What’s Bad for the Goose

Rich Gossage says what many outside Yankeeland can’t without being pilloried: Joba needs to chill.

73 comments… add one
  • SF, does Papelbon need to chill too?
    These same could words could be written for him. Anyone saying bad about him outside of “soxland” would be crapped on too.
    How about Manny? Should he stop looking at his HRs?
    This whole thing is completely over the top with the coverage. Im basically sick of it at this point. Big deal the guy pumped his fist.

    Sam-YF May 13, 2008, 10:43 am
  • Let it go Goose…times have changed. This isn’t the 70’s anymore. He sounds like one of those old guys always pining for the “olden days”. I really could care less what he thinks…

    krueg May 13, 2008, 10:44 am
  • What I find a offensive is SF mods posting inflamatory linkbait.

    A YF May 13, 2008, 11:04 am
  • Sam, you are correct. They all need to stop. It’s nothing more than showing guys up. Joba, Papelbon, K-Rod, Manny, and the rest: All are showing a lack of respect for their opponent. There is no difference between any watching the HR, or doing a stupid spin on the mound, screaming, and pumping the fist after striking out a batter. Celebrations, if at all, should be at the very least saved for something important and meaninful. Manny jacking Mike Mussina’s 79mph garbage fastball should not be admired under any circumstances. The same goes for Joba, Papelbon, and the rest of them. It’s why cheap shots are taken in the NFL.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 11:11 am
  • So, that link would have been okay to post as long as YF or Nick had put it up there?
    What’s the difference? It’s not as if SF quoted himself as saying “joba needs to stop the party he throws while closing out the eigth inning”..

    Brad May 13, 2008, 11:16 am
  • Eh, it’s a generational thing, I guess. Personally I would rather they didn’t, but now that it’s more difficult to self-police (with easy suspensions) people are getting away with more.. maybe.

    Lar May 13, 2008, 11:46 am
  • To me its all about consistency. There have been threads here with people defending Manny and Papelbon’s actions which is fine if thats what you believe. But it should be no difference what uniform someone is wearing…
    That said, I do think there is a difference between pitchers and hitters reactions. Papelbon and K-Rod always seemed to bother me less than Manny and others watching their HRs from the plate. Chalk it up to personal preference I guess.
    (it seems i have just directly gone against what i said in the first paragraph oh well!)

    Sam-YF May 13, 2008, 11:54 am
  • I for one do not care who posted this SF or YF…it’s a story.
    As for Joba’s fist pumping, I am not a fan. I am also not a fan of Papelbon’s antics, K-Rod’s antics or Manny pimpin’ when he hits a HR. Baseball is a funny sport your actions seem to always come back and bite you in the arse. Sometimes you can go all summer without giving up any runs then one day the bugs swarm and you look like Ricky Vaughn, before the prescription glasses. This game is hugely based on respect and long standing traditions and I think that’s why some players have issue with what he (Joba)does. I don’t think Joba is intending to show anyone up, he’s just a fiery kid. I think what bothers people the most is that he is a pitcher. The battle is one on one until the ball is hit. Striking him out means you just beat him on that at bat. Even with all that said though I don’t support it, nor would I want my sons acting like that or have any of my players act that way. But that’s all personal choice.

    John - YF May 13, 2008, 12:05 pm
  • I agree, John. If my son showboated in that kind of way, I’d sit him immediately. No matter if it’s showing up the batter or the pitcher, it’s not right to do either. It’s no different than the winner of the Boston Marathon to turn and laugh at all the participants who come in thereafter for not being able to beat him. It’s not good sportsmanship.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 12:17 pm
  • The unfortunate part is that it trickles down to the kids. Now I am not saying it’s Joba’s fault HS kids showboat, it’s sports on the whole. There is such a fine line between enjoying what you’ve done and showing up the other team or even the game. On Saturday my team was playing in a tournament and one of my players hit a HR. As he is rounding second (at the pace of a snail) he starts pointing to his dad in the crowd. Needless to say it didn’t sit well with the pitcher. It may sound corny or cheesy or whatever you want to call it but this game has (unwritten) rules and when they are broken people get pissed and you can’t blame them. There really is no right or wrong, but personal choice.

    John - YF May 13, 2008, 12:26 pm
  • i saw a Joba clip on espn where after he struck someone out he was beating his chest like a gorilla.

    Ric May 13, 2008, 12:37 pm
  • Right – cause Tiger Woods showboats. Michael Jordan too.
    This is absurd. I’ll be clapping with my kids when they celebrate their accomplishments. And if the losers take it personally then they should learn to win.
    And any responsible mod would have let this story pass. It’s a meaningless discussion exactly because there isn’t a right way to play the game.

    A YF May 13, 2008, 12:40 pm
  • Personally, if my kid (in 2017) hits a homer in a little league game I want him to do the moonwalk around the bases. I plan to be on the field doing the Robot. When he crosses home plate, I have a choreographed dance planned. First the synchronized Roger Rabbit. Then the Kid-n-Play Houseparty routine, complete with us jumping over our knees, and backwards leg crossing at home plate. One can only hope that Martin Lawrence is DJing the game and he is obsessed with people knocking his records out of their place.
    I am on a streak here. Two posts. Two Martin Lawrence mentions.

    Nick -YF May 13, 2008, 12:45 pm
  • I just posted the link – it was not meant to be inflammatory from my side of things. It is not reasonable to think that SFs can’t post about the Yankees, or vice versa. It was a headline story on ESPN and involved a Yankee legend criticizing a Yankee player, certainly a reasonable topic for discussion at this site. Had a Sox player or former Sox player criticized Joba it would be fair game, but also extremely borderline considering Manny, Paps, etc., as mentioned above. I offer no opinions of my own in this post, and that was done exactly because it was not meant to be antagonistic. It WAS meant to start a discussion.

    SF May 13, 2008, 12:48 pm
  • “It’s a meaningless discussion exactly because there isn’t a right way to play the game.”

    John - YF May 13, 2008, 12:50 pm
  • “And any responsible mod would have let this story pass. It’s a meaningless discussion exactly because there isn’t a right way to play the game.”
    Why doesn’t it deserve a mention? I don’t get this. Why does the mere mention of a controversy make a moderator at a baseball site irresponsible. Let’s pretend that this site is a metaphorical baseball game where all the posters are hanging out in the same section. Does every conversation have to veer away from controversy? Should every conversation be an insightful discussion of stats? or roster construction? Or on-the-field baseball subjects?

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 12:51 pm
  • Or conversations involving Martin Lawrence?
    3 out of 4.

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 12:52 pm
  • Nick, you should try and find a way to incorporate the “Cabbage Patch” also. That is always a big hit!

    John - YF May 13, 2008, 12:54 pm
  • I never could figure out how to do the Cabbage Patch. Does the left leg go back on the off-beat?

    Nick -YF May 13, 2008, 12:56 pm
  • It’s a meaningless discussion exactly because there isn’t a right way to play the game.”
    Really? I was always under the impression that there was. I mean, from my Babe Ruth days, right up through the college, I thought there was a way to win or perform well without being a dick about it. Guess I was wrong.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 1:10 pm
  • I guess there are people who like Chad Johnson, and people that want a hard hitting safety to teach him a lesson in humility.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 1:12 pm
  • “Why doesn’t it deserve a mention?”
    It’s a dead horse. A responsible mod knows this well. SF only posted to it to inflame the YFs along well-trodden lines. Next….

    A YF May 13, 2008, 1:14 pm
  • I honestly have no problem with players showing emotion in big moments, as long as its not malicious like the Eckersley point or the Mutombo finger wag. When Paps or Joba celebrate, I don’t feel like they’re showing anyone up. K-Rod seems a little more standoffish in his antics, but that’s probably just my own interpretation.
    I like when players show some exuberence – especially the young ones. In fact, I think if anything the young guys should get a little more rope because it’s all new to them. I was baffeled a couple years when some people got on Lastings Milledge for clebrating his first MLB homer.
    Oh and I love Goose, but his comments just seem off. I mean, he played on all those Bronx Zoo teams – it’s not as if his teammates were the classiest of winners.

    Mark (YF) May 13, 2008, 1:28 pm
  • SF only posted to it to inflame the YFs along well-trodden lines.
    No, I didn’t.

    SF May 13, 2008, 1:34 pm
  • I’m with Mark. I like to see emotion in players. I like Jose Reyes’ dancing moves. I don’t mind Joba’s antics. I do get pissed off by Paps and Manny, but only because they’ve got the wrong uniform on. I’m sick and tired of Jeter’s robotlike vanilla-ness. Besides, Jeter does the fist pump – isn’t that showing up someone too?
    Come on, people! Above all, sports are meant to entertain. Asking your players to show nary a drop of emotion is sucking the life out of that entertainment. Seriously, who the f*** cares if Joba pumps his fist or screams or moonwalks all the way back to the dugout? If you’re an opposing player and don’t like, beat him on the field. Big Hurt said it best, “If you strike me out, you can do whatever the hell you want.” (Or something to that extent).

    yankeemonkey May 13, 2008, 1:42 pm
  • There certainly is a right way to play any sport. Any parent watching their kids grow up and compete knows this. I frankly have trouble imagining how one could argue otherwise. It’s like saying there is no such thing as ethics. Just because something isn’t legislated by rules and penalized by an authoritative body does not mean it isn’t real. Otherwise there would be no such thing as ethics or morality except what is enshrined in law.
    Having said that, I see a difference between emotion boiling over and pre-planned celebratory demonstrations. Would I prefer pitchers to be Mo-like in victory and defeat? Sure. But let’s also admit that when a pitcher who does not have Mo’s exceptional track record acts like Mo (calm and placid regardless of whether he wins or loses), he often gets tagged with not being “fiery” enough, not caring enough, etc. And that goes in all sports and even for great players – just ask Peyton or Eli Manning about their reputations pre-Superbowl victories. Or Tim Duncan pre-championship victories.
    For young athletes trying to establish themselves in the league early on in their careers it’s a hard and nebulous line to find, which is why vets on the team should help them find it. And I don’t mean vets like K-Rod. Goose is helping Joba find it. I don’t know why he had to do it in the media though and that’s my only beef with this story. Joba seems to respect his peers and elders. A direct but private talking-to from Goose, Mo, etc. would probably have been just as effective without calling the kid out and fueling the anti-Joba mania outside of NY.
    Oh, and Brad: “It’s no different than the winner of the Boston Marathon to turn and laugh at all the participants who come in thereafter” was such a great image I had to laugh – thanks for that.

    IronHorse (yf) May 13, 2008, 1:52 pm
  • IH:
    Are you still emailable at Yahoo? If so, check your inbox.

    SF May 13, 2008, 1:58 pm
  • I don’t see the problem with playing with emtion? I don’t think anyone thinks that Joba does his thing to “show anyone up”…he doesn’t even do it every trip out. He does it when he feels it, which is the point. If that what it takes for him to be great…fine by me. Same with Papelbon and Manny. That’s who they are, that’s what makes them, well…them. I certainly don’t want to watch a game full of stiffs that show no emotion or don’t get pumped after doing something that feels good? What are we people, a bunch of robots? Are we so sensitive? Individuality is what makes sports, art, music, life, etc. interesting…

    krueg May 13, 2008, 2:04 pm
  • I’m a fan of emotion, as well, and have defended Paps and Manny in the past.
    I wonder if it’s not overly braod to say: “You can’t criticize Joba unless you criticize Manny and Paps.”
    Does Papelbon scream at the end of the eighth inning when he needs to get a four-out save? Does he scream and pound his chest? It seems he reserves his fist pumps for the final out of the game — and even then, he doesn’t do it every time. I don’t watch every Yankee game, so I don’t know what Joba’s routine is, but I’m under the impression it’s after every inning-ending out, regardless of context, and that, together with the extreme nature of his reactions, does seem like it’s a bit much.

    Paul SF May 13, 2008, 2:09 pm
  • I think that if Joba was actually the closer, and not just another bullpen guy, this would probably be overlooked. I do think guys who are closers are given a free pass on this issue, but the fact that he’s followed by a guy with the emotional outpouring of an ice cube, he takes heat for it.
    It will be interesting to see how the reaction changes when he’s starting, and guys are getting the chance to face him a few times a game.
    And no, Papelbon will throw the fist down, or let out a scream only every now and then. I paid particular attention to this just the other night against Minny after he blew the one the night before, and after hearing Mike and The MadDog talk about it all day.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 2:14 pm
  • Times have changed and people are more emotive than they were in Gossage’s day. Remember Tug McGraw? Mark Fydrich? Al Hrabosky? They were pretty emotional for their day. Joba is a fired-up kid. I don’t think he’s trying to show up anyone. He’s excited about the game. Let him do his thing.

    nettles May 13, 2008, 2:20 pm
  • Paul but this is the exact type of parsing that I was waiting to hear from SFs. I understand your point to an extent but I dont really think that there can be a defined time when emoting is proper and when emoting is not. Joba’s job is the 8th inning, Papelbon the 9th. They are showing emotion after completing their jobs. Also, its only Joba’s first season, I assume, like Papelbon, that he will chill as he gets older. Papelbon did beat the crap out of something in the dugout last week after blowing a save in a largely unimportant game. This is the opposite of an overblown fist pump but very comparable.
    As far as the comparison’s to Manny, he has stared down HRs in countless meaningless situations as well. (ie vs moose last month) He gets the excuse of Manny being Manny. Why cant this just be “Joba being Joba”? if this is what he needs to do to get himself fired up to pitch well, then so be it. Many SFs here would give the same defense if he had a B on his cap.

    Sam-YF May 13, 2008, 2:27 pm
  • Doesn’t intent play a part in the discussion? We can posit that there is an absolute right way to play the game, just as we might suggest that there is an absolute ethics, but then we are left with the counter relatavist argument. Say you grew up in a neighborhood, country, what have you, where the prevailing way of playing the game was to be emotional and celebratory when you did well. And everyone around you basically thought this was the norm. Well, then you come to the big leagues and there are people suddenly who played the game differently and they have announced themselves keepers of tradition and the norms. Hey, you didn’t mean to offend. You were just playing it according to your ethics. If you were purposely transgressing the norms, then you’re a pervert, um, I mean your position is less defensible.
    Joba grew up in Nebraska where they play football and men hold in their emotions until they burst out. Forgive him his sins.

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 2:29 pm
  • I think this story is great. Gossage’s comments are best read when immediately followed by a watching of this video (well, listening actually because it’s only audio). This audio is not safe for work. Or kids. Or the fragile or infirm. Or for Gossage to ever open his yap about “The Yankee Way” ever again.

    attackgerbil May 13, 2008, 2:30 pm
  • Thanks AG that was awesome….
    After hearing that, we can basically toss everything Goose said out the window. Its typical BS, people telling others how they should and shouldnt act and not living up to the same standards themselves.

    Sam-YF May 13, 2008, 2:35 pm
  • also, I do agree with Sam to a large agree about parsing the differences between Papelbon and Joba. Perhaps there is a small qualitative difference between the histrionics at the end of a trike-out, but Papelbon makes that face every time and there’s no way anyone back in Goose’s days did that:) Now I’m parsing. But I do think both are highly emotional players who can rub opponents the wrong way.

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 2:35 pm
  • SF: Got it – just replied. Tx.
    Krueg, just to be clear, there are two issues (for me at least):
    1. Is there a right way to play? Or put another way, are there any boundaries?
    2. If there are, is Joba crossing them?
    On # 1 I say an emphatic yes.
    On # 2 I think it’s debatable for the same reasons you and others cite. Showing emotion is both part of the fun for fans to watch and also a natural result of any competitive activity played at the highest level. These guys are amped at the moment of peak competition. Seeing it expressed can be fun and in many cases is totally natural.
    I think it is fair to say 3 things:
    1. Each sport has a culture that is based less on rules and more on history and tradition. In football no one blamed Joe Montana or Brett Favre for giving the touchdown sign and jumping on their receivers when they threw a touchdown, even if it was not game-winning. In baseball it is considered rude for a player to act similarly after hitting anything other than a game-tying or winning HR.
    Then again, even this has its limits and some sports-culture lines need to get crossed. If Tiger wasn’t so emotional I’m not sure I’d enjoy watching him as much as I do. The fact that he is not directly competing with another guy makes it seem less like he is showing anyone up when he throws his hat down or does the multiple rapid-fire fist-pump. And yet his sport is probably the one with the greatest culture of restraint, so is he the biggest d*#k of them all? I don’t think so.
    2. These demonstrations are all subjective so they lend themselves to debates around where the lines are in each sport. All of them are being challenged by the ESPN highlight era of celebrating and hyping the most emotive and demonstrative players.
    3. Most fans are much more lenient on their team’s showboats than they are on another team’s.
    But I really do object to the notion that there are no lines and there isn’t a right way to play. That just seems to throw traditionadn culture completely out the window for every sport and I think it is overkill.

    IronHorse (yf) May 13, 2008, 2:37 pm
  • I look at this issue like that famous adage about pornography: you know it when you see it. When K-Rod screams and points to the sky after giving up a game-tying rally but escaping NOT giving up a game-losing rally I find it funny, perhaps inappropriate but also OK because it exposes more about the person than anything else – I don’t find it offensive. It is why I don’t find Joba particularly offensive nor Paps nor Manny. But I also agree with the idea that there is a “right way” to play the game. In hockey, which until expansion was a great love of mine, the “right way” involved not spearing guys in the nuts when the ref wasn’t looking (a la Ken Linseman) but rather clean, sometimes vicious, hits by guys like Cam Neely. In baseball, Manny staring at a wondrous drive is far less offensive than beanballs at Youk’s head or Julian Tavarez suckering a guy at the plate. There’s a relativism at work, along with shifting contexts and definitions. It’s impossible to say “right or wrong” with this issue, almost ever, even if you know it when you see it.

    SF May 13, 2008, 2:39 pm
  • Off-topic, sort of – the great thing about Tiger Woods (and I absolutely adore watching Tiger Woods, no matter how well or poorly he is striking the ball) is that his emotion is nearly always commensurate with the context of what he has accomplished. He is uncannily tuned into his own game, the context of any given round, and how what he has done impacts his standing and the field’s. He is an astounding athlete on every level.

    SF May 13, 2008, 2:42 pm
  • Oh, and as for having the celebration be reserved only for a game-ending K, I will call your attention to that bizarre Yankee-Sock game last month, where ARod’s AB against Papelbon in the 8th inning with a tying run aboard was rain-delayed for like 2 hours. Remember that one? Well, I also distinctly remember much hollering, pounding of glove, etc, when ARod struck out on 3 pitches. So, yeah.

    yankeemonkey May 13, 2008, 2:42 pm
  • where ARod’s AB against Papelbon in the 8th inning with a tying run aboard was rain-delayed for like 2 hours. Remember that one? Well, I also distinctly remember much hollering, pounding of glove, etc, when ARod struck out on 3 pitches. So, yeah
    There’s no guarantee that Paps knew it was the eighth inning and not the ninth. During the delay he may have easily forgotten. He’s not the brightest bulb!

    SF May 13, 2008, 2:47 pm
  • Ah, but it’s hilarious to think that Tiger doesn’t play the game the right way. Seems like a bunch of white stiffs had a problem with his fist pump when he started winning.
    Even more hilarious that the story here is Joba when the biggest sports story of the day is on the football team cheating at every turn in Foxboro. And Walsh made clear they knew what they were doing was wrong. Hard to play the game the right way when you know you’re not.

    A YF May 13, 2008, 2:48 pm
  • this is a baseball site. It’s played with a white ball and a wood bat. Football, on the other hand, is different.

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 2:51 pm
  • It’s played with a white ball and a wood bat
    or sometimes a pink bat!

    SF May 13, 2008, 2:53 pm
  • You want baseball?
    I love how when the Sox players act and look like buffoons, the easiest tack is to just call them that. From the length of their hair to the pinetar on helmets, I find the whole act classless. At least pretend to have some dignity and self-worth – you know like the game deserves your respect. You dress like a homeless person when you’re homeless. And even then I’ve seen more sense of cleanliness from homeless people than I have from recent Sox ballclubs.

    A YF May 13, 2008, 2:54 pm
  • Wow, A YF, wow…
    Didn’t you just finish telling us there wasn’t a “right” way to play the game?
    If you feel that way, then nothing the Red Sox do should bother you.
    The recent Yankees have had plenty of buffoons buddy, take off your pinstriped glasses.

    LocklandSF May 13, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • You dress like a homeless person when you’re homeless.
    I didn’t realize my grandfather posted here.

    Paul SF May 13, 2008, 3:03 pm
  • So your point, A YF, is that SF posted an inflammatory thread and that this whole thread would be filled with antagonism. Yanks fans would be pissed, and there would be inevitable clashes. And what results? Everyone, except for you, is civil even while expressing differing viewpoints.
    So maybe for threads like this, you should stay away.

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • A YF:
    Your comment dated Tuesday, May 13, 2008 at 02:54 PM is out of bounds. Please do not persist.

    attackgerbil May 13, 2008, 3:08 pm
  • The Yankees at least know how to look like professionals.
    I love how the Sox equipment manager, for years, has been told specifically not to clean the batting helmets. The organization as a whole wants to look as disgusting as possible – from the players to the stadium to the monkeys in suits. That’s somehow become a virtue.
    And yes, these points are only helpful in showing the absurdity of this whole discussion. Meanwhile, none of any of this has influenced who won championships. The lack of ethics in Foxboro however…

    A YF May 13, 2008, 3:12 pm
  • My god A YF, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or what?
    You are one seriously bitter NY fan right now, maybe you should sit out a few rounds, pull it together.

    LocklandSF May 13, 2008, 3:15 pm
  • “And yes, these points are only helpful in showing the absurdity of this whole discussion.”
    I knew Ionesco. I worked with Ionesco. You are no Ionesco. Keep the absurdity to the absurdists.
    Anyway, whatever.

    Nick-YF May 13, 2008, 3:21 pm
  • Where’s the surfboard? Because A YF has officially jumped the shark.

    Paul SF May 13, 2008, 3:25 pm
  • What? We can critique player’s reactions, and others’ critiques of those reactions, but we can’t dissect how some players dress for the game like they’re wearing pajamas after diving into an oil slick while not shaving or getting a haircut for years? I would argue pretty forcefully that if the former matters so does the latter. Too bad I believe neither.

    A YF May 13, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • i think no-mustache policies are extremely advantageous so the future of baseball, as a whole, in its entirety.

    Ric May 13, 2008, 3:26 pm
  • What was the distinction between an 8th inning and 9th inning fist pump again?

    A YF May 13, 2008, 3:28 pm
  • OK, trying hard here not to get baited in by A-YF since he’s just being ridiculous. But to all the other people here having a rational discussion on the “right” way to play baseball. I admit I don’t like the Joba fist-pumping and there is at least some part of it that has to do with him wearing pinstripes, but not all of it. I love watching Manny play, we named our first fish “Manny”, and I still tell my Little League team not to act like Manny when they hit a long ball. “What? You’re Manny Ramirez now?” is now what the kids say when a teammate watches his hit instead of running.

    rootbeerfloat May 13, 2008, 3:31 pm
  • A YF: second request. Please desist.

    attackgerbil May 13, 2008, 3:32 pm
  • Where’s the surfboard? Because A YF has officially jumped the shark.
    Wasn’t it on a motorcycle?

    SF May 13, 2008, 3:38 pm
  • Some quick Internet research tells me it was actually waterskis. My bad.

    Paul SF May 13, 2008, 3:54 pm
  • I’d be willing to bet that Posada’s spending his rehab downtime furiously scrubbing the pine tar off his batting helmets after reading this insightful thread. Wouldn’t want to lower himself to Manny’s standards and all… ;)
    Come on A YF. We get along here…save it for Boston.com or the Daily News boards.

    nettles May 13, 2008, 4:18 pm
  • Seems to be a pretty good split in this discussion…some like it, some don’t. Either way, it’s not going away so what do we do? Nothing. You guys root for Papelbon going nuts after a game and Manny staring for days at his HR’s and we’ll jump up and fist pump and spin when Joba strikes out the last guy in the eighth!! It’s all good.
    What about Cano and Melky? They go pretty crazy in the dugout and on the field after the game? Is that “bush” too? Just wondering what people think about that…

    krueg May 13, 2008, 5:04 pm
  • We don’t care about guys who are hitting .200

    Brad May 13, 2008, 5:22 pm
  • I’m kidding of course, before any of you get all emotional and call me names, and say that I’ve been exposed or any other such nonsense. It’s from a couple years ago when Varitek said of A-Rod “we don’t purposely hit guys who are hitting “x”” Can’t remember exactly.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 5:24 pm
  • Yes – Jason Varitek calling out A-Rod’s hitting abilities was a rich one…

    IronHorse (yf) May 13, 2008, 5:34 pm
  • Ahhhh…there’s that awesome sense of humor Brad. Thanks for your opinion.

    krueg May 13, 2008, 8:24 pm
  • and there’s the cynical, over-the-top, all too predictable personal jab, Krueg. Feel better now?

    Brad May 13, 2008, 9:48 pm
  • Half a page of page of posts from a guy who probably can’t tie his own shoes, and you take a jab at me. Funny.

    Brad May 13, 2008, 9:52 pm
  • At least he is man enough to write what he thinks (as if writing in an anonymous blog is manly) and not hide behind “jokes”. You just come in with your jabs disguised as “jokes”…like I said before, awesome. Would have been nice if you could have written an opinion on the question but alas..
    Who is “we” anyways? Are you speaking for all SF’s now?

    krueg May 13, 2008, 10:54 pm
  • We should have more of these kinds of potential flame-war topics. They draw more posts than game day threads these days. :)

    SoxFan May 14, 2008, 3:55 am
  • Actually, I gave my opinion at the very first part of this thread through several posts..
    It was a joke, but you can get all defensive about it if you like. As soon as I posted it, I though: “I better qualify that as just playing around” because I knew Kreug would get all teary eyed, cry about the mods and the SF bias, call some names, insult intelligence, and persist with the holier-than-thou, it’s not funny, Brad attitude.
    Whatever, Guy.
    As far as the “we” is concerned, I qualified it as quoting something Varitek said…so no, I’m not speaking for all the fanbase.

    Brad May 14, 2008, 9:36 am
  • OH…I see what you did. You actually passively-aggressively (aka Brad-style) made fun of Cano AND Arod…BRILLIANT! You are so hilarious bro…man, you should get on Last Comic Standing, really, I think you have a bright future!
    Here is a Denver columnists opinion of the matter if anyone cares:

    krueg May 14, 2008, 10:43 am
  • Come on, Brad, cut the crap. You are no better than those you might accuse of baiting or who are baiting when you do stuff like this.

    SF May 14, 2008, 10:58 am

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