Why I Don’t Gamble (or run a baseball team, or write professionally, or…)

Theo needs to consider a new manager in the offseason. Tito’s handling of the pen tonight was beyond awful. Again. Not having Paps warming with Gagne imploding? MDC for ONE out? Incompetent. In the last week he’s singlehandedly created a pennant race. 

-Posted by: SF | Tuesday, September 18, 2007 at 09:51 PM

…This team, as I have been saying for WEEKS, even when they had a ten game lead, is troubled, big time. It’s finally somehwat redeeming that someone else might be seeing what I saw long ago…

-Posted by: SF | Sunday, August 12, 2007 at 07:29 PM

There’s more in the archives, but I couldn’t subject myself to the search.  On the other hand, I did stick by JD Drew for the entire year, and also picked the Sox to go to the World Series way back in March.  Game threads turn even the most empirical fans into raving lunatics, I guess.  Lesson learned.

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  • For anyone interested, MLB.com is running live coverage of the Red Sox rally today..you have to sit through the first couple minutes of MLB promotions and news, but then it picks up the NESN feed.
    It’s actually pretty darn good, and live, so anything could happen. ha.

    Brad October 30, 2007, 11:52 am
  • It’s funny that Manny Ramirez is the one holding up the whole thing..he’s not there yet, and they aren’t leaving without him.
    Count me in as those who think that he probably went home and could give two shits about the parade or the fans.

    Brad October 30, 2007, 11:53 am
  • Manny thinks he was traded two years ago to the Mets. He’s looking for a parade in New York right now. Really confused.

    Nick-YF October 30, 2007, 12:11 pm
  • Hey SF, was it in a game thread when you argued vehemently that Paplebon would be more valuable as a starter?
    I daresay things might have turned out differently for the sox with Pineiro or Gagne as closer.

    Andrews October 30, 2007, 12:48 pm
  • Why aren’t they putting the duck boats in the River this time, I wonder?
    My guess: Some insurance company said no frickin’ way.
    Let’s hope no one gets beaned this time.
    Also: Has Tavarez been sighted? He disappeared after the ALCS, and unlike other non-roster players did not seem to be around…

    Anonymous October 30, 2007, 1:17 pm
  • Note: If I weren’t a Sox fan, I’d find Papelbon completely insufferable. As it is, I just think he’s a superfreak.

    Hudson October 30, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • Andrews:
    Working on digging. I was a proponent of Paps in the rotation, though it was before the season, the Papelbon discussion. It was always qualified by injury-risk, though, so it’s not as bad, at least in my memory.

    SF October 30, 2007, 1:26 pm
  • Ok, here goes, from a quick cursory search:
    Not too terrible at all, but also admittedly tinged with hyperbole (re: Theo and the bullpen, at least considering Okajima’s performance).

    SF October 30, 2007, 1:35 pm
  • I’m a huge Yankee fan, and I absolutely love Terry Francona. The man has earned everything and is just a phenomenal manager. The way he’s handled the pen and the rotation this year has been top notch. Red Sox fans be ecstatic to have that guy in their dugout (and they are).

    CHEA SON October 30, 2007, 1:47 pm
  • I just set some sort of record, left the office at 1:05, made a bee line for Bromfield & Tremont, pushed my way to the front, saw the entire victory parade, hit Wendy’s for Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers and made it back by 1:50!
    It was great to see all the guys one last time, in person, before the long winter.
    Don’t be too hard on your self SF, we all have our serious moments of doubt.

    LocklandSF October 30, 2007, 2:13 pm
  • SF, Too busy to search, and not to beat a dead horse, but I remember going at it with you mano a mano over the (paple) issue sometime during the winter – around the time of the NFL playoffs, perhaps?
    True, as I remember it was mostly qualified with injury risk.
    Basically just busting your chops :)

    Andrews October 30, 2007, 2:23 pm
  • Oh, I know I went at it about Paps, but that was all when the Sox said he wasn’t physically able to be a closer.
    I think in principle though I stand by my position that a great closer is less valuable than a front-line starter. But obviously I now know that the principle is sometimes trumped by circumstance.
    And I don’t mine having my chops busted: I busted them myself in this thread!

    SF October 30, 2007, 2:28 pm
  • I agree with you completely on the principle, SF, and I still think, on some level, that Pap should be a starter. Indeed, why not have Pap start and have Buck close? It’s the old Weaver way of breaking in young pitchers. And since Buck can’t throw 200 innings next year, it’s seems he could be a dominant two inning guy.
    Still, I know Pap wants to close. And that would seem to trump all else, especially since he’s fantastic at the role.

    Pete October 30, 2007, 3:01 pm
  • // why not have Pap start and have Buck close? //
    Because you don’t mess with a good thing?
    I mean, we know with 100% certainty that Papelbon is a phenomenal closer.
    We have no idea if he’s able to pitch 6-8 innings effectively, and to do so without getting injured mid-season. He can get 3-6 outs with some regularity, we know; whether he can get 20 every five days is unknown.
    I suppose the Sox could try it, but again: Why mess with success?

    Anonymous October 30, 2007, 3:47 pm
  • ^^ me ^^

    Hudson October 30, 2007, 3:48 pm
  • Well, Pap threw 68 innings this year (regular and post-season). That’s a waste of his talent. I could also imagine them trying to stretch him out with more two inning appearances.

    Pete October 30, 2007, 3:52 pm
  • Not really related to anything but…I find myself being really happy for Red Sox fans today. I think it’s because they’re getting a sense of what it was like for us about ten years ago, more or less, and it gives me butterflies in my stomach, even though it’s happening to somebody else.

    tom yf October 30, 2007, 3:58 pm
  • // Well, Pap threw 68 innings this year (regular and post-season). That’s a waste of his talent. //
    Yeah, and all he got was 37 saves and a World Series trophy… such a waste!

    Hudson October 30, 2007, 4:58 pm
  • I’m happy for Drew. Really, I am. And I have high hopes that both he and the other major Sox 2007 acquisition (DiceK) will have big seasons next year.
    That said:
    If one were to pick a Sox starter (or even role player) at random next April and decide to “stick with” that player no matter what, it is a virtual lock that before the end of the season, something would happen that one could point to as “vindication.”
    Like the way I picked Bobby Kielty to be crucial to the Sox in the postseason. OK, I just made that up. But you get the idea.
    The only player that I don’t think anyone picked/predicted to be huge this year was Okajima. I’m trying to remember if anyone on this board, or in the sports media, had an intuition that he could be huge…

    Hudson October 30, 2007, 5:05 pm
  • Come on, you know what I meant. And who’s to say he doesn’t get that ring throwing 200 innings as another very good starter behind Beckett?

    Pete October 30, 2007, 5:08 pm
  • lockland- you went past Sidebar. do you ever go in there? thats my place three days a week before/after class.

    Ric October 30, 2007, 5:21 pm
  • Ric, I’ve been there from time to time. I like that you have a bar the you go to BEFORE and AFTER class.
    I like your style.

    LocklandSF October 30, 2007, 5:31 pm
  • Man, the first thing my wife said after we won was that I couldn’t go to the parade this time. ‘once in a lifetime’ and all that. So I missed it, dangit. Anybody going to post some pics?
    I’m so disappointed. :( The ’04 parade was so incredible..

    bostondreamer October 30, 2007, 5:47 pm
  • Pete: What reason do you have to believe that Paps would make as great a starter as he is a closer, and that Buchholz can fill his shoes?
    I seem to recall that Mariano Rivera was a mediocre starter at best… The two jobs are completely different, obv.
    The assurance that a great closer brings to the whole team, the way a great closer allows a manager to manage the rest of the pitching staff, can’t be overestimated.
    And unless Paps is pushing to start, why mess with near-perfection?

    Hudson October 30, 2007, 6:01 pm
  • I remember expressing some optimism that Okajima could be serviceable-to-good because of unfamiliarity. Dunno if that counts though, since he was obviously much better than that, with familiarity having nothing to do with it.

    Paul SF October 30, 2007, 6:10 pm
  • It’s a bit different with Mariano, Hudson, because he failed as a starter before he established the cutter. Plus, the worry was that he’d have trouble holding up.
    I’m not advocating the Pap switch. But could it really hurt to try it for half a season? Or why not stretch him out more to two inning or more stints? Nothing says he absolutely has to be limited to one inning jobs three times a week. For next year, why not 100 – 120 innings?
    And how do I know he’d be good as a starter? Obviously I don’t. But he’s been so dominant so far, I have to imagine he’d put up decent numbers (3.50 – 4.00 ERA). That would make him the number 2 in the rotation.
    Point is: He had no injury concerns this year. They’ve got him managed well, now it’s time to see what more he can give.

    Pete October 30, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • “I like that you have a bar the you go to BEFORE and AFTER class.”
    between you and me, ive been there BETWEEN classes on occasion (catch a quick inning and a bud)

    Ric October 30, 2007, 11:28 pm

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