitely is the villain now.
    Pitching inside is one thing. But when it goes awry and people get hurt, its time to take some responsibility, or at the very least offer no comment. The amazing thing is that there are fans out there that actually defend placing blame on the batter.
    We’ll see how they flip flop when it’s a Red Sox player on the receiving end.
    And Brad, for the record, I believe the “deer in the headlights” was at work in both cases. Any suggestion that someone would lean into a pitch to their head or would be deliberately slow in getting out of the way is utterly ridiculous. So to get your logic down, if you’re speeding down a street and I, as a pedestrian try to cross, anticipating that you are driving the speed limit, whose fault would it be if you hit me? Would I be more apt to get out of the way next time, presuming I was still alive for a next time?

    lp March 14, 2006, 10:56 am
  • The Schill realizes that this is just Spring Training, right? Was Duffy hanging over the plate a-la Rickey Henderson? There’s a difference between brushing someone back (chest/shoulder) and putting one in their ear hole. He’s probably just upset the WBC has decreased the number of cameras for his “comeback”.

    Nate March 14, 2006, 11:28 am
  • “Pitching inside is one thing. But when it goes awry and people get hurt, its time to take some responsibility, or at the very least offer no comment. The amazing thing is that there are fans out there that actually defend placing blame on the batter.”
    lp, exactly.

    NickYF March 14, 2006, 11:51 am
  • “As we used to say in the SF childhood household, “Mah Nishtahnah…””
    SF, somehow Schilling’s outdone himself this time.

    NickYF March 14, 2006, 11:56 am
  • “The amazing thing is that there are fans out there that actually defend placing blame on the batter.”
    Well, it’s ridiculous, but I wouldn’t say it’s “amazing”. How many Yanks fans actually believed Roger when he said he thought “the bat was a ball”? How many Giants fans are sure that Barry Bonds has never taken performance enhancing drugs? It’s blind team loyalty: it’s unfortunate and silly, but it’s hardly unique to this one case.

    Earl March 14, 2006, 12:04 pm
  • These comments remind me of last summer in the Bronx, when I sat next to a Yankees fan who screamed “Hit him in his fat head! That’s the only way they’ll respect us!” every time Ortiz came to the plate – and between each pitch of his at-bats.

    airk March 14, 2006, 12:06 pm
  • “How many Yanks fans actually believed Roger when he said he thought “the bat was a ball”? ”
    Earl, you ever read Oliver Sach’s “The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat”? There are neurological explanations for the craziest things. Part of Roger’s frontal lobe works differently than most’s.

    NickYF March 14, 2006, 12:11 pm
  • Whether or not the guy moved out of the way, I do think Schill’s to blame for this one. Not only for the comments, but for the fact that he’s been intentionally throwing high and inside to start with this spring. He hit a college kid in the head earlier this month. One’s an accident, two is starting to look trend-ish.
    I appreciate that he’s trying to regain control of an area he thinks he’s lost some control of, but for Pesky’s sake, Curt, aim low until you know what the hell you’re doing.

    Boston Fan in Michigan March 14, 2006, 12:14 pm
  • The fact is Shilling pitched lamely. Gave up tons of hits and runs and hit a guy in the head. Since Shilling’s ego is large and frightening, he decided to “come away with” no blame for his lack of control.
    He’s a dick (meaning he was probably meant to be named Richard).
    The best part was his quote about how people that play with him know that he plays the game the way it’s suppossed to be played.
    That’s some Dolph Lundgren as Drago in Rocky IV type thinking.

    walein March 14, 2006, 12:33 pm
  • This picture might explain it: “Let me give you some advice: NEVER accept blame for ANYTHING.”

    Earl March 14, 2006, 12:53 pm
  • Can we agree to sum this up this way:
    Kind of stupid guy. Really stupid comment. Sort of Damonesque, but in reverse.

    SF March 14, 2006, 1:11 pm
  • First, Johnson’s led the league on at least a couple of occasions in hit batsmen and is notorious for throwing inside – one of the reasons he’s been so successful over the years (not to mention a blazing fastball and insane slider).
    Just wanted to let you know that RJ has lead this twice in his career and not since 1993. As a matter of fact the Yankees haven’t had a pitcher on their roster that has lead in this stat since 1950. In the last ten season’s the red sox have lead this 4 times.

    Jeterluva March 14, 2006, 1:58 pm
  • In the last ten season’s the red sox have lead this 4 times.
    Three times. And two of those times were Wakefield – that should come to a surprise to nobody. (A HBP by Wakefield also has to be one of the least painful HBP’s in baseball; I’d take 10 of those rather than getting hit by Johnson once.)

    Earl March 14, 2006, 3:17 pm
  • So, what’s the over/under of PA before Damon gets beaned? <10 sounds about right depending on the rotation. Or will they go right at him to start the game?

    Nate March 14, 2006, 5:41 pm
  • Three times.
    No if you go back to 1995 as this season hasn’t started so it was not used in my 10 year analysis. The pitcher to lead in 1995 was Roger Clemens as a red sox pitcher.

    Jeterluva March 15, 2006, 8:49 am
  • “How many Yanks fans actually believed Roger when he said he thought “the bat was a ball”? ”
    Earl, you ever read Oliver Sach’s “The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat”? There are neurological explanations for the craziest things. Part of Roger’s frontal lobe works differently than most’s.

    Wait, so how often has Roger picked up a batted ball and thrown it right at the runner chugging down the first base line? This isn’t kickball, for god’s sake. This one doesn’t fly, Nick, however weird Sacks thinks the brain works.

    SF March 15, 2006, 9:02 am
  • No if you go back to 1995 as this season hasn’t started so it was not used in my 10 year analysis. The pitcher to lead in 1995 was Roger Clemens as a red sox pitcher.
    Let’s see, if you include the 1995 season, you’d have to count 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997, 1996, and 1995. Sorry, but that’s eleven seasons.
    Ten vs. eleven seasons is a minor point I know, but it’s always fun to point out things like “Yankees fans aren’t good at counting”.

    Earl March 15, 2006, 10:57 am
  • SF, you’re clearly out of your area of expertise here: Roger mistook Piazza for a wild bear. In turn he thought the bat that was tossed his way was a spear. He threw it at the bear who he thought was going to attack him. At least that’s what I think he said in the post-game.

    NickYF March 15, 2006, 11:03 am
  • that should come to a surprise to nobody.
    And red sox fans can’t write properly that should come as a surprise to nobody. Or even better that shouldn’t come as a surprise to anybody. I can be a nit picky baby too.

    Jeterluva March 15, 2006, 11:17 am
  • And red sox fans can’t write properly that should come as a surprise to nobody. Or even better that shouldn’t come as a surprise to anybody.
    Um, what? Were those even sentences?

    Earl March 15, 2006, 11:22 am
  • And two of those times were Wakefield – that should come to a surprise to nobody. (A HBP by Wakefield also has to be one of the least painful HBP’s in baseball; I’d take 10 of those rather than getting hit by Johnson once.)
    This was your posting.

    Jeterluva March 15, 2006, 11:30 am
  • Yes, I know, given that I wrote it. Look, I’m not going to get into an argument about grammar (though there was nothing wrong with what I wrote). I simply pointed out that a post you made, in which you were clearly trying to imply something negative about the Red Sox organization, was factually inaccurate.
    Bye!

    Earl March 15, 2006, 11:41 am
  • Now, THIS might be nitpicky, but a lefty getting plunked by Randy Johnson, who is 6’10 and throws 97-98mph versus a righty getting hit by a 6’1 Schilling 90mph straight fastball are two completely different things. No excuses for Schilling’s stupid comment, I made clear how I feel about it above, but the two situations are very different, one being much more dangerous than the other.

    SF March 15, 2006, 11:41 am
  • Bottom line is both are dangerous. Schilling is an asshole and all those who defend him need to remember this if infact anything happens to a red sox player. My point is all those who are defending schilling now should not be outraged if some one from the red sox organization was to be in the same situation as the Pirates batter was. But I’m sure that wouldn’t happen right. I know here’s a solution let’s have Randy throw a high heater at Schillings head and see if he can “get out of the way.” Maybe he would try to keep his mouth shut after.

    Jeterluva March 15, 2006, 11:59 am

Leave a Comment

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

Next post:

Previous post: