Yanks-Sox Game I Postmortem: These Kids Can Play

Notes from a long and thoroughly enjoyable evening:

-The Legend of Melky grows. First to home. First to home! LECHE!
-Andy Phillips. Look what you can do with a little PT.
-Speaking of Young Guns, that Youk sure is a keeper.
-Congrats to Moose on another fine game, and especially on catching Jack Morris for #9 on the all-time AL strikeout list.
-Josh Beckett: telegraphing or tipping or just lousy? You make the call.
-Everyone, YFs and SFs alike, gets a bit chippy in a blowout. And close games are better for the comment count.
-Hey. Look at that. Yanks back in first! And they didn’t even need Jeets.

39 comments… add one
  • What is weird is I think that’s Moose’s worst outing of the year. Anyway, a win is a win, and that’s why it was hard for me to pick on Randy on that worst five list a couple of days ago.

    attackgerbil June 5, 2006, 10:55 pm
  • If he’s ever gonna get to 20 wins, looks like this might be the year. If he can hold out health-wise, that is.

    YF June 5, 2006, 10:58 pm
  • Looking at the pitching battles for the rest of the series:
    Pauley vs. Wang, Schilling vs. Wright, Wakefield vs. Johnson.
    Game four of the series is especially interesting to me as far as pitching battles go.

    attackgerbil June 5, 2006, 11:09 pm
  • the rest of the pitching matchups look good for the series…
    but this was supposed to be one of the best, with the pauley game being an iffy start.
    now, once again, we turn our lonely eyes to you mr pauley…stop the pain once more.

    TheTree1918 June 5, 2006, 11:33 pm
  • One good note from this game, having just got back from a wonderful, baseball-free dinner that consisted of the best Italian food I’ve eaten since coming to Texas:
    Sox’ pen: no runs after the FUBAR inning that should have kept five runs off the board. Should be an 8-5 game if the umps hadn’t screwed that up and rattled poor Jermaine Van Buren, who had been rolling right along. I’m amazed that I left in the fifth with the Yanks at 13 runs, and they didn’t score again. Still, Tavarez only keeps teams scoreless when it doesn’t count, it seems. Me no likey.

    Paul SF June 6, 2006, 1:19 am
  • Do all the YFs out there really think at AP can be our first baseman of the future, with Giambi on DH? Don’t get me wrong, I like how looks right now, but surely there’s a reason why he didn’t get to the big leagues until he was almost 30.
    Aren’t we all getting a little carried away?

    Sam June 6, 2006, 9:40 am
  • Sam, don’t forget it’s the Yankees we’re talking about. They haven’t exactly been the best at bringing up young talent from the minors. I think Andy was really good in AAA, he just never had a chance, not in the least because Giambi was signed. I don’t know if he’s the first baseman of the future, if only because he’s almost 30 already…not much of a future left. But I don’t see a problem with letting Giambi DH. Even if Phillips doesn’t hit like he is now, he is miles better defensively than Jason.

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 10:06 am
  • With their other offensive starts, the Yankees can afford to carry a player who’s only decent, and not a detriment. And by saving money at an expensive slot, he adds to what Cash might otherwise be able to spend, and becomes a trade chit himself. It’s all good.

    YF June 6, 2006, 11:14 am
  • Why is it that any time a rookie is playing well it’s immediately “He’ll be good trade bait””? Isn’t it even remotely possible that the better thing to do is to keep the guys we have (who are playing well!) and not trade them off for more overpriced over-the-hill superstars? Is this really most YF’s mentality? Look at Cano; he had a fantastic season and hasn’t slowed down a bit since. Why can’t Andy/Melky/KT/whoever be this year’s Cano?

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 12:03 pm
  • Theres no one saying these three can’t rise to the occasion as Cano, or even Small, did last year. But the three were not expected to be ready now, or even have the value they are showing. They have surprised all of us SFs, and surely surprised all YFs too, but I seem them falling back into the woodwork once the Yankees come back to full health.
    Unless of couse you will take Melky or Kt over Matsui and Sheffield.

    NeffSox June 6, 2006, 12:35 pm
  • NeffSox, unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) Sheff and Matsui very well could be out for the year.

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 12:40 pm
  • Honestly, I might take a combination of Melky and KT over Sheff, provided they continue to produce. It may not be the best option for this season, but definitely better let the kids stick around and get used to playing every day for next year, than to fork over 10 million+ for a 38 year-old oft-injured Sheffield. Don’t get me wrong, I loved having him in the lineup past 2 seasons, but he is getting older and having him in the field is a liability.

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 12:52 pm
  • You do realize Kevin Thompson has had 5 major league at bats, and Cabrera hasn’t even been around for half a season yet. I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions and just toss a proven veteran, possible HOFer, right out the door.

    NeffSox June 6, 2006, 1:00 pm
  • I don’t think it’s an insult to Melky to say that Sheff should start over him. If Matsui and Sheff come back before the season’s end, and Melky is continuing to play like this, he’ll have a role on the team.

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 1:06 pm
  • Melky over Sheff in a heartbeat! Replace a cynical, angry, injury-prone 38 year-old making 13m+ a year (he’ll want a pay rise), with a young, exuberant, enthusiastic and talented home-grown prospect making the league minimum? Yes please!
    That’s the sort of move that will ultimately bring the Yanks a championship again. If nothing else, as YF alluded to above, a lineup that goes Damon, DJ, Giambino, A-Rod, Matsui, Cano, AP, Jorgie and Melky will cut the payroll by about 15m and will free up funds for an ace pitcher. And we’ll have five homegrown players in our lineup, which is always nice.
    Does anyone know what AP and Melky project to hit in the majors based on their minor league careers?

    Sam June 6, 2006, 2:12 pm
  • gosh, it sure didn’t take long for Yanks fans to throw Sheffield under the bus!

    airk June 6, 2006, 3:00 pm
  • Hey, I’m just one YF, the others are defending Sheff. Don’t tar them with my brush.
    I just don’t like his attitude, and think signing a 38 year-old to a 40m+ contract is a mistake.

    Sam June 6, 2006, 3:04 pm
  • I understand the love for Melky. We all love surprises, particularly homegrown and young, enthusiastic surprises. But if Sheff is healthy (a big if), how can he not play? Right now, it’s not at the expense of Melky – won’t he just stick in Matsui’s position until Hideki is healthy? But Sheff gets his spot back from whoever is playing out there, even if he’s only 90%. No-brainer.
    It’s not unlike the Coco Crisp/WMP debate. Pena was the guy to go to the bench, without question, when Crisp came back, even if we liked what we were seeing out of WMP. In this case, the difference is even greater, between Cabrera and Sheffield. I imagine if the Yankees were willing to eat Sheffield’s salary they might be able to move him for something, if they determine that Cabrera is the better option. But if they can’t move him, he’s playing.

    SF June 6, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • Does Sheff have a no-trade? Or did his “agent” neglect to get that included?

    SF June 6, 2006, 3:09 pm
  • Sheffield does not have a no-trade clause.
    Some may remember his less-than-mature reaction to trade rumors last year:
    “I made a lot of concessions to come here. And I’ll make it clear: If I have to go somewhere else, a lot of things are going to have to change. Or else they’re going to have a headache on their hands.”
    “Things are going to have to be changed about my whole situation. Contract. Years. Anything. Other than that, you might not want to trade for me, because you’re going to have a very unhappy player.”

    airk June 6, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • I’m not saying bench Sheff this year in favor of Melky. If he comes back healthy (IF), like SF says it’s a no-brainer that he should play. And yes, Melky isn’t going anywhere until Matsui comes back (another IF for this season). What I meant is taking Melky over Sheff _next_ season. Sheff has a absurdly expensive option, and even if Yankees don’t pick it up, I doubt he’ll take much of a pay cut. It’s not a matter of throwing him under the bus, it’s common sense. If you have a kid who is almost 20 years younger, at a fraction of the cost, who is going to produce on a steady basis, that’s who you should choose. Melky probably won’t hit 40 HRs every year, but he is solid and going to get better.

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 3:19 pm
  • Sheff does not have a no-trade. That’s why the rumors were flying of a Sheff-Cameron trade last year. But Gary enacted his own type of no-trade clause by saying he’d make it very difficult for his new team if were traded.
    Say Matsui and Sheff come back. Melky’s role could still be more-or-less as the everyday right fielder. The Yanks want to get Sheff off the field and into the DH slot.

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 3:20 pm
  • Also, Sheff’s snarkiness nonwithstanding, I doubt anyone will want to trade for a guy who’s been on the DL for much of the season and is a question mark to come back this year at all.

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 3:21 pm
  • Why is there any talk of Melky/Sheff? Cabrera is filling Matsui’s spot and will continue to do so after Sheff’s return. Sheff plays a huge part in the lineup. I know it’s great seeing all this young talent playing extremely well, but don’t have a short memory of the kind of havoc Sheff can spawn on opposing pitching. Last season he had the second highest RISP Avg. in AL, and the guy hardly ever strikes out, usually taking most pitchers deep in counts.
    I big of a SOB Sheff is, I love having him as a Yankee.

    bloodyank78 June 6, 2006, 3:27 pm
  • Hear hear YM. I was talking about next year – Melky’s in LF for the rest of this year. But the Yanks should just let Sheff’s contract run out and say “thank you and goodnight” to him, thereby freeing space for Melky in right.
    Or, in line with what Nick suggests, they could tell Sheff that they’ll resign him for less money to be DH – kind of like Bernie this year, if not quite as cheap.

    Sam June 6, 2006, 3:28 pm
  • Correction: “As big of a SOB”

    bloodyank78 June 6, 2006, 3:29 pm
  • Given that the Tigers have interest in Barry Bonds, then Sheffield would seem an even better DH option. Depending on his health, of course.

    airk June 6, 2006, 3:31 pm
  • BY78 – I love knowing Sheff’s in the lineup too. He’s an SOB, but he’s our SOB.
    But the fact is that he’s said he wants another 3 year contract for similar if not more money, and I think that for his age, attitude and injury record, it’s too much. If he was a perfectly healthy 34 year-old, it’d be a different matter, but he’s not. And thanks to Melky, we have a ready-made replacement.
    So, Cash should tell him to accept the DH and less money or go find another team.

    Sam June 6, 2006, 3:31 pm
  • One problem with having Sheff as DH: we already got one in Giambi. If Sheff is at DH most of the time, that means Giambi will be stuck at 1B. And not only is he a liability over there defensively, but probably more injury-prone if he plays in the field.

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 3:35 pm
  • Sam/YM
    I agree w/you Sam, no way on a 3 year K for Sheff. I would not be oppossed to picking up his option for 2007. That’s what he wants I believe, just one more year in Pinstripes. I could see platooning Sheff in RF w/most of his time a DH, but that doesn’t solve the Giambi DH issue as you brought up YM. I think this will all become more clear by mid-September or so and Melky and Phillips have shown almost a full season of what their capabilities are.

    bloodyank78 June 6, 2006, 3:44 pm
  • Does anyone, even the most cynical Yanks or Sox fan, think that there will be any debate over Melky vs. Sheffield next year if Sheffield will only come back for a three-year deal? Seriously, who could make the case for Sheff under those terms?
    And does anyone honestly think that a team wouldn’t take a modestly healthy Sheffield down the stretch in a pennant race if the Yankees were paying most of his salary and they could get comfortable with his attitude?

    SF June 6, 2006, 3:45 pm
  • “Seriously, who could make the case for Sheff under those terms?”
    Um, a big, bad, crazy ball of lovable nuttiness called George.

    Sam June 6, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • I thought that the Yanks’ pursuit of Brian Giles this off-season signaled that they were seriously thinking of life without Sheff beginning in 2007. We’ll see. If I have the right info, Andruw Jones and Carlos Lee are free agents next year. Maybe the Yanks go after them. Or maybe they let Sheff go, go to war with a lighter hitting outfield and put their money toward signing Zito.

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 3:48 pm
  • Um, a big, bad, crazy ball of lovable nuttiness called George.
    As crazy as he is, I seriously doubt it. Not at Sheff’s age. If I bet I’d be willing to bet there’s not a chance in hell the Yankees offer Sheffield a three year contract. It would cause a mass resignation in the front office, if we all believe the “Cashman is running the place now” myth.

    SF June 6, 2006, 3:52 pm
  • “It would cause a mass resignation in the front office, if we all believe the “Cashman is running the place now” myth.”
    I know you’re poking the hornet’s nest, so it’d be best not to respond, but what makes you think that Cashman isn’t running the personnel decision part of things now? Why is it a myth? Any examples?

    Nick-YF June 6, 2006, 3:55 pm
  • News certain to cause much rejoicing:
    Peter Abraham reports TLong has been DFA-ed after Yanks called up Nick Green as a utility infielder.

    yankeemonkey June 6, 2006, 4:12 pm
  • I know you’re poking the hornet’s nest, so it’d be best not to respond
    Dude, follow your own advice.

    SF June 6, 2006, 4:16 pm
  • If the Yanks got Carlos Lee I would flip. The guy has big time power, good range defensively, decent Avg., etc. I wouldn’t miss Sheff as much if that happened.

    bloodyank78 June 6, 2006, 4:26 pm
  • Rumors swirling on SoSH that Foulke is headed to the DL with back issues and Craig Hansen is on his way to the Bronx for tonight’s game.

    SF June 6, 2006, 5:58 pm

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