Yanks-Jays II: the Nooner

It’s an early start for the Bombers, who try to get the thoughts of an old, decrepit, pitch-tipping Randy Johnson out of their heads.  Today their other old top-of-the-rotation guy takes the hill.  It’s a mid-day Moose alert, so consider this your thread for today’s game.

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  • Everyone was trashing the ESPN power rankings a few days ago – sports illustrated’s rankings are a bit more, well, accurate:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/john_donovan/04/17/power.rankings/index.html
    Go Jays!

    rk April 19, 2006, 12:43 pm
  • anyone out there watching this game? If so, what’s happening. My gamechannel thing just went down

    NickYF April 19, 2006, 12:57 pm
  • First inning, Sheffield singled and arod walked, but Giambi grounded out. Moose pitched a 1-2-3 bottom frame.
    Matsui grounded out to start the second, and Posada is 3-2 right now (according to my mlb gamecast).

    rk April 19, 2006, 12:59 pm
  • Posada struck out, cano grounded out his first pitch to end the second inning.

    rk April 19, 2006, 1:00 pm
  • Bottom of the second, Moose struck out Glaus and Overbay (overbay on three called strikes).
    Hillenbrand just singled though.

    rk April 19, 2006, 1:07 pm
  • Zaun grounded out. Inning over

    RichYF April 19, 2006, 1:08 pm
  • Bases loaded, Giambi up. Two outs . . .

    rk April 19, 2006, 1:19 pm
  • why do that double steal? Doesn’t that take the bat out of A-Rod’s hands, and put Giambi up there against a lefty?

    NickYF April 19, 2006, 1:19 pm
  • Loaded

    RichYF April 19, 2006, 1:36 pm
  • Sweet squander by Captain Perfect

    mp April 19, 2006, 1:42 pm
  • Moose pitching beautifully. Yanks have left the sacks loaded twice so far, and obviously got screwed on that call at second when the Jay’s player never had control of the ball on the forceout to end the inning.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 1:56 pm
  • ARod, laser to left. 1-0 Yanks.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 1:58 pm
  • Just tuning in now. Business this morning. For the record: A-Rod homer that breaks a 0-0 tie in the 5th? Clutch. Or if not clutch, more valuable than many a “clutch” hit, statistically.

    YF April 19, 2006, 2:03 pm
  • 5 walks by lilly and it’s still a 1-0 game. this is not the lilly the sox saw last week.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 2:04 pm
  • Just tuning in now. Business this morning. For the record: A-Rod homer that breaks a 0-0 tie in the 5th? Clutch. Or if not clutch, more valuable than many a “clutch” hit, statistically.

    YF April 19, 2006, 2:04 pm
  • a-rod couldn’t find clutch if his head was glued to the gas pedal.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 2:07 pm
  • so, in other words, sf-rod, that was not a clutch hit by A-Rod. Why not?

    NickYF April 19, 2006, 2:09 pm
  • 5th inning. bluejays. game 14 of the season.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 2:11 pm
  • Looks like the Yanks caught a break on that rundown play with the run scoring, or not, before Posada was tagged out, but we’ll take it. 2-0 into the sixth.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 2:15 pm
  • i guess posadas run down was clutch too.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 2:18 pm
  • I wonder what the new starting points were for the clutch debate which was kind of re-opened by Bill James a couple of years ago. Basically, he said his original claims (that clutch hitters didn’t exist) were based on flawed data. I wonder how difficult it is to actually define what a clutch moment is.

    NickYF April 19, 2006, 2:20 pm
  • Nick,
    Sox fans are envious because the Yanks best player, ARod, is a 5-tool guy who won the MVP last year, while the Sox best player, Ortiz, is a great hitter, but after that, is quite similar to a Diet Pepsi machine.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 2:24 pm
  • what about his sixth tool….grounding out in key spots.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 2:27 pm
  • Yeah, I personally hate having a dude around the club house who everyone rallies around. It sucks.

    Jeremiah April 19, 2006, 2:27 pm
  • beer
    trying to avoid the flame war.
    beer is good. discuss…

    NickYF April 19, 2006, 2:32 pm
  • Sox fans are envious because the Yanks best player, ARod, is a 5-tool guy who won the MVP last year, while the Sox best player, Ortiz, is a great hitter, but after that, is quite similar to a Diet Pepsi machine
    I assume this is a joke, WE? A-Rod’s a great player, the best in all of baseball, but we’re envious because we have Big Papi instead? This makes no sense at all.

    SF April 19, 2006, 2:33 pm
  • I’ve actually found discussing beer can get as divisive as Sox-Yanks. That said, I like beer.

    Jeremiah April 19, 2006, 2:33 pm
  • Moose picks up the lousy play in the outfield. 2-1, Yanks.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 2:35 pm
  • Having an extremely windy day here in Northern Iowa, just had a power outage and lost the computer and television, along with everything else. I’ll get to you in a sec, SF. How’d the Yanks score their third run?

    whatever April 19, 2006, 2:59 pm
  • rbi single by Posada

    NickYF April 19, 2006, 3:01 pm
  • I’ll pre-empt, WE, with a counter-question. Why would we be envious of A-Rod because we only have Big Papi? Wouldn’t your theory make more sense if you observed that the Sox have never really found a long-term shortstop solution since the failed A-Rod deal? And even if you posed such a question, wouldn’t it all be rendered moot by the fact that the Red Sox won the World Series with a stopgap shortstop and without A-Rod? And that without Papi they never would have won a thing?
    We’ve been through this a million times here, but I’ll reiterate: we rag on A-Rod for a few reasons. First, he’s great, and like most great players he becomes a lightning rod for commentary. Second, he’s a serial narcissist, which facilitates the latter part of the previous sentence. Third, he plays for the Yankees. This is the crux of the matter: if he still played for the Mariners neither of us would probably comment on him very much. Envy has nothing to do it, as hard as that might be to believe.

    SF April 19, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • “Sox fans are envious because the Yanks best player, ARod, is a 5-tool guy who won the MVP last year, while the Sox best player, Ortiz, is a great hitter, but after that, is quite similar to a Diet Pepsi machine.”
    Still laughing at this one.

    NYYFan in Boston April 19, 2006, 3:17 pm
  • More power problems. I figure the power will go out again with the game on the line.
    SF, I’m SURE your happy with Big Papi. I simply said he’s not the all around guy that Alex is.
    Maybe Sox fans are a little defensive about Ortiz being a DH (as to why he wasn’t named the MVP last year), perhaps in the same way that Yank fans may be a little defensive about ARod not being clutch?
    By the way, thanks for giving ARod his due.
    And for what it’s worth, the last guy I want to see coming to the plate with the game on the line is Ortiz.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 3:21 pm
  • Nice job by Farns.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 3:24 pm
  • Yeah it’s the worst thing in the entire world that we only have the AL MVP runner up. That’s why we hate Alex Rodriguez.
    (Yes, I know, Rodriguez is a better player, but that’s so silly.)
    SF is right. It’s just plain Yankees hatred, which you guys should be accustomed to. You could put the Pope in pinstripes, and even he would probably be booed at Fenway.

    Hunter April 19, 2006, 3:26 pm
  • I simply said he’s not the all around guy that Alex is.
    Duh! Of course he’s not. No argument. Neither is Albert Pujols, and Albert Pujols is awesome. A-Rod is the best player in all of baseball. Done.
    I don’t want this to devolve, because it doesn’t sound like we really disagree about the players’ qualities, but you didn’t just say what you say you said. You said we were envious of A-Rod. I, for one, am not the slightest bit envious that you have A-Rod and we don’t. Not one iota. Never will be. Ever. I can thank 2004 for that.

    SF April 19, 2006, 3:28 pm
  • Duh? Are you saying I’m stupid SF? Are you trying to piss me off?
    And don’t you wish just a little bit that Ortiz was out on the field contributing instead of making early raids on the buffet table between at bats?

    whatever April 19, 2006, 3:34 pm
  • No, I am not calling you stupid at all, WE, I am just trying to clarify my position in relation to what you stated, which had to do with our supposed envy of A-Rod.
    And no, I don’t really care whether or not Ortiz plays the field. He doesn’t have to play the field. He does what does spectacularly. I honestly can’t get why this is so strange to you.

    SF April 19, 2006, 3:43 pm
  • Mo back to being Mo, thank god.

    bloodyank78 April 19, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • No, because, given a choice between having arod or papi at the plate with the game on the line, we’d choose papi. He can do whatever he likes between at-bats.
    Plus, Papi wears diamonds, he doesn’t wear blueberry chapstick.
    By the way, congrats to the Yanks for their first win without having to score a bazillion runs. And back to .500!

    rk April 19, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • i don’t want to start the DH debate, but simply put, it’s a postion. it takes a unique skill set as does every postion within the diamond. deal with it.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 3:51 pm
  • throw an “i” in those positions.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 3:54 pm
  • Not to repeat myself, but I don’t think there’s any question that A-Rod is a better player than Ortiz. He plays the field, he hits, he runs, he’s the best player in baseball, bar none. But that’s not what I am responding to here. I am responding to WE’s charge that us Red Sox fans are somehow envious of the fact that the Yankees have Rodriguez and we only have Papi. I, personally am not envious (that doesn’t mean there aren’t Sox fans out there who are, I just don’t know any of them). I simply don’t understand on what basis we would be envious, since Papi is such a spectacular player, leader, and helped win us a World Championship. I just don’t get the charge. I don’t want this to devolve into Papi-ARod flamethrowing, since that’s a pretty low-grade conversation. I urge Sox fans not to turn this into a “let’s crap on A-Rod” thread.

    SF April 19, 2006, 4:01 pm
  • Your a fact-twister extraordinairre, SF. You’d be a natural on the Fox News Channel.
    Go re-read my post. Did I say Sox fans were envious of ARod? Did I say that?
    Or did I say you were envious because your best guy is a DH and the Yank’ best guy is a complete player? You say your not? OK, fine.
    The thing is SF, this is another example of someone posting something you, as a sox fan don’t like, so you attack it, as usual, with a parcing of words, a twisting of what was said, and a splitting of hairs.
    And of course, put a few words in my mouth too. Who said I found the DH strange? I happen to like the DH, while a lot of people don’t.
    And since were on the DH subject, think about this. If Ortiz plays any position on the field, even a slow, clumsy first base, he probably wins the MVP last year. So if you wouldn’t have liked to see Ortiz win the MVP last year, and are just fine he’s a DH, well fine and dandy. Just keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, ” No soup for you!” Or MVP Awards for Ortiz either.

    whatever April 19, 2006, 4:35 pm
  • remember when yank fan only cared about ring count?
    papi – 1
    a-rod – 0
    no soup for the axel rod. but i’m sure that MVP plaque is real special.

    sf rod April 19, 2006, 4:41 pm
  • Oh boy. Back in the day the debate on this site was Jeter-vs-Nomar. Now it’s A-Rod-vs-Papi. Glad we’ve been able to move on.
    One note: I’m gonna have to correct SF, or at least take issue with a point. A-Rod is the best player in the AL. The best player in the NL is Albert Pujols. Which one is the best in the game? I don’t know. I sure like ’em both.

    YF April 19, 2006, 4:59 pm
  • WE, you are being a bit sensitive here, I think. I simply don’t understand why we should be envious of A-Rod, or why you think we are envious of the fact that he plays in the field. Let’s just leave it at the fact that I don’t get your point. I am not twisting what you are saying, I am trying to get to the bottom of what you are saying. I have no interest in this becoming personal.
    And YF, what is the point of “correcting me” when you yourself aren’t even willing to commit to an opinion on the matter? Is this just rhetoric or do you have a more salient point?

    SF April 19, 2006, 5:19 pm
  • The point is that it seems foolish, at least to me, to suggest that there is a player in baseball who is superior to Albert Pujols. And that is what you have done. Though don’t get me wrong; this is no knock on A-Rod. Or Papi, for that matter.

    YF April 19, 2006, 6:01 pm
  • Why “foolish”, and not simply “arguable”? I’m a fool for thinking a guy who runs better and fields a tougher position (and who used to field perhaps the toughest position) and is an otherworldly hitter might be superior to Pujols? Why is that “foolish”?

    SF April 19, 2006, 6:06 pm

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