Wrapping Up That Rumor

David Ortiz, in an excellent Globe story on Sammy Sosa, on whether he (Ortiz) uses steroids:

People will say they’ll get you big, they’ll get you strong, they’ll make you rich, but personally I think it’s a terrible decision," he said, "because life continues after baseball. What if right after you retire, your body breaks down and you have to spend two years in bed and then die? How was everything you did to make money, how was it worth it? So your family could look at you as a superhero, and you left a ton of money for them?

I was talking to my son this morning. He kept saying, ‘Daddy, I love you, I miss you, when are you coming home, Daddy?’

You know what that tells you? They care more about me being with them than what I can give them. They’re not asking me, ‘Hey Daddy, are you going to bring me something? No, they’re saying, ‘Daddy, we love you, we miss you.’ That’s a quick example to me of why it’s not worth it, man.

Is there any reason not to love what he brings to baseball?

57 comments… add one

  • He’s a living god, not the god, but a god.
    Countdown to a Yankee fan saying something regarding Ortiz and possible steroid use, regardless of this quote and what most people think…
    10…9….8……7…..

    LocklandSF April 9, 2007, 1:20 pm
  • Life long Yankee fan with my 2 cents. I have disdain for the RSN, but total respect for the team, especially Ortiz. His tremendous talent is not PED aided.

    Oh Mary Don't You Weep No More April 9, 2007, 1:26 pm
  • I think he’s great. How can you not love that? There.

    wemisspaulieYF April 9, 2007, 1:27 pm
  • is this a rumor? I guess I was dimly aware of it. I guess the unfortunate thing is that every person who played baseball these last few years is a possible formed steroid-user (even you, David Eckstein!) and an accusation will never be able to be disproved even by a nice and well-articulated denial such as the one above.

    Nick-YF April 9, 2007, 1:30 pm
  • formed=former
    ughh

    Nick-YF April 9, 2007, 1:31 pm
  • Dustin Pedroia, DEFINITE roid/HGH monster! I mean, just last year he was 5’8-1/2″, now he’s 5’9″… How much more obvious can it get?

    Hudson April 9, 2007, 1:36 pm
  • Wow! What an original and thought provoking example! He truly is an angel descended upon earth. So Paul, while you have your head up there, is Ortiz’s ass as roomy as it looks?

    jm April 9, 2007, 1:58 pm
  • I’m not trying to say I believe Ortiz uses, but that quote only proves that he’s much smarter than Palmeiro, Sosa, Bonds, et al – nothing more.

    Andrews April 9, 2007, 2:08 pm
  • Why are we supposed to think fans of other teams should look at Papi as a god? If he’d stop hitting 9th inning home runs against us, and agree to never again talk trash about the pinstriped heroes — maybe.

    john April 9, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • Yeah, that’s a great quote. I have utmost respect for Ortiz (rivaled only by my hatred for him when he kills the Yanks!), he really seems like one of the good guys. Whether he speaks truth or not, I don’t know and frankly, don’t care.

    yankeemonkey April 9, 2007, 2:12 pm
  • John, you’re such a Playa Hatah!

    SF April 9, 2007, 2:14 pm
  • I certainly hope Ortiz does not use performance-enhancing substances. I don’t THINK so, but we’ll probably never know.
    John, at least it’s only a recent development. I’ve been hearing about the miracle that is Jeter for at least 8 years now.

    Devine April 9, 2007, 2:26 pm
  • Heh, too true. And at least we don’t have to hear about how spectacular Ortiz is with the glove, despite the fact that the two players have roughly the same defensive range. ;)

    desturbd1 April 9, 2007, 2:31 pm
  • I’ve never seriously considered the possibility the Papi used PEDs. He’s strong as a bull, sure, but I don’t associate his body type with roids.

    Tyrel SF April 9, 2007, 2:36 pm
  • “Countdown to a Yankee fan saying something regarding Ortiz and possible steroid use, regardless of this quote and what most people think…”
    That’s just a dumb generalization.
    Anyway, I have to say as a Yankee fan I dislike Papi the player a great deal because of who he plays for. But as a baseball fan, this guy is flat out what the game is all about. He was an ok player that worked his behind off to become an excellent player and when given the opportunity he proved he’s the goods. His excitement is something I admire. He is like a kid playing the game and I think that’s great.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 9, 2007, 2:38 pm
  • > Is there any reason not to love what he brings to baseball?
    Cake.

    attackgerbil April 9, 2007, 2:50 pm
  • Great video, gerbil. I was at Game 4 – I’m still hoarse.

    Tyrel SF April 9, 2007, 2:58 pm
  • Sorry SF, but I don’t hate Papi, or love him — as you know.
    This is the second post in which an SF blog captain has suggested we should all be happy that such wonderful (Sox) players are walking the earth. We’re still waiting for the one in which one of you says we should all be happy that Mo or Bernie is with us.
    What have Mo and Bernie ever done except play the game with love, given their all, and provided all Yankee fans with many wonderful moments? I’ve never heard them criticize the Sox or Sox players, as Papi has in the other direction.
    So where’s the love SFs?

    john April 9, 2007, 3:28 pm
  • So, SF’s are supposed to be posting glowing stories about Yankee players? You should be nagging YF and Gerb, if that’s your beef. So far, I’ve never seen anyone on this site speak negatively of either of those particular players.
    PS: Bernie’s no longer with you.

    desturbd1 April 9, 2007, 3:37 pm
  • *I* think we should be happy Mo and Bernie (and Jeter *sigh*) are with us. They represent the game well and are good at their jobs (though I don’t think much of Jeter’s soundbites…they are generally tactful and bland…I know, that’s part of why he’s so awesome or something). I can be happy they exist, though frustrated when they do their job properly against the Sox.

    Devine April 9, 2007, 3:40 pm
  • This rivalry would be no fun if the Yanks were a bunch of chumps. I remember the eighties and early nineties very well, and there was no rivalry to speak of, just generalized resentment that I did not yet understand.
    So, if for nothing else other than the sake of the rivalry, I’m glad we all have Jeter, Arod, Mo, etc. to cheer or boo, depending on how they do on that particular play.

    Tyrel SF April 9, 2007, 3:48 pm
  • no disturbed, sfs might realize that we don’t all look at the world through redsox colored glasses — or might realize that telling yfs how they should think isn’t very likely to bear fruit
    sf and paul sf have both said everyone should love certain sox players, but don’t extend the same feeling to yankee players
    i’m not saying sf should love mo, but the same logic that says we all, yankee fans and sox fans alike, should love papi, says that we all should love bernie and mo
    the fact that bernie has retired is all the more reason to show him the love, and makes it all the easier for sfs to say so
    btw, even if sf does love mo, that doesn’t mean i have to love papi — i’d have to think about my favorite player not on the yanks, but it wouldn’t be papi

    john April 9, 2007, 3:49 pm
  • I have the utmost respect for Mariano Rivera. The man is the greatest closer of all time as of this moment. Maybe, hopefully, Papelbon can eclipse that but that is a very long road ahead. His skill at the game can not, and should not, ever be forgotten. I am unaware of much about his personality so I can’t comment there.
    That enough for you john?

    Dionysus April 9, 2007, 3:55 pm
  • john- mo got a standing ovation opening day 05′ at fenway. sox fans rose from their seats to show their appreciation.

    sf rod April 9, 2007, 4:00 pm
  • > john- mo got a standing ovation opening day 05′ at fenway. sox fans rose from their seats to show their appreciation.
    Ouch. I had forgotten about that. Good one, sf rod.

    attackgerbil April 9, 2007, 4:12 pm
  • sf and paul sf have both said everyone should love certain sox players, but don’t extend the same feeling to yankee players
    Where did I ever say this?

    SF April 9, 2007, 4:13 pm
  • sf rod and gerb: I’m almost certain that was half-sarcastic because he blew those big games that allowed the Sox to win.
    The real credit to Mo in that situation was how he handled it. He was laughing and waving to the crowd, acknowledging it all. Mo’s one of the greats, whether you’re talking about Mo the closer or Mo the human being.

    QuoSF April 9, 2007, 4:14 pm
  • sf rod – that’s after you beat him – but good on sox fans, as they say in australia
    there are national baseball heros, but they don’t come along very often. mark fidrych is an example, and he was a long time ago. mark mcgwire might have been one before the steroid scandals, but i don’t think so. maybe ichiro?
    then you get 15 minute national heros in some of the world series. but papi is a sox hero, not a national hero. i’m not even sure paul sf wasn’t pulling our leg.
    all kidding aside, this isn’t a yfsf thing – i don’t cubs or chisox fans, or oakland fans or diamondback fans, look on papi as a national hero.
    do they admire his hitting? sure. he’s an incredible hitter.

    john April 9, 2007, 4:14 pm
  • SF – in your dice-k post about how we should all feel good about dice-k in spring training.

    john April 9, 2007, 4:15 pm
  • QuoSF: I know it was sarcastic that’s why I said ouch; I’m guessing sf rod had a smirk on his face when he typed it as well.
    Good point about Mo; I seem to remember him smiling and tipping his cap.

    attackgerbil April 9, 2007, 4:17 pm
  • For the record, I think I have consistently stated how much I liked and respected Bernie as a player, the same with Mo (is calling him the “best ever” and a “total class act” enough?), and also have basically been in awe of how well Joe Torre handles his job, generally speaking. I have also been a big supporter of A-Rod over the last 18 months, to be truthful, in opposition to many other SFs around the universe.
    I think John is stirring a pot with nothing in it, frankly.

    SF April 9, 2007, 4:18 pm
  • gerb: I missed a few words and didn’t grasp that you and sf rod were on the same page already. Both comments read differently, guess I need to read more carefully.
    And yeah, he definitely enjoyed it, knew it was somewhat at his expense, and still was quite classy about it.

    QuoSF April 9, 2007, 4:19 pm
  • Let me add that this isn’t like talking about world peace. Enjoy Papi, sox fans.

    john April 9, 2007, 4:21 pm
  • Quo SF – of course, Mo’s a god. :-)

    john April 9, 2007, 4:22 pm
  • SF – in your dice-k post about how we should all feel good about dice-k in spring training.
    Yes, because this was about the idea of baseball romanticism, and the viewing of a player becoming a kind of legend in real time. I wasn’t asking everyone to be a Red Sox fan, but simply to embrace the beauty of the arrival of a kind of mythical figure. This was about baseball, not about the uniform.
    Man, you’re a cynic.

    SF April 9, 2007, 4:23 pm
  • there are national baseball heros, but they don’t come along very often. mark fidrych is an example, and he was a long time ago. mark mcgwire might have been one before the steroid scandals, but i don’t think so. maybe ichiro?
    Exactly, John, which is why your adamant denial of the beauty of Dice-K’s arrival and all the fabulism surrounding his persona seems so, well, lame. He’s exactly what you describe, a national hero who is in the process of becoming, potentially, an international one.

    SF April 9, 2007, 4:26 pm
  • I’m really confused and no idea what John is talking about, but, what ever…
    As for that MO moment, that was classic, his reaction was priceless and I almost feel out of my chair laughing.

    LocklandSF April 9, 2007, 4:26 pm
  • Thanks for making my point, SF, that you’re not seeing the difference between whom the (RS) Nation loves and whom the nation loves.
    Papi’s a Red Sox hero, not a national hero. Dice-K’s a Red Sox hero, not a national hero (except in Japan). He may become a national hero here, but he has the handicap of not speaking English.
    Cynicism had nothing to do with my Dice-K comments. At the time, it was early spring training, and you had just complained about praise in the press for a Yankee rookie. It’s called “a double standard.”

    john April 9, 2007, 4:40 pm
  • Wow John, that’s what SF was saying, that Matsuzaka is a national hero in Japan, not in the US.
    Also, I think you would find that Papi has a much bigger fan base than just RSN, not a national hero, but he’s loved far and wide and not just by Red Sox fans.

    LocklandSF April 9, 2007, 4:45 pm
  • i’m a little surprised yf’s haven’t needled his ungodlike .217 start….i really wonder what twins fans feel for papi? does it burn to see him do well, or does his “good guy” character override the burn? i still look at marlins box scores every nite to see what hanely did.

    sf rod April 9, 2007, 4:49 pm
  • So in which part of “Is there any reason not to love what he brings to baseball?” did I call Papi a god, say others should view him as a god, or that everyone involved with baseball should worship him as a national hero?
    The YF overreaction to this post is stunning — and telling, I might add.

    Paul SF April 9, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • Is there any reason not to love what he brings to baseball?
    Yeah, this is SUCH a controversial statement by Paul. Where did Paul say anything about Papi being a national or international hero?! I think some of our YF posters are extending Paul’s comment into some sort of requirement that they become members of RSN or something else unimaginable. I seriously doubt this is what Paul was asking of everyone here.
    That being said, the bottom line is that if you find it difficult to appreciate Papi’s attitude towards the game, then there’s definitely something dark within your soul. I can’t imagine preferring to root for someone like Kenny Rogers over Mariano Rivera, or Barry Bonds over Big Papi.
    As for John’s accusation of a “double standard”, that’s wrong and hypersimplistic. It misses the point. With a kid like Hughes, a phenomenal prospect, you have a typical wunderkind – hyped, deserving of that hype, someone who brings great hope to a specific fan base. With Matsuzaka there was another level entirely of both hype and “fable”, a layered story very different from the Hughes buildup. They (Hughes and Matsuzaka) aren’t the same.

    SF April 9, 2007, 4:56 pm
  • As far as I can see, there are two YFs posters who took umbrage with the tone of this post. Most didn’t. I don’t think the YF reaction to this is telling or stunning.

    Nick-YF April 9, 2007, 5:03 pm
  • Agreed, Nick. That being said, Paul’s post is really not very controversial, and it was hyperbolized incorrectly by a couple of commenters.
    That’s nothing out of the ordinary for this site and for both sets of fans on occasion, though.

    SF April 9, 2007, 5:07 pm
  • Please read all Yankee fans posts, John is really the only one that doesn’t agree with the theme of the thread. Don’t lump, that’s what starts fueds.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 9, 2007, 5:12 pm
  • Also, commenter JM (who doesn’t identify his allegiance) does imply that Paul has his noggin somewhere in the vicinity of Papi’s sphincter, don’t forget. Odds are he’s not a Sox fan.

    SF April 9, 2007, 5:14 pm
  • I counted 2.

    Nick-YF April 9, 2007, 5:15 pm
  • OK Nick 2, but the “Regular” level headed Yankee fan/Baseball fan doesn’t not disagree that Papi is a definite positive for the game we love. That’s all I am saying.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 9, 2007, 5:18 pm
  • My point as well, Trisk.

    Nick-YF April 9, 2007, 5:22 pm
  • or I should qualify that. I don’t think level-headed Yanks fans have to like Ortiz. Sometimes you don’t like players for whatever reason. He has a winning smile and seems like fun, but that might not appeal to your sensibilities. Mariano might not appeal either. You might think he looks like a fruit bat and has strange evil dark powers and are creeped out by him.

    Nick-YF April 9, 2007, 5:24 pm
  • I love the fact that he plays the game like he’s 17. As Yankee fans we don’t see that much. Our team is run very much like a business, not that there is anything wrong with that, but we really don’t see that other then Damon and Melky. Don’t get me wrong, when he is hitting I boo him like he’s Satan, but deep down I know what he brings to the game and what he means to the DR and to RSN.

    Triskaidekaphobia April 9, 2007, 5:27 pm
  • “You might think he looks like a fruit bat…”
    My pet name for him is Shrek or Big Sloppy. I like Shrek because it’s more civil. What’s unfortunate about that is my Bulldog’s name is Shrek….darn it!

    Triskaidekaphobia April 9, 2007, 5:28 pm
  • let me start out by saying i loved big papi before he became big papi…[i may have bored you guys before with this story, but here it is again]…some of my best summer-time moments with my kids was going to “rock cat” games in new britain connecticut with my son and daughter…it was a brand spanking new ballpark with no bad seats, a cheap night out for dad and kids, and a great twins minor league team…most of those guys became major leaguers, including papi…i loved those times with my kids, and guys like papi were a big part of it…even then he was bigger than life….anyway, i want to say i hope it isn’t so papi…he’s such a sweet, gentle, giant…it can’t be so…that’s why i choose not to believe it…he was strong back then guys…super-strong…he could hit the ball a mile into the night…i want to believe that his increased production came from a better batting eye, more experience, major league coaching, and other factors…i envy the sox fans…papi is a real hero in my eyes…

    dc April 9, 2007, 5:32 pm
  • I retract my incorrect generalization of the YF reaction. I was wrong to do that. Nevertheless, it is frustrating to post something that is fairly inocuous, presumably not controversial, and then have it jumped all over like I just said David Ortiz should be elected president with Curt Schilling as his veep.

    Paul SF April 9, 2007, 5:50 pm
  • David Ortiz should be elected president with Curt Schilling as his veep.
    Best idea, EVER.

    SF April 9, 2007, 5:52 pm
  • Anytime a thread goes on and on (57 comments) between Yankee and Red Sox fans, there’s plenty of room for hyperbola and misunderstanding. But if we go back to the beginning, it really is not that hard to understand that Yankee fans and Sox fans might have divergent viewpoints on how much we should all love what Papi brings to baseball.
    And Paul, I didn’t “jump all over” your comment. I did disagree with some of the Sox fans, including the first comment, by a Sox fan (but again, “disagree” didn’t mean a Jihad).
    And then, we got back to the ever-present, Does SF have a double standard? On that, of course, there is no debate. But that’s not saying he’s a bad person, just a Sox fan.

    john April 10, 2007, 12:13 am
  • Anytime a thread goes on and on (57 comments) between Yankee and Red Sox fans, there’s plenty of room for hyperbola and misunderstanding. But if we go back to the beginning, it really is not that hard to understand that Yankee fans and Sox fans might have divergent viewpoints on how much we should all love what Papi brings to baseball.
    And Paul, I didn’t “jump all over” your comment. I did disagree with some of the Sox fans, including the first comment, by a Sox fan (but again, “disagree” didn’t mean a Jihad).
    And then, we got back to the ever-present, Does SF have a double standard? On that, of course, there is no debate. But that’s not saying he’s a bad person, just a Sox fan.

    john April 10, 2007, 12:18 am

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