Wrapping It Up: Sox-Yanks Gamer XVIII

Now this is the kind of series we expect between the Yankees and the Red Sox. Yesterday’s blowout was somewhat atypical in its one-sidedness, even if it did feature a retaliatory HBP and warning of the benches, but Friday was vintage drama. The rough equivalent of that April 20 game when Coco Crisp’s game-tying triple off of Mariano Rivera highlighted a 5-run eighth inning, a game Boston ended up winning 7-6 en route to a series sweep at Fenway Park.

So now we go into Game 18, the rivalry’s final regular season meeting of 2007. It feels like a bit of a throwback to years past, with two dinosaurs towing the rubber. More then any season in recent memory, 2007’s felt like a season of youth and the passing of torches, but tonight features two starting pitchers with a combined age of 85: Roger Clemens, 45, and Curt Schilling, 40. The last time these two squared off, as I’m sure we’ll hear 300 times over the course of tonight’s ESPN broadcast, was Game 7 of the 2001 World Series.

Clemens comes into tonight with his health very much in question, having told reporters just five days ago that an MRI on his elbow revealed internal bleeding and ligament damage. He’s thrown a couple bullpen sessions since, but it’s still hard to know what to expect in his first start since a September 3 drubbing by Seattle.

Schilling hasn’t won since he beat Chicago on August 24, but he’s recorded quality starts in four straight tries, including a game in the Bronx. Curt’s strikeouts are down along with his velocity, but he’s sported the same fantastic control we’ve come to expect and seems to be getting by while pitching to contact. Still, the stuff isn’t the same anymore, and it’ll be very interesting to see if he can handle the league’s best offense twice in a little over two weeks.

I wouldn’t be terribly surprised–though fairly disappointed in Curt–to see this turn into Joba vs Buchholz sometime around the fifth or sixth inning, which would be ironic, symbolic, and memorable for a bunch of different reasons I probably don’t have to lay out. And in a battle of the bullpens both teams appear to be well-stocked; I refuse to lose faith in Papelbon, who should be available with Gagne, MDC, and Buchholz waiting in the wings. New York should have Mariano, Vizcaino, and Chamberlain; maybe Torre will decide to use Farnsworth in a close game, too!!

In any case, history is on Boston’s side: New York leads the season series 9-8, so a win for the home team would even it all up. And doesn’t that just feel right?

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Mike Lowell, 3B
5. J.D. Drew, RF
6. Jason Varitek, C
7. Eric Hinske, 1B
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Julio Lugo, SS
— Curt Schilling, SP

1. Johnny Damon, LF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Jorge Posada, DH
6. Robinson Cano, 2B
7. Melky Cabrera, CF
8. Doug Mientkiewicz, 1B
9. Jose Molina, C
— Roger Clemens, SP
 

826 comments… add one
  • Interesting that Giambi gets the day off instead of Jorge here, esp. after last night. Giambi’s defense at first was awful over the first two games: he cost at least 2 and possibly 4 or 5 outs. On the otherhand, he ignited that run off Okajima. You’d think Joe would have gone with a more defensive lineup with GB-prone Wang on the hill (though he didn’t throw his usual quotient, so whatever). Anyhow, Yanks certainly have some serious lumber on the pine in this thing: Matsui, Giambi, Betemit. Also: what happens if they want to pinch for Molina, and the game extends? Do they give up the DH? Hope we don’t find out.

    YF September 16, 2007, 7:24 pm
  • Also, nice summation Josh. Thanks.

    YF September 16, 2007, 7:25 pm
  • Go Yankees!! Go Bolts!!

    bloodyank78 September 16, 2007, 7:46 pm
  • Damon in left, leading off.
    Ellsbury in left, leading off.
    Awesome.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 7:55 pm
  • With Detroit winning, this is definitely more of a must-win for New York. If only the Sox could have won Friday… The Yanks would have a half-game lead staring them in the face.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:03 pm
  • First mention of the ’01 Series in the books.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:05 pm
  • Oh god.. this game is on ESPN. Dies this mean I havce to deal with Joe Morgan? Maybe I’ll kill myself.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • I hear Jon Miller. Hope Joe Morgan’s plane got cancelled.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Derek Jeter: having a Jeter-like year.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:10 pm
  • Based on the series thus far, the Yankees are down to five, maybe six batters, that I could say scare me. Cabrera hasn’t been impressive, Cano swings at EVERYthing, and Minky/Molina is a nice reprive for Schilling.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:11 pm
  • Joe Morgan is talking! Arrrrgh!
    Another 2001 mention.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Before this series began, when I suggested the Yanks were still in a playoff dogfight, SF scoffed. Unfortunately I was right. And thank you very little Johan Santana!

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:12 pm
  • Ugh, I wanted to watch both games at once in our living room but my roommate decided to paint today and the place reeks. So instead, Pats in my bedroom which doesn’t get ESPN. Dammit.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • First pitch, G38 to Judas: Called strike.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • AT least this game should give some material for FJM. One of my favorite baseball blogs.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Cano doesn’t scare you? I guess you missed that shot friday night. The thing is still airborne!

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:13 pm
  • Oof. Scary. Pedroia hangs on.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • OH god… that was scary. Drew and Pedroia collided. But the ball IS caught.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • A) Why was Pedroia that far into left field; and B) why did JD Drew run into him?

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:14 pm
  • Demon flies out, with Drew taking out Pedroia.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • If Cano had hit that shot against a guy who wasn’t clarly gassed and giving up rockets to everyone, then sure. He looked awful against Daisuke, who wasn’t exactly throwing a perfect game himself.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:15 pm
  • aaaand Jeter man-love by Morgan begins. “He’s the captain and wants to set an example. You have to play hurt in S=ptember.”
    Jeter hits a hard-smacked single off the wall.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • Jeets! Fenway single off the wall. When he pulls it, that’s a good sign for Alex.
    Ripped. 2b anywhere else.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:16 pm
  • “FJM”
    Has anyone followed FJM to Mike Pagliarulo’s new blog Baselinereport.com? There’s some high comedy going on over there.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Did Morgan say the Sox gave Lowell his gold glove before the game, “which was a little unusual.”
    You think? Considering he won the Gold Glove in 2005?

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Whats this about Lowell winnign a Gold Glove ‘before the game’? Did I miss something?

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:17 pm
  • Oh I missed that Joe is an idiot. Ok.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:18 pm
  • K there for Schilling.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Curt Ks Abreu, 2 gone.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • Yeah, Morgan must have misunderstood the ceremony. Considering Lowell won his Glove with the Marlins, there’s no way the Sox would be having a ceremony for it.
    Nice K of Abreu.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • “Has anyone followed FJM to Mike Pagliarulo’s new blog Baselinereport.com? There’s some high comedy going on over there.”
    I think I read that after someone else linked to it, either Baseball Musings or mlbtraderumors.com In any event…he and Joe Morgan could make the dumbest babies ever.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:19 pm
  • In response to YF, I am going to post this, which I put in a buried thread. Surely nothing is decided, but YF is acting like the Yankees aren’t in an extremely good position w/r/t the Wild Card, which they most certainly are.
    The Tigers are not likely to catch the Yankees. They have four left against the Twins (probably one against Santana next week), and three against the Indians starting tomorrow. They are down three in the loss column. Meanwhile, the Yankees spend a good deal of time against the Orioles (who are in utter tatters, with Bedard and Guthrie, the major thorns in the side of the Yanks, done for the year) and the Devil Rays (and who knows if Kazmir will be shut down in the last week of the season, for innings purposes). I think it’s highly unlikely the Tigers pull it out.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Inning over, ARod grounds out to short.
    Time for the the other Geezer to come to the mound.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • A-Rod grounds out, thnak god.
    Time for Clemens.
    Also, time for someone to fire Joe Morgan

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Alex had a hittable one there, and grounds it to short. Props to Schil, but Yanks had a chance for 2-0 there. Damn.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:20 pm
  • Schilling looks sharp so far.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • A-Rod grounder erases Jeter, 3 outs.
    Noted: 13 strikes, just 3 balls for Schilling.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:21 pm
  • Props to Schil, but Yanks had a chance for 2-0 there.
    “Passive Agressive YF” in the hizzouse tonight! We haven’t seen this since “Dice-K, hey, it was the Royals“. Welcome back!
    ;-)

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • The Yankees do have a losing record this year against Baltimore/TB, though without looking I’d bet Guthrie, Bedard and Kazmir are responsible for a fair number of those…

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:22 pm
  • Schilling hit 92 mph a couple of times in that inning, according to MLB.com, which is higher than I’d been given to expect…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:23 pm
  • Clemens’ fastball a tick faster than Schilling’s tonight.
    DAMON!! Thank you!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • Impertinent youth! Ells!

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • Ellsbury on on a Damon mistake. an error? Yes.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • Damon with a play out of the Ramirez playbook for left fielders.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 8:24 pm
  • …someone want to explain how that happened? Please?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • If Clemens’ arm detaches like a broken bat, should a Sox player pick it up and throw it right back at the pitcher?

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Tough catch to make. I’d bet they rule it a hit. You have to do a lot wrong to get an error as an outfielder nowadays.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Heh, Damon fails, apparently unused to the lights at Fenway. Joe Morgan also fails, trailing off in his explanation of why Damon didn’t make the catch.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Innocent on that KC/Dice comment. And innocent now!
    Meanwhile, looks like the Yanks brought the B defense tonite.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • Lots of pickoff attempts with Jacoby. Not suprising

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:25 pm
  • I think that’s about as far as Dusty can hit it the other way…
    Well struck, but that’s a big right field. Too high.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Hard hit, byut an easy out. Ellsbury went too far so he couldn’t tag.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:26 pm
  • Reading FJM’s take on Pags’ blog was painful enough, I don’t think I could handle the real thing.
    Ellsbury running at will. I love it.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Ells steals second. This guy is exciting, no question.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Safe! Ellsbury steals!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:27 pm
  • Papi might have swung at Ball 4 there.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • Ellsbury’s stock just keeps climbing…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:28 pm
  • There’s ball four. 2 on.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Papi walks. Roger (maybe) not happy. Lowell up.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Two on, and Clemens is pissed. :-D Go ahead, Roger, lose that composure!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Yikes. Down the middle on 3-0 to Papi. THAT coulda been 2-0. ({assive aggressive now. SF?).
    Why not just put him on.
    And Roger barking after the walk. Take it.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Pats up 7-0 on Brady TD pass

    Rob September 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Ellsbury is going to get adjusted to, no doubt, but this is certainly enjoyable, and he’s clearly quite talented. Very exciting times, these, with Dice, Ells, Dusty, Paps, Manny, etc.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:29 pm
  • Ellsbury dancing off second. Awesome looking.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • The 3-0 looked outside edge to me, YF.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Ells tests Damon’s weak arm and WINS!
    1-0!!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • SOX!!!!
    1-0
    Ellsbury running like a cheetah!

    Rob September 16, 2007, 8:30 pm
  • Ellsbury tests Damons arm and beats the throw by a mile. I’m grinning ear to ear already!

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • This is what happened yesterday. Yanks made mistakes to the middle of the Sox order, and paid for it.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • I thought A-Rod was gonna get to that one. He seemed to dive OVER the ball.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • Ro-ger chant going very strong at Fenway.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • welcome home you money grubbing bitch….1-0 sox.
    HAHA wrko said about the run scored…
    “ellsbury’s great speed, and damon’s weak arm got him home”

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:31 pm
  • JEll scores from 2nd on a single past ARod into left, as Damon can’t get him.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Ahh, this is a nice start. Lowell comes through for the Sox to take a 1-0 lead just moments after Ben Watson catches a touchdown to make it 7-0 Pats. Yay!

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Almost, JD, almost.
    Sox not being fooled much here.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • oo Drew just short of wall-ball fun.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Wow, Drew hits a popup that comes very close to being a single/double, thanks to the Wall.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Damon looking shaky on the Drew fly. But 2 outs. Would be nice to get out of this with just the 1.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • He definitely went right over the ball. Possible that Clemens’ hefty frame obscured his view. ;)

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • raaaahhhhhh gaaaaaaaa

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Here comes Tek to kill the rally.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:32 pm
  • Yanks made mistakes to the middle of the Sox order, and paid for it.
    Actually, the big blows were by Hinske, Crisp, Ellsbury.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Here comes Tek to kill the rally.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Beautiful play by Minky. Hell of a snag there.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Minky!!!!
    Joe’s move pays off there.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Wow. What a play for Doug. That was almost 3-0 there.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Haha! And then Roosevelt Colvin intercepts Phil Rivers’ FIRST pass on the FIRST play of the game!
    But Varitek does what Varitek’s been doing all week and strands a pair.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Well, he killed the rally, but no fault of his own. Great play by Mientkewicz to save at least one run.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:33 pm
  • Very nice play by Mientkiewicz. Tough luck for Tek.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • I don’t really care that Tek had a nice play made on him: he hits nothing but grounders, popups, or strikes out. He’s so worn out. Hopefully the Sox can clinch a few days early and get him a little rest. He needs it. He’s piling up the LOB like mad.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • No blame for Varitek there. He hit it damn well.
    As for Tek in general… anyone else see him as Manager of the Red Sox in ten years?

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • But Varitek does what Varitek’s been doing all week and strands a pair.
    That’s not really fair, that would have easily been a double if Giambi was at 1B.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:34 pm
  • Yeah, but that’s a line drive that happened to bounce once. I know he’s sucked, but that’s a hit either of the last two nights.
    Clemens: Lots of pitches, and the three outs were either scalded or deep.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • “As for Tek in general… anyone else see him as Manager of the Red Sox in ten years?”
    I can see him as Gabe Kapler’s bench coach, since Kap’s ahead of him on the managerial depth chart. :-)
    In all seriousness, I think Kapler’s going to manage somewhere. Early reviews of his time in the minors are very positive, though I have no links available at the moment to prove it…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • dio:
    Tek would be a great manager for the sox in a while IMO…easy transition, been a soxplayer for most of his career, one of the only captains in the team history….he’s got my vote.

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:35 pm
  • Manny bears a striking resemblance to Turk from “Scrubs” with that hairnet/do rag thing.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Jorge a fly.
    Making life easy for Schill here….

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • I miss Giambi already.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:36 pm
  • Again, I can’t actually watch the game…I’ve only got the Pats down here.
    Patriots go 3 and out after the pick; Gostkowski misses a 41 yarder for no apparent reason. Dammit.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • look at the bright side, at least mink didn;t get knocked out :D

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • What?? Alex Cora is the smartest man in baseball! How dare you consider any current or former Red Sox over him!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:37 pm
  • “As for Tek in general… anyone else see him as Manager of the Red Sox in ten years?”
    Before Tito took over, I thought that Tek could have been an option as player/manager, providing the Sox had brought in an old hand as bench coach.

    Ayuh - SF September 16, 2007, 8:38 pm
  • Schilling used to get Ks on that high fastball on the 0-2 count. Now he’s getting popups and grounders. It’s amazing how this seemed to happen almost overnight.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Another nice play from Pedroia!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Tek evidently missed the memo that everyone else got: “Hit it at Johnny.”

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:39 pm
  • Speaking of the Mientkiewicz for Giambi sub – am I mis-remembering, or did Schilling give up a HR to M. the last time we played?

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • ROY stabs Melky’s grounder, inning over.
    Schilling: 19 strikes, 3 balls now.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:40 pm
  • Ugh, Dane Cook. How did MLB go from having Don Cheadle as the ‘face of October baseball’ to this douche?

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Minky hit a homer against Schilling in May, Jackie.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • There’s only one October and they spell it incorrectly?
    How many SFs out there just traded allegiance to pinstripes after that Dane Cook spot? Awful.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:42 pm
  • Cook:Soxfans :: Federline:Yanksfans

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • I had this fantasy the other day. 10 years in the future. Red Sox lead Yankees 2-1 in the 7th, thnaks to a clutch double by Team Captain Jacoby Ellsbury. Clay Buchholz is on the mound and has just given up a 2-out double and is laboring.
    Patting hitting coach Robo-Ortiz on the back (David was injured in the Great Xygon War and is now a cyborg.. still has the smile!), Manager Jason Varitek trots out to the mound to meat with Buchholz and his catcher. After a few choice words, Tek goes back to the dugout.
    Buchholz then sits down the Yankee batter on a sweet K.
    Sox go on to win!
    Only bad part? The game was on ESPN and beign called by the somehow still employed Floating Head of Joe Morgan.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • I still can’t figure out why it’s spelled “actober.” Anyone help?

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • He gave up an important homer to Dougie M at some point, you’re right about that. Last time Curt faced NY he gave up 2 solo shots to Cano, which were the only runs he allowed. I think the game we’re thinking of was on May 23, a game Boston wound up losing.
    That ACTOBER thing comes from a contest MLB is having where you renact a memorable moment in baseball history and send in the video. Get it, ACTober. I guess they thought it was clever.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • Adding my $0.02 to the discussion from yesterday – I’ve finally seen that Hinske/Posada play (several times) and it looks perfectly clean to me. Hinske’s elbow hit Posada’s arm, nowhere near his neck.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:43 pm
  • YF complained a bit in the car ride home about the Hinske play, but it was clearly a clean, physical play.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • Bad Coco! No swingign at the first pitch!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:44 pm
  • We had a big argument about the Hinske hit here last night. Nobody really ever seemed to agree. All the Yankees and their coaches said it was clean, though…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Thanks for the explanation of the Actober thing. That is terrible.
    Also, good to know I wasn’t hallucinating that HR. I just remember thinking “oh man, Schilling must be cooked if M. can launch one off him…”

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • I will admit that I thought Hinske looked like he gave Posada a bit extra elbow high from where we were sitting, but with the replays it was fair, and the Yanks have conceded as much. Just hate to see Jorge take that kind of hit. And then to let the next run in anyway? That was a killer.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:45 pm
  • Lugo draws the walk. He may try to steal

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • The replay shows clearly that Hinske’s shoulder is against Posada’s face — NOT his forearm, so there’s really no argument that I can see.
    Lugo walks.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:46 pm
  • Nice, Lugo walks.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Having now seen the replay for the first time (in addition to seeing it live), it’s clear that the play was just a massive homeplate collision. Hinske came in clean, Posada made a totally great play. Nothing dirty about it, at all. Torre, Giambi both went on the record as saying it was perfectly clean, from what I read this morning.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • I remember thinking the exact same thing, Jackie…
    Roger pitches around the terrifying Julio Lugo? Coco tried to hand him a quick inning, but he politely declined. How nice of him.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:47 pm
  • Damn. Right at Dougie. SHould have taken that pitch.. Lugo would be on second.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Thanks for the explainer, Josh. They should have at least capitalized the ACT in their ads. All it does is make them look stupid.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • That was easier. Melky, Minky, and Molina…Go Ms!

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Bad Jacoby! No first pitch-easy-outs! Ugh…
    So it ended up being quick and easy after all.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Is Minky going to end *every* inning?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:48 pm
  • Paul:
    actober.com
    you re-enact yrou favorite scenes form the history of octobers provided with clips form MLB.com and other teams. I think you win womething or not. however I must admit it is cool to see the youth of america getting into actober and making movies about the storied history of baseball.

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:49 pm
  • “Go Ms!”
    Just reminded me…if they were anyone but the Seattle Mariners, think about what people would be saying about Seattle right now. Imagine if that were Boston or Philly or one of the NY’s…talk about a collapse of epic proportions. I mean it was easy to see coming, given their rotation and Pythag, but still…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:50 pm
  • Minky!

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Sh*t. Dougie is on first. Damn damn damn.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Minky with the early lead for the set of post-game steakknives and/or gift certificate to Snyder Leather.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Molina made a good bunt. RUnner in scoring, one out. My stomach churning.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:51 pm
  • Damon giveth, let’s see if he can taketh away here.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • Molina sac bunt moves the runner over.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:52 pm
  • 3-2 on Damon. Schillign struggling.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • That was… close.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Wow, Damon looked safe on that one.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • No way!!!!! Damon = safe

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Whooooa. Close play. I think we got a GIFT.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Randy Moss!! A 25-yard strike! 14-0 Pats!

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:54 pm
  • Looked safe to the naked eye, at least here in Brooklyn.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Damon looked safe

    Rob September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Damon was safe. Definatly. Huge break.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Bad call.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • And, the naked eye has it. Bad call.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Curt goes to 3-2 against J.D.(amon), who then grounds out, Hinske scoops it, Torre arguing, Minky to 3rd.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • Damon was definitely safe. I hope the baseball gods don’t decide to get even later.

    Ayuh - SF September 16, 2007, 8:55 pm
  • lucky break by the sox there…

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • Huge gift there. That’s practically a run. Esp. with Jeter up.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • I can’t stop saying “Mangenius” for some reason.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • I have a horribel feeling about this game. Prove me wrong Curt… but your command is slipping.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:56 pm
  • makes up for the HR turned double :p

    TheTree1918 September 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Jeez, Dio, cut Curt a little slack.

    SF September 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Drew makes the catch. Whew.
    NO. Papi is NOT coming up. Pedroia is. Come on Jon.. dont be Joe-like.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Was that as scary as it looked on Gameday?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • Schilling out of it. Thanks, umps!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:57 pm
  • So, now we just need to score a whole bunch so nobody can argue that that call was the difference-maker in the game. :/

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • >>>Schillign struggling
    Geez, the guy is at 35 pitches and just two baserunners through three, and has thrown 27 strikes to just 8 balls… Against this lineup, I’m *very* pleased so far.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Greetings friends. Was in baseball-following-hell yesterday. At family friends’ house that turned out to have NO TV, NO internet, and TERRIBLE radio reception. Deliverance Part II.
    The only thing worse than Sterling/Waldman = Sterling/Waldman with plenty of static.
    As it turns out, the way the game went, I was happy to not be able to follow.
    Crappy call at first. Feel like I have seen more bad calls this year – on all sides – than in recent memory. Frustrating

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Did Joe Morgan just insinuate that bad calls happen in Boston on a frequent basis? This isn’t the patriots. Fire Joe Morgan.

    cbc September 16, 2007, 8:58 pm
  • Sorry SF. Im an incurable pessimist. My stomahc is really chruning. I literally feel like I might vomit… ever since Minky singled.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Dio, he had Damon struck out on the 2-2. Not sure what you mean by command slipping. If you mean he’s unlikely to throw 17 out of his next 20 pitches for strikes, then sure, his command is “slipping.”

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Yanks completely robbed here. That’s a horrible blown call. Seriously. Not even close. And with the big guns coming up. Not right at all. The breaks don’t even out in late September when there’s a playoff spot on the line. That’s just a huge f*ck up.

    YF September 16, 2007, 8:59 pm
  • Just short of the wall AGAIN. Dammit, Dustin. First pitch?

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • Joe said consistant! *adds a tick to the board*

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:00 pm
  • So am I correct in my estimation that Roger’s getting a whole ton of very loud outs? (Even if some are only loud because of the Monster) Pedroia twice, Drew, Tek apparently…?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:01 pm
  • No need to be so nervous, Dio… Schill’s looked really good in his last couple outings and I think he’s doing well tonight. Looks much better than Roger, anyway (in my humble opinion).

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Blaming the ump is a loser’s gambit. These things invariably even out. (Now watch the Sox get robbed, and watch me b!tch like crazy!)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • oooo Papi swings through air. Damn. Roger looking strong, aided by Dustin and Coco.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:02 pm
  • Josh – yeah, lots of loud outs. Several of those just shy of the monster, though, so not *so* loud.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • Man, we really need Manny back.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:03 pm
  • I wouldn’t say they *always* even out. Sometimes a blown call is a really big deal… if the shoe was on the other foot I’d be completely furious.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Lowell Ks. Innin over. I feel sicker and sicker.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • Yanks completely robbed here. That’s a horrible blown call. Seriously. Not even close. And with the big guns coming up. Not right at all. The breaks don’t even out in late September when there’s a playoff spot on the line. That’s just a huge f*ck up.
    In the voice of Artie Lange, WAAAAAAAAAH.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:04 pm
  • More like it. A couple of Ks, and Rocket looking decent. 1 unearned in 3.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Colvin again! Sack! Rivers fumbles and New England’s Vince Wilfork recovers!
    I guess Clemens is settling down…10 pitch inning, 2 K’s.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Gah, Lowell Ks, too. Inning over.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:05 pm
  • Pats recover a Rivers fumble on a Chargers drive. 14-0 Pats still, ball on the Chargers 45 now.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Yeah, like SF wouldn’t have been apoplectic if it happened the other way! Please! Pot meet kettle. You’re both black.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • >>>I wouldn’t say they *always* even out.
    Over a season? I’d say so. These teams play 18 games.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Clemens, other than a couple of loud outs, looks darn good.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:06 pm
  • Pot meet kettle. You’re both black.
    How original!

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • >>>Pats recover a Rivers fumble
    Belichick secretly obtained all of the Chargers’ fingerprints, see…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:07 pm
  • What’s next, YF, a Dane Cook or Ben Affleck joke?

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • Adalius Thomas for the Pats to the locker room with a lower back injury. Doubtful for the rest of the game.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • Oh God.. its A-Rod. I need a trashcan…

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:08 pm
  • But seriously, the Sox have capitalized when the Yankee pitcher have put men on base in front of the heart of their order. That’s what good teams do. The Yanks were in a position to do that there, and they lost the shot for not just one run, but a big inning. Now, yeah, we’ll never know, and they have plenty of opportunities, there was no guarantee they would have scored, it’s the breaks of the game. Fine. But that’s still a potential game-changer.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • God Sterling/Waldman are insufferable. Sounds like both old men are pitching well. Let’s see whose back gives out first…

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:09 pm
  • I suppose over the course of a season – I thought you meant over the course of a game or series.
    Even so, I’m not gonna criticize anyone for being pissed about a blown call… just because I can recall a few that made me want to punch things/call WEEI.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:10 pm
  • So the difference between major and minor leagu shortstops.. is that major leaguers can catch more difficult plays?
    GASP!
    I never THOUGHT that a major leager would be better than a minor leaguer. Thanks Joe!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Someone get Dion some Dramamine…
    Abreu flies out, 9.
    ARod grounds out, 6-3.
    Posada flies out, 8.
    Quick inning for Curt, 8 pitches, now at 34 strikes, 9 balls. I’m impressed.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:11 pm
  • Certain blown calls suck worse than others. One with runners on in close games with the heart of the order of the strongerst offense in baseball coming up – yeah, that sucks more than a missed strike call in a blow out. But I won’t blame the game on it no matter what happens.
    What I really don’t get is why there seem to be more obvious-to-the-naked-eye missed calls this year than I can remember in pretty much any previous season. I really think the umpiring across the board has gotten worse somehow. Or maybe it’s just a bad year.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:12 pm
  • Here’s a good way to watch the game if you can’t deal with Joe Morgan: Picture in picture, Pats/Chargers on the big screen, Sox/Yanks on the little screen. Al Michaels ain’t too bad, though Madden rarely strays past cliche at this point.
    Or, if you don’t care about the Pats, do it with a DVR’d Curb Your Enthusiasm, Ace of Cakes, Top Chef, etc.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:13 pm
  • Fair enough, Jackie…
    ——
    >>>God Sterling/Waldman are insufferable.
    At least we won’t have to hear him say, “THE GI-AM-BI-NO!!” tonight.
    Sterling seems to aim his play-by-play at the junior high market.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • On HD, Torre looks like an Orc

    Ric September 16, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • >>>more obvious-to-the-naked-eye missed calls
    HDTV, maybe? ;^)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:14 pm
  • >>>On HD, Torre looks like an Orc
    He’s been “hanging” with Tavarez.

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Roger calls for a conference.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • What I really don’t get is why there seem to be more obvious-to-the-naked-eye missed calls this year than I can remember in pretty much any previous season.
    I blame expansion.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:15 pm
  • Better yet, watch the game with the audio from the Emmys.
    … or am I really the only girl here?

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • Sterling’s call on the Ellsbury low-slide-under-Posada yesterday had both YF and I laughing on the car ride home during WFAN’s updates. I think Sterling said, excitedly, that the throw was “in time!”, then a break, then “he’s safe!”, then a pause, then “the throw was in time, but he didn’t get the tag down”, to cover his own ass. Technically right, but the modulation in his voice portrayed nothing like what happened.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:16 pm
  • J.D. Ks.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Will Tek ever get another hit…

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:17 pm
  • Drew sturck out looking. Perfect pitch by Roger. Drew should have swung.
    Im gonna miss Taverez when he’s gone. So many fun jokes will be taken away from us. Orc jokes. Freddy Krueger jokes. Homicidal voodoo maniac jokes…
    Now.. what.. we’re jsut not swinging anymore?

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Pats 17-0 2nd quarter.

    Tom sf September 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Pats up 17-0.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Mr Splitty gets Tek. That was nasty, nevermind Tek’s troubles.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Clemens gets his 4th K in a row. Well.. we bette rbe abel to stop the Yanks cause we ain’t getting any more runs.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:18 pm
  • Tek goes to 3-2, then remembers he’s toast at the plate and whiffs.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • “I really think the umpiring across the board has gotten worse somehow. Or maybe it’s just a bad year.”
    If MLB were testing umps for uppers too, that could explain the rise in brain-fart calls.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • Minky’s play looming large now. Clemens looks to have settled sugnificantly.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • Hinske up…should be 5K’s in a row.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:19 pm
  • >>>Orc jokes. Freddy Krueger jokes. Homicidal voodoo maniac jokes…
    Don’t forget: Head-rubbing jokes. Porn career jokes…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • I agree with the blown-call sentiment. I also feel strike zones have been more noiceably inconsistent, not from umpire to umpire, but by the same umpire in the same game.
    Jeter misplays but recovers to catch Hinske’s floater.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:20 pm
  • Wow. Great play by Jeter.
    This is gonna end in tears. The yankees are ON.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Jeter with a Mario Bros Super Jump.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Jeter going for the poster shot. Made that more complicated than it had to be.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • SF: the previous night, on a ball hit over Melky’s head, he screamed “He caught it!”, and then, “No, it falls – it bounced off Melky’s mitt”, to which Waldman said (and she usually doesn’t embarass him like this) “the ball went over Melky’s mitt and hit the wall” and after a few seconds Sterling responded, “well, the ball skimmed off the tip of the glove” (!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!). Ridiculous.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Tek now 1 for his last 31 with 15 whiffs.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:21 pm
  • Dio: you are among the most doom-and-gloom-expecting Sox fans I have ever encountered on the web. You guys are winning and your guy is pitching well!

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Sorry, that’s 2 for 31. Didn’t mean to make Tek out to look worse than he’s been…

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • Did he just misread that ball or did he read it well enough to know how to make a nice jump for it? The conspirator in me wonders.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:22 pm
  • SF and I sat through about 54 hours of sloppy ball in 2 days. And now they’re just cruising through this. Grrr.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Hinske at least makes contact, but lines/pops out to the Gold Glover at short. [snort]
    Clemens has more Ks, but Schilling’s pitch count is better so far: 58 vs. 43. If the Sox get an extra inning out of their starter, that could be the difference…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Jeter should have caught that ball, then run straight over towards the stands at full speed and vaulted into the crowd, bloodying his lip. Gold Glove voters everywhere would be mark their ballots immediately.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:23 pm
  • Cano with a shot over the monster.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Blech. The Wall giveth Cano a homer.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • So what was that you were saying about Cano, Paul?

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Tie game. Bleck. Sox are gonna lose.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Good job Robi, phewww!

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Or, the difference could be gopher balls (as Cano equalizes it with a dinger).

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • SF and I sat through about 54 hours of sloppy ball in 2 days. And now they’re just cruising through this. Grrr.
    I don’t recall much sloppy ball from the Sox yesterday, YF.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:24 pm
  • Dio, you seem like you need an anxiety med of some kind. :) I feel oddly calm about this game… I don’t think anything that happens today could be worse than Friday’s debacle.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Hudson: I feel OK with two innings of Joba and one of Mo – if we get there of course.
    Cano – heartbeat reaching woolly mammoth levels – rounds the bases. Way to go Mr. smooth.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • >>>Tie game. Bleck. Sox are gonna lose.
    Someone get Dion some Valium *and* some Dramamine.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Schilling always does that. Except for the near-no-hitter, he seems incapable of avoiding the one or two solo homers that ensure a no-decision or a loss in a tight game. Maybe it’s just my perception, but I almost posted today wondering aloud which Yankee would hit the homer to ruin his outing.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:25 pm
  • Cano completely owns Schilling, apparently.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • “…And now they’re just cruising through this. Grrr.”
    Thank God YF, I can barely keep my eyes open. I need a quick one. I was at the Meadowlands this morning at 7:45 for a 1 O’Clock game.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:26 pm
  • Hudson – I was saying the same thing, except that Typepad wouldn’t let me say [brand name prescription medication]. I’m not spam, I promise…

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Cano looks like a little-leaguer flailing away in roughly %60 of the ab’s I’ve ever seen him take. The rest of the time he hits the ball hard. Which is why I can’t stand watching him…
    If that’s the only run Curt allows and he doesn’t get the win, I’ll be more then a little surprised.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • Great inning except for the homer that looked like a popout if this game were in da Bronx. Figures. Always happens.
    Oh well, tie game and Clemens’ pitch count is up.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • >>>Jeter should have caught that ball, then run straight over towards the stands at full speed and vaulted into the crowd […]
    Heh, SF..
    Curt gets three quick outs after the homer. 51 pitches through 5, incredibly efficient so far.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:27 pm
  • 1 run thru 5 for Schill. Nice outing, to say the least. And he’s going strong.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • Innign over, but damage is done.
    I just.. I cant deal with Red Sox-Yankees. September is the WORSE month for me stress wise. Even October is easier.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • he seems incapable of avoiding the one or two solo homers that ensure a no-decision or a loss in a tight game.
    This seems a little accusatory, and kind of unfair. Is Schill responsible for his offense keeping games tight or low-scoring? He’s pitched five innings of one run ball against the best offense in all of baseball. What more can we ask for, a perfect game? This seems quite unfair to me as a criticism, at this point in the game.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:28 pm
  • At least Coco didnt swing at the first pitch…

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Which is why I can’t stand watching him…
    I can’t stand watching him because, though he’s a hell of a talent, he walks around the field like he owns it. Yesterday after making an out he literally walked off the field from near first to the dugout after running through first. The game had to wait for Robi to make it back to the bench. He comes off as a total d*ck, though he may, in fact, not be one at all.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Crisp-Lugo-Ellsbury coming up… The speediest Sox.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • Well, it may be unfair, but it’s my perception. I didn’t say it was rational. It just always makes me wince and think, “Man, if it was even just a double, the Sox win the game.” Ah well.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:30 pm
  • SF, as ever, picking nits for no reason.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • Truly not being a d*ck here, but I am out of the loop…What’s the status of Youk?

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:31 pm
  • God.. they keep talkign about how it might be Clemens’ ‘last start at fenway’. Seriously.. why even bother talkign about it? We’ve talked about it BEFORE. OTHER years. Just drop it until he actually retires, then we can look back.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • SF, as ever, picking nits for no reason.
    Man, if I had a tape of your running commentary over the last two days, I could take this comment down in no time. Alas, the tapes have been destroyed.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Roger is looking pretty damned good. I was sort of expecting the end of his career tonite, with bleeding ligaments, etc.
    Of course, I heard that Roger was spotted at a paint store before his MRI, purchasing red paint…

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Damn. No luck at all. Lugo with the liner right at Mientkewicz.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • Contusion, Trisk.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • STOP SWINGING AT THE FIRST PITCH!! ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:32 pm
  • 24-0 Pats on a 60 yard interception return for a TD.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Not an accusation, but I have the same perception. One or two bad pitches frequently seem to decide the game against Schilling.
    JI- JIM THOME has a walkoff for his 500th HR. Nice.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Dion, my problem with October is that I can’t make the long hours before a postseason game go fast enough.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Adalius Thomas back in the game for the Pats just returned an interception 65 yards for a TD.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Any idea of how long he is out for SF?

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • Youk’s got a contusion, according to the Sox. Has the day off.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • No idea, Trisk.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:33 pm
  • I’ve noticed that too, SF, but that’s more about him as a player…I just don’t like his approach at the plate. Free swingers in general sort of irritate me. I wouldn’t enjoy watching him in a Sox uni either, believe me. Crisp often seems to take a similar approach…but given the D, he gets a little bit of a pass.
    Youk’s out with a badly bruised wrist. No breaks, supposedly. I’d assume he doesn’t play again until the end of the week.
    INTERCEPTION!!! Adalius Thomas picks a 3rd and 1 pass and runs it all the way back for the TD! 24-0 NE, extra point pending!

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Pats 24-0

    Tom sf September 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Why the heck did you swing at THAT for striek two, Jacoby? That was way out of the zone.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Thanks guys.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • I didn’t realize how much Yankee fans hated Youkilis until I read some of the LoHud and Banter reax to the HBP. Very little concern about whether he was actually hurt. A lot of vengeful rhetoric.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:34 pm
  • Clemens beats Ellsbury to the bag. Did NOT think I’d be typing that sentence tonight.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • Bang bang play at 1st, Ellsbury out.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • WOW. Taht was one hell of a foot race. Great call by the ump.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • YF will not have to worry about monitoring the nits I pick: I am off to an internetless bedroom for some shuteye (and a little baseball, probably).

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:35 pm
  • Inning over, Roger at 70 pitches.
    I like our chances OK tonight, actually. Right now this game is a complete toss-up. Schilling could throw a complete game at this rate.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:36 pm
  • That’s what’s great about this place Paul, even Yankee fans were concerned about Youk yesterday. For the most part we aren’t the d*cks you find elsewhere ;)

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • >>>Very little concern about whether he was actually hurt. A lot of vengeful rhetoric.
    Yeah, I’ve noticed that, too… Why is that, YFs? (I’m trying to remember some game when Youks got a walk-off homer or something, but nothing comes to mind.)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:37 pm
  • True that, Trisk. The tone here is always far different than the illiterate banshees at LoHud, especially.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • Any YF’s care to explain how Youk ended up a target for YF’s ire? I don’t really get it, unless it’s about the emotion he shows after K’s and the like.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • Paul: I think he’s prone to talking in the press. Cliff Corcoran, over on BB, who is not one to easily throw stones, referred to him as the Greek God of Squak, a riff on the walk name.
    As for this YF, I’ll root for any Jew in the majors. Also, i hated to see him writhing on the ground yesterday. I want the Yanks to beat the Sox fair-and-square, with full rosters. It’s disappointing we’ve missed Manny this series. Last thing I want to see is Youk hurt.
    Pedroia, though……KIDDING!

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:38 pm
  • “He comes off as a total d*ck, though he may, in fact, not be one at all.”
    As someone who watches every Yankee game (except when in the middle of nowhere like yesterday), and honestly not as a total Yankee homer, Cano does not come across in interviews and games as an arrogant jerk. He actually comes across as pretty shy and quiet. He just can’t shake a very lackadaisical appearance when he plays, which you may read as arrogance. It bothers me more that, though he apparently works like crazy and proactively asks Larry Bowa to work with him on his fielding all the time, sometimes seems sloppy for no good reason. And at other times, seems otherwordly. The same Jekyll and Hyde manifests itself at the plate. When he is focused in the field and disciplined at the plate, he is amazing all around. I just wish he was both of those things 100% of the time.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Schillign wont be abel to limit the Yansk to ONE run, Hudson. I can’t beleive that. Good pitcher, but Beckett he ain’t anymore.
    Roger can still get through the 7th or 8th, then you have Joba and Mariano. we’re in trouble, unless we score SOON.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Try the new MLB.com chat rooms, if you really want to see illiterate…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Even the usually even-handed Clif Corcoran called him the “Jewish God of Sqwalks” when referring to the HBP, as if rolling around on the ground screaming in pain was an act.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Lohud was a hoot yesterday.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:39 pm
  • Tigers miss Carmona in the series next week, guess us Yankee fans need to hope Paul Byrd can shut them down.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • Really, the Yankees should be winning 2-1…or more. Just another blown call that could affect the outcome of a Yankees game.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 9:40 pm
  • Ah, see you already referencd that, YF.
    Two quick outs from Schilling.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • They miss Carmona, but they do get Sabathia, John.
    And the Orioles have lost Baez (ok.. not a bgi deal), Guthrie (big deal), and Bedard (HUGE deal)

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:41 pm
  • Just chiming in here but has anyone noticed the Yankeeography on ESPN so far?
    Why did they spend the entire bottom of the 4th/5th (can’t remember) talking about Joba. I’m trying to watch my team’s at-bat and they’re flashing to Joba in the pen. It’s not even bullpen time. I want to focus on the action at the plate not Joba’s dad.
    [/rant]

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Awesome. Another 1-2-3 from Schilling.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Schilling at 61 pitches

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Inning over. Pedroia, Ortiz, Loweel coming up.. our best chance to score.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:42 pm
  • Well, Dion, there’s another very efficient inning for Schill, 10 pitches, who is at just 61 pitches through 6 innings, and has been consistently tossing 3 strikes for every ball all night…
    (Not that I’m not also bracing myself for a potentially wrenching ending; we *are* Sox fans after all. On the other hand, yesterday’s win resolved a ton of angst for me… until Game One of the postseason.)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • 10 pitch inning for Schill. 61 through 6 in what feels like the fastest Yankee-Sox game in a long time. Only 1 K for Curt, but it sure doesn’t seem like the Yanks are making much solid contact…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:43 pm
  • Can’t speak for all Yankee fans, but I for one don’t hate Youk. I don’t like him, but I don’t like many Red Sox. I think the only guy I truly hate is Manny and that’s more for the way he comes across then his team. (I guess the way Cano pisses you guys off, Ramirez does that for me.)

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • I don’t hate Youkilis. I don’t particularly like him – guys with beards who scowl and/or whine alot on the Red Sox tend to annoy me generally (Varitek/Youkilis), but I have no real animus towards him. If I had to choose a Sox to hit – and I would rather not hit anyone – it would probably be Schilling, who we will never see at bat anyway.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:44 pm
  • >>>Just another blown call
    Are we going to be hearing about this all night? It’s a game, thems the breaks.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:45 pm
  • On the other hand, yesterday’s win resolved a ton of angst for me… until Game One of the postseason.
    Ditto, Hudson. A win would be great, but I’m not sweating it nearly so much.
    Pedroia swings hard, but he just doesn’t have that opp-field power to pull off slapping at pitches that far out of the zone…

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • That pitch was out of the zone. BAD DUSTIN!
    FJM alreayd has an entry of Joe stupidity in this veyr broadcast
    http://www.firejoemorgan.com/

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Pedroia down.
    CAREFUL HERE PLEASE.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:46 pm
  • Varitek whines? I rarely see him open his mouth about anything; when he’s mad at an ump he walks away and stares into the distance, which seems like the best possible way of handling frustration. I guess it could be related to that fight, though…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Hudson, as long as it is a close game and Boston wins, I suspect yes, you will hear it again. Not from me, but I don’t begrudge others venting since it simply was not a close play and it was hugely significant.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Jon Miller: “Last year [Ortiz] hit .287.” Um, no.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • I don’t get how some Yankee fans criticize blown ump’s calls when Derek Jeter is on their team. That guy has had more phantom tags than anyone else in the league, he sells the sh*t outta them and gets the call. Don’t hear the Yankees complaining about that.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 9:47 pm
  • Fine.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Papi walks. Come on Mikey, PLEASE.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Oh yeah I hate Schilling also, thanks for reminding me Iron Horse.
    Dionysus, agreed the Yankees aren’t facing Koufax, Gooden and Maddux in Baltimore, but the matchups in that series are all in the favor of the Tigers, except game #3. Hate to look ahead, but it’s going to be a stress filled week for Yankee fans.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Um, yeah, actually. I need to check before I talk. Got confused with 2005 (.301)…

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:48 pm
  • Pedroia not having a good night at the plate…
    Brady throws a pick with time winding down. He tried to go deep since the half was almost over, threw a bad pass, and Stallworth tipped it up to the waiting defender. No biggy; 24-0 at the half.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • In my view, Varitek complains about calls alot, pouts and stomnps off the field more often than not when he K’s looking. Because he does it all with a furrowed mono-brow others might view this as tough-guyness. I view it as whining.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • Fine = the walk to Manny, not the bs about phantom tags and Jeter. What’s that gotta do with anything here? Bupkis.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:49 pm
  • I wouldn’t particularly like to hit any Yankee (not since those thugs Garcia and Nelson left).
    But I might enjoy puking on John Sterling’s loafers.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Base hit for Lowell! Papi to 2d.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • I see it as more anger at himself rather than at the ump in regards to Tek, IronHorse.
    But then.. we see what we want to see from our teams.
    Lowell gets his second hit! But here come Drew and Tek to screw us. We need Manny NOW!
    How abotu a surprise PH?

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Lowell single on the ground. Tiring Clemens?
    DP here would be nice. Just miss it.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:51 pm
  • Another in a long line of clutch hits by Drew this season.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • 2 outs. Runners at corners. But its Tek at bat.. so.. crap.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Ugh, Drew hits the first pitch right to Cano. Surprised they didn’t get a DP on that.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • “Some guys you need to have statistics yo help your team win. These guys bring more than statistics.”
    I like how statistics have suddenly become something more than the numerical representations of ACTUAL PERFORMANCE!
    If Clemens had “more than” statistics without the actual stats, I guess Joe thinks he would still be helping his team win.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Hudson: After you puke on Sterling, and he takes his shoes off to clean them, I’ll urinate on his socks. Deal?

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Tek to the plate..I feel the heartburn already.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:52 pm
  • Surprise me, Tek. He hits that same ball to that same location he did in the first, he probably has a double.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:53 pm
  • *fantasizes about firing Joe Morgan*

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • This is just an anecdotal impression, but my sense is that Tek doesn’t K looking a lot… He Ks *swinging in slow motion* a lot.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Come on, guys, don’t you see the narrative possibilities here? Tek breaking through against Clemens to carry the team… it would be a great story…

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • DAMON!!!!

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Oof. Thought that might get in there.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Nice catch Johhny. Let’s go offense!

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • there have been a lot of recent comparisons of Youk to Paul O’Neill, his more theatrical displays of anger at calls or disappointment in his own failures. I see some legitimacy in that comparison, and I didn’t like Paulie. So I can see why some Yankee fans may not love the guy: wrong uniform.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • Tek flies out…..

    Rob September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • GREAT grab by Damon in left! Makes up for that leadoff error.
    I expect to see Joba out there in the bottom of the 7th, no matter what happens in the top of the inning.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Fraking A’. Tek gets robbed again. Although had a betyter fielder than Damon been there, it would have even been a question.. just an automatic out.
    I still predict Yankees in this one. That was our innign to win it and we failed.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Nice play Damon…sort of makes up for the crappy play in the first. Sort of.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Deal, anonymous.
    And then we’ll dip Suzyn Waldman’s pigtails in ink. (Does she have pigtails? I thankfully have no idea what she looks like.)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • But for a couple stellar plays, Tek would have a couple hits tonite.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Crap. Threatening with much ado about nothing.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 9:55 pm
  • Lots of material for FJM tonight. I kinda see his point about veteran pitchers bringing more than just their on-field talent, with mentoring and that sort of thing, but it was a tortured attempt at making that point.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Glad SF was asleep for that. I think every time Tek makes an out with men on his blood pressure spikes by about 600 percent.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • “So I can see why some Yankee fans may not love the guy: wrong uniform.”
    Let’s face it, we’re all basically rooting for laundry.

    Ayuh - SF September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • That DHL commercial has the most ridiculous Matsuzaka stand-in ever. Guy doesn’t even look like Matsuzaka from the back — and I think he’s wearing glasses.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • J.D. + Tek + Hinske = giant black hole in lineup

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • “there have been a lot of recent comparisons of Youk to Paul O’Neill”
    Mostly by Youk himself. As long as he doesn’t compare himself to Donald Arthur I am cool with whatever he says.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • Dio: Anon was me…bet you didn’t think it was a yf did you? Just goes to show, Sterling inspires the creative disgust regardless of fandom.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:56 pm
  • I was just about to say I wasn’t sure about bringing Schill back to face A-Rod in the 7th. But it seems to have worked out okay.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • WHY?!?! Alex first pitch swinging on some slider low, pops to shallow center. Ugh.

    YF September 16, 2007, 9:57 pm
  • I will stop posting about how indescribably awful Tek is right now, in the hopes of karmic harmony.

    SF September 16, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • “So I can see why some Yankee fans may not love the guy”
    There’s a big difference. Youkilis is much more of a whiner. If you read his pathetic whining to the media about how Yankee fans ‘hate’ him and he ‘can’t understand why’ you’ll see.
    I don’t hate Youk, I like his goatee. He’s ugly as all fuck, but at least it works for him. Pedroia’s just ugly. I hate seeing him. Ugh.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • I didnt say anythign to you, Iron. That was Hudson.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • Youk himself made the comp to Paul O’Neill, not an unfair one though. Certainly no Quayle-Kennedy.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 9:58 pm
  • So this is what a two-way pitching duel looks like.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Posada missed that one. I thought for sure it was gone coming out of Schill’s hand. Maybe it’s just me though.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Joba and Ohlendorf warming.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Joba warming.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 9:59 pm
  • Hudson, that’s just wrong about JD. He’s been super lately.

    SF September 16, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • Wait.. why do we care who’s ugly? Is there a stat for beign pretty? Does it help win ballgames?
    Will beign pretty make Clemens so in awe that he says “Awww shuck. He’s so nice looking.. I might as well hang this next curve”?
    I don’t get why people say Pedroia of Youk are ugly as if thats a factor in Baseball

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • 61 and 62. Fun.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • HAHAHA @ that shot of A-Rod clapping for Cano’s HR.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:00 pm
  • Dio: thanks for clearing that up.
    Joba warming…

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • Schilling still looking strong tonight

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • I didn’t like that story where Youk talked about whether the Yanks had it out for him. It struck me as an example of where the reporter comes up and says, “Youk, you’ve been hit or thrown at four times by the Yanks this year. You think they have it out for you?”
    And then he says, “I dunno, maybe they do.”
    And the reporter says, “Why do you think that might be?”
    Once Youk answers, it’s a story about him wondering why the Yanks have it out for him.
    I don’t know if that’s what happened, but it sure felt like it.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:01 pm
  • Tek’s travails are also magnified by the Manny-less offense, too. He just isn’t a six hitter.

    SF September 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • “I don’t get why people say Pedroia of [sic] Youk are ugly as if thats a factor in Baseball”
    I honestly believe Randy Johnson’s ugliness had tangible results on the diamond.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • 8-pitch inning for Curt, who is looking more and more like he could go 9 innings tonight (69 pitches through 7, 3 hits, no walks).

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • Maybe being pretty is why Jacoby is doing so well. The boy is *hot*!

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 10:02 pm
  • I am guessing when they return to action on ESPN Joba will be pitching…

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • 8 pitch inning. Curt at 69 through 7. At this rate he could go 10 or 11 if he had to…
    Paul: Agree completely about that argue. I thought the “Maybe they just don’t like me” line was almost entirely tongue in cheek and a direct response to a fairly pointless question. But of course, the LOHUDites took tremendous offense…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • >>>I honestly believe Randy Johnson’s ugliness had tangible results on the diamond.
    Heh. But by this yardstick Julian T. should be our ace.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:03 pm
  • That was a horrible rendition of Gobbless Murika.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Here comes Chamberlain. Pains me to say it but Roger pitched pretty well tonight. Granted, I wasn’t actually watching, and it sounded like he had a few timely well-struck balls find some mitts…but still. A very good performance, all things considered, and props to Torre for pulling him before things got too hairy.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • If Joba comes in here, props to Joe. But I still question DHing Jorge with Giambi and Matsui and Betemit on the bench. Now it’s late in the game, it’s tied (at least going into the Sox at bat), and Molina’s due. There’s no way to pinch for him without losing the DH. If he had started Giambi, we’d be in the same position here, but with a pretty awesome replacement ready for Molina. So not so happy about that.

    YF September 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • I’ve thought of a player who’s ugliness afftected his play!
    David Wells! After all he was so Hutt-ian that he could barely field and his heart almost exploded with every pitch.
    God I HATED him. So glad he’s not on the team anymore. Your a freaking athlete.. take care of your damn body. Its your JOB to be ATHLETIC to HELP your tem.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:04 pm
  • Schill at 69 through 7. Think he’ll come out for the 8th?
    I’m hoping we score 6 or so runs here and get Gagne some work.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:05 pm
  • “Its your JOB to be ATHLETIC to HELP your tem.”
    You must really dislike Curt Schilling and David Ortiz.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Does Rah-jah have an 87-pitch limit in his contract? He just spoiled the storyline of this game (Curt v. Clemens down to the wire).

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • We are goign to lose this game.. I mean.. Joba and Mariano. Crud.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • Good part of the lineup for Chamberlain to be facing to keep his 0.00 ERA intact.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • I think it’s more a George Costanza leave on a high note thing Hudson.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • David Ortiz is a DH. He has no fielding responsibilites. A pitcher DOES have to field 1st base.
    As for Curt.. I DO indeed ahve issue with the weight he put on.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • (F)JM perpetuating this Yankees vs. Youk thing. He gets hit a lot by everyone. He just stands in close to the plate. I think it’s really that simple.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:07 pm
  • Who was that plug-ugly second baseman for the Yankees back in, mmm, I’m guessing 2003? He was quite a specimen.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • HINSKE! Double!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • Hinske!!!!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • DOUBLE!! HINSKE!!

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Dio – Joba has to give up a run sometime. Might as well be tonight.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • God damn stupid fans. WHy do you such INCREDIBLY stupid stuff? Makes us Red Sox fans look bad.
    God dammit.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • What’s the on-field delay?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Hinske touches Jabba for a double, no outs.
    Gotta score here.
    Fan on field snags Cano’s hat. Not cool.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:09 pm
  • Stupid fan running on the field.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Wait somebody stole Cano’s hat? OK I’m not condoning it…but that’s actually sort of funny…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Guy apparently tried to high-five Hinske before heading for Cano.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • Great sac bunt by Coco. Runner on third, one out. We MUST score!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:10 pm
  • That’s the type of situation where you can’t fault Cano or any Yankee if they tackle the drunk fool who does that.
    That’s twice I had to hear about Slow Joe Doyle in 2 days…

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • Gotta strike him out here. Maybe we’ll see a suicide squeeze.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • Sac moves Hinske over, PLEASE dont frak this up.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • Bunt gets Hinske to 3rd, nice. Feels like a while since the Sox pulled that off.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • “Maybe we’ll see a suicide squeeze.”
    Not with Hinske running. Not having another 1B really hurts us here.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:11 pm
  • Wow, first pitch slider for a strike. Gutsy, almost stupid move.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • 0-2 now. I predict Joba strikes out Lugo and retires Jacoby. *sigh*

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:12 pm
  • Need the K here Joba…

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Unless Kevin Cash has speed, there’s not much on the bench anyway. Lugo, Crisp and Ellsbury are already in the game.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • “Not with Hinske running. Not having another 1B really hurts us here.”
    Meh. It’s the 7th inning and Boston is not generally a small-ball team. I don’t think we’d see a pinch-runner here in any situation; if he’d hit a single instead of a double, we might have…but not with him on 3rd.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • >>>Not having another 1B really hurts us here.
    David Ortiz plays 1B. A lot better than most people give him credit for. But I never really understand the rule on this, whether that would mean giving up the DH slot.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • IS JOE SERIOUS…IGAWA is warming!!!

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • HUGE strikeout!

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Shit. Ks Lugo. Up to Ells.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • WHY can’t we just get a sac fly? WHY?

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:13 pm
  • Yep, Lugo Ks.
    Joba is so damn good.
    Thanks Sox, for screwing up.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Oh. My. God.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • See? I f*cking HATE sacrifice bunts, especially with Julio f*cking Lugo on deck. Did anyone really expect him to play fundamental baseball and hit a ball in the air? Because I sure didn’t…
    Good f*cking luck Jacoby.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Yikes. Joba not afraid to go inside.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Jesus, Lugo, at least make contact. The sacrifice becomes almost pointless now.
    Joba v. Jacoby.
    Interesting.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Joba!

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 10:14 pm
  • Joba vs. Jacoby… it’s the battle of the future! :)

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • Two Native Americans!

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:15 pm
  • I just realized how ineloquent I was…f*ck three times in the same “breath.” Hehe.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • 2-2. I predict another K for Joba and vomiting for me.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • If JCha hits JEll, it could get real ugly real fast.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Wayyy out in front on that one, was Ells. He was expecting fastball.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Jesus Christ, that bat just got DESTROYED.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • “I don’t think we’d see a pinch-runner here in any situation; if he’d hit a single instead of a double, we might have…but not with him on 3rd.”
    Not that it’s an issue now, D1, but having a little more speed (Moss, Kielty, Cora) on 3rd could make a big difference on a groundball.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:16 pm
  • Son of a whore.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Phew. Jacoby is so freaking fast.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Jacoby is fast.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Well.. that SUCKED.
    Joba really is an amazing pitcher.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Wow, that ended up being close. Gah. I agree. Sac bunt pretty useless there unles you’ve got a Pedroia or a Lowell up — guys who just don’t strike out.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Joba! Clutch.

    YF September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Not a K, but a groundout. Phooey.
    The sacrifice was a rotten idea, in retrospect.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:17 pm
  • Just watched the play Minky made against Tek…yeah, Roger got pretty lucky on that one…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Trisk: I am not in front of a TV. Tell me you are joking about Igawa. I am serious. Tell me.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Igawa was warming up, no joke.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 10:19 pm
  • Ohhhh, please bring in Igawa.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Really glad I wasn’t watching for that Ellsbury groundout. Would have gotten so, so mad if I’d had to see the fist-pump/stomp/three-chin-jiggle from Chamblerain, which I’m assuming came after the out was made.
    And yes, I realize Paps’ antics are basically the same. I don’t blame anyone for disliking him.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Gotta get some food, I think. See y’all in the 13th inning or whatever it invariably will go to…

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Schilling’s pitch count is freakishly low starting the 8th.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:20 pm
  • Igawa’s just getting some throwing in. Joba’s starting the 8th.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • 24-7 Pats, BTW.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:21 pm
  • And he Ks Melky on a rare (for tonight) six-pitch at bat.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • That’s a pretty cool stat, that there has never been a starting pitcher combo at Fenway with more total wins than Clemens and Schilling.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • Torre said during the inane between-innings interview that Chamberlain could go two or three innings.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • I was only a great pitch because it WORKED Joe. In actually idea it was a horrible idea. Had he not swung, thered be a man on with nobody out in the first.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • This game is only a bit over 2 hours old, quite a contrast with the past two.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Time to pull Schill?

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Doug singles. See? Had Melky walked, there’d be runners at the corners with no outs.
    PLEASE doubel play here.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:23 pm
  • Minky single, only the fourth Yankee baserunner of the night. I’d sure like to see a DP here.
    Someone (Giambi?) PH’ing for Molina?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Oh God. Oh God. Giambi.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:24 pm
  • Here’s what I worried about. Giambi in. Yanks are gonna lose their DH.

    YF September 16, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • Falls behind Melky 3-1 then gets him swinging. That’s the longest AB by a Yankee so far tonight, aside from another 6-pitch battle by Damon in the 3rd. And there were only like 1 or 2 that took 5 pitches.
    Why would you pull Schilling here? I mean really? He’s at 77 pitches and gave up a 1-out single. Big deal, it’s a single.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • >>>Time to pull Schill?
    At 77 pitches, and just four hits over 7.1? No way…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • The Yankees don’t have any other catchers on their roster, ESPN.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Giambi really does not like DH’ing, and the fact that he had to run around to find his bat does not make me feel like he was likely swinging in the cage. Hmmmm.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Giambi coming in, look sterile and haggard as ever.

    no sleep til brooklyn SF September 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • “Yanks are gonna lose their DH.”
    Apparently not, according to JM.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • Someone conk Dion on the noggin with a rubber mallet.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • WOW that was a horrible pitch.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:26 pm
  • So I’m a little confused about the losing the DH thing…does that mean there are now 8 men in the lineup, or does the pitcher have to hit?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • He wasn’t swinging because the ball was four feet outside.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Okay, now I’m wickd confused.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Bats getting destroyed tonight.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Pitcher would have to hit.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Bat Explosion!

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • C’mon, Curt, c’mon…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:27 pm
  • Randy Moss with another TD! 31-7 Pats, assuming the extra point!

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • Of course the pitcher would be pinch-hit for. It’s actually a good move.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • Pitcher would have to hit.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • Left Schilling in to long again.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • NICE! Giambi. Let’s not screw this up, Yankees.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:28 pm
  • Sterling with the G*&*&*&*&DA(&(&N premature home run call. I HATE HIM. I HATE HIM. I HATE HIM. I HATE HIM. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Grr. Bad throw by Ellsbury lets Giambi take second on the wall single. Just get the out here, Schill. Come on.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Oh, jeez, a double, nearly gone. 2nd and 3rd, just one out.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Grr. Bad throw by Ellsbury lets Giambi take second on the wall single. Just get the out here, Schill. Come on.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • GIAMBI!!!!!
    Gambit pays off. Now it’s all on JD again. He was rooked once with men on.
    Matsui will bat if the Pitcher slot comes up again, and Betemit if there’s a 3rd opportunity—i guess joe ffigures he has the horses in the pen and on the bench to lose the dh here.

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Please get out of this.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • I’m sorry for that, but I can NOT STAND “IT IS HIGH, IT IS FAR, IT IS………caught/off the wall/foul”. It so so infuriating.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • What’s up with all the breaking bats?

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • D1, if Posada moves to catcher, they lose the DH. If they brought up another catcher today (which is what JM is saying), and they use him, they don’t lose the DH.
    However, Posada has put on the gear.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • F-CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Typepad’s really screwing up on me. Sorry for the double post.
    Wow, Pedroia maintains his focus despite the bat flying past him. Key out there.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Wow. That was insane.
    Glad Hiunske’s ok.. REALLY glad that the runners didnt advance.
    Still gotta retire Jeter though. This iwll be Schillings last batter, either way

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:30 pm
  • Wow. Damon fails. Jammed?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • I don’t think it was a mistake to leave Schilling in, no matter what the result. The guy has plenty left in him, a relatively low pitch count, and has thrown a brilliant game.
    Damon grounds out and the runners don’t move. Pedroia finds the ball among the bat splinters.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • Why does Minky not score on that????? COME ON.

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • gawd no..Jeter

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • C’mon Jeter.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:31 pm
  • “This iwll be Schillings last batter, either way”
    Really think so? Unless Jeter puts on a marathon ab, I’d rather Tito leave him out there. Then again I’m not watching the game, and have no idea whether he looks tired or anything like that…I’d just rather avoid the bullpen for as long as possible.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • 2-1. I’m vomitting.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • I think Morgan’s right — How do you tell where the ball is, and whether it’s a grounder or a line drive, when bat fragments and the ball are all flying in the same direction?

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:32 pm
  • Okay… now I feel anxious.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Gameday says Curt’s last two fastballs were 94 and 93 respectively…is that true?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • ESPN said he hit 95.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Schilling doesn’t want to face Abreu. He’s the one who Schilling called “the best hitter after July” (or something very close to that) when the Yankees landed him last year.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:33 pm
  • Sorry Josh, I can’t tell by eye. ;)

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • 2-2, I’m gonna cry… Jeter is so scary.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:34 pm
  • Jeter looking smug, like “*I* woulda dove into the crowd and caught that.”

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Lost of talkin’ here. Soemthings up. Is Schill ok?

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:35 pm
  • Shit.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • (Who the heck is this Yankee pinch-runner Sardinha? Nevaherdovim.)
    Curt to Derek, hyuuuuge at bat here:
    – Swinging strike
    – Ball
    – Ball (93 mph, very close call, there ‘ya go YFs)
    – Long mound conference
    – Jeter asks for time
    – Check-swing foul
    – Another conference
    [Dion is dying somewhere]
    – Foul, Drew and Pedroia giving chase
    – SH!T SH!T SH!T

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • *hands Dio a bucket*
    Ugh.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • Ball game. Yankees win.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • ASLJKDHCOBJ ABHDKJBGAKJGBEJDKCGAKJGEJCHGKWAE
    JETER IS GODDDDD
    HOLY FUCKING SHIT I AM SMILING EAR TO EARRRRR

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • And that’s the game…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • Jeter. Cool as they come.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • How did I know that would happen?
    What did I say? Two bad pitches from Schilling: All four runs in this ballgame.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • THE CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • I think I said this before . . . I hate, hate hate Jeter!

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • wow.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:36 pm
  • Now Francona comes to get Schilling.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • YES. THERE IS SUCH A THING AS CLUTCH.

    Anonymous September 16, 2007, 10:37 pm
  • The EMTs had better bring a defibrillator with them to Dion’s house.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • Especially his smug face . . . devil personified. Bwaah! I *knew* I should be watching the Patriots instead.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • YF and Mrs. YF jumping up and down like schoolkids here at Chez YF.
    YAY!!!!! FUN FUN FUN!!!!!!

    YF September 16, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • Not Tito’s fault. Entirely Schilling’s. That’s really all there is to it. 4 runs over 7.2 is nothing to be particularly proud of, and with first base open why the F*CK would you throw anything CLOSE to that fat a pitch? F*CKING stupid.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:38 pm
  • Though the result is crushing, I for once can’t fault Francona there for not pulling Schilling.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • oh my head… i couldn’t take that AB any longer… what a huge huge shot.

    nyara September 16, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • I swear, if I could clone the Derek Jeter/ David Ortiz “how-I-feel-in-the-clultch” gene, it would be so much more valuable than all the Steroids and HGH in the world. I don’t know what it is with these guys. It’s like they just KNOW that the pitcher is under more pressure than they are and they have no fear. OK, I know it is annoying for Sox fans since it is Jeter who just struck, but I am in awe at the performance of those two athletes in particular.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • Lopez has not been much of a lefty specialist lately.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:39 pm
  • P.S. Against all good sense I think the Sox have an outside shot at getting back into this game.
    Typed *before* Lopez gave away a double.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Oh. Great job lefty specialist.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Glad Tek and Schills went for about 8 mound meetings there.
    Meanwhile, extras for Abreu on pitch 1 for Lopez, and here comes MDC for Alex. Why not walk him and leave in the lefty?

    YF September 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • I was just cursing the non-aggressive base running in this inning when Jeter made it academic. What a battle.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • I don’t know what it is, but I feel like we’re being set up for a come from behind win to get a little bit back for Friday.
    I think maybe that game just broke my soul.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • Hudson: I think it is only SFs (Dio to be specific) who are calling this game already. A 2-run lead means very little to me in Fenway with two innings left. What is the bottom of the 8th order for Boston? I don’t remember who got the last out, but I sadly know it was not Ortiz.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:41 pm
  • Has Joe Morgan stepped out to change his underwear?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • Is there a reason Schilling thought his 91/92 fastball could suddenly strike Derek Jeter out when thrown right down the plate?
    Prediction: Schilling will talk about how he just made amental mistake on two pitches. He makes two of those every game, and they inevitably lead to the worst possible results because he doesn’t have the stuff anymore to limit those results.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • It was obvious Schilling didn’t want to pitch to Jeter; have to wonder then, why did he?

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 10:42 pm
  • >>>A 2-run lead means very little to me in Fenway with two innings left.
    You just had to go and make me remind you it’s a 3-run lead, now, didn’t you?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:43 pm
  • ARod fooled badly.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • Sterling giving props to Mientkeiwicz and on this he is right. DM’s 2 for 3 with a 2-run-saving play at first base.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • ARod Ks. Well, that’s a little something.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • How is it that after I am done banging my head on the table after the 3 run homer, I look up to see Abreu on 2nd and ARod swinging the bad. Nightmares are made of this stuff.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • 31-14 Pats, in case anyone’s keeping track.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:44 pm
  • IH: it’s Ped/Ortiz/Lowell

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Umm…it’s a 3 run lead. And if you’re telling me you don’t feel comfortable with the Hutt and Mariano coming in…well, I’d say you’re lying, at least a little bit.
    I’m also resisting the very strong urge to talk about how much I already despise Chamberlain, since it’s almost entirely related to his weight and I feel like an a**hole.
    And the Pats are trying really hard to put San Diego back into this. 31-14, but New England fumbled the return and the Chargers have it at midfield.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • They have no idea what they are talking about, the Yankees have NOT called up any catchers. They have 2 and only 2.
    Sardinha (spelling?) had a great spring training for the Yankees.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • There’s nothing that would make me happier than rallying to win against Joba Chamberlain. But I hold out very little hope for that actually happening.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • Lots at Fenway heading for exits already, patriotism in short supply at RedSox Nation?

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 10:45 pm
  • “ARod swinging the bad.”
    Freudian typo…

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • jimintokyo: I was serious abotu Schilling not wanting to face Abreu, especially with bases loaded. I am not defending whatever he threw to Jeter sinc I can’t even see it and have to takes SF’s words for it that it was a fat pitch, but if he walked Jeter, he had one of the hottest August hitters (who has done great in Fenway ever since joiing the Yankees last year) coming up, and then A-Rod. I don’t think Schilling should have walked Jeter.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • Phew, ARod Ks. 3 run lead . . . that’s less than 6 right? We’re still in the 8th inning – we need payback for Friday.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:46 pm
  • Joba still in, but batting 9th (will be replaced by Rivera anyway).

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • Tyrel, lol – I saw that after I posted – wish we could fix those. On the other hand, whenever he’s swinging the bat, it always feels bad.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • Uh, Jim, I don’t see ANYone heading for the exits. This isn’t Yankee Stadium. Nice try, though.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • “that’s August/September” hitters…

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:47 pm
  • I stepped away before Iron Horse, but yes Igawa was warming. I think Andrew was correct though, he must have just been getting him some work in.
    Two dropped balls for Jorge, squeeze it kid.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Nice curve from Chamberlain. Pedroia wasn’t expecting that.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • I see the pictures of Dustin and Chamberlain on Gameday and all I can think of is Fat Bastard in Austin Powers eyeing Mini-Me.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Nifty curve.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Pedroia is huge here. We do NOT need the drama of Ortiz up as the tying run.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Pedroia: Goes to a 2-2 count, then Ks on a 79 mph change.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • Morgan and Miller mistake a WEEI sign (they hand out hundreds before every game) for a fan’s homemade sign. God, they are so, so stupid.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:48 pm
  • (Sorry, curve, not change.)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:49 pm
  • >>>Pedroia is huge here. We do NOT need the drama of Ortiz up as the tying run.
    GOD, will you YFs please stop taunting us by pretending it’s a two-run lead? It’s THREE.
    Anyway, Ortiz flies out.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Joba finally gives up a run.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Well, someone got to Joba. :) Too bad nobody was on ahead of him.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Pop.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • LOWELL!!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • Mike Lowell is just so damn good.

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 10:50 pm
  • LOWELL! Solo shot pops Joba’s cherry! (Sorry for the imagery.)

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Josh, you really think Joba is fat? I don’t know…Britton = fat, I think Joba is just a big kid.
    HR “Mikey” Lowell. It won’t be the last Joba, relax.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Haha, well at least Tubby’s ERA isn’t 0 anymore…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Joba gives up a legit earned run. Oh well. Don’t panic Torre and bring in Mo. Let the kid stay in there and close it off.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • ooohhhhh and Joba’s streak of unearned runs ends as soon as I turn the TV on again. Poop.
    Mike Lowell is just having a career season. The Sox MVP by a long shot.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • It’s really too bad Lowell’s bat is too slow to catch up to fastballs anymore.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • A what a nice swing that was. Pity no one was on.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Now we just need three more like that.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • Okay, *now* it’s a 2-run lead.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:51 pm
  • dougYF – do it again. Turn your TV off and on a couple more times!

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • So what does this make Joba’s ERA now? 0.13 or something?

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Hudson. I am sorry – seriously. I did not realize it was 3 – I thought it was 2. I am listning to tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum and I thought it was a 2-run HR for Jeter.
    Anyway…my bad.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Paul, you must’ve taken a bathroom break during Sweet Caroline — well, maybe they were just heading for the can.

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 10:52 pm
  • Fruitbat simmering.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Lowell, Drew and Tek know something about solo homers off Yankee rookies.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Typical Drew strikeout…Bat on the shoulder.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Sadly, Drew also knows something about striking out.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • “Josh, you really think Joba is fat? I don’t know…Britton = fat, I think Joba is just a big kid.”
    Yeah…I do. If I can see multiple chins in a head-on photo, you’re a big boy…
    And Joba’s ERA is .51, pending the end of this inning.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Another curve for an backwards k..maybe a _bit_ generous.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • haha my TV viewership must be bad luck for the Yanks.
    … Maybe not. STRIKE THREE on that SICKKK curveball. SHA-BLAUW!!!

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Joba ERA = 0.51 before the J.D. K.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:53 pm
  • Nice Joba. Was it f-ball or slider? Or curve? Can’t see and wasn’t called here.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Ohhhhhhh that curve was disgusting. Filthy isn’t even the right word… we’re talking New York City subway station in 100° heat and 95% humidity filthy.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Considering it’s a break between innings, and I don’t see any empty seats, I’d guess it was tyical mid-inning milling around…

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Hudson, why Fruitbat? Been curious about that for a few days but no explanation. :)

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • Sha-blauw?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:54 pm
  • So what does that make Papi and Schill?

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Who is this clown with Joe Morgan, by the way? As if Morgan himself wasn’t painful enough to listen to…

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Mariano Rivera looks like a fruitbat. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 10:55 pm
  • Josh… is that the best you can do? Call our guy fat? Interesting.
    Oh wow. Gagne sighting.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • IH – big loopy high curve that the ump gave the high away corner to.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Ooh – dang. I was hoping for some interesting story behind Fruitbat. Still, I like. :)

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Fruitbat: Big ears, bald head, bug eyes, pointy face…
    Don’t look now, it’s Gagne.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:56 pm
  • Papi’s not fat. Schilling is Clemens-esque.

    Tom sf September 16, 2007, 10:57 pm
  • If you looked closely on that overhead shot, you could see the big pile of shattered lumber courtesy of Schilling’s jamming.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • (What a waste of what was shaping up as a truly stellar Schilling outing. He’s too much of a vet to have made that “mental” mistake.)
    Gagne Ks Posada. Are we finally going to get the real Eric now?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Hudson: I’m guessing you don’t listen to the Wu-Tang Clan.
    Jackie, if you can call Mo a “fruitbat”, then I’m going to call Youkilis “a lumberjack who enjoys the company of men.” Just letting you know. ;o)

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • “So what does that make Papi and Schill?”
    Schill’s pretty fat himself, though at 40 I give him a little more slack…Papi has 2 inches on Chamberlain and their weights are listed at 230 each. I’m guessing they’re both probably a little heavier then that.
    And I was kidding with the Fat Bastard reference. I thought that was clear? Anyway I didn’t want to start a debate, was just venting…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 10:58 pm
  • Is that a Flying Circus reference, Doug?

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • If you look up “big-boned” in the dictionary, you will find an engraving of David Ortiz.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 10:59 pm
  • It’s the 9th inning – Gagne should be ok here. Should . . . but since he is wearing a Red Sox uniform now and I started my career as a Red Sox fan during the 1986 World Series (I grew up outside the country), there is no guarantee he doesn’t give up 5.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • >>>Hudson: I’m guessing you don’t listen to the Wu-Tang Clan.
    Not in about 10 years.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:00 pm
  • Ugh, 3-1 to Cano. They must not have been anywhere close to the plate…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:01 pm
  • Gagne gets Cano to pop out.
    It’s not a clean inning yet…

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:01 pm
  • Doug – you can call him whatever you like. :)

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Tom: “Papi is not fat”????? he is the fattest person on either team with the possible exception of Britton.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • Tek
    Hinske
    Crisp
    arrggh….

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • My god, a Gagne inning without a double.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:02 pm
  • That’s not fat, that’s muscle on Papi ;)

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • Good inning from Gagne. Just think. He could have been doing that in the eighth inning Friday, and we’d be even less worried about the score.
    Ninth-inning heroics, here we come! You know, with Varitek, Hinske, Coco and Lugo coming up. :-P

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • >>>”Papi is not fat”????? he is the fattest person on either team with the possible exception of Britton.
    Ortiz: 6-4, 230
    Joba: 6-2, 230

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:03 pm
  • The bottom of the Sox order is just not at all intimidating. Other than Manny, are they missing anyone? They can’t have compiled the record they have with Varitek/Hinske/Crisp.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Cabrera: 0-10 in this series with 2 walks. Looks like Paul was right about him…
    Well at least Gagne appears to have figured sh*t out.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:04 pm
  • Paul, maybe Tito’ll pinch-hit Moss for Hinske and Cora for Lugo.
    ;^(

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • Ok this is a dumb argument, but I will bet you diamonds to donuts Papi hasn’t seen 230 since he was a Twin.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • OK Hudson, he is the third heaviest. He is still FAT!

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • IH: Replace Hinske with Youkilis. That’s about it, though obviously Youk wouldn’t be batting that low in the lineup.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • IronHorse: Uh, yeah, we’re missing Youkilis.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:05 pm
  • I’m telling you guys, you gotta think about narratives. Bottom of the order picking up the team in a come from behind win… the story writes itself… Tek redeeming himself, justice for the first game of the series, etc etc. It’s gotta happen!

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • Varitek a career .333 of Mo

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:06 pm
  • It’s muscles I tell ya!

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Tek takes Mo to a 3-2 count.
    Then fouls one off.
    If this doesn’t end up a whiff I’ll be shocked.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Good ab by Varitek, at least…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • The walk!
    Tying run at the plate.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Here we go, here we go, here we go…
    BTW, is there anything in the world that is more uncomfortable than the rally cap? My temples are being gouged out over here.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:07 pm
  • Hudson, you’ve been missing out. Supreme Clientele? Fishscale? Plus 8 Diagrams, drops in 4 weeks. Can’t wait.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Walk! I agree, it writes itself. C’mon baseball gods – I’m sure they’d rather see an exciting game than a boring one like yesterday.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Mo Vaughn = Fat.
    David Ortiz = Not fat.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Hudson: Shocked!
    Doesn’t change a whole lot; Hinske probably hits a GB. I guess Youk’s really hurt, or else there’d probably be a PH here.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Please Hinske

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • Holy crap, I’m in shock.
    Someone ought to run for Tek, probably, but it won’t happen.
    Anyway, if Big Papi is fat, I’d like the Sox to get some more fat players.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • If we somehow get to Ortiz with the game on the line, I am going to puke in advance just to get it out of the way.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:08 pm
  • I really don’t get that pitch selection. You are up two, not saying you have to give in, but pitch to contact Mo.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • Runner to second on Hinske’s groundout. Coco will do something great here. I feel it.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • Hinske grounder moves Tek to 2nd. But we need two runs so it’s not all that helpful.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • Well I was right, but at least it wasn’t a dp.
    Crisp had that big triple earlier this year. One of those would be real nice here…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:09 pm
  • Joe Morgan “yelling out” to one of the Fenway EMTs.
    Joe Morgan understands the lexicon of youth culture.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Crisp choosing to bat left – that is interesting…

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • My guarded optimism just evaporated.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Crisp grounds out…Lugo up.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Crisp hits a chopper to Cano. Two out.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • Blech. Advancing the runner not exactly the greatness I had in mind.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:10 pm
  • “If we somehow get to Ortiz with the game on the line, I am going to puke in advance just to get it out of the way.”
    That’d have to come in extras, unless Lugo, Ellsbury, and Pedroia reach base without taking the lead. Which would be tough.
    Our bench is pathetic right now…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • “Julio Lugo is the Red Sox final hope.” …somehow, this utterly fails to give me hope.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Crisp weak ground-out, Tek on 3rd, big whoop.
    It’s down to… Julio Lugo.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Lugo = Not Fat

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • SFs: Not meant as a dig – when Youkilis is in and Manny is in, do you have any good bats off the bench?

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • C’mon! Lugo – all will be forgiven.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:11 pm
  • Goodbye, fingernails.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • LUGO!!!!!!
    Ellsbury up.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • LUGO DOUBLES! Ellsbury coming up!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Yes! Yes! Yes! Lugo! Ellsbury coming up! Calm AM . . . you’re a Red Sox fan . . .

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Up and In? Come on Mo, good lord.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • What’s up with team meetings before every batter.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Lugo:
    – Ball.
    – Foul.
    – HOLY CRAP! DOUBLE!

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:12 pm
  • Varitek and Lugo getting it done (!)
    Rookie sensation to polish off the narrative? I think so…

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • Well at least we made a show.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • Hits him, and Pedroia’s coming up.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • “SFs: Not meant as a dig – when Youkilis is in and Manny is in, do you have any good bats off the bench?”
    Nope.
    Wow. Lugo hits a double. On Ellsbury, again; if he singles here…man, I don’t even know what I’d do…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • CRAP! Sterling botched the call so freaking badly – couldn’t remember who was running and so didn’t say anything while I sat wondering is he at 2nd or 3rd???
    Big moment for Ellsbury.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • oh shit. not again.

    nyara September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • >>>Youkilis is in and Manny is in, do you have any good bats off the bench?
    Ellsbury. Since Drew will keep his job in the postseason even though he shouldn’t.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:13 pm
  • Now Ellsbury plunked. Okay. Any base.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Ellsbury plunked.
    Pedroia up.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • RHe hits Ellsbury! JERK! Well… its up to the other Rookie.
    Oh god.. if Jacoby’s hurt, Im gonna cry. I’ve already thrown up.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • I am leaning over the toilet in anticipation. C’mon Mo.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • He hits Ellsbury.
    Huh.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • That looked really, really painful. Right off the kneecap. Now we really have to get the walkoff.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • RedSox have seen Mo too often; gets scary.

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Dang – Ellsbury got hit on the knee, I hope he is ok.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Why can’t these games EVER end in normal fashion?
    AND
    Why everytime the Sox start to put something together do the fans start chanting “Yankees Suck” …

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:14 pm
  • Okay, the Rookie of the Year is batting. Still feeling grim. But.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:15 pm
  • 0-2. Give him the high heat Mo.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • I hate watching these

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Lol – Big Papi with Stephen King over his shoulder in that TV shot!

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:16 pm
  • Absolutely no fingernails left

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:17 pm
  • Good at-bat for the kid.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Whatever happens – I like Dustin – he’s not intimidated here. Fighter kid.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Brush back pitch

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:18 pm
  • Paul: Ortiz and S. King conjure up similar visions and emotions for me…
    3-2…
    nothing is ever simple.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Papi on deck.. gah. Finish this now.
    I can’t believe he took that pitch.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • PAPI coming to the plate…bases juiced.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Oh… My… God.
    Drama at the Fens!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • WALK!!! PAPI!

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Ok.. I’m now ok wiht a loss here. We put up aq good enough battle.
    Come on Pedroia.
    0-2 on Pedroia. MAriano doesnt screw up here. He’s Mo.
    1-2.
    2-2.
    Fouled back.. on a pitch to rip. That should been a tie game, but Dustin messed up.
    Another foul.
    Almost hit Pedroia. 3-2.
    Please. God.
    WALKED HIM!
    Oh.. oh.. god. I’m havign a heart attack.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Bases loaded for Papi. Unfrigginbelievable.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • The Gnat. hate him.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • never over til it’s over

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Lunch and dinner – both up and out.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Called strike.
    Foul.
    Ball.
    Ortiz standing on deck.
    Ball.
    Foul.
    Sick to stomach, commiserating with Dion…
    Foul.
    Dustin takes time.
    Ball inside. 3-2, bottom of the ninth, tying run on second, winning run on 1st, runners will go…
    Oh jeez.
    Walk.
    Big Papi to bat.
    Holy effing shee.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:19 pm
  • Papi getting a chance to show how “Phat” he really is…
    I can’t wait for this to be over, these games are way too stressful.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • I still don’t think we pull this off.. but if we do, it’ll be one for the books.
    Papi has to try to go into left. Just bloop it and beat the shift.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Patriots win 38-14 over San Diego

    TJ September 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Torre to the mound.
    Who wrote this friggin’ script?

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:20 pm
  • Ortiz 7-19 off Mo with 1 HR.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Does Papi ever ground out?

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • You know, I was making fun of Dion’s butterflies earlier, but it ain’t so funny now.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:21 pm
  • Wow, a fist pump for a walk from Pedroia. Calm down, angry midget.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • I keep trying to tell myself this is supposed to be fun.

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:22 pm
  • Ball game on a pop out to shallow center. Breathing again.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Damn…end of the game.

    Rob September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • THANK YOU GOD!

    John - YF (Trisk) September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Wow. What a game!

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • … but… but the narrative… :(

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Dry heaving now.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • Mo wins it. Oh well.

    Dionysus September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • No. No. No.
    ——-
    Not the end of the world.
    Hardly.
    But.
    Ugh.
    Just ugh.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • aaaaaaaaahhhhhh yokkata!

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • I saw that, Andrew.. couldn’t believe he fist-pumped for taking a close pitch on the inside corner. Hate that Gnat.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • MO!!!!!!!!!!!!
    THEEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!
    oh, my heart.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:23 pm
  • phew.

    YF September 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • Hell of a series…

    dknyc September 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • Ah well . . . still, I’m not unhappy – it was a good game. And it wasn’t as much a must win for the Sox as it was for the Yanks.

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • MO!!!!!!!!!!!!
    THEEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!
    oh, my heart.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • WHWHHHHHHEEEEEWWWW.
    Way to make it interesting Mo. I never thought after the first couple series between these teams that the Yanks would come out ahead on the series-match-up record.
    I so hope these teams meet in the ALCS. Such drama.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:24 pm
  • I couldn’t get too worried about the bottom of the ninth. Either it’s because the “MR. CLUTCH IS BACK” bullshit is so stupid, or because I completely spent my emotional well on Jeter’s homerun.
    Anyway, good win. Stellar performances from Rocket, and almost a stellar performance from Schilling. Amazing outing from Joba, and hey, Jeter’s still the Mr. Clutch around these parts. :)

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • The Sox lost, but I think that ninth inning pretty much had an “Enjoy it while you can because we’ll see you in October” feel.
    For some reason, I don’t feel bad about tbis loss at all. I dunno why.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:25 pm
  • >>>I keep trying to tell myself this is supposed to be fun.
    Well said. And guess what, in all probability we all get to do this again in a seven game series in about a month.
    Start stocking up on sedatives now.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • What was the final ’07 series count IH?

    dknyc September 16, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • Mientkeiwicz says he circled this game on his calendar when he got hurt and told Torre he really wanted to play in this one. And he came up huge.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • Back to football: What’s LaDanian Tomlinson got to say now?

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • IHYF: I know, right? Mo just HAD to go ahead and make that ballgame interesting. Jésus Christo.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:26 pm
  • 10-8 Yankees on the season, I’m pretty sure.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • DKNYC: Final series count: 10-8. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I am pretty sure.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:27 pm
  • And Joba’s ERA is no longer 0. That was getting irritating . . . (and yes, he’s fat! That’s not muscle like Papi! ;) )
    Really not unhappy about this loss – this does feel like the Sox are just fine. And I *love* our rookies!

    AM-SF September 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • “couldn’t believe he fist-pumped for taking a close pitch on the inside corner. Hate that Gnat.”
    Jeter fist pumps for catching a pop fly…
    Would have been real nice to have someone less useless then Hinske in there somewhere…maybe a guy who knew how to take a pitch once it became clear Mo had no f*cking clue where anything was going. Ditto Crisp, really.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • Great game all around. See you SFs in October.

    jimintokyo September 16, 2007, 11:28 pm
  • >>>Would have been real nice to have someone less useless then Hinske in there somewhere…maybe a guy who knew how to take a pitch once it became clear Mo had no f*cking clue where anything was going. Ditto Crisp, really.
    True, but we couldn’t have asked for more than Big Papi batting with the bases loaded. Just didn’t work out as usual.

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • ESPN is showing 10-8, but I thought they played 19 games…

    dknyc September 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • > Jeter fist pumps for catching a pop fly…
    That’s true too.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:29 pm
  • I think it was 19 last year.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • He fist pumped because the game was over…

    dknyc September 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • Neither fanbase should complain about fistpumps. Papelbon:Chamberlain. Beckett:Clemens. Pedroia:Jeter.
    Yeah, the fact that they took a three-run deficit and got it to where it was… and in the playoffs, it’s Manny in the lineup and not Hinske. This series, if nothing else, has shown the Red Sox and Yankees will play a hell of an ALCS. (The last series didn’t really look so great).

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:30 pm
  • “Mo had no f*cking clue where anything was going”
    His control was off, but that’s bullshit. Perfectly placed cutter got ortiz.
    Clownboy, what about that sweep you guaranteed? Clownboy, oh clownboy…

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:31 pm
  • This is not a knock on SFs – I just feel like the Yankees have the (admittedly slight) edge if the ALCS comes up. They’ve done really well and come out ahead against all the top Sox starters except yesterday vs. Beckett and have won 7 of the last 9 games against them. I’m NOT saying they are SOO much better, but I feel like the Yankees’ bullpen, starting line-up, and certainly bench are all better. And the starting pitching (other than Beckett) is comparable, with Beckett being the one standout.
    I’m sure SFs disagree…but hopefully we’ll all get to find out next month.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • Season series is 10-8 Yanks. All the other numbers–runs for/against and the like–are basically even.
    Sounded like a good game, even if I’m more then a little irritated at Boston’s managing only one f*cking unearned run against Roger and his shredded elbow.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:32 pm
  • “I am pretty sure.
    You’re 100 percent correct, my friend.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:33 pm
  • “His control was off, but that’s bullshit. Perfectly placed cutter got ortiz.”
    Umm…yeah, his control was off. And that was clear from the start. And Hinske swung at the first two pitches he saw. I didn’t say he couldn’t settle down, did I?

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • Paul: You forgot one…there is no ying for Schilling’s yang. He stands out as the guy we would all hate (and I do) if he were on the “other” team.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • You’re right, IH. I disagree with everything you just said — except for the starting lineup.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:34 pm
  • IH, I’ll give you the line-up and the bench, but I’ll keep our ‘pen and rotation, thank you very much.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 11:35 pm
  • Andrews: Methinks Clownboy logged on when Ortiz came up but then slithered away on the pop-up.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • You could argue Giambi has some history that makes him particularly detestable to everyone but the fans of his own team. But you’re right. The last year has really not endeared Schilling to me (or me to Schilling. Not sure which way that should go).

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • > Neither fanbase should complain about fistpumps
    Okay, I’ll just complain about Pedroia regardless of where he puts his hands. It’s totally irrational, I know it, I’ve said it before. Hate him.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • It is 10-8. Only 18 games this year instead of the usual 19, for whatever reason.
    I so hope these teams meet in the ALCS. Such drama.
    I’m not sure I agree. Though maybe a week of lost appetite and dry heaving wouldn’t be a bad thing (I’m just a seven game playoff series away from my goal weight…) Playing youse guys at any time makes me way too nervous, and completely non-functional in my day to day life. I managed to do negative work in 2003 and 2004.
    I’m in agreement with the rest of you SFs… today’s loss wasn’t too terrible. Disappointing, but not devastating. I really thought we were going to pull it out in the end though. C’est la vie.

    Jackie (SF) September 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • “more then a little irritated at Boston’s managing only one f*cking unearned run against Roger and his shredded elbow.”
    Give me a break. Maybe the fact that he pitched his ass off had something to do with it?
    Really hope we get to play you in the ALCS

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:36 pm
  • Fair enough SF’s: it is great that we each think we have the upper hand. And we can each point to something to prove it – you have the best record and the division. We have the best record in the second half and the upperhand in the face-to-face, especially recently.
    October will be great.

    IronHorse (yf) September 16, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • Yeah… where is our awesome friend B-raw? I need some postgame LOLs.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:37 pm
  • “I didn’t say he couldn’t settle down, did I?”
    No, you said: “Mo had no f*cking clue where anything was going”
    That was bullshit. I think you know it.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:39 pm
  • Clemens had it today. Will his ligaments have it after one or two more regular-season starts, and at least one start in the playoffs?
    I reiterate: A Yanks-Sox ALCS will be great, exciting baseball. But I do not want to see great, exciting baseball and go crazy for a whole week. Give me Sox-Angels or Sox-Tribe or, even better, a Sox-Tigers ALDS, and I’ll be much happier (as will my wife, tangentially).

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:40 pm
  • “And Hinske swung at the first two pitches he saw.”
    Those well placed pitches don’t count, I suppose.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • I couldn’t care less about this loss and I also don’t know why. I just don’t. Two teams went to battle, one team came out on top, it wasn’t my team. I’m ok with that.
    I cooked and drank all day, so that helps.

    LocklandSF September 16, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • > Sox-Tigers ALDS
    That would make for a happy gerbil household and extended as well, except for gerbil that is.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • “Really hope we get to play you in the ALCS”
    I just hope the Yankees make it to the postseason, much less the ALCS.
    I’ve had two dreams, in one of them, the Yankees get swept in three games by the Angels, and in the second dream the Yankees play Boston in the first round and lose in 4 games. In the fourth game, the Yankees are down 9-2…they battle back in the 9th inning to make it 9-8 (with help by a 3-run homerun by Damon), but then lose. So things aren’t looking good for the Yankees, in a pure premonition sense.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:41 pm
  • Also, I would have taken the Boston bullpen easily over the Yankees’, but Okajima has just been falling apart lately. And we all saw what happened to Papelbon. As a Yankee fan, I call it a push. Our pen still has too many unknown quantities (Edwar, Britton, Bruney, Henn, and now Ohlendorf… 1st half of the season Farnsworth?) for me to call a clear advantage.
    Rotation… IPK has been hot, Hughes is taking his lumps as a rookie, Wang will definitely bounce back from yesterday’s shelling… push.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • Uh, I don’t really care what you say, Roger Clemens isn’t Johan Santana. He doesn’t get the, “He’s just so good sometimes there’s nothing you can do,” treatment, at least not from me. He’s no Julian Tavarez, either, of course, but I reserve the right to complain about whatever I want…especially given the obvious playoff implications.
    Andrews: Mo walked 2 people, gave up a line-shot double to Julio Lugo, and hit a guy. Overall, he had no clue where his pitches were going. How is this an argument? Fine, he made his pitches to Ortiz; good for him. Doesn’t make Hinske’s ab any more palatable, which was my main complaint…

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:42 pm
  • “But I do not want to see great, exciting baseball and go crazy for a whole week. Give me Sox-Angels or Sox-Tribe or, even better, a Sox-Tigers ALDS, and I’ll be much happier”
    Give me yanks-sox, two cases of wine and a padded, soundproof room. That’s all I ask…

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • I’m with you, Lockland. I guess it’s because I didn’t expect the Sox to get as close as they did — and, again, the eighth and ninth seemed to be a last salvo, the Sox saying: “See you next month, boys.” Given that exact same scenario in an ALCS game, I would put money on Ortiz driving home two runs.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:43 pm
  • That walk from Mo to that fist-pu I mean patient, composed Gnat ROY second baseman was on a fastball that was a very well-placed set for an inside corner fastball.

    attackgerbil September 16, 2007, 11:44 pm
  • “Overall, he had no clue where his pitches were going.”
    That’s just bullshit. He walked 2 guys after going to 3-2 on them. His control was not good, but he definitely knew where the ball was going.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • OK fine, apparently Mariano was as good as he’s ever been. I was wrong to even insinuate that he was struggling a bit.

    Josh SF (D1) September 16, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • As a YF, I must admit that when we win these games its more of a feeling of relief for me…and a stronger feeling of pain/frustration when we lose.

    dknyc September 16, 2007, 11:45 pm
  • I dunno, I think right now, the Yankees have the edge in the bullpen. Okajima is just shot, and you really cannot count on Gagne or Timlin. The rest of the respective ‘pens aren’t really worth mentioning, unless you count Buchholz as part of the bullpen. But it looks like the Sox don’t consider Buchholz as a setup guy.
    The Yankees have Joba and Mo, the best tandem they’ve had since the Gordon days, maybe even better because I doubt Joba will be throwing up before playoff games. Right now, meaning as of this moment, the Yankees have the better ‘pen.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:46 pm
  • Josh, Mo got out the jam and won the game. Dassit.
    Also, no one is comparing Johan Santana, Cy Young candidate, ace of the Twins rotation with old man, cortisoned elbow, back-of-the-rotation Roger Clemens. Where did you get that idea from? Did BOSTONRAW tell you that?

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • I can’t really bring myself to feel too bad about this game, the sox are still 4.5 up and should get manny back by the end of the week, if the Yankees had swept it would be full on panic, but all the sox really needed was one of three

    Bob September 16, 2007, 11:47 pm
  • Gagne (the version we’ve seen since he stopped tipping pitches) and Papelbon is better than Chamberlain and Rivera, at this point in their respective careers. The Sox have Buchholz, Timlin, Tavarez, Snyder in front of them. Sox have the edge in bullpens.
    Beckett-Matsuzaka-Schilling remains slightly better than Wang-Pettitte-Clemens, at least based on recent performances — though closer than I would have guessed at the All-Star Break, that’s for sure.

    Paul SF September 16, 2007, 11:48 pm
  • “Given that exact same scenario in an ALCS game, I would put money on Ortiz driving home two runs.”
    Interesting. Putting up a guy who is known for clutchness against the best reliever, no, pitcher in postseason history.
    You could also put money on Mo shutting the door completely, not even getting to Ortiz.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:49 pm
  • Josh SF-
    The same comment about the Soxs not scoring against Clemens, could be said at Shilling. In the first two innings the Yanks hit 38pitches.com pretty hard and came away empty. Given that players fail 3 out of 10 times, even the best lineups can be shutdown on any given night.

    CT_Chris September 16, 2007, 11:49 pm
  • “OK fine, apparently Mariano was as good as he’s ever been. I was wrong to even insinuate that he was struggling a bit.”
    Big difference between “struggling a bit” and “”Overall, he had no clue where his pitches were going.”
    BIG difference.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:49 pm
  • “You could also put money on Mo shutting the door completely, not even getting to Ortiz.”
    That’s where my money goes, and I hope I get the chance make the bet.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:50 pm
  • Yankees motto
    Never Retreat!
    Never surrender!
    This is where we draw the line!

    Hudson September 16, 2007, 11:50 pm
  • “Gagne (the version we’ve seen since he stopped tipping pitches) and Papelbon is better than Chamberlain and Rivera”
    You are actually serious about rather having Gagne than Chamberlain, just for right now? Based on a few 1-2-3 innings from Gagne where the game isn’t on the line?
    That’s a little ridiculous.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:51 pm
  • “Gagne (the version we’ve seen since he stopped tipping pitches)is better than Chamberlain…”
    And just what are you basing that nugget of wisdom on?

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • “Interesting. Putting up a guy who is known for clutchness against the best reliever, no, pitcher in postseason history.”
    Were you by chance in a coma for a few months a few years back? Because you make it sound like it’s never happened before.

    Tyrel SF September 16, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • Paul, Gagne was pretty sharp today in the top of the 9th, but that in no way erases his track record in close games this season from my mind.
    Papelbon is young and Mo is old, but just take a look at how they performed in this series when the game was on the line. (although a 6-out is too much to ask for any closer.)
    Has Buchholz made a relief appearance this season? I’m inclined to hold off any judgment on the guy.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:53 pm
  • “Were you by chance in a coma for a few months a few years back? Because you make it sound like it’s never happened before.”
    Dude, that goes both ways…

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:54 pm
  • Yeah, I can’t feel bad about this game. Sox locked up the division yesterday.
    I call the bullpens a push right now. I can’t count on Okajima. And Gagne might as well be Farnsworth – you can’t pick and choose which games to include. The bottomline right now is that Joba to Mo for three innings is more intimidating than anything the Sox have got. But leading up to that, I give the Sox the edge, barely.
    Beckett solidified his “best of the starters” title. But otherwise, I have to give Pettitte the edge over Dice-K based on their seasons. And Clemens-Schilling is a push as we saw tonight.
    The ALCS would be fantastic.

    Pete September 16, 2007, 11:55 pm
  • “The ALCS would be fantastic.”
    True. Let’s just hope it happens.

    Andrews September 16, 2007, 11:57 pm
  • LOL Pete. That is EXACTLY what it feels like to have Farnsworth. Oh man, you are exactly right.

    doug YF September 16, 2007, 11:57 pm
  • Game scores of Gagne’s last 7 appearances:
    1 to 3 (2 hits)
    1 to 2 (a walk)
    10 to 1 (a hit)
    7 to 1 (a hit)
    16 to 9 (gave up a run on two hits)
    7 to 8 (a hit…this was after the Papelbon BS)
    1 to 4 (finally, a perfect inning)
    So Gagne has not appeared when the game was in any way on the line, and until tonight had not even had a 1-2-3 inning.
    Please retract.

    AndrewYF September 16, 2007, 11:59 pm
  • “Big difference between “struggling a bit” and “”Overall, he had no clue where his pitches were going.”
    Guy, he walked two batters, hit someone, and gave up a double. Look at that line in a vacuum and tell me what you see. I really don’t care how close you think he was to the plate, either; he was wild, and Hinske had a sh*tty ab. That is all I meant. Sorry if my rhetoric was a touch too vehement…
    And by sorry I mean I’m done arguing, because nit-picking over word choice pisses me off far more then this game did. Main point was that Mo was well off his game and Hinske/Coco had miserable ab’s; if you think I’m wrong, well…whatever.
    And on another note…I don’t think both of our teams make it through the first round of the playoffs. No real reason why, and I’m not making any judgment about which one I expect to fail, I just don’t think it’ll happen.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 12:00 am
  • Yah, yah
    Blah, blah, blah, blah, Yanks are great, blah, blah, blah, blah, 4 1/2 games back, blah, blah, blah, Jeter, blah, blah, blah, wish we had those 14 games back, blah, blah, blah.
    I just have one question: Why the FUCK is OJ on ESPN when I don’t know a single damn person who associates him with sports today?
    Dumbass TV

    BostonRAW September 17, 2007, 12:02 am
  • “Were you by chance in a coma for a few months a few years back? Because you make it sound like it’s never happened before.”
    Paul said that because it would be the postseason, Ortiz would have somehow magically performed better. I was saying how it goes both ways.

    AndrewYF September 17, 2007, 12:03 am
  • Josh, you’re just repeating yourself. Take it easy bro.

    doug YF September 17, 2007, 12:03 am
  • Yeah, I am…because I don’t know how to make myself any clearer…

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 12:04 am
  • As for Buchholz, I honestly wonder if he’ll be used again this season. He’s right at his innings limit and of any game to use him, tonight was it. They might throw him here or there down the stretch and that will tell me if they’re planning on using him in October.
    Anyone get news on Youk?

    Pete September 17, 2007, 12:05 am
  • I thought they’d save Buchholz for a game where the starter goes out early and they need a long-man. Maybe if Wake gets hammered in Toronto tomorrow we’ll see him again.
    Part of me does wonder what’ll happen if he pitches well out of the bullpen down the stretch but still reaches his innings limit. I mean can 10-15 more innings in the playoffs really hurt that much if you coddle him properly? (Ditto the Yankee kids, too)
    Boston.com says Youk’s just very sore. I don’t think we’ll see him for a few days still.

    Josh SF (D1) September 17, 2007, 12:09 am
  • “Guy, he walked two batters, hit someone, and gave up a double. Look at that line in a vacuum and tell me what you see. I really don’t care how close you think he was to the plate, either; he was wild”
    Guy, then you need to say what you mean, not something that’s not true. I agree that Mo was off his game a bit, but look at the ab’s: both walks happened on 3-2 counts, Ellsbury got hit with a sharp breaking cutter he couldn’t get out of the way of, and the double wasn’t a bad pitch – he reached down and got it. Mo’s control was not what it usually is, but he certainly knew where his pitches were going – that’s not wild.

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:11 am
  • “…because I don’t know how to make myself any clearer…”
    And I don’t know how to make myself any clearer: you’re wrong.

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:14 am
  • Hey, he was just exaggerating a bit (which I think he’s already said). It was an off-the-cuff remark. Of course Rivera wasn’t throwing inside but ending up outside. He was missing his spots for sure, but not by feet.

    AndrewYF September 17, 2007, 12:16 am
  • IMHO using Buck in a game where the starter gets bounced would be a terrible waste of his innings. He should be coming in in close and early situations, like Friday or tonight.
    Honestly I would worry about 10-15 more innings for Buck, especially in October. High pressure situations is more likely to lead to over extending. Neither Hughes or Joba seem close to their innings limits – the former from being converted early and the latter from being hurt.
    Thanks on Youk – I’m praying it’s not the hamate and the team is keeping it quiet.

    Pete September 17, 2007, 12:18 am
  • Seems like you can pick when a pitcher has made a definite adjustment at a particular point in time, and has pitched dramatically better since then.
    Chamberlain > Gagne
    Papelbon > Rivera
    Closer > Set-up
    Thus: Gagne-Papelbon > Chamberlain-Rivera. Also, Buchholz, who was dominant in long relief in his last (admittedly only such) appearance, Tavarez, Snyder, Timlin, et al. I would say are better than the Yanks’ counterparts. There’s not really anyone beyond Chamberlain who’s intimidating to me. But then again, Timlin and Snyder probably aren’t that intimidating to the Yankees, either.
    Basically, this series was what we’ll see in the playoffs, and it was Beckett and Matsuzaka beating Pettitte and Wang, with Clemens beating Schilling. With the exception of Beckett over Wang, the other games were very close, so it’s definitely a close call as to which top three overall is better. I’d still take Schilling over Clemens, particuarly after another month of starts, and I’d obviously take Beckett over Wang.
    Yanks definitely have the edge in lineup and bench — which is funny because the Sox’ bench looked to be a great strength when the season opened. Just goes to show.
    So the teams are very evenly matched. I would give the Sox the slight edge in pitching, the Yanks the edge in hitting. In other words: Exactly what the situation was in 2004.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:18 am
  • “Hey, he was just exaggerating a bit”
    OK, fair enough, but usually when someone exaggerates on this site, they get shot down, no?

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:19 am
  • the double wasn’t a bad pitch – he reached down and got it.
    FWIW, Lugo hammered a letter-high fastball for the double. Not a good pitch.
    Josh was clearly exaggerating in the heat of the moment. Why jump all over it? His point was valid: Hinske should not have been swinging at two straight pitches when everyone else was able to take Rivera deep into the count.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:21 am
  • I can’t bellieve a supposed gang of sports affectionados does not care that OJ is now dominanting the ‘sports’ scene.
    I need to go puke.

    BostonRAW September 17, 2007, 12:22 am
  • Last time I checked, O.J. Simpson is a Hall-of-Famer, thus making him of some importance in the sports world. I can’t belive you still come here since you obviously don’t like us so much.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:25 am
  • “Exactly what the situation was in 2004.”
    In 2004, you had two starters, Schilling, and Pedro, capable of dominating; and Wakefield, who more often than not, gave the yanks fits. Timlin and Embree were solid, and Foulke was dominant. We had Moose, Jon Lieber, Javier Vasquez and Kevin Brown. Quantrill was shot, and Gordon was wearing down.
    Sorry, this is not exactly like 2004.

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:25 am
  • “Basically, this series was what we’ll see in the playoffs”
    And the previous series was just a couple throw-away games, right? I’d say Beckett dominating the Yankees is the exception rather than the rule at this point, since he hadn’t had a good start against them since I don’t know when. Certainly not this year, even when he’d been dominant all year. Ditto with Matsuzaka holding the Yankee offense down, even over 5.2.
    Meanwhile, Pettitte and Wang, before this series, had done excellently against the Red Sox all season long, struggle.
    I think there’s a lot to show that this series was less indicative than the last series was. You can’t just throw away the sweep when contemplating a possible ALCS matchup.

    AndrewYF September 17, 2007, 12:26 am
  • “FWIW, Lugo hammered a letter-high fastball for the double. Not a good pitch”
    Sorry, my bad, but it wasn’t letter high – according to the Fox graphic, it was a fastball well above the strike zone that Lugo got on top of.

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:27 am
  • I must amend, Wang was not exactly dominant against the Sox this season barring the 7-inning outing he had last time. But this start was clearly the worst start he had against the Sox this year, and barring the 8-run catastrophe, the worst start he had all year.

    AndrewYF September 17, 2007, 12:31 am
  • “Why jump all over it? His point was valid: Hinske should not have been swinging at two straight pitches when everyone else was able to take Rivera deep into the count.”
    Why jump all over it? Because it was not only inaccurate, but somewhat insulting.
    Hinske, a LH, swung at two straight cutters inside, a very hard pitch for lefties to lay off of. Two other guys took Rivera deep into the count, for sure, but as we all saw, it wasn’t like Rivera was missing by a lot. Seems to me he had at least one of the guys he walked down 1-2; he definitely wasn’t wild.
    I’m sure you would just let a similar point about Paplebon go, if you thought it was BS, Paul. C’mon.

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:34 am
  • “[Rivera] certainly knew where his pitches were going”
    West?
    Our bench isn’t as bad as it seems though. When Manny comes back, we’ll have either Coco or Ellsbury will be ready to steal a base a la Roberts, both Ellsbury and Kielty are capable of solid ABs, Hinske could be worse, and Cora is steady as they come in the field.
    Cash/Belli aren’t exactly fear inducing at the plate, but then neither is Molina.

    Tyrel SF September 17, 2007, 12:35 am
  • “Seems like you can pick when a pitcher has made a definite adjustment at a particular point in time, and has pitched dramatically better since then.”
    I disagree mightily on this point. There is absolutely no way, objectively, to pick that “point” especially for relief pitchers. And the big difference for me in the bullpen is the Yankee duo goes three innings. To cover the same ground, the Sox have to either extend Paps or throw Oki. I don’t like either option.
    Also, disagree on 2004. Pedro and Schilling presented a combo that made me believe even when we were down 0-3. This year it’s not close to being the same, both because Beckett isn’t as good as either and because the #2 is even further away.
    Worse, the Yanks have better pitching than 2004, especially if they don’t throw Mussina in a Game 4.
    The Yankees scare me. I think they have the better team (and they’ve played like it – the last two series and the second half). To me, that’s the similarity to 2004. Then I thought the Sox had the better team but wound up with the WC.

    Pete September 17, 2007, 12:38 am
  • “West?”
    I’ll take “West” over out of the park, a la Okajima, anyday.
    And, I’ll take a tough save over Paplebon’s implosion in this series anyday, too.

    Andrews September 17, 2007, 12:40 am
  • God, watching Paul go into rationalization mode after these series losses has to be the most satisfying thing about baseball to me these days. I know it’s base, and I’m not proud…but man, watching you squirm and try to put this weak spin on losing a series, both losses heart breakers, it’s like Christmas morning but better! “This game didn’t bother me, not sure why.” I love that one so, so, so much… And tell us again how the Sox plating a run was somehow sending a “see you in October” message. Classic! I think I’m addicted, Paul. It’s just such a pure type of satisfaction, watching a completely biased, cocky guy have to prove to a forum of strangers that he wasn’t bothered. Please, never ever stop!

    jm September 17, 2007, 12:41 am
  • Pettitte and Wang, before this series, had done excellently against the Red Sox all season long
    You caught yourself with Wang, but he only has two quality starts in five starts against Boston this season. Pettitte does have three quality starts — but that’s over six games. So I don’t know that any starters have performed consistently excellently against either of our teams. Each side has beat up the oher side, and each side seems to be making adjustments from series to series. So it’s really too close to call — but I’ll still take Beckett and Schilling over Wang and Clemens come October. I won’t be looking forward to it, though.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:43 am
  • “I’ll take “West” over out of the park, a la Okajima, anyday.”
    That would be East, and I prefer West myself, at least when our guys are on the mound.

    Tyrel SF September 17, 2007, 12:48 am
  • Pedro and Schilling presented a combo that made me believe even when we were down 0-3
    Really, so you belived in Schilling, who it wasn’t clear he could even pitch again, after Game 3? I doubt that.
    Also, Gagne struggles. Fixes problem, says he was tipping pitches, returns and gives up just one run in next 10 appearances. Why does that difference hold no meaning? Statistically, I agree, you shouldn’t arbitrarily pick and choose what games to use, but stats do not exist in a vacuum. Gagne has done nothing since changing his delivery to show that he’s anything but the pitcher the Sox believed they acquired.
    Now, there is a good point to be made about the type of situations Gagne has appeared in (I forget who made it up there). Hopefully, we’ll learn more on that in the next 10 games.
    Also, the Yankees used Chamberlain and Rivera for three innings, true. But now they can’t use Chamberlain for two games. Unless they revise the rules in the high-stress playoff situations, they could lose the war in their effort to win the battle if they push Chamberlain to two or three innings. It seems you need your ace relievers to go every day, if need be, in the playoffs.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 12:50 am
  • The other problem with the pitching matchups is the Yankees may juggle things to give Wang starts at the Stadium.
    Yeah, I did feel good about 2004. I’m not saying I thought they’d come back, but the thought did occur to me that it was possible – during Game 4.
    And if you’re going to call Gagne “fixed”, YF’s can legitimately claim the same of Farnsworth.
    Off days make the Joba-Mo combo available for the majority of games. And I expect the two days rule will be relaxed.
    I would have loved to see Buck got 1 innings stints. But because they aren’t giving him them, I don’t see him available for October. Hopefully I’m wrong.

    Pete September 17, 2007, 12:57 am
  • Friday, October 12, 2007 ALCS Game #1 TBD
    Saturday, October 13, 2007 ALCS Game #2 TBD
    Monday, October 15, 2007 ALCS Game #3 TBD
    Tuesday, October 16, 2007 ALCS Game #4 TBD
    Thursday, October 18, 2007 ALCS Game #5 TBD (*If Necessary)
    Saturday, October 20, 2007 ALCS Game #6 TBD (*If Necessary)
    Sunday, October 21, 2007 ALCS Game #7 TBD (*If Necessary)
    Three days off.

    Pete September 17, 2007, 1:00 am
  • I do wonder what the plans are for Buck. I expect he’ll start Wednesday in place of Matsuzaka, but after that, it seems they have to use him in October. But maybe not.
    YF’s can legitimately claim the same of Farnsworth.
    Maybe they can. Has he done work in side sessions and made a noticeable change to his delivery to fix a distinct problem that was causing his problems? I don’t know because I don’t follow them as closely, but if his better performance can be traced to a concrete change, it’s not illegitimate to use that change as a starting point.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 1:03 am
  • So if it’s Sox-Yanks and Chamberlain comes in relief of Wang and pitches three innings, he’s out the next two games.
    I expect they’d relax the rules, too, but I’d be curious how Torre manages the pen knowing that if he uses Chamberlain tonight, he can’t use him tomorrow night. But what if the Yankees wind up needing him more tomorrow night?
    And what if the games go extras like Games 4-5 did in 2004? Does Chamberlain sit while Torre burns down the pen? A lot of questions that I’m glad the Sox don’t have to answer, but that I could see becoming problems in a long, tightly played series.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 1:07 am
  • You’d think if Buck was going to contribute in the post-season, they’d be prepping him now, no? What’s the point of using him as a long man? If they used him as a sixth or seventh inning guy, that easily gives them the edge.
    The reliever turning the corner logic I just have a hard time buying. The samples are too small. And if Gagne gags one more time, what’s that say? The results are just too tenuous to conclude anything for my taste.

    Pete September 17, 2007, 1:11 am
  • They won’t pitch Chamberlain three innings. I think it’s more the number of pitches. I could see them breaking the rules to allow one inning each in back-to-back nights or three innings in two nights. But then I’d expect them to try it in the next two weeks. If not, maybe they go one night on, one night off regardless of the number of pitches?
    But yeah, I think Torre’s bullpen management is worrisome for them. It will certainly be a storyline to follow.

    Pete September 17, 2007, 1:16 am
  • Yeah, not using him in 10 days doesn’t bode well. I’d rather him in that 6th/7th role with Gagne in the eighth and Paps closing. But I imagine they’d want to avoid such a high-stress scenario on his arm.
    Still, it is just a month, and isn’t it all about winning the ring?

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 1:17 am
  • Right, exactly. But I can see where they’re coming from. An arm injury to him would be devastating.
    It could be that they’re giving him a few weeks off then will try him for a few one-inning stints the last week. He was at 119 innings last year and sits at 143 this year. I’ve seen that recommendations are no more than a 20% increase year to year. But that puts him right at the limit. So either he’s finished or they’re saving 8 to 10 more innings. That would be perfect for 11 October wins. :) Soon enough…

    Anonymous September 17, 2007, 1:27 am
  • Anyone know what Papelbon’s save percentage vs. the Yankees is?

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 2:00 am
  • Whoa. Over 800 posts on this thread alone.
    Can’t wait to see how many there are when the Red Sox meet the Yankees again … in the ALCS.

    SoxFan September 17, 2007, 3:57 am
  • Paul (SF) writes: “Papelbon > Rivera”
    Please explain how you’ve judged this. I believe Rivera’s career save-conversion percentatge vs. Boston (the worst of any team he has faced, probably because he has faced them more than anyone) are around 75%.
    Papelbon, with the benefit of fewer appearance against the Yankees batters, has faced NY a total of 15 times I believe. Off the top of my head I remember 3 blown saves (two Jeter hits in the only two games where Papelbon came in in the eighth, last August and last night) and the A-Rod 9th inning HR this year. I don’t recall any others, but that works out to, at best, an 80% save rate for Papelbon and not nearly the track record/experience in high-pressure situations including the post-season. I will take Mariano over Papelbon any day if you are looking at matchups. If you are looking at long-term prospects, of course JP is the better choice since he is so much younger, but that’s not the point of gauging relative strength this year and for this October.
    And based on current performance, there is no bullpen presence for the Sox that comes close to Joba or even all that close to Vizcaino the way he has pitched since June.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 9:56 am
  • IH – I think that ARod HR came in a tied game – not tecnically a blown save.

    Lar September 17, 2007, 10:34 am
  • Lar: Fair enough. Larger point I was trying to make is simply who has the edge. At worst (from a YF perspective) I’d say it’s a push. I think it is a stretch to give JP the edge over Mariano. I assume SFs disagree.

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 10:39 am
  • Paul: Farnsworth, now that he’s getting more off days, has been pitching… pretty freaking good. I’m not gonna lie. He’s throwing shutout innings all over the place.

    doug YF September 17, 2007, 10:53 am
  • IH, Schilling gave up the homer last night, not Papelbon.
    I’m just saying that I think Papelbon is the surer bet than Rivera at this stage in their respective careers. Feel free to disagree, as I’m sure we’re each predisposed to the players we’ve seen come through for us time and again.
    In 15 games (16 innings, no starts, 12 games finished) against NY, Papelbon is 0-2 with a 2.25 ERA and four saves. Three of those saves came this year, with one blown save (3.86 ERA in seven games). So he has four saves, two blown in two years with Boston against New York.
    In 83 games (90.2 innings, no starts, 71 games finished) against BOS, Rivera is 10-6 with 40 saves. This year, though, he has a 6.75 ERA against Boston in nine games. Still has five saves though to the one blown save and the 0-1 record.

    Paul SF September 17, 2007, 11:29 am
  • Paul: Of course Schilling gave up the HR. I really must reduce my Monday morning crack-intake. Thanks for the correction…

    IronHorse (yf) September 17, 2007, 11:31 am

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