Yankees Pick Up Abreu Option

Bobby Abreu will be patrolling right field at The Stadium in 2008, as the Yankees picked up his $16M option for next year.  ht: waswatching.com

Ken Davidoff tries to answer the question of whether or not there is a Posada-Girardi rift.  Short answer: no.  Bill Madden and Mark Feinsand report that Omar Minaya would really, really like to land Posada.

Buster Olney reports that the Yankees and Rodriguez were not that far apart in what they were to offer vs. what he was expecting: the club was only a bit over $100 Meeleeon Dollars light.

Meanwhile, the Toledo Mud Hens are reportedly interested in ARod after Hank Steinbrenner’s query if the all-world player wanted to go into the HOF as a member of Corporal Max Klinger’s favorite 9.  ht: Atheose

Bob Raissman writes about Michael Kay, who said, "Joe Torre is for Joe Torre … The graveyard of Yankees coaches is loaded with bones of coaches Joe Torre did nothing about."

27 comments… add one
  • 350 mil? Is he serious?

    Lar November 2, 2007, 2:23 pm
  • Is it just me or does the Yankees/A-Rod story sound like a Boras plant? $350 million? Over 10 years that’s $35 million a year. Over eight years it’s close to $44 million per year.
    I wouldn’t put it beyond Boras to have a hand in this. This way he can make it seem like Alex is ‘settling’ for a 10yr/$300 million deal when that’s all he’s offered (but wanted in the first place).

    Jay-YF November 2, 2007, 2:24 pm
  • honestly i think that is what boras is gonna be targeting. 10/350 was the figure i expected him to go for and maybe get when i heard about his FA. i think he will get close to that…

    Sam-YF November 2, 2007, 2:33 pm
  • Attackgerbal, thanks for the props with regards to the Mudhens offer! ;-)
    Interesting that they picked up Abreu’s option. The longer and longer Posada remains unsigned the more likely I think he goes to another team.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 2:45 pm
  • 75 HR is way too conservative for the incentive clause from the ‘Hens. They should have stuck to 100 HR or no dice. Again, Boras gets his way.

    FenSheaParkway November 2, 2007, 2:49 pm
  • I am starting to buy into the following theory:
    Prop 1. The team that is willing to pay A-Rod’s enormously fat salary is the team that, as a result, will not be able to afford top-notch pitching, which is increasingly prohibitively expensive.
    Prop 2. The team that does not have top-notch pitching is the team that will have trouble getting out of the first round of the playoffs.
    Prop 3. Only a handful of teams (including chief among them the NYY) can afford and (in the past anyway) have been willing to pay for top-notch pitching PLUS A-Rod-type salaries.
    Prop 4. Ergo, by leaving the Yankees while simultaneously upping his salary demands even higher, A-Rod has significantly reduced his chances of ever getting out of the first round of the playoffs again.
    It is not just that he is a cooler on the field and clubhouse. He is a cooler on the wallets of owners who would otherwise bring in the other parts of what is required to go deep into October.
    NY’s pitching woes were less about money than about poorly spent money (Kei, Pavano, Brown, Farnsworth, etc.), which is getting turned around just now, when A-Rod decides to go for more money from team X. No matter who team X turns out to be, it will certainly mean less money for every other prospective player on that team, (esp. expensive items like strong starting pitching), than NY would have spent on their non-A-Rod parts.
    From A-Rod’s 1994-2000 years with the Mariners, they were able to hold onto Randy Johnson (until 1999) but little else. They had RJ together with Jamie Moyer from ’96-’99 – their best shot.
    In his 2001-2004 years with Texas there was no starting pitching to speak of, unless you want to count one mediocre/goodish year from Kenny Rogers.
    I am pretty happy to see him go, but from his stated perspective of so wanting to win a World Series, his insistence to make a salary that is so extraordinarily higher than any salary ever paid to anyone else in the history of the game will increasingly work directly against that goal and it’s BS for him to pretend he doesn’t know that.
    And on this point, let’s get something straight because I am tired of hearing it as an argument:
    No, not everyone goes for the largest possible salary they can get. I know several people who have turend down higher paying jobs to do what they are doing now because of a million reasons (better colleagues, more meaningful work, better location, better family-situation, better benefits, better for future career prospects, etc, etc,) and each of these considerations has its correrlary in decisions athletes make about where they want to play and how much they can get paid. I turned down significantly more salary-wise in a competing offer to do what I am doing now and it is not because I am a saint. There were other reasons I prefered to take the job I have.
    SFs know that Wakefield could have been paid more than he made for years. Everyone knows – as has been debated this past week on talk radio – that Tim Duncan could have held out for significantly more than he just got from San Antonio, etc, etc.
    Is it a sin to go after the highest paycheck? No. And that’s not what I am saying. But neither is it a foregone conclusion that this is what everyone should or even would do. And most of all, if you say taht what you most want is to win a World Series, and yet you also want to break the bank with your salary, you are being either self-deceptive or disingenuous. A-Rod has shown plenty of history of both.
    It’s like me saying I want what’s best for my family, and then taking a job that pays much more than another well-paying job, but that will split my family apart geographically. My rhetoric and the reality of my actions just wouldn’t match.
    And this isn’t about A-Rod alone. It’s for all who, in debating athlete salaries, throw out the argument: Well come one, EVERYONE would go for the higher salary and don’t act like you wouldn’t. Well there are plenty of people who don’t.

    IronHorse (yf) November 2, 2007, 3:06 pm
  • Breaking: At 9AM (Pacific time) Rodriguez’s management was grabbing an early brunch with friends, one person in the party being an undisclosed high ranking MLB official, in Los Angeles. At this brunch terms of Rodriguez’s soon to be signed “5 year contract” we’re discussed in detail.
    Not sure if this is just rumour mill, but there you go..

    Lar November 2, 2007, 3:14 pm
  • Excellent Godzilla-post, IH. Good examples with Wakefield and Duncan, even though I despise the Spurs.
    The fact that ARod’s enormous salary will poison any team who plans on winning a Championship makes me smile. Unless of course he goes to Boston, where they both can afford him and already have strong pitching.
    It’s not a sin to go after the highest paycheck, but when you are ALREADY the highest paid player in the history of professional sports (not just baseball) then it’s definitely greedy.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 3:14 pm
  • Now that I think about it, it’s probably not true, since the Yanks have a 15 day window or something, right? They’re not going to use it, but it’s still there.
    I wouldn’t say it makes him greedy, it’s just his choice. For me, and I suspect a lot of people, even say, 10 mil would be enough for me. But it’s an ego thing too when you get there, so it’s hard to say.
    But the marginal utility is obviously very little..

    Lar November 2, 2007, 3:17 pm
  • Where’d you hear that, Lar? There’s no way ARod signs a 5-year contract. I think the primary reason he opted-out was to get locked into a contract that would keep him making top-dollar when he’s well-past his prime.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 3:20 pm
  • I wouldn’t say it makes him greedy, it’s just his choice.
    It may be my oppinion, but I feel that when you’re already the highest-paid player in the history of organized sports and you opt out in order to make MORE money, it’s greed.
    Though Boras is probably mostly to blame. The man is a swindler if I’ve ever seen one.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 3:22 pm
  • listen i hate boras as much as the next person but nobody can fault players for trying to make the most money. Why should they not be able to get the amount that the market allows? if they dont the money goes where? the owners pockets! The superduper rich get even richer. The guys on the field providing the entertainment should get whatever teams will pay them. Yes its an honor to play baseball but most of them work very hard at what they do and should be compensated for such.

    sam-YF November 2, 2007, 3:25 pm
  • if they dont the money goes where? the owners pockets!
    As IH said above in his Godzilla-post, ARod’s contract will keep an organization from being able to afford other high-profile players. If they don’t sign him, the money goes to a number of other players, making the team more balanced overall.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 3:27 pm
  • For instance, if ARod signs a deal where he makes 35 mil a year, you could afford both Derek Jeter (20mil) and David Ortiz (13mil), with money leftover.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 3:31 pm
  • atheose, thats fine but not the way contracts for services rendered work in 99% of situations. If you were are freelance consultant, you wouldnt take a less lucrative contract so the company you were consulting for could keep their bottom line up. A team makes a choice to give a large contract, if its gonna hurt them thats a bad decision on their part but it certainly isnt the fault of the player who recieves the contract. Nobody is putting a gun to the owner’s head saying sign this contract. They do so with a business model in mind. Look at the sox persuing DiceK for example…

    sam-YF November 2, 2007, 3:32 pm
  • You’re right, no one is forcing the owners to sign ARod. But considering that ARod was already far-and-away the highest paid player in the history of sports, and he opted out to make MORE money, I believe that makes him greedy.
    A month ago, when the Yankees clinched the Wildcard, ARod said that he did not want to leave New York because it felt like home. Then he went in the opposite direction and opted out in order to make more money. Giving up your stated values (friendship, family, happiness) in order to make an outrageous amount of money is the very definition of greed.

    Atheose November 2, 2007, 3:41 pm
  • For the record, I never called A-Rod greedy and didn’t even fault him for prioritizing money above all other things. I just said that he is much more interested in making the most money than in winning a world series and his pretending otherwise makes him disingenuous or self-deceptive – maybe greedy too but I didn’t use that term.
    We all knew that he cared more about the money when he took the Texas deal, but many thought the team failures there taught him something about the importance of actually being in contention. And that’s why he said he went to NY. His current moves tell me that his calculus has not changed at all – he only wants to make money and if a WS might fall in his lap in the meantime, that would be nice, but if faced with making more than anyone ever has and having an excellent chance at winning a WS, or making even more than that and significantly hurting or placing in jeopardy his WS chances, he will choose the latter every time.
    And Sam, is Duncan dumb for choosing to make less than the maximum, simultaneously helping the Spurs afford mroe complimentary parts around him to keep their dynasty going? Let’s remember, we are not talking about deciding between a good salary and volunteer work. We are talking about the difference between the most anyone gets paid anywhere and the most anyone gets paid anywhere plus a hell of a lot more. If that’s all you care about, that’s OK. But don’t then come to me with “I just want to win a WS”.

    IronHorse (yf) November 2, 2007, 4:02 pm
  • Perfectly said, IH. I couldn’t agree with you more.

    Jackie (SF) November 2, 2007, 6:36 pm
  • there are plenty of reasons to criticize michael kay, but raissman’s article is just retarded. “Any stabbing was done behind Torre’s back.” you mean his radio show? none of this is revelation. he’s been saying these things about torre for years.

    edgar November 2, 2007, 9:54 pm
  • IH-
    I understand the point but at the same time its kind of hard to compare the NBA and the MLB due to the salary cap in the former. In baseball all of the economics are so foggy its hard to really understand whats going on. A team could say hey A-Rod take less cash and we’ll sign some more players around you and then turn around and not do so. Other teams cry poverty when they have tons of money that they dont spend. For example, the Marlins had the highest profit of any MLB team last season!
    Clearly, a player could and maybe should take less to sign more players around him and thats all fine and good in an idealized world but when it comes down to it players getting the most the market will bear is no different than how the vast majority of people would act. I dont think its fair to expect sports stars to act any differently than anyone else, this is a captitalist society after all.

    Anonymous November 2, 2007, 10:06 pm
  • that was me. I dont understand why typekey doesnt put my name in when im logged in.

    sam-YF November 2, 2007, 10:08 pm
  • A-Rod negotiated an opt-out clause for a specific reason: so he could opt out. It should not be shocking that he did this. He negotiated the right to shop his services around, and that he has chosen that should be no strike against him.
    Where I have a problem is with athletes who make public pronouncements about their loyalty, their desires, statements which invariably trap them into looking like fools. Personally, I’d prefer they just be quiet. On the other hand, if A-Rod had not pronounced his devotion to New York one can imagine the firestorm about how “A-Rod can’t wait to leave”. Truly, he could not win in this situation. The timing of his announcement was of questionable taste, but that shouldn’t blind us to the fact that A-Rod had every right to do what he did; don’t think for a second that Ownership, in general, would much rather that Rodriguez have almost none of the rights as a worker that he was smart enough to negotiate into his contract.

    SF November 2, 2007, 10:18 pm
  • Sam, I think your point re: the salary cap in the NBA is very true.
    I think your other point re: how the vast majority of people act is more questionable. I think the vast majority of people think about all kinds of things when they are thinking about job options – again, we have to compare similar things, so we’d not be talking about someone just scrapping for one job at a time, or even someone who is applying. We are talking rather about people who, like a top pro-athlete, have multiple openings, recruitiing firms proactively contacgin them, etc. – in other words, people who have several options, all of which would pay very well (or, in A-Rod’s current case, all of which will pay him more than any other athlete in the world since that was what he was already making when he decided he needed to make substantially more). People in those positions definitely do not go after the biggest buck all the time, and even hen they do, I can live with that as long as they don’t feed me BS about more publicly acceptable reasoning being the driving force behind their decisions when in the end, they are really only about the money.
    Wakefield, being in baseball, is in my view one relevant example. He certainly could have made more but had other things he valued more than the extra money he could have squeezed out of Boston or some other team. And he was/is making an infinitessimal percentage of what A-Rod makes.

    IronHorse (yf) November 2, 2007, 10:22 pm
  • SF, speaking for myself only, and for the third or fourth time here, I have no issue with opting out or going for the largest buck. I don’t count it as a strike against him. But it shows me that his talk about learning from the Texas experience that what he really wants is to win a championship is just not true. It’s a distant second to making the absolute maximum amount of money he can make.

    IronHorse (yf) November 2, 2007, 10:25 pm
  • IH:
    I don’t disagree, necessarily. Just making a general comment.
    Mostly, I just wish these guys wouldn’t talk so much about how they love a city, how they can’t imagine themselves anywhere else, but that’s also not very realistic. If they talked less they might open themselves up to criticism, but at least they wouldn’t come off as such utter hypocrites and/or phoneys.

    SF November 2, 2007, 10:29 pm
  • Im in full agreement there too. The level of BS and hypocricy that A-Rod achieved this year reached new levels. My posts above werent really to defend him but more to discuss the rights of free agents in the MLB. Its not worth my time or effort to defend him!

    sam-YF November 2, 2007, 10:40 pm
  • Okay, the standard Santayana quote: “Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”
    Why has A-Rod learned nothing from his Texas experience? In order to leave Texas he agreed to take less money from Boston. MLB wouldn’t allow that, and he ended up with the Yankees with Texas paying more to New York instead of A-Rod taking less from Boston.
    If he goes to Anaheim, I don’t see that he’ll have better than John Henry’s 12.5% chance to win the WS in the near future. Only Boston gives him a much better chance, and that’s in the short term. In the long term his contract would be an albatross around their necks, unless he agrees to take far less than he’s currently saying.

    john November 3, 2007, 10:03 am

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